If Zab beats Spinks this fight might happen accordin to some sources KT said he might fight Judah if Zab will be a champ.
So who do you think will win in a rematch?
I pick Kostya but i am his fan and a bit bias :D

If Zab beats Spinks this fight might happen accordin to some sources KT said he might fight Judah if Zab will be a champ.
So who do you think will win in a rematch?
I pick Kostya but i am his fan and a bit bias :D

With a name like BrookylnBomber your a Kostya fan? :D I would have thought you would be rooting Judah since he is from Brookyln. Zab's one of my favorites but I don't think he beats Tyzsu because Zab doesn't have a great chin and Tyzsu has a great punch that I see it eventually connecting if they had a rematch.

I used to see Zab at Gleason's. Thats brooklyn's most famous boxing gym. He was damn good and just as arrogant.

IMO it can go either way...but my money will be on Tszyu

The only interest I have in this fight, is what dance move Zab can come up with to top the last one.

Zab does the chicken dance again.

If Zab beats Spinks this fight might happen accordin to some sources KT said he might fight Judah if Zab will be a champ.
So who do you think will win in a rematch?
I pick Kostya but i am his fan and a bit bias :D


I would love to see Chicken Dance II. :D I also think that you are not a true fan if you admit a possibility of a bias. :D

Tzsyu is a great Champion!

With a name like BrookylnBomber your a Kostya fan? :D I would have thought you would be rooting Judah since he is from Brookyln.

Ha-ha, he is probably from Brighton Beach, a wrong side of Brooklyn.

The only interest I have in this fight, is what dance move Zab can come up with to top the last one.

Well, the only way he can top that one is to drink a liter of vodka before going up the ring. But, wether he is drunk or not, I'd pick Kostya to win again.

same results...except to make it better Zab does the twist (like John Travlolta in Pulp Ficiton) then drops for the 10count... :D

Ha-ha, he is probably from Brighton Beach, a wrong side of Brooklyn.
Hell no. I am from Bensonhurst.Thats way far away from Brighton. And BTW i am his true fan because only true fan will go from NY to Arizona to watch his favorite fighter fight.

Hell no. I am from Bensonhurst.Thats way far away from Brighton. And BTW i am his true fan because only true fan will go from NY to Arizona to watch his favorite fighter fight.


I was just kidding. :D Are you Russian? Whereabouts if so?

I actually wanted smart answers. I mean everybody knows Zab will dance anyway, but I want to hear people break down their answers and explain their opinions.

I actually wanted smart answers. I mean everybody knows Zab will dance anyway, but I want to hear people break down their answers and explain their opinions.

ha-ha-ha :D :D :D

I was just kidding. :D Are you Russian? Whereabouts if so?
Actually I was born in Ukraine. Been following boxing since I am 8. Been fan of Kostya since his amateur career.

Actually I was born in Ukraine. Been following boxing since I am 8. Been fan of Kostya since his amateur career.


Where in Ukraine did you come from? Odessa, Kiev, some place else?

Kostya is the best fighter that has ever come out from Europe.

Where in Ukraine did you come from? Odessa, Kiev, some place else?

Kostya is the best fighter that has ever come out from Europe.
Was born in Odessa but rised in Brooklyn.

Was born in Odessa but rised in Brooklyn.


Cool! Odessa is a great city. Odessa used to be the humor capital of the former SU! Brooklyn is cool too!

Cool! Odessa is a great city. Odessa used to be the humor capital of the former SU! Brooklyn is cool too!
Where are you from?

Zab has the speed and the skills to confuse Kostya, but not enough power to knock him down. However, Kostya's power was proven in their first match, I say Kostya stalks Zab and finally catches him just like the first bout...but Zab will be more careful this time so it'll take awhile until he drops...

Zab has the speed and the skills to confuse Kostya, but not enough power to knock him down. However, Kostya's power was proven in their first match, I say Kostya stalks Zab and finally catches him just like the first bout...but Zab will be more careful this time so it'll take awhile until he drops...


I hope that Spinks will take a close decision over Zab and go on to fight Tzsyu. I think that that will be a much better fight than Chicken Dance II.

I think that Spinks will take a close decision over Zab and go on to fight Tzsyu. I think that that will be a much more fun fight than Chicken Dance II.
Kostya chasing Spinks all night long will shure as hell be funny to watch. I do think however that Zab will beat Spinks. zab knows that he can beat Spinks and that will give him some confidence wich is crucial for him. Fighting Kostya however will bring up bad memories for Zab therefore greatly deminishing his will to survive. Zab proved to be the fighter who can be greatly affected and psychologically destroyed before a fight.

Kostya chasing Spinks all night long will shure as hell be funny to watch. I do think however that Zab will beat Spinks.

