View Full Version : Felix "TITO" Trinidad? DOES DON KING GO TO PLAN B?


borikua
01-04-2005, 07:37 PM
15 Rounds with Steve Kim (January 3, 2005)

As he turned the calendar to a new year, Don King thought he had finalized the first major pay-per-view show of 2005.

"Felix Trinidad was scheduled to fight on March 19th, everything was in order," said King of his Puerto Rican superstar, who was slated to face Winky Wrighton that date at the famed Madison Square Garden in New York. "The site was in order, (as was) the HBO deal - not one to my liking - however I had one more fight with them so I decided I would accept the offer and move forward with it. I got Papa Trinidad to go along and I would guarantee them the money myself in the event that it didn't do as good as HBO thought, by giving me a low ball figure. However I said, 'Let's go with it and start the new year out with a bang.'"

But this being boxing, nothing is quite settled. Least of which is Wright, who is still wavering on his financial demands and is reluctant to fight on that date.

"And then we get to Winky Wright and then Winky Wright is trying to do something, I don't know what Winky Wright's doing, to tell you the truth," admitted King from his offices in Florida. "But anyway, Winky Wright said he wouldn't fight on March 19th and so we're waiting now. We've moved off of March. Papa Trinidad's coming from his vacation, I'll let him know that Winky Wright wouldn't fight on March 19th.

"So either way, we'll have to go with Winky Wright or find another opponent."

King mentions that April 9th is the new date for Trinidad's latest foray into the ring. It'll be interesting to see if Wright and King can come to an agreement. Last year, in the wake of his first victory over Shane Mosley, Wright signed a promotional deal with King (along with everyone else in the sport, it seemed) that guaranteed him $5 million for a fight with Trinidad. King had reportedly begun negotiations for this match-up at $3 million and Wright was looking for something in the neighborhood of around $4 million.

But if Wright doesn't take on 'Tito', then King looks for other options.

"Felix Sturm, is in the offing," says King. "And you got Bernard Hopkins. If he gets through with his mandatory, we'll go right into Bernard Hopkins. We got Oscar De La Hoya. Richard Schaeffer, his man, called me up and said he wanted to do some type of global deal and we're on board for that if he wants to do it. But it's very difficult to believe anything he says, however, I'm not in the business of judging. Judge not, yet ye be judged."

Hopkins is scheduled to face Howard Eastman on February 19th, so the timing may not be right for that particular rematch to take place in April. But what may prevent Hopkins-Trinidad II from taking place is the past history of King and 'The Executioner' and the ongoing arbitration between the two.

But King says those things will not become an impediment to making that fight.

"Absolutely, absolutely, because I feel that 'Tito' deserves an opportunity for revenge," stated King, with conviction. "Bernard Hopkins has a signed contract to fight Felix Trinidad, which he reneged on, along with rejecting every offer that I gave him. And his lawyer was to blame because he interferes and interferes with my right to promote by writing letters to organizations calling for mandatories before they call for mandatories," explained King further, speaking of one Arnold Joseph.

"In other words, he's trying to police the organizations to keep Bernard fighting mandatories, which are political appointees - they're not according to my contract, they're not designated opponents by me."

After Hopkins's career defining win over Trinidad in September of 2001, he would embark on a series of relatively meaningless fights against a collection of mandatory challengers like Carl Daniels, Morrade Hakkar and William Joppy, instead of more high-profile opponents that King preferred.

The crux of the dispute between King and Hopkins is this: just who breached their contractual agreement?

Sources say that King's contract with Hopkins - which was a six-fight, three year deal, that started with the first two fights of the middleweight tournament of 2001- clearly stated that he had the right to designate any opponent of Hopkins at 160 pounds for a minimum of $1.5 million. Any opponent heavier than that had to meet the approval of Hopkins for the same minimum amount.

Hopkins was paid less than those amounts for his fights against Hakkar and Joppy for various reasons (such as Hopkins' insistence on the Hakkar fight taking place in Philadelphia), but only after King's attempts to make other, more attractive bouts fell through.

