View Full Version : If Prime Jones and Prime Eubank fought how would of jones won?


Kayo
12-11-2005, 09:30 PM
We all know despite what JUYJUY says Jones would of won how would he of done it?

Kimmy
12-11-2005, 09:32 PM
Jones would win easy on points. Eubank's chin and heart would have kept him in the fight but he would not be able to win!

Memorex
12-11-2005, 09:33 PM
by easy decision, jones in his prime was untouchable

Tha Greatest
12-11-2005, 09:36 PM
by easy decision, jones in his prime was untouchable

I have to disagree.

Memorex
12-11-2005, 09:38 PM
I have to disagree.
whys that?

Tha Greatest
12-11-2005, 09:46 PM
whys that?

Because he has never been truly tested.

Soliloquy
12-11-2005, 09:49 PM
Because he has never been truly tested.
Have you ever seen anybody dominate & make people look stupid as much as Roy Jones Jr did?

BadMagick
12-11-2005, 10:02 PM
Because he has never been truly tested.

This is off topic, but holy **** does Taylor leave himself open when he jabs. Wow... I can't believe he wasn't countered.

Also, who was there to test Jones? A shot Eubank, Collins, or Benn? DM? Oh, how about James Toney? Oh, that's right, he smacked his ass around for twelve rounds. Nobody tested Jones because he was that damn good. Later on, people will be saying the same things about Floyd, even though Floyd will have a better resume.

Kayo
12-11-2005, 10:05 PM
good post man good K for you Jones shouldnt be penalized cause he wasnt anyone near his skill level around when he was in his prime

theironone
12-12-2005, 03:47 AM
i believe he would of got a 'tough' decision over eubank the type where its clear but close, an 'easy' win imo would be say 9+ rounds i think he would of taken it by about 3 or 4 and it been clear but have been countered often enough and hit hard enough to know he had been in a fight.
I can understand peoples problem with some of jones opponants but the man beat alot of good and a few great fighters when he was 168 - 175 he was frustratingly amazing to watch :D its not his fault he was far too good for the majority of the people in his weight class

MickyHatton
12-12-2005, 04:15 AM
I think he would have had a real tough time time with Eubank.

I watched many of the Jones fights and he was a lazy fighter, he did enough at times to win the fight, his talent is unquestionable but his heart?

Did he ever have to go into the trenches? I dont think he did, do not underestimate Eubank he was an excellent skilled boxer with a good punch, strong chin and awesome heart.

Jones would have had to dig deep and box his heart out to beat Eubank!

JUYJUY
12-12-2005, 07:31 AM
I have no doubt that Eubank had the tools to outpoint Jones Jr quite clearly.

Super_Lightweight
12-12-2005, 11:19 AM
Jones' heart passed the test in Jones-Tarver I, and that is obvious. After that though, he was just a shell of his former self.

I don't see Eubank testing him anymore than Toney, Hopkins, or Tarver did. I do not see how an orthodox fighter with no physical advantages over Roy would beat him.

JUYJUY
12-12-2005, 11:29 AM
Eubank's stiff left jab and fast left uppercut were the perfect punches to land on Jones Jr.

Super_Lightweight
12-12-2005, 11:32 AM
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MickyHatton
12-12-2005, 12:19 PM
Jones' heart passed the test in Jones-Tarver I, and that is obvious. After that though, he was just a shell of his former self.

I don't see Eubank testing him anymore than Toney, Hopkins, or Tarver did. I do not see how an orthodox fighter with no physical advantages over Roy would beat him.

Thats my point really, Eubank was a warrior and had numerous wars against class fighters (Watson x 2, Benn x 2 , Collins x 2, Ray Close x 2, Calzaghe and Thompson x 2) and could happily fight in the trenches.

Its obvious that Jones did not like to do that, you said it yourself after Tarver he was never the same, he would have found it a hard nights work!

Super_Lightweight
12-12-2005, 12:41 PM
Eubank, again, doesn't have any physical advantages over Roy like Tarver did. Roy's HEART passed the test vs Tarver, and that was his last hurrah. Roy's body wouldn't let him pass another test like that. Heart wasn't the issue. Either way, prime for prime, Eubank isn't imposing his will on Roy. Not gonna happen. Eubank is not that kind of fighter and Roy is not the fighter to allow that to happen.

BadMagick
12-13-2005, 07:39 PM
Eubank, again, doesn't have any physical advantages over Roy like Tarver did. Roy's HEART passed the test vs Tarver, and that was his last hurrah. Roy's body wouldn't let him pass another test like that. Heart wasn't the issue. Either way, prime for prime, Eubank isn't imposing his will on Roy. Not gonna happen. Eubank is not that kind of fighter and Roy is not the fighter to allow that to happen.