I agree, Zab will win, if Zab does not act stupid again. Zab could have won the first fight too, had he not engaged in stupid acting and "talking" to RJJ during the fight.

there is a misconception that judahs chin is bad.....it really is not.....most of the time he is really off balance......only time he was ever hurt was vs kostya tsyzu......now im not saying judah would win.....but he would put up a damn good fight.......i would bet my money on judah.......he has the speed and power to actually hurt tsyzu as he did in the 1st round........judah went a full 12 rounds with micky ward and was never hurt.........there has never been a fight that judah has been hurt other than tsyzu......he made a stupid mistake of getting up too fast.......you guys will see judah aint foolin around anymore......hes going to beat spinks then possibly beat tsyzu

my bad he was slightly hurt in the first round vs millet

i think the real question is this at 140 or 147. at 140 tszu will KO him, but at 147 judah got a much better chance
hes been in a couple fights in that division

Where,Zab vs Tszyu it's a joke,right??

i'd bet anyone on judah....i think judah has the style to beat tsyzu

Judah is not even in the same league as Tzyu. He could not hang in with him for 2 rounds the first time. Judah looses to Gatti, Mayweather, Cotto, Hatton, Tzyu,Harris, Mitchell.

Why should Tzyu leave the best divisoin in boxing to go up to the weakass welterweight divison. There are so many better fights are jr. welterweight. LIke all teh guys listed above. Corey Spinks is even at 154 now. The only other name fighters at welterweigt are Margorito and Cintron.

judah would beat gatti, hatton, mitchell(he would be destroyed)

mayweather would prob. beat judah...harris would be a good fight.....and tsyzu would be a good fight...but i would have to say judah would win this time.......if u watch the fight the 1st round showed that judah could hurt tsyzu and he almost had him down...........ill bet some points wit ya when the fight comes

Judah is not even in the same league as Tzyu. He could not hang in with him for 2 rounds the first time. Judah looses to Gatti, Mayweather, Cotto, Hatton, Tzyu,Harris, Mitchell.

Why should Tzyu leave the best divisoin in boxing to go up to the weakass welterweight divison. There are so many better fights are jr. welterweight. LIke all teh guys listed above. Corey Spinks is even at 154 now. The only other name fighters at welterweigt are Margorito and Cintron.

judah would beat gatti, hatton, mitchell(he would be destroyed)

mayweather would prob. beat judah...harris would be a good fight.....and tsyzu would be a good fight...but i would have to say judah would win this time.......if u watch the fight the 1st round showed that judah could hurt tsyzu and he almost had him down...........ill bet some points wit ya when the fight comes

I dont even think Judah even wants a rematch with Tzyu He was KO'd by Tzyu in the second round. So how in your logic would it be a good fight. Tzyu is levels ahead of Judah based on the fact they alrady fought and Tzyu stopped him in 2. But if Judah remateches, I will say has courage to do so, but he will be KO'd again for sure.

Judah is vastly overrated fighter, sorry I know he is your favorite fighter, but he is vastyly overrated. His best career win was against Corey Spinks. Other notable fights, he got a gift SD descision against chop chop Corley, he beat Ward, and he beat Jan Bergman. He has not fought or beat much world class opposition.

im no nutthugger I would admit if someone could beat my favorite fighter..I trully think he has a good chance vs tsyzu....judah hurt tsyzu....his combination of speed/power could give tsyzu problems.....I wouldnt be surprised if judah just outboxed him for 12 rounds...yes judah was ko'd by tsyzu but thats becuase he was foolish enough to get up right away..he could have took his time and then got up......and he is not overrated......he is not even top ten p4p in lots of list.......he is a unified champion......we will see

im no nutthugger I would admit if someone could beat my favorite fighter..I trully think he has a good chance vs tsyzu....judah hurt tsyzu....his combination of speed/power could give tsyzu problems.....I wouldnt be surprised if judah just outboxed him for 12 rounds...yes judah was ko'd by tsyzu but thats becuase he was foolish enough to get up right away..he could have took his time and then got up......and he is not overrated......he is not even top ten p4p in lots of list.......he is a unified champion......we will see

He was KO'd in 2 rounds by Tzyu not long ago yet you say he has a good chance to win in a rematch. That is the definiton of a nuthugger. Judah has never beaten anybody near the class of Tzyu, and like I said I doubt Judah wants a rematch, Hardly ever guys want rematches when they are stopped cold in teh 2nd round, and this is not ancient history, this was like 2 years ago. Judah needs to gain some quality wins against top level opponents like Sharamba Mitchel Corley or something before he ever deserves a chance to fight Tzyu. Corley beat Judah but was robbed by the judges he should rematch with him. Judah is on the level of Corley which is like 3 levels below where Tzyu is.

I reiterate

Judah looses to Cotto
Mayweather
Sharamba Mitchell
Gatti
Chop Chop Corley
Cotto
Vivian Harris
Hatton
and others.

his best win is against Corey Spinks, his only other notable vitcotiries are Jan Bergman, and bull**** gift descision with Corely, and his UD of Ward. He stepped up in class once to fight Tzyu and was promptly dropped in 2 rounds. Face it despite the hype, Judah is a b- fighter.