King says he tried in vain to make fights for Hopkins against the likes of Joe Calzaghe, Sven Ottke, and Ricardo Mayorga, and he attempted to enforce the rematch clause for another Trinidad fight.

"He found some excuse not to fight any of those people and always end up back with a mandatory," says King.

"An opponent designated by me, I will live up to my contract," explained King. "Opponents designated because of some political appointee, I don't even know who these guys are. I was terribly embarrassed with Hakkar as everyone else was - and then you go from Carl Daniels to Hakkar to this one and that one, HBO refusing - and justifiably so - that they weren't going to put up no money for mandatories, but it was a subterfuge on their part because no sooner than he was away from me, they jumped on board with him.

"It's the damnedest thing you've ever seen."

"I really don't understand that, but after they didn't want Bernard under no circumstance, they didn't want him on the network, he was iconoclastic, he was no good - until he left me," said a puzzled King. "Then all of a sudden he becomes a household name for them."

As for De La Hoya, who says he's migrating back down to welterweight, King says 'The Golden Boy' knows where the golden goose resides.

"Oscar knows that 'Tito's a middleweight, Oscar's just playing a game. He's more in line with promotional activities than he is for fighting activities," states King. "Because he got away with that swimming contest he had with Bernard and so he's ahead of the game but he really didn't help his fans. He lost a lot of credibility with his fans.

"However, that is my feeling; my feeling is that if Oscar gets in the ring, we'll go with him tomorrow."

As King looks to finalize an opponent for Trinidad, he still finds himself jostling with HBO. King, who has promoted the Puerto Rican throughout his career, has
one more Trinidad fight to give HBO before their contract expires.

King believes that HBO is trying to play a game of divide and conquer between him and the Trinidads.

"What I see here is a play to forge a wedge between Papa Trinidad and myself," he explains. "By this low ball figure - because they gave me a $10 million guarantee against Mayorga - they say they lost $600,000, which is nothing. If that's the case, because that was just on the preliminary readings, so you know they're going to get that $600,000, they ain't lost no money."

HBO has reportedly offered King a guarantee of $7.5 million for a Wright fight.

"But they go back with Klitschko and lose $3 million. But with me, $300,000, it's the end of the earth. And so I think what they're doing, they know I got a $10 million guarantee to Papa - but that's with opponents I choose, not with opponents Papa chooses," King explains. "Anybody I choose, like Oscar or Bernard, they automatically, you ain't got no questions, they get it.

"A Felix Sturm, they're going to get their guarantee. But if they're going to fight any of these other guys, there's going to be some kind of adjustment made in some kind of way and they got to come to the table. So they're depending on Papa being stubborn and hoping that they play their cards for Papa's emotions," said King, speaking of HBO, "so they can wedge a block and an impediment between me and Papa's relationship."

zoo
01-04-2005, 08:22 PM
rematch with Oscar would be best IMO.

borikua
01-04-2005, 08:26 PM
rematch with Oscar would be best IMO.

Nard first, then Oscar...

zoo
01-04-2005, 08:28 PM
Hopkins will school Tito just like he did a few years ago, not to mention it doesn't represent as much money. DLH is still a cash cow, and a rematch between them would settle and old score.

jack_the_rippuh
01-04-2005, 08:35 PM
Well there is always two sides of a story. I'd like to hear what people King mentioned in this interview or article have to say about what he says about them..

The sport of boxing is ruined with promoters..

borikua
01-04-2005, 08:41 PM
Hopkins will school Tito just like he did a few years ago, not to mention it doesn't represent as much money. DLH is still a cash cow, and a rematch between them would settle and old score.

