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I would give Hopkins a 7 maybe an 8 if he wins his next few fights.

8, he is very smart in the ring. Not the best MW ever but very good. i hope everyone who rates him, gives him lower then they gave RJJ, who completly outboxed him.

Hopkins is a fighter I would give a 7. This is a guy who really was lucky. He never had anything special, and in his 2 biggest victories, knocked out a pair of welterweights. In his biggest test, he failed against Roy Jones Jr. He is not in the class of Roy Jones. He ducked and slipped the punches of Robert Allen, but also ducked and slipped James Toney and a Roy Jones rematch. Going to jail was the best thing that ever happened to him, as he barely missed Iran Barkley, Mike McCallum, Gerald McClellan, and Julian Jackson. All fighters that would've destroyed him.

I for one believe he has done enough in the 160 pd. limit to be rated at the top ten of all time.

Hopkins is a fighter I would give a 7. This is a guy who really was lucky. He never had anything special, and in his 2 biggest victories, knocked out a pair of welterweights. In his biggest test, he failed against Roy Jones Jr. He is not in the class of Roy Jones. He ducked and slipped the punches of Robert Allen, but also ducked and slipped James Toney and a Roy Jones rematch. Going to jail was the best thing that ever happened to him, as he barely missed Iran Barkley, Mike McCallum, Gerald McClellan, and Julian Jackson. All fighters that would've destroyed him.

hum, never really looked at it that way, good post.

hum, never really looked at it that way, good post.
Ask any old school trainer, they'll tell you the same thing. 60/40, who the woof does he think he is?

The Asian Sensation is a little bithc ass ******.

The Asian Sensation is a little bithc ass ******.
You mispelled *****.

Hopkins is a 9 in my opinion..

Hopkins is a 9 in my opinion..
Yeah, I agree. With his ring smarts he's the closest to a 10 now.

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Im sorry but your wrong. This is boxing you dont rule your division for a decade, make 20 title defense and unify all 4 major belts by being "Lucky"

He's as technically as sound as any fighter I have ever seen. He has a great chin, He can fight for foward, going backwards, He can box from the outside just as good as he can fight on the inside.

You want to get dirty he's more than comfortable doing that.

You have to rank him top 5 all time at 160 one of the greatest divisions in the history of the sport.

He may not have fought in the greatest era, but he did fight some good guys. I think its funny people still harp on Felix Trinidad being a Welterweight. Trinidad has had 4 fights at 160 and has looked AMAZING in 3 of them. I'll tell you who doesn't think Tito is small and thats William Joppy and Hassine Cheriffi two legit top 5 guys at 160 when those fights happen.

The second fight with Roy Jones came along because the contract was a joke. It was not just 60/40. It was that Roy wanted everything to come out of Hopkins end aswell. It also had to do with the rematch clause Roy Jones wanted. It stated that if Bernard Hopkins had won the second fight he would recieve no more than 40% for the 3rd fight. Now thats a flat out joke.

He never ducked a rematch with James Toney becuase he never fought him to begin with. Now im sorry, but if you really believe James Toney was going to come down from 190 for that fight you really need to stop buying into internet hype.

Bernard Hopkins would be a heavy favorite over all the guys you listed. No one in the history of boxing "Destroys" Bernard Hopkins he's too good.


Hate him or not Hopkins has all the tools inside the ring.

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Im sorry but your wrong. This is boxing you dont rule your division for a decade, make 20 title defense and unify all 4 major belts by being "Lucky"

He's as technically as sound as any fighter I have ever seen. He has a great chin, He can fight for foward, going backwards, He can box from the outside just as good as he can fight on the inside.

You want to get dirty he's more than comfortable doing that.

You have to rank him top 5 all time at 160 one of the greatest divisions in the history of the sport.

He may not have fought in the greatest era, but he did fight some good guys. I think its funny people still harp on Felix Trinidad being a Welterweight. Trinidad has had 4 fights at 160 and has looked AMAZING in 3 of them. I'll tell you who doesn't think Tito is small and thats William Joppy and Hassine Cheriffi two legit top 5 guys at 160 when those fights happen.

The second fight with Roy Jones came along because the contract was a joke. It was not just 60/40. It was that Roy wanted everything to come out of Hopkins end aswell. It also had to do with the rematch clause Roy Jones wanted. It stated that if Bernard Hopkins had won the second fight he would recieve no more than 40% for the 3rd fight. Now thats a flat out joke.