I am not a nuthugger it is clear you never seen the tsyzu judah fight.......judah HURT tsyzu in the first fight in round 1.....doesnt that tell you something.????????...judah has a very good shot at beating tsyzu........LIke i said judah did the stupid move of getting up when his legs were not under him yet.....it was not a devastating ko.....when did sharmba mitchell become elite? spinks was p4p top 10........so if your telling me spinks was nothing and mitchell was elite.....sounds ilke u are the nuthugger


He was KO'd in 2 rounds by Tzyu not long ago yet you say he has a good chance to win in a rematch. That is the definiton of a nuthugger. Judah has never beaten anybody near the class of Tzyu, and like I said I doubt Judah wants a rematch, Hardly ever guys want rematches when they are stopped cold in teh 2nd round, and this is not ancient history, this was like 2 years ago. Judah needs to gain some quality wins against top level opponents like Sharamba Mitchel Corley or something before he ever deserves a chance to fight Tzyu. Corley beat Judah but was robbed by the judges he should rematch with him. Judah is on the level of Corley which is like 3 levels below where Tzyu is.

I reiterate

Judah looses to Cotto
Mayweather
Sharamba Mitchell
Gatti
Chop Chop Corley
Cotto
Vivian Harris
Hatton
and others.

his best win is against Corey Spinks, his only other notable vitcotiries are Jan Bergman, and bull**** gift descision with Corely, and his UD of Ward. He stepped up in class once to fight Tzyu and was promptly dropped in 2 rounds. Face it despite the hype, Judah is a b- fighter.

I am not a nuthugger it is clear you never seen the tsyzu judah fight.......judah HURT tsyzu in the first fight in round 1.....doesnt that tell you something.????????...judah has a very good shot at beating tsyzu........LIke i said judah did the stupid move of getting up when his legs were not under him yet.....it was not a devastating ko.....when did sharmba mitchell become elite? spinks was p4p top 10........so if your telling me spinks was nothing and mitchell was elite.....sounds ilke u are the nuthugger


For a Judah hugger like you:

how come you were arguing with me on the "Undisputed Welterweight Champion" thread. You are talking way differently than you did then. Everyone attacked me for picking Judah against others......and you were even downgrading your boy.

I think you dont even give him the credit he deserves.

Judah would not lose to mitchell, gatti, corley(judah already beat him), hatton........he would be in competitive fights with Cotto, mayweather( im sure he would lose to pbf), harris , tsyzu

becuase you were being a moron and saying judah would beat DLH....i didnt agree that judah could beat dlh.....i was being honest...u said he could beat trinidad......i said no he would not beat trinidad........judah is my fav. fighter but i am not biased enough to think that judah would beat trinidad like u said


For a Judah hugger like you:

how come you were arguing with me on the "Undisputed Welterweight Champion" thread. You are talking way differently than you did then. Everyone attacked me for picking Judah against others......and you were even downgrading your boy.

Judah would not lose to mitchell, gatti, corley(judah already beat him), hatton........he would be in competitive fights with Cotto, mayweather( im sure he would lose to pbf), harris , tsyzu

Judah "beat" Corely the same way De La Hoya "beat" Sturm and the same way Roy Jones the lost the olympic gold medal match. Your saying Judah was impressive against Tzyu in a fight in which he was stopped before the the bell for round 3 rang. Again you define what being a nuthugger is. Judah stepped up in opposition once and could not last 6 mineuts. Lets see him try to take a step up in class again maybe he will improve and last maybe 9 or even 12 mineuts before being put down.

becuase you were being a moron and saying judah would beat DLH....i didnt agree that judah could beat dlh.....i was being honest...u said he could beat trinidad......i said no he would not beat trinidad........judah is my fav. fighter but i am not biased enough to think that judah would beat trinidad like u said

LOL. Judah would k.O. trinidad like it was 1999. I am not a Judah hugger like you......but even I realize that.

He is arguably one of the best fighters on earth. How would Trini deal with his style? Judah is far too slick. Just like nard was, and Wright will be.

Judah beat Corely the same way De La Hoya beat Sturm. Your saying Judah was impressive against Tzyu in a fight in which he was stopped before the the bell for round 3 rang. Again you define what being a nuthugger is.


I have no ieda what you are talking about...had did corley beat judah? DIDNT JUDAH WIN....it was close but judah clearly won....I DIDNT SAY the tsyzu and judah fight was close..... I said that judah hurt tsyzu in the first round which shows that judah is capable of doing damage to tsyzu....Put your money where your mouth is and lets bet some points or avatars if this fight ever happens

LOL. Judah would k.O. trinidad like it was 1999. I am not a Judah hugger like you......but even I realize that.

He is arguably one of the best fighters on earth. How would Trini deal with his style? Judah is far too slick. Just like nard was, and Wright will be.


ok you are obviously a moron? how AM I A NUT HUGGER WHEN I SAY HE WOULD LOSE TO TRINIDAD AND DLH?????????? does that even make sense? does it? IF I SAY JUDAH WOULD LOSE TO TRINIDAD AND DLH..how does that make me a nuthugger just explain that to me and I will shut up..trinidad is in a totally different weight then judah.....hes alot stronger than him...its like asking mike tyson to fight prince naseem

its like asking mike tyson to fight prince naseem

LOL. Thats taking it a bit too far junior. Denouncing your boy does not make you cool. Just to let you know.