Tito will kill ODLH and beat Nard by D. :cool:

trinidadpr87
01-04-2005, 08:43 PM
Tito will kill ODLH and beat Nard by D. :cool:
i agree but i think tito will beat nard by tko10.

zoo
01-04-2005, 08:47 PM
I'll agree that Tito can beat DLH right now, but he isn't going to beat Hopkins. Their first fight wasn't even close, it was a total blowout, a surgical destruction at the hands of Hopkins. Even if Tito has dramatically improved, it isn't enought to beat Hopkins

jack_the_rippuh
01-04-2005, 08:56 PM
I have yet to see what credible opponent Tito has faced to even possibly think about Bernard Hopkins, I also haven't seen a fight following the Trinidad fight where Bernard Hopkins look any weaker, if you ask me he just keeps getting better and better.. Don't believe me?The ask one boxing fan can they tell you when was Bernard Hopkins in his prime?

As for De La Hoya goes, I know my word has no weight, but I'm no longer interested in that match up. It's old news...it should have happened centuries ago...If the fight did happen it would be Trinidad by KO or De La Hoya by decision.

trinidadpr87
01-04-2005, 08:58 PM
I have yet to see what credible opponent Tito has faced to even possibly think about Bernard Hopkins, I also haven't seen a fight following the Trinidad fight where Bernard Hopkins look any weaker, if you ask me he just keeps getting better and better.. Don't believe me?The ask one boxing fan can they tell you when was Bernard Hopkins in his prime?

As for De La Hoya goes, I know my word has no weight, but I'm no longer interested in that match up. It's old news...it should have happened centuries ago...If the fight did happen it would be Trinidad by KO or De La Hoya by decision.
he aint looked weaker cause he's faced **** faces.

jack_the_rippuh
01-04-2005, 09:09 PM
he aint looked weaker cause he's faced **** faces.

What did he make Tito Trinidad look like in 2001 (a **** face, right)?

Tito has a good style for the weight division he is in. He has a weak chin but some serious power and alot of heart. If a fighter falls into the trap of trading with him to try to score a knock-out or a knockdown it is usually lights out..

Bernard Hopkins knows the key ingredient to defeating Tito Trinidad, which is don't stoop to his level. When it is all said and done, down the stretch you're going to see a Trinidad who keeps coming forward looking for a KO, and he's very easy pickings at that point. ('specially if he's asking his dad if he's winning the fight :D .)

borikua
01-04-2005, 09:10 PM
I have yet to see what credible opponent Tito has faced to even possibly think about Bernard Hopkins, I also haven't seen a fight following the Trinidad fight where Bernard Hopkins look any weaker, if you ask me he just keeps getting better and better.. Don't believe me?The ask one boxing fan can they tell you when was Bernard Hopkins in his prime?

As for De La Hoya goes, I know my word has no weight, but I'm no longer interested in that match up. It's old news...it should have happened centuries ago...If the fight did happen it would be Trinidad by KO or De La Hoya by decision.

I know that it's going to be hard for you to see you two fav fighters go down at the hands of two of the best PR fighters...Tito ko Nard within 9rds and Cotto fuks Floyd up within 7rds...

trinidadpr87
01-04-2005, 09:11 PM
I know that it's going to be hard for you to see you two fav fighters go down at the hands of two of the best PR fighters...Tito ko Nard within 9rds and Cotto fuks Floyd up within 7rds...
hard year for the rippuh. :D

Truth
01-04-2005, 09:21 PM
Trinidad and King should continue to push for the Winky Wright fight, but if he continues to be difficult they should move on and fight Felix Sturm.

borikua
01-04-2005, 09:29 PM
Trinidad and King should continue to push for the Winky Wright fight, but if he continues to be difficult they should move on and fight Felix Sturm.

But I heard that Sturm's Team said that they would like to make a few more fights b4 going against Tito...Don is suppossed to come to PR on the 10th to Tito's birthday and he should have the name of the opponent by then....I just hope that it ain't that Masoe guy...

trinidadpr87
01-04-2005, 09:33 PM
But I heard that Sturm's Team said that they would like to make a few more fights b4 going against Tito...Don is suppossed to come to PR on the 10th to Tito's birthday and he should have the name of the opponent by then....I just hope that it ain't that Masoe guy...
i hope it isn't either.masoe will get handled quick.

trinidadpr87
01-04-2005, 09:35 PM
maybe he'll fight a super middle but i doubt it.ya never no though.