He never ducked a rematch with James Toney becuase he never fought him to begin with. Now im sorry, but if you really believe James Toney was going to come down from 190 for that fight you really need to stop buying into internet hype.

Bernard Hopkins would be a heavy favorite over all the guys you listed. No one in the history of boxing "Destroys" Bernard Hopkins he's too good.


Hate him or not Hopkins has all the tools inside the ring.
Good post. I would give him 9. dont think that he can beat SRR but he has 50-50 chances against Hagler imo. And no way any middleweight in history will destroy him.

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Im sorry but your wrong. This is boxing you dont rule your division for a decade, make 20 title defense and unify all 4 major belts by being "Lucky"

He's as technically as sound as any fighter I have ever seen. He has a great chin, He can fight for foward, going backwards, He can box from the outside just as good as he can fight on the inside.

You want to get dirty he's more than comfortable doing that.

You have to rank him top 5 all time at 160 one of the greatest divisions in the history of the sport.

He may not have fought in the greatest era, but he did fight some good guys. I think its funny people still harp on Felix Trinidad being a Welterweight. Trinidad has had 4 fights at 160 and has looked AMAZING in 3 of them. I'll tell you who doesn't think Tito is small and thats William Joppy and Hassine Cheriffi two legit top 5 guys at 160 when those fights happen.

The second fight with Roy Jones came along because the contract was a joke. It was not just 60/40. It was that Roy wanted everything to come out of Hopkins end aswell. It also had to do with the rematch clause Roy Jones wanted. It stated that if Bernard Hopkins had won the second fight he would recieve no more than 40% for the 3rd fight. Now thats a flat out joke.

He never ducked a rematch with James Toney becuase he never fought him to begin with. Now im sorry, but if you really believe James Toney was going to come down from 190 for that fight you really need to stop buying into internet hype.

Bernard Hopkins would be a heavy favorite over all the guys you listed. No one in the history of boxing "Destroys" Bernard Hopkins he's too good.


Hate him or not Hopkins has all the tools inside the ring.

That post is Karma-worthy..

I would give him a solid 10. I agree with Jose on this one.

I give him a 8, he did brake a record, but he has never proven himself to be rated any higher, 9-10 is reserved for Roy Jones Jr type fighters who push themselfs to the limit.

Everybody wants to hate on Bernard Hopkins but he is the best out there. He is also a damn good fighter who can do just about anything in the ring. I have made it known in the past that Tito is my favorite fighter but I don't see how anybody can discredit Bernard's win over Tito by saying he was a natural welterweight moving up. Tito was never a natural welterweight and anybody who has followed his career knows Tito always struggled to make the welterweight limit. That doesn't sound like a natural welterweight to me.

I give him a 8, he did brake a record, but he has never proven himself to be rated any higher, 9-10 is reserved for Roy Jones Jr type fighters who push themselfs to the limit.

Huh? :confused:

Do you mean RJJ pushed himslef to the limit by fighting Tarver or GJ?

8...good boxing skills, but boring as hell...Can't sell a PPV unless the opponent is a superstar...much like Winky...

let see what happens if he fight Tito again... ;)

Roy Jones did alot of thing, but one thing he NEVER did was push himself to the limit.

Roy Jones did alot of thing, but one thing he NEVER did was push himself to the limit.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001758
His record is 3 times better than Hopkins
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001414

I would give Hopkins a 7 maybe an 8 if he wins his next few fights.

I second that opinion Mayweather!!

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001758
His record is 3 times better than Hopkins
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=001414


If you dont know boxing then you think its great. He avoided pretty much all top competion thought out his career.

He never fought all the guys at 160. Julian Jackson Roy was his #1 contender and turned down the opertunity to fight Jackson, Gerald McLellan who beat Roy in the ams, Mike McCallum(choosing to wait till McCallum was well over the hill) or Micheal Nunn. Some p4p guys but he chose to fight Hopkins who AT THE TIME was a complete unknown.

Plenty of good competion at 160, but he chose to fight guys like Fermin Chirinos, Danny Garcia and Thomas Tate.

168 he never fought Liles who KO'ed Roy in the ams, He never fought Nigel Benn or Eubank either.

plenty of good competion at 168, but he chose to fight guys like Merqui Sosa, Eric Lucas and Bryant Brannon

He fought in one of the weakest era's in the history of 175 and still never fought the guy who was thought to be the second best Lightheavyweight during his reign DM. DM also never lost his WBA and IBF belts in the ring.