I have no ieda what you are talking about...had did corley beat judah? DIDNT JUDAH WIN....it was close but judah clearly won....I DIDNT SAY the tsyzu and judah fight was close..... I said that judah hurt tsyzu in the first round which shows that judah is capable of doing damage to tsyzu....Put your money where your mouth is and lets bet some points or avatars if this fight ever happens

Judah got a gift descision against Corley, Corley easily won 7 rounds to 5 but you probably have never seen that fight, gift descision of the year.

LOL. Thats taking it a bit too far junior. Denouncing your boy does not make you cool. Just to let you know.


answer the question moron...how am i a nuthugger when i said trinidad and dlh would beat judah

Judah got a gift descision against Corley, Corley easily won 7 rounds to 5 but you probably have never seen that fight, gift descision of the year.


I have a huge collection of fights so I've seen the judah corley fight..put ur money where ur mouth is and make a bet when tsyzu and judah fight...loser leaves forum

answer the question moron...how am i a nuthugger when i said trinidad and dlh would beat judah

You were pissed off that someone other than you picked Judah against any other fighter. You lack the emotional intelligence to admitt that you are not the only Judah fan on earth.

Simple as that.

I was watching him fight when you were in pre-K.

answer the question moron...how am i a nuthugger when i said trinidad and dlh would beat judah

Judah is nowhere near the class of Triniad or De La Hoya to be compared to them. His only quality wins are againt Spinks, UD of ward, jan bergman, and the gift descision to Corley. Whereas Trinadad and De La Hoya are legends that have defeated legends and have had many fights with legendary fighters like Vargas, Chavez etc... Judah has 0 fights against world class opposition except against Tzyu and he was put down in 2.

You were pissed off that someone other than you picked Judah against any other fighter. You lack the emotional intelligence to admitt that you are not the only Judah fan on earth.

Simple as that.

I was watching him fight when you were in pre-K.

that does not answer the question....how am i a nut hugger when i said judah would lose to trinidad and dlh......u were saying judah could beat anyone and everyone........seriously who in their right mind thinks judah could beat DLH and trinidad at 160

Judah is nowhere near the class of Triniad or De La Hoya to be compared to them. His only quality wins are againt Spinks, UD of ward, jan bergman, and the gift descision to Corley. Whereas Trinadad and De La Hoya are legends that have defeated legends and have had many fights with legendary fighters like Vargas, Chavez etc... Judah has 0 fights against world class opposition except against Tzyu and he was put down in 2.

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at least we agree there that judah would lose to dlh and trinidad.....mr run 2/knives belives judah could beat vitali

so how bout it mckay when tsyzu and judah fight.......we bet....loser LEAVES FORUM

that does not answer the question....how am i a nut hugger when i said judah would lose to trinidad and dlh......u were saying judah could beat anyone and everyone........seriously who in their right mind thinks judah could beat DLH and trinidad at 160

Corey Spinks also beat nobody to distiguis himself as a world class fighter. He beat the vastly overrated Zab Judah by UD and beat Ricardo Mayorga only by Majority descision, what a world beater you got there, and thats Judah's best win.

that does not answer the question....how am i a nut hugger when i said judah would lose to trinidad and dlh......u were saying judah could beat anyone and everyone........seriously who in their right mind thinks judah could beat DLH and trinidad at 160

Obviously you missed the point junior.

Judah is the Welterweight champion of the world. In order for DLH and Trini to fight him, they would have to move down in weight. Re-read my thread before you talk ****. you obviously are out of your element, trying to downgrade a pimp like me.

JUDAH AT 147

Jesus man. Pay attention.

so how bout it mckay when tsyzu and judah fight.......we bet....loser LEAVES FORUM

I accept your challenge.

Judah "beat" Corely the same way De La Hoya "beat" Sturm and the same way Roy Jones the lost the olympic gold medal match. Your saying Judah was impressive against Tzyu in a fight in which he was stopped before the the bell for round 3 rang. Again you define what being a nuthugger is. Judah stepped up in opposition once and could not last 6 mineuts. Lets see him try to take a step up in class again maybe he will improve and last maybe 9 or even 12 mineuts before being put down.

Wrong. Sturm's loss was controversial. Corley's was not. Corley did not do enough. Period. Comparing Roy's being robbed of the gold in 1988 and Corley legitimately losing to Judah is stupid.

Judah was stopped by just as easily could have kept going if he had taken a few secs before trying to get up.

Obviously you missed the point junior.

Judah is the Welterweight champion of the world. In order for DLH and Trini to fight him, they would have to move down in weight. Re-read my thread before you talk ****. you obviously are out of your element, trying to downgrade a pimp like me.

JUDAH AT 147

Jesus man. Pay attention.


lol ok then JUDAH BEATS TYSON at 147 on the SCALES!!!!!!!!!!!! tyson cant make 147 anymore!!!!!!!!!! judah winS!!!!!!

lol ok then JUDAH BEATS TYSON at 147 on the SCALES!!!!!!!!!!!! tyson cant make 147 anymore!!!!!!!!!! judah winS!!!!!!

