the ring mag's 50 Greatest heavyweights of all time ..link or put it up please

Ask and you shall recieve, and this ranking is from the 1998 Holiday issue of The Ring;

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Evander Holyfield
4. George Foreman
5. Larry Holmes
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Sonny Liston
8. Joe Frazier
9. Jack Johnson
10. Jack Dempsey
11. Ezzard Charles
12. James J. Jeffries
13. Jersey Joe Walcott
14. Mike Tyson
15. Gene Tunney
16. Harry Wills
17. Sam Langford
18. John L. Sullivan
19. Max Schmeling
20. Max Baer
21. Floyd Patterson
22. Ken Norton
23. Riddick Bowe
24. Bob Fitzsimmons
25. Joe Jeannette
26. Jimmy Bivins
27. Jerry Quarry
28. Jack Sharkey
29. Archie Moore
30. Sam McVey
31. Cleveland Williams
32. Lennox Lewis
33. Earnie Shavers
34. Jim Corbett
35. Ernie Terrell
36. Michael Spinks
37. Jimmy Young
38. Zora Folley
39. Ingemar Johansson
40. Ron Lyle
41. Tim Witherspoon
42. Jimmy Ellis
43. Mike Weaver
44. Michael Moorer
45. James J. Braddock
46. Tommy Farr
47. Tommy Burns
48. Tommy Gibbons
49. Pinklon Thomas
50. Michael Dokes

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I just can't see Holyfield that high on the list, any way I look at it.

Holyfield at 3? I can't see that either.

Bivins was a very good fighter, but not #26 at heavyweight.

im a holyfield fan but no way is he the 3rd best

Evander Holyfield above Foreman and Frazier?

Dont forget that was in 98, he was flying around that time, he had just beated Tyson twice and Moorer, he drew and lost to Lewis in 99!

Lewis was ranked 32 then, he would be much higher now 8 years on!

Bowe beat Holyfield twice when he proved he was better than him. He should be up higher then :rolleyes:

tyson 14?? they say :rolleyes:

holy way to high, i also have a hard time seeing jack johnson over jack dempsey

And Joe Louis is the greatest. He should be #1 :boxing:

And Joe Louis is the greatest. He should be #1

2nd greatest! :D

holy way to high, i also have a hard time seeing jack johnson over jack dempsey

because he was better. he was bigger, faster, stronger, and way better defense.

because he was better. he was bigger, faster, stronger, and way better defense.
ya see thats not even technically true,Dempsey i know would destroy Johnson

this is my opinion of Johnson a decent fighter, Jack Johnson fought in the early 1900's when the average fighter was 5'8-5'9, he was 6'0 which gave him an advantage he had some power, but because blacks where considered so inferior so horribley stupid and weak, when one black person was able to beat white people up it was like WOAH, doesn't mean he was really good it just means he was better then most of the opponenets back then and was blown out of proportion, he was good but not great
Dempsey and Marciano could both beat him and since tunney beat dempsey he could beat Jack Johnson, I've seen Johnson fight (the few i could) he was fast but it would be easy for marciano to get inside on him- in my opinion he technically shouldn't be on the top 10 greatest hw of all time and if any reason he should be its because he was the first black champion -- which is exactly what i said in a different thread

Dempsey was better

Johnson is given a lot of credit for beating Jim Jeffries even though Jeffries had three years off and had to shed 80+ pounds for the fight.

Evander should not be #3 by the way.

yea Jefferies was like supposed to be like the white hope and was so out of shape it was like a really out of shape white guy

Jeffries, who retired undefeated before he dropped over a hundred pounds and made his comeback in Reno, was so much more than a great white hope. He had a great jaw, stamina, and the strength of a brahma bull. He wasn't a KO artist, but he packed a devastating punch in each hand. Jeffries was probably the greatest physical specimen the ring produced. He was just a force of nature. You'd be better off comparing his strength to a similary sized bear than a human.

Maybe Johnson outpoints him if you pit them together in their primes, but my money would be on Jeffries to come through in the later rounds.

As for Dempsey vs. Johnson, I'll go with Dempsey who had superior punching mechanics and was lighter on his feet. Johnson was smarter, but Dempsey had power, chin, and was infinitely meaner as well as having a superior reach. I don't think Johnson would be able to stand flat footed and parry such a devastating puncher who would be ripping into Johnson's head and body like a starving hyena. If he tries to fight Dempsey on the inside,if he tries to clinch, well you know why they called him the Manassa Mauler. Dempsey would fight dirty: rabbit punch, go low, do anything it would take until he was warned and was in danger of being DQed.

Dempsey wanted it more than almost anyone, and when he was at his best few in history could hang with him. I don't think Johnson was one of those men. Too much intensity, quickness, and power.

Dempsey by early or midround knockout.

Agreed Evander number 3!

Agreed Evander number 3!
i am a BIG fan of his. this came out right after his wins ofer Tyson and at that time i agreed but he has hurt himself in the last few years . i can see Foreman over him maybe Tyson, Holmes,Johnson,Lewis but thats about it