There are just no excuses for some of the guys Roy Jones chose to fight at 175. He ought to be ashamed of himself Lou Del Valle, Otis Grant, Richard Frazier, David Telesco, Richard Hall, Derrick Harmon, Glen Kelly and Clinton Woods.

Called Jirov out then when Jirov accepted Roy backed out of the fight.

He screamed bloody murder for a fight at heavy then pulled out of the Buster Douglas fight claiming "His family feared for his life"

When he did move up to heavy he found the worst heavyweight he could find beat him then called out every heavyweight on the planet. Priced himself out of the Lewis fight claiming he wanted 100 million plus knowing damn well no figter will ever get anything close to that.

He spent years making fun of the WBO for having DM as there champion, but when Corrie Sanders wanted a fight Roy Claimed he would not fight Sanders without the WBO belt being on the line cause thats the belt he wanted. The WBO told Sanders he would be stripped if he went along with a Roy fight. Roy pulled out of that fight.

As far as Roy Jones moving up to heavy and beating Ruiz. Is there any doubt that James Toney would not beat Ruiz also? Toney would be at least a 2-1 favorite.

Roy Jones had a good win 11 years ago and has feasted on bums ever since.

Larry Merchant once called Roy Jones contract "The Contract from hell" because when they gave it to Roy they had a term that let him pick his own opponents.

Listen all you can find out all need to know about Roy Jones career by listen to "Ya'll Musta Forgot" You know your level of opposition has sucked when your forced to brag about beating David Telesco.

Jose-Roy Jones had a good win 11 years ago and has feasted on bums ever since?

What did Hopkins do after he lost 11 years ago?

Jose-Roy Jones had a good win 11 years ago and has feasted on bums ever since?

What did Hopkins do after he lost 11 years ago?

The question was did Roy Jones push himself to the limit? and the answer is no and I just gave you a ton of exapmles why not who fought who or when they fought.

The question was did Roy Jones push himself to the limit? and the answer is no and I just gave you a ton of exapmles why not who fought who or when they fought.You cant go bigger than Heaveyweight

You cant go bigger than Heaveyweight


But you could get a hell of alot better than Jon Ruiz.

Jose-Roy Jones had a good win 11 years ago and has feasted on bums ever since?

What did Hopkins do after he lost 11 years ago?

What has Hopkins done? Lets take a look.

He beat Antwun Echols twice, once with a dislocated shoulder.

Keith Holmes, when Holmes was considered good.

Felix Trinidad.......totally outclassed him.

Beat Allen twice....made it look easy.

KOed Oscar De La Hoya, he never had a chance.

Oh, and he Koed some guy named Glen Johnson, I think Roy Jones knows this guy somehow.

10, There's not too many boxers today that can do what he does...he simply gets the job done period. Jones, De la hoya and Tyson were crushed by there own greatness. Hopkins consistence and ability to win in a variety of ways has set the stage for him to retire as one of the greats, not as one whom fell from grace...

He is not a ten until he beats a real good middleweight. He is not a 10. ALi is a ten.

He is a 9! He Is the present pound for pound Kimg fair paly. It isn`t that he lost to Roy Jones, it is because he never Re - matched Jones when i think the chance was open to him. He was differcult with money because he beat Trinidad but Jones held the win over him previously!
A strong 9 but a 9 non the less. A 10 is when you beat all competition, not defeat everyone but defeat them, Jones was the true competition and he lost to him. That is why he is a 9. If Jones defeats Johnson/Tarver for lightheavy recongition and then like a jeff lacy? He could scrap a 10!

I`m sorry,. i meant if HOPKINS DEFEAT JOHNSON/TARVER AND JEFF LACY, ROY JONES IS DONE!

IMO Roy beats them all, Benn, G-man and Eubanks. But then again that's why fights are fought. Your a little harsh on Roy, the guy was great no doubt, such a great athlete.

Hopkins is a great fighter but never beat anybody great that was a true Middleweight.. The title defenses shows that he was no pushover. However, Hopkins never has moved up in weight to seek a challege, a serious threat. Something that Roy has done.