Truth
01-04-2005, 09:37 PM
But I heard that Sturm's Team said that they would like to make a few more fights b4 going against Tito...Don is suppossed to come to PR on the 10th to Tito's birthday and he should have the name of the opponent by then....I just hope that it ain't that Masoe guy...

Hopfully Don King can convince Winky Wright to fight Tito in April. I want to see Tito against a high caliber fighter next too, not some bum that was put in at the last minute.

Hurlex
01-04-2005, 09:45 PM
i dont hate tito..i do hate that he turned into a ***** with the whole 2 year retirment crap (if he had more heart he wouls have not done that) and i dont like how he's waiting for hop to get old,to beat him,as if that will take the first fight away.

But i dont hate tito...the porblem is that there is not fight out ther including sturm,eastman or winky that can prepare him for hopkins....hopkins skills are second to none and everyone here knows that. SO i think tito will get Ko'ed even sooner this time around.

I say he goes for lacy like the planned..as we saw lacy isnt to good against boxers who move and stick and come ut....so tito would get a lot of money and it would be a mega fight.
But no doubt the tito/hopkins rematch will be great to see

Truth
01-04-2005, 09:52 PM
i dont hate tito..i do hate that he turned into a ***** with the whole 2 year retirment crap (if he had more heart he wouls have not done that) and i dont like how he's waiting for hop to get old,to beat him,as if that will take the first fight away.

But i dont hate tito...the porblem is that there is not fight out ther including sturm,eastman or winky that can prepare him for hopkins....hopkins skills are second to none and everyone here knows that. SO i think tito will get Ko'ed even sooner this time around.

I say he goes for lacy like the planned..as we saw lacy isnt to good against boxers who move and stick and come ut....so tito would get a lot of money and it would be a mega fight.
But no doubt the tito/hopkins rematch will be great to see
I like the idea of Tito vs. Lacy I think that would be an excitng fight.

Hurlex
01-04-2005, 09:55 PM
if lacy couldnt catch/ko shieka..hopkins would own lacy,school him and maybe even tko/ko him late

..but tito vs lacy...thats a great fight and don was looking at that seriously as a good poentional fight and still is

SweetScience
01-04-2005, 10:05 PM
Lacy would KO Tito and get a decision over Hopkins. He's too big for Tito and Hopkins will not keep up with Lacy. Hopkins gave DLH too much respect, I can imagine him making a dirty ass fight with Lacy. Btw, these fights will never happen.

BrooklynBomber
01-04-2005, 10:33 PM
Lacy would KO Tito and get a decision over Hopkins. He's too big for Tito and Hopkins will not keep up with Lacy. Hopkins gave DLH too much respect, I can imagine him making a dirty ass fight with Lacy. Btw, these fights will never happen.
Too true. And by the way just cause Lacy could not Ko Sheika does not mean he is a fraud. kid can punch. Its just he puts too much effort in his punches and therefore telegraphs them. This is the problem of many young fighters with a good punch. They just try to ko their opponent with each punch and not able to set up a devastating combo. I have seen many kids with similar problem in my gym. Lacy just needs to be more fluid with his punches

Hurlex
01-04-2005, 11:07 PM
i still sayhopkins skills are to much for lacy..lacy doesnt keep coming as rounds pass (he tires,mostly cuz of all that muscle) i say hopkins waits him out like dlh and ko's late or schools him from bell to bell

Chups
01-04-2005, 11:11 PM
Tito should wait 1 or 2 more years before facing Bernard...so he can get old. Hopkins is amazing at 40 yers old!!

trinidadpr87
01-04-2005, 11:14 PM
Tito should wait 1 or 2 more years before facing Bernard...so he can get old. Hopkins is amazing at 40 yers old!!
hopkins won't be fighting in 2 years.promised his mother he wouldn't fight past 40.

jswa17
01-04-2005, 11:14 PM
I think Tito can KO Hopkins! not tryin' to be a Tito nuthugger but u guys recall those punches landed on Hopkins by Robert Allen in their last match? u can argue that Hopkins got careless for a moment but if Tito catches him with those types of punches, he would at least wobble or even knock down Hopkins. I think this is very possible cuz Hopkins' speed, pressure, and reflexes are not what it used to be......

