I keep hearing people say he was a great striker but would get beat once you take him to the ground...this is incorrect. Bruce Lee incorporated Jui Jitsu and it's techniques into Jeet Kune Do. Remember Jeet Kune Do took from all different styles techniques that work, and condensed it into one artform. I have met a couple of Jeet Kune Do stylist and they know how to fight on the ground as well as stand.

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Is this some kind of joke? **looks around** Is this guy joking?

Is this some kind of joke? **looks around** Is this guy joking?

LMAO, guess the only way to find out is to dig him up and see if he can sub me..

Is this some kind of joke? **looks around** Is this guy joking?



Not joking at all...people think that Bruce Lee fought in real life the way he did in his movies. His real life fighting was totally different. In real life he did not kick above the waist and he also used ground tactics, this is written about. Jeet Kune Do is a combination of all styles not just striking, standing styles.

There about 30 something grappling "techniques" in Jeet Kune Do... Some are takedowns and joint locks to chokes.... HAHAHAHA!!!

There about 30 something grappling "techniques" in Jeet Kune Do... Some are takedowns and joint locks to chokes.... HAHAHAHA!!!



Your point being?

Your point being?

Nevermind, young man. Continue with your wonderful thread.

Nevermind, young man. Continue with your wonderful thread.


it is not necessary to know hundreds of jiu jitsu holds...many of them are not practical.

it is not necessary to know hundreds of jiu jitsu holds...many of them are not practical.

Name one non practical hold.

Name one non practical hold.

ok here is one...someone comes behind you and grabs the back of your gi collar...you shift behind him and grab his head, knee to the chest and chop the back of his head...this is an actual traditional jiu jitsu move...in real life who the **** is gonna come up behind you and grab your collar.



and a lot of the gi chokes are not street practical either

ok here is one...someone comes behind you and grabs the back of your gi collar...you shift behind him and grab his head, knee to the chest and chop the back of his head...this is an actual traditional jiu jitsu move...in real life who the **** is gonna come up behind you and grab your collar.



and a lot of the gi chokes are not street practical either

Chop and knee in BJJ? Right.

BJJ is a sport, young man. So is MMA... Jeet kune do is a martial art that has many techniques that in theory might work. Jeet Kune Do grappling techniques are obsolete, so obsolete that they have been dropped from most schools that still teach JKD.

For example: www.wayofnoway.com here in NJ. Armando Basulto teaches JKD and Savate for stand up and BJJ for ground work.

JKD is a martial art for martial artists... As a sport (MMA) does not work.

Chop and knee in BJJ? Right.

BJJ is a sport, young man. So is MMA... Jeet kune do is a martial art that has many techniques that in theory might work. Jeet Kune Do grappling techniques are obsolete, so obsolete that they have been dropped from most schools that still teach JKD.

For example: www.wayofnoway.com here in NJ. Armando Basulto teaches JKD and Savate for stand up and BJJ for ground work.

JKD is a martial art for martial artists... As a sport (MMA) does not work.



In traditional Jiu Jitsu there are chops and knees.

In traditional Jiu Jitsu there are chops and knees.

Sir, this is not a traditional Martial arts forum. It's MMA, the sport... Most MMA fans and practicioners know waht works... BJJ is JJ perfected and made a sport.

You won't find many people in here who practice traditional MAs.

PS: Bruce Lee or any JKD purist wouldn't last 5 minutes against a BJJ blue belt or a sub wrestler with a year of experience.

Sir, this is not a traditional Martial arts forum. It's MMA, the sport... Most MMA fans and practicioners know waht works... BJJ is JJ perfect and made a sport.

You won't find many people in here who practice traditional MAs.

PS: Bruce Lee or any JKD purist wouldn't last 5 minutes against a BJJ blue belt or a sub wrestler with a year of experience.



I was talking about Traditional Jiu Jitsu.