I so never said that. You are twisting things around now. When has Tyson ever been a 147 lber like DLH and Trini?

Wrong. Sturm's loss was controversial. Corley's was not. Corley did not do enough. Period. Comparing Roy's being robbed of the gold in 1988 and Corley legitimately losing to Judah is stupid.

Judah was stopped by just as easily could have kept going if he had taken a few secs before trying to get up.

Every Split Descision is by definition controversial.

And Judah was totally gone in the Tzyu fight, you saw his legs he was doing the chicken dance in there, he was totally gone.

tszyu will win by ko again.

trinidad could never make 147 again and tahst the only reason why judah would beat trinidad because trinidad would lose on the scales

Every Split Descision is by definition controversial.

Uh, no, not really. Try not to make such overstatements. Especially when the right fighter in most people's eyes got the decision.

split decisions just means one judge saw it different frmo the other 2 judges.......soem are controversial but not ALL

Corley was robbed in the Judah fight. Some split descison are legit but the majority are just bull**** gift descisions. There should be less split and majority descisons called in boxing and more no contests and draws called. If you win by split descision that is an indicator that niether fighter was dominant, but in the case of the Corley vs Judah fight De La Hoya vs Sturm, they were just your typical bull**** SD gifts. Split descisons and Majority descison 80% of the time count for **** all. Anytime a fight is decided by split or majority descision a rematch is in order. Judah should rematch Corely before anything else. Judah still needs to prove he is superior to fighters like Corley before he can start worrying about the big boys. He went after a big boy in Tzyu once and it was clear he was not on that level.

Tszyu Judah 2 will never happen, but anyway because Tszyu has maybe 2 fights left at most.... but I may as well have a crack at this too!

I guess it's how you define 'hurt'. I define it as 'in trouble'.
Judah hit Tszyu with a big uppercut in round one, but didn't 'hurt' him. Tszyu felt the punch, but did not lose his legs, his eyes were clear, and he was moving forward again within 10 seconds.

If you look at a different angle of Zab getting up after the knockdown, his eyes were crossed and not clear.

The reason Zab got up so quick was because he WAS hurt. It wasn't a conscious thing.

I don't know if Zab has the power to stop Tszyu before eating a big punch. He may land some shots on Tszyu, but will eventually take a big right hand straight down the pipe it's all over.

Well first of all i have to say that Zab can beat anybody in jr.welter but Tszyu.
He can definately (i dont say he will, but he will be a topdog for me)beat PBF because he is arguably just as fast, but has more power and bigger. He can beat harris and gatti because of his speed. He can beat Cotto because cotto cant fight on a high pace and when **** will hit the fan(and trust me it will) cotto will loose the grip on reality. The only person he cant beat is tszyu.(he has a chance, but slim one) because of tszyu's power, timing, skills, and ring generalship.
Also it is quiete ignorant to say that Zab's victory over Corley was controversial. Watch the fight, Corley was outworked.
But Zab is in welter now and there he is much more vulnerable.
P.S. His chin is not so bad, he only been hurt a couple of times in his whole career.

Why in th hell is anyone even comparing Judah to DLH and Trinidad? Just because B-Hop beat Tito doesn't mean Judah will. B-Hop had the power to keep Tito off him, Judah? Dunno, but I'm going to go with no. Comparing Judah to Tito and DLH is about as intelligent as what PBF is doing right now, comparing himself to the both of them. You guys are forgetting that Judah is what, about 5'7? ****ing DLH and Tito are both 5'11, they are both larger fighters naturally, and B-Hop is like 6'1 or 6'2 I think. A person can be a fan and still have an objective view of his fighter, as I think Judah is a great, very talented fighter, but if he goes up in weight anymore, he'll be at a distinct disadvantage where speed and reach are concerned. He's just fine at 140 or 147 tops. By the way, I think he would outbox Zoo early on, but would get brave and try to knock Zoo out, and that would be trouble, but definitely Zoo would have more trouble finding Judah the second time around.

when is judah gonna wake up and see that his career is over....he has a glass chin and it will be exposed in upcoming fights...mark me on this JUDAH OUT OF BOXING WITHIN 2 years

Judah within 60 seconds.

McKay you're a ****ing idiot. Corley was robbed? WTF are you smoking? Judah clearly won that fight. Gift? You're a ****ing idiot. People liked Corley more than Judah then, you ****ing mark. I can tell you didn't even watch the fight. And if you did, you must've got the fighters mixed up b/c there's no way in hell anybody, even **** like you, could say Corley won.

It isn't at all inconceivable for Judah to beat Mosley, Trinidad, and DLH. Mosley isn't the same fighter he was 4 years ago, so I'd go with Judah. I would've pretty much always gone with Judah over DLH, though close. And Trinidad is too one-dimensional for Judah. Zab wouldn't knock him out, but he'd shut him out. He'd pretty much have to in order to get a 115-113 win on the judges' King influenced scorecards. Yes, I know Judah is a king fighter too, but come on, who is the bigger draw by far?