Floydmayweather
01-05-2005, 12:01 AM
Tito will not be Hopkins. Dlh gave a good effort but got caught by a bigger man. The best match for tito is against Dlh. I say Dlh uses his speed and reflexes to beat Tito down. He will not make the same mistake he made the first time. And he has more confidece after the Hopkins match even though he got caught. I say Dlh knocks tito out in 10. Just my opinion.

kborges
01-05-2005, 08:37 AM
Tito will not be Hopkins. Dlh gave a good effort but got caught by a bigger man. The best match for tito is against Dlh. I say Dlh uses his speed and reflexes to beat Tito down. He will not make the same mistake he made the first time. And he has more confidece after the Hopkins match even though he got caught. I say Dlh knocks tito out in 10. Just my opinion.
What you smokin? DLH will never beat Tito. Especially with them lame ass touch face combo. Tito will knock him out by 7. You know he's not going to run the second time around. Tito will also beat Hopkins in the rematch, maybe not by KO, but Hopkins will be hurt by the end of the fight.

pimpin2
01-05-2005, 10:33 AM
I think Winky will get a lil bit more money from King and the fight should go on because King knows there really isn't anyone out there for Tito to fight right now.

jack_the_rippuh
01-05-2005, 11:01 AM
What you smokin? DLH will never beat Tito. Especially with them lame ass touch face combo. Tito will knock him out by 7. You know he's not going to run the second time around. Tito will also beat Hopkins in the rematch, maybe not by KO, but Hopkins will be hurt by the end of the fight.


Well from what I can tell in the first fight, Hopkins did make Tito miss alot of his shots, but the ones what did land seemed to have no effect on Hopkins.

kborges
01-05-2005, 12:48 PM
Well from what I can tell in the first fight, Hopkins did make Tito miss alot of his shots, but the ones what did land seemed to have no effect on Hopkins.
Tito will land more punches the second time around. Tito will throw more punches. He will not be boxing the same way like he did in the first fight (trying just to get a knockout). Tito learned from his mistake and will not do it again.

truefan
01-05-2005, 02:45 PM
I have yet to see what credible opponent Tito has faced to even possibly think about Bernard Hopkins, I also haven't seen a fight following the Trinidad fight where Bernard Hopkins look any weaker, if you ask me he just keeps getting better and better.. Don't believe me?The ask one boxing fan can they tell you when was Bernard Hopkins in his prime?

As for De La Hoya goes, I know my word has no weight, but I'm no longer interested in that match up. It's old news...it should have happened centuries ago...If the fight did happen it would be Trinidad by KO or De La Hoya by decision.


Bernard Hopkins has fought nobodies for years. Hakkar, Robert Allen not once but THREE TIMES. As far as I am concerned, 3 of his championship fights were against worthy opponents. They were Tito, Joppy, and a smaller De la Hoya (which he should have beat). He gained nothing by that win but would have lost everything if would have lost. The early rounds of that fight, he was definitely losing. Now, he is going to be Eastman, which he is alright but Hopkins should win that fight. Should he fight Tito, Sturm, or Jermain Taylor, he loses terribly to one of those fighters!!!! He preys off of smaller fighters, but Taylor is stronger, and taller than he is and has a definite advantage. Tito, has a bigger punch and can hurt him at any given moment. Sturm is a mystery but everyone has seen his power and tremendous jab.