P.S. It depends on the person...and it depends on the environment. the street and the ring are two different stories. I roll with some people with sport Jiu Jitsu and some are better than me on the ground as far as locks go. But when we practice with strikes on the ground I whip their ass everytime.So yes Bruce Lee may lose to a BJJ stylists in the ring...but that does not mean he would lose on the street.

ok here is one...someone comes behind you and grabs the back of your gi collar...you shift behind him and grab his head, knee to the chest and chop the back of his head...this is an actual traditional jiu jitsu move...in real life who the **** is gonna come up behind you and grab your collar.



and a lot of the gi chokes are not street practical either

How many people do you know that walk down the street wearign a gi waiting for someone to choke them???
Bruce lee didnt' have any ground skills that we see today, maybe a sweep or 2 and the armbar but thats about it..
Watched a documentary on him and in one film, the one with wilt the stilt, Bruce lee had 3friends with him and they had to fight various opponents individually, one opponent was a joint lock and ground game specialist, anyway, bruce lee didnt' end up fighting the guy in the movie for the fact that during rehearsels, the joint lock guy was trying to teach bruce as they were filming adn it wasn't really working, so bruce allowed one of the other guys to fight him, but of course, bruce finished him off..

So if bruce did have knowledge of these things, he didn't show it during filming of that movie..

Thus comming to my conclusion that bruce had a very limited groundgame at best..

How many people do you know that walk down the street wearign a gi waiting for someone to choke them???
Bruce lee didnt' have any ground skills that we see today, maybe a sweep or 2 and the armbar but thats about it..
Watched a documentary on him and in one film, the one with wilt the stilt, Bruce lee had 3friends with him and they had to fight various opponents individually, one opponent was a joint lock and ground game specialist, anyway, bruce lee didnt' end up fighting the guy in the movie for the fact that during rehearsels, the joint lock guy was trying to teach bruce as they were filming adn it wasn't really working, so bruce allowed one of the other guys to fight him, but of course, bruce finished him off..

So if bruce did have knowledge of these things, he didn't show it during filming of that movie..

Thus comming to my conclusion that bruce had a very limited groundgame at best..



I will just give you a quote which was in fact stated by Bruce Lee and you be the judge: Bruce Lee said:



"Any person who trains in boxing and wrestling for one year can defeat any traditional martial artist."

WTF does that have to do with his groundgame??

That comment has to be more specific, boxer vs muaythai with muaythai rules, boxer leaves in a speeding ambulance..

Look how successful some of the boxers are that fight in K1(that's kickboxing, sometimes mma)
Francois both aint doing too well, and butter bean got subbed in an MMA match..

PS: Bruce Lee or any JKD purist wouldn't last 5 minutes against a BJJ blue belt or a sub wrestler with a year of experience.
I'd have to disagree. Larry Heartsell developed the Grappling range for Bruce Lee. He was the star grappler of the bunch that continued to train with Bruce at his home once he shut down the schools and only took in a select few. I guarantee if you ever had a seminar with Larry, you;d change your opinion.

I'm not knockin BJJ either, i'm just saying that to say a Blue Belt would dominate any JKD purist is kind of far fetched.

JKD was made like 30yrs ago or so its like mma but it never evolved since bruce lee died its like sambo or any "complete" fighting style JKD uses alot of boxing/muaythai/wrestling/judo/jiu jitsu/self defense technique
it's pretty complete but never evolved fully it was the first martial art where they sparred for real with gloves and head gear etc... its not "dance" type of martial art

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Chop and knee in BJJ? Right.

BJJ is a sport, young man. So is MMA... Jeet kune do is a martial art that has many techniques that in theory might work. Jeet Kune Do grappling techniques are obsolete, so obsolete that they have been dropped from most schools that still teach JKD.

For example: www.wayofnoway.com here in NJ. Armando Basulto teaches JKD and Savate for stand up and BJJ for ground work.

JKD is a martial art for martial artists... As a sport (MMA) does not work.