If Zab is so great why does he not get off his ass and go challenge one of the top guys. Corey Spinks is not ****. He barely made it past Ricardo Mayorga, but now since he beat overrated Judah he is this big P4P superstar. If he was such a P4P superstar you would think he could do better than a Majority descicion against Ricardo Mayorga. Zab Judah best career win is against Corey Spinks, yet you put him on the same plain as Trinidad, this is inconcievable nonsense.

Judah looses to all the major Jr welterweights and probably looses to Cintron or Margorito at welterweight. Judah will be KO'd again within his next 3 fights.

If Zab is so great why does he not get off his ass and go challenge one of the top guys. Corey Spinks is not ****. He barely made it past Ricardo Mayorga, but now since he beat overrated Judah he is this big P4P superstar. If he was such a P4P superstar you would think he could do better than a Majority descicion against Ricardo Mayorga. Zab Judah best career win is against Corey Spinks, yet you put him on the same plain as Trinidad, this is inconcievable nonsense.

Judah looses to all the major Jr welterweights and probably looses to Cintron or Margorito at welterweight. Judah will be KO'd again within his next 3 fights.

I never said judah WAS A ALL TIME GREAT I said he has a very good shot at beating tsyzu......and he FAUGHT WHO WHOEVER WAS TOP DOG at the 147 division which was spinks.. who else could he fight? SPinks was the unified champ at 147.....judah is alreayd 7 pounds up frmo his natural wait.....and again I WASNT THE ONE THAT SAID JUDAH COULD BEAT TRINIDAD...run w knives said judah could beat trinidad I DIDN;t eitehr way we have a bet loser leaves forum on the judah vs tsyzu future fight

my point was that judah has a great shot at beating tsyzu especially since he has had a couple fights at 147 already.........i never said JUDAH WAS A ALL TIME GREAT

WTF all these McKay guys been smoking. Judah already got a fight scheduled for him. Cosmo Rivera is his mandatory.
BTW Zab Super Judah if Tszyu will fight Judah this year or early next year we gotta make a bet.

Why is it so hard to imagine Judah beating Trinidad? Tito isn't that impressive of a fighter, besides power. He sucks as a boxer. Pretty one dimensional. Wright will probably beat him, let alone Judah.

Why is it so hard to imagine Judah beating Trinidad? Tito isn't that impressive of a fighter, besides power. He sucks as a boxer. Pretty one dimensional. Wright will probably beat him, let alone Judah.
I can imagine this fight can go like Trinidad/Reid where Judah will outbox Trinidad as long as he des not get caught. Trinindads
movement is just as good as Roy Jones'es rap and that is where Judah can capitalise by just pot shooting. but if he get careles and get caught he is ****ed. saying this I would still make Trinindad the favourite in this match up.

Why is it so hard to imagine Judah beating Trinidad? Tito isn't that impressive of a fighter, besides power. He sucks as a boxer. Pretty one dimensional. Wright will probably beat him, let alone Judah.


Tito is not that impressive as fighter? He only TKO'd Fernado Vargas, destroyed Mayorga, UD'd David Reid, MD Oscar De La Hoya, TKO 5 Williams Joppy, UD Pernell Whitaker in 1999, TKO 8 Oba "moter city" Carr, UD hector "macho" camacho in 1994, and made 15 successfull defences of the IBF Welterweight tile between 1993 and 2000, before unifying it with WBC by his victory over De La Hoya. Then vacated both belts and went to light middleweight. Where he won the Ligth middleweight title from Reid and defended it 4 times before loosing a a UD to hopkins (his only loss). He had both the WBA and IBF middleweight titles before loosing the UD to hopkins. But Ok he is not that impressive, Judah is levels ahead of himm or at least on teh same level, with his win over Corey Spinks, jan bergman and micky ward.

Spinks only won a Majority descision against Ricardo Mayorga, you would think such a p4p superstar as Spinks could do better.

Not to mentoni Tito has 35KO's in 42 wins mostly against championship caliber opposition.

Zab won the 1st round. His problem is the nerves. Of course in the 2nd fight Kostya would be a favourite but if Judah has a discipline he would be a winner.

Kostya doesn’t create, he uses his opponents mistakes. The path to the victory over Tszyu is a path with no mistakes.

If Zab will make so many mistakes and let his bad nerves to cotrol him he has a chance go to the Olympics as a member of the artistical gymnastics team:)Zab has the speed and the skills to confuse Kostya, but not enough power to knock him down. However, Kostya's power was proven in their first match, I say Kostya stalks Zab and finally catches him just like the first bout...but Zab will be more careful this time so it'll take awhile until he drops...I don’t agree. Zab has a wild punch and Ko was down in the fights against the boxers with the weaker shots – I’m about Pineda, Vince and Hurtado.I hope that Spinks will take a close decision over Zab and go on to fight Tzsyu. I think that that will be a much better fight than Chicken Dance II.
I agree – Spinks’ nerves are better than Zab’s ones. And Zab’s style is more dangerous to Cory than Kostya’s one.