Very true, great point. Hopkins biggest wins were against blown up welters. Trinidad should have been a light middle, he was too small for Hop and De La Hoya......???well, Oscar did fight better than Trinidad did, i think he just had a beat more want and will for it!

hopkins is a 9 i dont think any current boxer could beat him

I gotta go with a 9 for Hopkins. I also remember so many people talking about Trinidad was gonna KO Hopkins, but when the opposite happens its because Trinidad isn't a true middleweight.

i give hopkins a 9 3/4!!!! when you have to fight the politics of boxing, as well as negotiate your contract, and fight your opponent in the ring.and then stay focused enough to win all those fights within the last 11 going on 12 years.... he deserves no less then a 9. plus staying in shape, out of the ring and staying disciplined the whole time. thats good **** right there. not to forget that he is a student of the game, he is a boxing fan. he knows what is going on with boxing, and with his trainer they come up with sick ass fight plans.

the man has many different gears and knows when to shift.
he does have 2 losses,so,he can't get a 10, but no one should if they have a loss........

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Im sorry but your wrong. This is boxing you dont rule your division for a decade, make 20 title defense and unify all 4 major belts by being "Lucky"

He's as technically as sound as any fighter I have ever seen. He has a great chin, He can fight for foward, going backwards, He can box from the outside just as good as he can fight on the inside.

You want to get dirty he's more than comfortable doing that.

You have to rank him top 5 all time at 160 one of the greatest divisions in the history of the sport.

He may not have fought in the greatest era, but he did fight some good guys. I think its funny people still harp on Felix Trinidad being a Welterweight. Trinidad has had 4 fights at 160 and has looked AMAZING in 3 of them. I'll tell you who doesn't think Tito is small and thats William Joppy and Hassine Cheriffi two legit top 5 guys at 160 when those fights happen.

The second fight with Roy Jones came along because the contract was a joke. It was not just 60/40. It was that Roy wanted everything to come out of Hopkins end aswell. It also had to do with the rematch clause Roy Jones wanted. It stated that if Bernard Hopkins had won the second fight he would recieve no more than 40% for the 3rd fight. Now thats a flat out joke.

He never ducked a rematch with James Toney becuase he never fought him to begin with. Now im sorry, but if you really believe James Toney was going to come down from 190 for that fight you really need to stop buying into internet hype.

Bernard Hopkins would be a heavy favorite over all the guys you listed. No one in the history of boxing "Destroys" Bernard Hopkins he's too good.


Hate him or not Hopkins has all the tools inside the ring.
Another fine post from Jose!
Anybody that blames Nard for there not being a rematch with Roid just needs to get a "Nuthugger" tattoo on their forehead. When Roy didn't want to fight, he made outlandish demands. It was his M.O. He even did it in the negotiations with Ruiz. I used to have an avatar that depicted Roy as a mafia Don called the "Royfather".....the caption read, "I'll make him an offer he can't accept."
Bernard would have destroyed Jones in a rematch! Is there anybody here dumb enough to put the two guys that knocked Roid the fuk out in the same class with BERNARD HOPKINS??
Never mind...that was rhetorical.
There are a couple JUST that stupid! :p

career wise you have to say he's an eight, he will go down in the history books, but in years to come I don't think he will be considered in the rarified atmosphere that the boxing gods share e.g Ali, Louis, Ray Robinson etc.

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Im sorry but your wrong. This is boxing you dont rule your division for a decade, make 20 title defense and unify all 4 major belts by being "Lucky"

He's as technically as sound as any fighter I have ever seen. He has a great chin, He can fight for foward, going backwards, He can box from the outside just as good as he can fight on the inside.

You want to get dirty he's more than comfortable doing that.

You have to rank him top 5 all time at 160 one of the greatest divisions in the history of the sport.

He may not have fought in the greatest era, but he did fight some good guys. I think its funny people still harp on Felix Trinidad being a Welterweight. Trinidad has had 4 fights at 160 and has looked AMAZING in 3 of them. I'll tell you who doesn't think Tito is small and thats William Joppy and Hassine Cheriffi two legit top 5 guys at 160 when those fights happen.

The second fight with Roy Jones came along because the contract was a joke. It was not just 60/40. It was that Roy wanted everything to come out of Hopkins end aswell. It also had to do with the rematch clause Roy Jones wanted. It stated that if Bernard Hopkins had won the second fight he would recieve no more than 40% for the 3rd fight. Now thats a flat out joke.

He never ducked a rematch with James Toney becuase he never fought him to begin with. Now im sorry, but if you really believe James Toney was going to come down from 190 for that fight you really need to stop buying into internet hype.