Mr. Beelzebub is apparently clueless about the origins of BJJ. BJJ came directly from Judo. There isn't a single technique in BJJ that isn't done in Judo. And Judo IS a traditional martial art.
And the idea that traditional martial arts are theoretical is ignorant. Techniques in traditional martial arts were developed thousands of years ago from real fighting and killing. If a chop to the neck knocked out a man, it was recorded and practiced. If a kick to the knee crippled a man, it was recorded and practiced. The effectiveness of a traditional martial art depends entirely on the effectiveness of the practitioner.

Mr. Beelzebub is apparently clueless about the origins of BJJ. BJJ came directly from Judo. There isn't a single technique in BJJ that isn't done in Judo. And Judo IS a traditional martial art.


HAHAHAHA!!!

BJJ comes from Judo... Post of the year.

www.bjj.org

PS: BJJ stands for Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

Oh yeah:

Judo is many things to different people. It is a fun sport, an art, a discipline, a recreational or social activity, a fitness program, a means of self-defense or combat, and a way of life. It is all of these and more.

Kodokan Judo comes to us from the fighting system of feudal Japan. Founded in 1882 by Dr. Jigoro Kano, Judo is a refinement of the ancient martial art of Jujutsu. Dr. Kano, President of the University of Education, Tokyo, studied these ancient forms and integrated what he considered to be the best of their techniques into what is now the modern sport of Judo.

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Jiu jitsu is the father of Judo and even Hapkido.

BJJ or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is Traditional JJ "perfected" by Helio and the Gracies.

HAHAHAHA!!!

BJJ comes from Judo... Post of the year.

www.bjj.org

PS: BJJ stands for Brazilian Jiu Jitsu


The link you sent even explains that the Gracies were taught by a judo master.

The following excerpt was written by Judo Master Kimura. He writes of the events leading up to his bout with Helio Gracie 55 years ago.


One day, Helio Gracie, judo 6th dan, issued a challenge to us. The rule of the bout was different from that of judo or pro wrestling. The winner was decided by submission only. No matter how cleanly a throw is executed or how long Osaekomi lasts, it does not count. He issued a challenge to Kato 5th dan first. The gong rang. Kato was in good condition, and threw Helio a number of times. However, past 15 minute mark, I started to see frustration in Kato's face. The throws had no damage on Helio since the mat was soft. At 30 min mark, it was evident that Kato was tired. "What's the matter, Kato, go to Newaza, don't stand up!" Japanese audience yelled. Kato then threw Helio down by O-soto-gari, mounted on Helio, and started Juji-jime. The audience roared with excitement. But, as I watched carefully, Helio was also applying a choke from below. They were trying to choke out each other. This lasted about 3 or 4 minutes. Kato's face started to turn pale. I shouted, "Stop!" to the referee, and jumped into the ring. When Helio released his hands, Kato collapsed onto the mat, face first. Two days after this bout, I saw Helio's students marching down a city street carrying a coffin. They were shouting, "Dead Japanese judoka Kato is in this coffin. He got killed by Helio. We ask your support for Judo Master Helio Gracie!"

The following is what Kimura wrote of his contest with Helio Gracie.


20,000 people came to see the bout including President of Brazil. Helio was 180cm and 80kg. When I entered the stadium, I found a coffin. I asked what it was. I was told, "This is for Kimura. Helio brought this in." It was so funny that I almost burst into laughter. As I approached the ring, raw eggs were thrown at me. The gong rang. Helio grabbed me in both lapels, and attacked me with O-soto-gari and Kouchi-gari. But they did not move me at all. Now it's my turn. I blew him away up in the air by O-uchi-gari, Harai-goshi, Uchimata, Ippon-seoi. At about 10 minute mark, I threw him by O-soto-gari. I intended to cause a concussion. But since the mat was so soft that it did not have much impact on him. While continuing to throw him, I was thinking of a finishing method. I threw him by O-soto-gari again. As soon as Helio fell, I pinned him by Kuzure-kami-shiho-gatame. I held still for 2 or 3 minutes, and then tried to smother him by belly. Helio shook his head trying to breathe. He could not take it any longer, and tried to push up my body extending his left arm. That moment, I grabbed his left wrist with my right hand, and twisted up his arm. I applied Udegarami. I thought he would surrender immediately. But Helio would not tap the mat. I had no choice but keep on twisting the arm. The stadium became quiet. The bone of his arm was coming close to the breaking point. Finally, the sound of bone breaking echoed throughout the stadium. Helio still did not surrender. His left arm was already powerless. Under this rule, I had no choice but twist the arm again. There was plenty of time left. I twisted the left arm again. Another bone was broken. Helio still did not tap. When I tried to twist the arm once more, a white towel was thrown in. I won by TKO. My hand was raised high. Japanese Brazilians rushed into the ring and tossed me up in the air. On the other hand, Helio let his left arm hang and looked very sad withstanding the pain.