jack_the_rippuh
01-05-2005, 03:01 PM
Bernard Hopkins has fought nobodies for years. Hakkar, Robert Allen not once but THREE TIMES. As far as I am concerned, 3 of his championship fights were against worthy opponents. They were Tito, Joppy, and a smaller De la Hoya (which he should have beat). He gained nothing by that win but would have lost everything if would have lost. The early rounds of that fight, he was definitely losing. Now, he is going to be Eastman, which he is alright but Hopkins should win that fight. Should he fight Tito, Sturm, or Jermain Taylor, he loses terribly to one of those fighters!!!! He preys off of smaller fighters, but Taylor is stronger, and taller than he is and has a definite advantage. Tito, has a bigger punch and can hurt him at any given moment. Sturm is a mystery but everyone has seen his power and tremendous jab.

You're failing to see that most of the "bums" (as you people call them) Bernard Hopkins has faced were mandatories and that's because he doesn't want to be stripped of any of his belts. Bernard Hopkins fought Robert Allen the third time, because that was his mandatory, he fought him the second time, because the first fight had to come to an early end as a result of the referee's mistake. The Middleweight division isn't a deep division to begin anyway. Bernard Hopkins fought everyone there is to fight in that division, except Sturm and Taylor, but I can tell you that Taylor's people don't want a fight with Bernard Hopkins, they're more interested in beating up washed up vets. As far as you saying Tito can hurt Bernard Hopkins at any given moment. Can you point out any point in their first fight where Bernard Hopkins showed he couldn't take a Trinidad punch. If I remember correctly it was Trinidad who was shook up in the 8th, hurt bad in the 10th, and put to sleep in the 12th..

Your only reasonable argument is that he hasn't fought Sturm, and we'll just see what 2005 may bring..

Truth
01-05-2005, 03:03 PM
You're failing to see that most of the "bums" (as you people call them) Bernard Hopkins has faced were mandatories and that's because he doesn't want to be stripped of any of his belts. Bernard Hopkins fought Robert Allen the third time, because that was his mandatory, he fought him the second time, because the first fight had to come to an early end as a result of the referee's mistake. The Middleweight division isn't a deep division to begin anyway. Bernard Hopkins fought everyone there is to fight in that division, except Sturm and Taylor, but I can tell you that Taylor's people don't want a fight with Bernard Hopkins, they're more interested in beating up washed up vets. As far as you saying Tito can hurt Bernard Hopkins at any given moment. Can you point out any point in their first fight where Bernard Hopkins showed he couldn't take a Trinidad punch. If I remember correctly it was Trinidad who was shook up in the 8th, hurt bad in the 10th, and put to sleep in the 12th..

Your only reasonable argument is that he hasn't fought Sturm, and we'll just see what 2005 may bring..

Exactly, Hopkins fought the mandatories to keep his belts otherwise he wouldn't have bothered with those fighters.

borikua
01-05-2005, 04:22 PM
Felix Trinidad will not be fighting on March 19 as originally planned according to El Nuevo Dia. Team Trinidad had planned to face 154lb champion Winky Wright on that date, but negotiations for that bout have stalled, prompting Tito to tentatively move his next fight to April 9. Top Rank is now poised to grab the March 19 HBO date for Miguel Cotto to likely face DeMarcus Corley. The paper also reported that Diobelys Hurtado will appear on the January 22 Mayweather-Bruseles card and Zahir Raheem will be on the February 26 Pacquiao-Marquez card.
Wednesday, January 5 2005

Mr. Ryan
01-05-2005, 06:09 PM
rematch with Oscar would be best IMO.
How about Roy Jones-Bernard Hopkins rematch? Oscar is finished and I fear for his safety against Trinidad.

brickhouse187
01-05-2005, 07:32 PM
I believe if Tito was to face DLHYA he would win ,but if he were to face Hopkins he would be knocked out again but much earlier.