Judah is not even in the same league as Tzyu. He could not hang in with him for 2 rounds the first time. Judah looses to Gatti, Mayweather, Cotto, Hatton, Tzyu,Harris, Mitchell.

Why should Tzyu leave the best divisoin in boxing to go up to the weakass welterweight divison. There are so many better fights are jr. welterweight. LIke all teh guys listed above. Corey Spinks is even at 154 now. The only other name fighters at welterweigt are Margorito and Cintron.Judahs’ skills are in the the same league as Tszyus’ and Judahs’ talent is even bigger but his stability and psychology are at the amateur level.
Zab couldn’t beat Arturo, Floyd, it’s extremely hard to him to beat Kostya and Vivian but others are the easy work for him.Tzyu is levels ahead of Judah based on the fact they alrady fought and Tzyu stopped him in 2.
It’s just an indicator of that time Zab’s nerves condition.Judah needs to gain some quality wins against top level opponents like Sharamba Mitchel Corley or something before he ever deserves a chance to fight Tzyu.It’s true.

I think its fair to say that in Zab's last three fights it does seem like he has got used to 147 and is all buisness.

Corley beat Judah but was robbed by the judges he should rematch with him. Judah is on the level of Corley which is like 3 levels below where Tzyu is.You should see that Judah did nothing in the ring that night because of the lack of discipline and will. The one time he tried he KDed Demarkus.Corey Spinks also beat nobody to distiguis himself as a world class fighter. He beat the vastly overrated Zab Judah by UD and beat Ricardo Mayorga only by Majority descision, what a world beater you got there, and thats Judah's best win.Slick question, man. So tell me please whom did Ko beat? Judah was his greatest win... The others was boxers past his prime and overrated ones like Sharmba...Judah still needs to prove he is superior to fighters like Corley before he can start worrying about the big boys. One fight will be enough I think.Judah hit Tszyu with a big uppercut in round one, but didn't 'hurt' him. Tszyu felt the punch, but did not lose his legs, his eyes were clear, and he was moving forward again within 10 seconds.It wasn't Judahs’ ace. His aces are direct left shot and left hook. That punch was just another shot that Zab landed. And Kostya KOed him by his real ace.

Kostya Tszyu starts off slow but eventually breaks down Zab. With power shots to the head..and body. Knocks out Zab in the 9th via KO

Why in th hell is anyone even comparing Judah to DLH and Trinidad? Just because B-Hop beat Tito doesn't mean Judah will. B-Hop had the power to keep Tito off him, Judah? Dunno, but I'm going to go with no. Comparing Judah to Tito and DLH is about as intelligent as what PBF is doing right now, comparing himself to the both of them. You guys are forgetting that Judah is what, about 5'7? ****ing DLH and Tito are both 5'11, they are both larger fighters naturally, and B-Hop is like 6'1 or 6'2 I think. A person can be a fan and still have an objective view of his fighter, as I think Judah is a great, very talented fighter, but if he goes up in weight anymore, he'll be at a distinct disadvantage where speed and reach are concerned. He's just fine at 140 or 147 tops. Trinidad can be solved by 2 ways: 1.tactics, 2.speed. Judah would win Tito in 147. He needs great discipline and with its help he probably could win Tito at Light Middleweight or Middleweight but if he could KO Tito at Welter, at Middle he only could get a victory by disicion. About the height I can tell you that Shane has big problems with tall opponents and however he won the DLH fights, but Judah hasn’t any problems with his opponents height.

when is judah gonna wake up and see that his career is over....he has a glass chin and it will be exposed in upcoming fights...mark me on this JUDAH OUT OF BOXING WITHIN 2 yearsIt’s a dark prophecy...Judah looses to all the major Jr welterweights and probably looses to Cintron or Margorito at welterweight. Judah will be KO'd again within his next 3 fights.Cintron has too small experince. And Margarito is a great warrior who could probably beat Tszyu also.I WASNT THE ONE THAT SAID JUDAH COULD BEAT TRINIDAD...run w knives said judah could beat trinidad I DIDN;t Why not? Tinidad needs a stationary opponent to demolish.Trinindads movement is just as good as Roy Jones'es rap and that is where Judah can capitalise by just pot shooting. but if he get careles and get caught he is ****ed. saying this I would still make Trinindad the favourite in this match up.If Judah get careless he would be crashed by many. It’s his doom.Tito is not that impressive as fighter? He only TKO'd Fernado Vargas, destroyed Mayorga, UD'd David Reid, MD Oscar De La Hoya, TKO 5 Williams Joppy, UD Pernell Whitaker in 1999, TKO 8 Oba "moter city" Carr, UD hector "macho" camacho in 1994, and made 15 successfull defences of the IBF Welterweight tile between 1993 and 2000, before unifying it with WBC by his victory over De La Hoya. Then vacated both belts and went to light middleweight. Where he won the Ligth middleweight title from Reid and defended it 4 times before loosing a a UD to hopkins (his only loss). He had both the WBA and IBF middleweight titles before loosing the UD to hopkins. Vargas was slow and comfortable for Tito. Mayorga smoked a lot but KDed him – perfect shaped Ricardo would KO Tito, Oscar gave him that victory, Whitaker was old and overweighted. Trinidad is a great fighter but Judah is more talented.
P.S. Hopkins KOed Trinidad.