I've never actually seen Eubank fight, but I'll take people's opinions that his jab was good. We all know that a good jab beats speed, so maybe he has a shot, though I'm inclined to agree that I can't see someone outpointing Jones in his physical prime. If Toney couldn't do it, I just don't see anyone else doing it.

Kayo
12-13-2005, 07:52 PM
Eubank may of held up his own but he just isnt the super human cyborg JUYJUY believes him to be and i really dont think he'd be able to out point Jones let alone stop him

GasPed
12-13-2005, 08:02 PM
I've never actually seen Eubank fight, but I'll take people's opinions that his jab was good. We all know that a good jab beats speed, so maybe he has a shot, though I'm inclined to agree that I can't see someone outpointing Jones in his physical prime. If Toney couldn't do it, I just don't see anyone else doing it.
Eubank was a great fighter, but he was human. Roy in his prime was not. Unearthly quickness and power - he would land on Eubank before he could move, just like he landed on every guy he ever faced (in his prime).

Roy by UD.

The Noose
12-13-2005, 08:05 PM
It would have been interesting. But Jones IMO would be a big favourite.

Jones didnt like being hit, but Eubank also didnt like taking body shots.

At range i can see Jones picking him off, eventhough Eubank at his best was incredibly slippery, and difficult to nail.
Jones is a great counterpuncher, and would just about outbox Eubank.

Also i think Jones was a great short puncher, and on the inside could hurt Eubank to the body.

I really have to see Eubank versus Watson, but he was at his best for the first Benn fight, it was very close at the time of the stoppage. I think Jones had way more speed than Benn and would outpoint him.

winkyisnasty13
12-13-2005, 08:18 PM
easy decision for this one

Moschino045
12-13-2005, 08:33 PM
The thing is, we dont know just how good Eubank was. when he beat a guy called dennis Milton at spanish golden glove final in 84 in new york he had Don King & Bob Arum begging him to turn pro but Eubank stopped boxing. if Im not mistaken Milton was the reigning united states champion at 156 pounds right ?

With Eubank obviously the Watson tragedy wrecked him & he became a freakshow in the ring as well out of it after that. but lets not forget that Eubank was doing better with Watson in the first half of their first fight than Mike Mccallum did with Watson a yr earlier. Ronnie Davies says that all the top ten middleweight contenders didnt want nothing to do with Eubank in 89/90, Barry Hearn tried each day to get fights with top ten contenders throughout 89 but none of them would fight Eubank. Chris entered 1990 with a 20-0 record but his best opponents were only Anthony Logan & Johnny Melfah so its hard to judge just how good he was, as good as he looked (& he looked damn, damn good) we dont really know just how good he was back then because he really struggled to get fights and often had fights cancelled too.

Ill say this- it looks like no fighter outside of the elite could beat Eubank back then because he was that good, dont slate me because the quality of opposition was poor, i know that, im just saying that to me it looks like it would take some thing special to beat him! ive got his career set on VHS & he would play with guys back then & embarass them, making these funny postures during fights & looking like a real ring wizard even though he was a novice pro.

JUYJUY
12-14-2005, 10:38 AM
The thing is, we dont know just how good Eubank was. when he beat a guy called dennis Milton at spanish golden glove final in 84 in new york he had Don King & Bob Arum begging him to turn pro but Eubank stopped boxing. if Im not mistaken Milton was the reigning united states champion at 156 pounds right ?

With Eubank obviously the Watson tragedy wrecked him & he became a freakshow in the ring as well out of it after that. but lets not forget that Eubank was doing better with Watson in the first half of their first fight than Mike Mccallum did with Watson a yr earlier. Ronnie Davies says that all the top ten middleweight contenders didnt want nothing to do with Eubank in 89/90, Barry Hearn tried each day to get fights with top ten contenders throughout 89 but none of them would fight Eubank. Chris entered 1990 with a 20-0 record but his best opponents were only Anthony Logan & Johnny Melfah so its hard to judge just how good he was, as good as he looked (& he looked damn, damn good) we dont really know just how good he was back then because he really struggled to get fights and often had fights cancelled too.

Ill say this- it looks like no fighter outside of the elite could beat Eubank back then because he was that good, dont slate me because the quality of opposition was poor, i know that, im just saying that to me it looks like it would take some thing special to beat him! ive got his career set on VHS & he would play with guys back then & embarass them, making these funny postures during fights & looking like a real ring wizard even though he was a novice pro.
Nice research :)

I agree that Eubank looked very, very promising back then, although nobody liked him because of his arrogance and nobody could accept him so they just said that he's fighting nobodies and is a fraud.. when deep down they knew that he was different gravy!