Mr. Ryan
01-05-2005, 07:34 PM
I believe if Tito was to face DLHYA he would win ,but if he were to face Hopkins he would be knocked out again but much earlier.
I think Hopkins should fight Mosley. We all saw Hopkins beat a couple of welterweights, but how would he fair against a lightweight?

borikua
01-05-2005, 09:13 PM
By Alessandro Ferrarini
While fellow top middleweights Jermain Taylor and Tito Trinidad are still without official date and site for their next outing, German contender Felix Sturm (22-1; 10KOs) has a booked engagement on March 5 at the Wilhelm Dopatka Halle in Leverkusen, Germany. The soon-to-be 26 Sturm will defend his WBO I/C crown at 160 lbs against an opponent to be announced later. His fight will be aired live on German terrestrial network ZDF and will be promoted by Universum.
Wednesday, January 5 2005

trinidadpr87
01-05-2005, 09:22 PM
By Alessandro Ferrarini
While fellow top middleweights Jermain Taylor and Tito Trinidad are still without official date and site for their next outing, German contender Felix Sturm (22-1; 10KOs) has a booked engagement on March 5 at the Wilhelm Dopatka Halle in Leverkusen, Germany. The soon-to-be 26 Sturm will defend his WBO I/C crown at 160 lbs against an opponent to be announced later. His fight will be aired live on German terrestrial network ZDF and will be promoted by Universum.
Wednesday, January 5 2005
i hope don king finds a fight for tito so he won't retire.i think he'll give winky the extra money.

borikua
01-05-2005, 09:49 PM
i hope don king finds a fight for tito so he won't retire.i think he'll give winky the extra money.


nah, he has a two year two fights per yr contract with don so he wont retire, Tito gets at least 10 mill per fight plus ppv cut...

bandito
01-05-2005, 10:23 PM
I'll agree that Tito can beat DLH right now, but he isn't going to beat Hopkins. Their first fight wasn't even close, it was a total blowout, a surgical destruction at the hands of Hopkins. Even if Tito has dramatically improved, it isn't enought to beat Hopkins

i'll tell you this. tito put up a way better showing against hopkins than oscar did!! he took more of a beating and gave back way more. he didn't run. but i think a rematch with hopkins would be a different outcome. but i hope we get a chance to see that proven or unproven. and tito would destroy oscar. that fight won't happen anymore. oscar is done at middle and maybe even jr middle!!

now on to winky. he lost his chance. all this talk about wanting trinidad and now he says no!! what the hell!! he is going to get $4 million. yeah, he deserves a little more than that but he needs to realize tito is the draw and he won't make that much money with anyone else!! nobody. including hopkins!! tito don't need winky, winky needs tito. this is a very, very dangerous fight for tito and he is willing to take that challenge but winky all of a sudden says no!! move on tito. winky is still my number one choice for april, cuz that is the fight i want to see by far!! but if not, then fight someone else!! winky, u just lost your payday and ur huge shot against a superstar!! mosley wasn't ur superstar, well not nearly as big as tito. u messed up winky!! hopefully he realizes that real soon and takes the fight. step up and back up ur talk winky!!

eddog2
03-10-2005, 02:42 PM
You have got to be out of your mind. A more seasoned Trinidad will come back more hungry and better then ever. Hopkins will come back a little older with not much left in the tank. It will be Trinidad landing the big body shots this time.

BBFM
03-10-2005, 03:49 PM
if tito could be oscar then rematch i dont think he can but if he did then bernard.

ottoevans
03-10-2005, 06:51 PM
Tito should fight oscar istead of B-Hop. Because Tito would get a huge pay day against Oscar and he will lose because he was outboxed, if he fights B-Hop the pay wont be that much and he will KO. I think he should choose to lose by decision and get money than get no money an get Ko again.

Tha Greatest
03-10-2005, 06:55 PM
please no rematch with DLH
at this time of their careers
Tito would beat DLH easily especially at Middleweight where Oscar sucks at...
How about fighting Hopkins, Wright, Taylor, Sturm, etc.

ottoevans
03-10-2005, 06:58 PM
even if Oscar faught at middleweight he would still way faster than Tito and thats the reason he wont the 1st time.