Damn, what's with this Tinidad hate??? As for Judah, i think that Tszyu beats him again if they fight. I see Zab fighting very careful for half the fight, but Tszyu would catch up to him eventually and Knock him out. Tszyu just hits harder, and Zab's chin isn't concrete

Damn, what's with this Tinidad hate??? As for Judah, i think that Tszyu beats him again if they fight. I see Zab fighting very careful for half the fight, but Tszyu would catch up to him eventually and Knock him out. Tszyu just hits harder, and Zab's chin isn't concrete

I think its just the fact that Tito performed so terribly in his fight with Wright.

– perfect shaped Ricardo would KO Tito, .

Thats retarded. I dont know where you get such things.

Thats retarded. I dont know where you get such things.
LoL!

A perfectly shaped Mayorga... hahhaha

I wonder how good he would've been without smoking and drinking

LoL!

A perfectly shaped Mayorga... hahhaha

I wonder how good he would've been without smoking and drinking
I wonder how good he could have been if he actually knew the boxing basics.

I wonder how good he could have been if he actually knew the boxing basics.
exactly what I meant...

he seems to be in good shape for a partier

exactly what I meant...

he seems to be in good shape for a partier

I thought Larry Merchant "handily having a lighter ready" for Margarito to light his smoke was cheap and media pretentious.

I thought Larry Merchant "handily having a lighter ready" for Margarito to light his smoke was cheap and media pretentious.
what you mean by that?

what you mean by that?

Like Merchant was trying to look cool by lighting his cigarette.

Thats retarded. I dont know where you get such things.I think so because it was clear that Ricrardo has a lack of energy. He tired a lot in the middle rounds yet. He tired not because of Tito’s shots but because of his own intense style. He was not disciplined also as he was in the Forrest fight. However Mayorga was very good in the early ronds.LoL!

A perfectly shaped Mayorga... hahhaha

I wonder how good he would've been without smoking and drinkingDo you think that without smoking and drinking he never became world champ?:) May be:)I wonder how good he could have been if he actually knew the boxing basics.What do you mean? Are you talking about technique or tactics? I agree he boxes non-standart. But it’s his ace. And his tactics is very effective but requires a lot af energy. He don’t have this energy in each fight.

Mayorga is a very talented offensive boxer. Just like Trinidad. The difference between them is their abilities. Trinidad is disciplined and expected, he uses his opponent’s mistakes with mercyless of executioner. Mayorga is creative, unexpected, he can do something his opponent will not ready to.
Look at his series. They are unique. For example I have seen the pair of the left shots body-head FROM THE DISTANCE very very seldom and Mayorga does it.
He outclassed perfect-schooled Forrest.

Trinidad can be solved by 2 ways: 1.tactics, 2.speed. Judah would win Tito in 147. He needs great discipline and with its help he probably could win Tito at Light Middleweight or Middleweight but if he could KO Tito at Welter, at Middle he only could get a victory by disicion. About the height I can tell you that Shane has big problems with tall opponents and however he won the DLH fights, but Judah hasn’t any problems with his opponents height.

I agree with you about the way to solve Tito, but Judah IMO doesn't have the power to keep Tito from rushing in, and Tito has height, reach, and power, enough to KO 160lb. fighters. I agree he could win, but it would be a dangerous fight for him to take.

I agree with you about the way to solve Tito, but Judah IMO doesn't have the power to keep Tito from rushing in, and Tito has height, reach, and power, enough to KO 160lb. fighters. I agree he could win, but it would be a dangerous fight for him to take.
Of course, all games with Trinidad are dangerous:) If his opponents doesn’t have a confidence, tactics, perfect shape or lost concentration he will end a fight horizontal...

Mayorga is a very talented offensive boxer. Just like Trinidad. The difference between them is their abilities. Trinidad is disciplined and expected, he uses his opponent’s mistakes with mercyless of executioner. Mayorga is creative, unexpected, he can do something his opponent will not ready to.
Look at his series. They are unique. For example I have seen the pair of the left shots body-head FROM THE DISTANCE very very seldom and Mayorga does it.
He outclassed perfect-schooled Forrest.


I couldnt disagree more with that paragraph. For one...he is by no means unexpected or unpredictable. Spinks made him look foolish......and so did Forrest in the second fight. Vernon clearly won but was robbed. He holds victories over nobodies....Like Andrew Lewis, and was hyped up beyond his actual talent. You could not find a more 1 dimmensional fighter outside of Vasily Jirov....regarding Mayorga.

He is yet another H.B.O. creation much like Arturo Gatti...whom they contract with in order to recieve ratings. If they only showed the good fighters.......people might not want to watch the telecast. Instead they hype sluggers with no talent as their featured attraction.

I picked Tszyu over Judah because he is not just a hard puncher but a great technician as well. And admire his hardwork at training. Needless to say that he is quite humble for all his accomplishments.