Judo evolved from jiu jitsu, captain. Not the other way around, ask anybody.

"Kodokan Judo comes to us from the fighting system of feudal Japan. Founded in 1882 by Dr. Jigoro Kano, Judo is a refinement of the ancient martial art of Jujutsu."

from www.bjj.org:
"In 1914 a Japanese Judo and jiu-jitsu master named Mitsuo Maeda (called Count Koma) came to Brazil. In return for help from the Brazilian politician Gastao Gracie, Koma taught jiu-jitsu to Gastao's son Carlos. Carlos in turn taught his brothers (most notably Helio). They went on to further refine the art via constant no-rules competition, developing what is now known as Gracie Jiu-Jitsu"

Judo evolved from jiu jitsu, captain. Not the other way around, ask anybody.

"Kodokan Judo comes to us from the fighting system of feudal Japan. Founded in 1882 by Dr. Jigoro Kano, Judo is a refinement of the ancient martial art of Jujutsu."


This is true. But you're confusing Japanese and Brazilian jiu jitsu. From the samurai came disarming and grappling techniques of jiu jitsu. From jiu jitsu came aikido and judo. From judo came brazilian jiu jitsu. Judo used to be known as jiu jitsu, so you're confused.

From Wikipedia:

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) is a sophisticated extension of pre-1925 Kodokan Judo (known then as jiu-jitsu). It arrived in Brazil when Mitsuyo Maeda first brought it with him during his visit to Brazil with the hopes of establishing a Japanese colony/community in the country. It was further developed by the Gracie family during the mid-20th century. The primary difference between Judo, Japanese Jujitsu, and Brazilian jiu-jitsu is the focus on ground fighting and ground grappling. In addition, like Judo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu encourages "randori" or free sparring against a live, resisting opponent. Thus, students have an opportunity to test their skills and develop them under realistic conditions, with minimal risk of injury.

Actually the japs taught it to the brazilians check this out..

Jiu-Jitsu, translated as 'the gentle art,' is the oldest form of martial art. It has also been defined with terms like yielding, softness, subtleness, and pliability. Its origins date back to India more than 2,000 years before Christ. From there it spread throughout Asia and eventually settled in Japan.
In 1914, Japanese Jiu-Jitsu champion Esai Maeda arrived in Brazil to help establish a Japanese immigration colony. Once in Brazil he was aided by Gastao Gracie, a Brazilian scholar and politician of Scottish decent. To show his gratitude, the oriental master taught the ancient secrets of that ancient fighting style to Gastao's son, Carlos Gracie. Carlos taught Maeda's techniques to his brothers: Oswaldo, Gastao, Jorge and Helio and in 1925 they opened the first Jiu-Jitsu Academy in Botafogo, a district of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. This is where the brothers, prompted by Carlos, essentially designed and laid the foundation for 'Brazilian' Jiu-Jitsu.

Here's the link it goes on to tell about the machado bros and how BJJ, judo and aikido were developed from the teachings of Jiu-jitsu..
http://www.academybjj.com/jj_history.html

just bored, found this :dunce:

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/652/