Bernard Hopkins would be a heavy favorite over all the guys you listed. No one in the history of boxing "Destroys" Bernard Hopkins he's too good.
Hate him or not Hopkins has all the tools inside the ring.
Hopkins is an average fighter. I never said he ducked a rematch with Toney, I said he wanted nothing to do with Toney when Toney was at 168. Hopkins would've been a heavy favorite over all those fighters? Coulda Shoulda Woulda I guess. I'm not going to give this guy credit for beating cops and cab drivers. Ray Robinson, Marvin Hagler, and Carlos Monzon would murder him. You know, Felix Sturm was impressive against Cherifi, but I'm not going to say Sturm is a p4p fighter. I'm just not going to say he's a great middleweight until he fights another great middleweight. Alot of people said Shane Mosley was the p4p best, that was until he got some opposition from Forrest, and we all saw what happened. Until Hopkins proves himself, I don't think highly of him.

hopkins is a 9 i dont think any current boxer could beat him
Which says more about todays boxers than Hopkins.

Hopkins is an average fighter. I never said he ducked a rematch with Toney, I said he wanted nothing to do with Toney when Toney was at 168. Hopkins would've been a heavy favorite over all those fighters? Coulda Shoulda Woulda I guess. I'm not going to give this guy credit for beating cops and cab drivers. Ray Robinson, Marvin Hagler, and Carlos Monzon would murder him. You know, Felix Sturm was impressive against Cherifi, but I'm not going to say Sturm is a p4p fighter. I'm just not going to say he's a great middleweight until he fights another great middleweight. Alot of people said Shane Mosley was the p4p best, that was until he got some opposition from Forrest, and we all saw what happened. Until Hopkins proves himself, I don't think highly of him.

Are you ****ing high?

Hopkins is an "average fighter". Just stop watching boxing right now.

Your time line is so ****ed up its not even funny.

He didn't want to fight Toney when he was at 168?

Hopkins won his tilte in 1995 the same year James Toney moved up to 175.

You wont consider him great until he fights another great middleweight huh. Want to tell me who were the great middleweights Marvin Hagler fought? Thats right he fought some tough guys but no one great who was a natural 160lber Hagler's two biggest fights on his career came against Leonard and Hearns. Are you also gonna dog Hagler for not fighting Spinks? cause that fight was there to be made?

Hopkins has fought some good guys, but you just a shameless hater. Tito Trinidad, DLH, Echols2x, Holmes, Joppy, Allen and Glen Johnson who is now the Undisputed Light Heavyweight Champion of the World.

just stop it makes you sound foolish

Did Hopkins fight Toney? I am just curious.

Did Hopkins fight Toney? I am just curious.

No

Bernard Hopkins win his IBF Middleweight title in 1995 that same year James Toney started fighting at Lightheavyweight.

Then what the **** is all fuss about him not giving Toney a rematch? Plain Stupid. IMHo we are looking at one of the all-time great middleweights in line with Hagler, SRR, LaMotta etc...He might be one of the smartest fighters I've ever saw.

Hopkins is a 9 in my opinion..
I give Hopkins a nine. He's only lost two matches his whole career and held his title for 10 years. His loss to roy jones came early in his career. Roy was a seasoned amatuer and Hopkins was a student of the pro game. since that loss Hopkins has used his great defense and patience to dominate the competition. He is the only person to ever defeat trinidad, and he also handed defeats to robert allen, william joppy, glen johnson and oscar delahoya. Talk all the **** you want about trinidad being a welterwelt but there is no other middleweight around that can beat trinidad.

Ill Give Him 8

I give him 7.5
I will give him 8 if he beats Tito again,
I will give him 9 if he moves up and beats Tarver/Jones/Johnson.

I give him 7.5
I will give him 8 if he beats Tito again,
I will give him 9 if he moves up and beats Tarver/Jones/Johnson.


You do know he's already KO'ed Glen Johnson right?

8...good boxing skills, but boring as hell...Can't sell a PPV unless the opponent is a superstar...much like Winky...

let see what happens if he fight Tito again... ;)
I like what you said cause I was just about to say the same thing. I'd rather watch Roy jones cause he's exciting, even though i know that hopkins is freaking awesome, i give him a 9

I like what you said cause I was just about to say the same thing. I'd rather watch Roy jones cause he's exciting, even though i know that hopkins is freaking awesome, i give him a 9

Thanx Solo...

I'll give him a 7.

Muhammad Ali being a 10...I'd give Hopkins a 9

I give him 7...he's a good talker and he actually makes us think that he's indeed all time P4P...but compared to legends like Hagler(i give him 9.5), Hopkins is not that great...

oh yea...and i gave RJ an 8...

I'm going to give Hopkins an eight. One of the top 10-12 Middleweights of all time.