Rahman seeks normal split!
Steve Nelson, manager of WBC heavyweight champion Hasim Rahman has written WBC President Sulaiman and the WBC Board of Governors, objecting to a petition by promoter Dan Goossen on behalf of James Toney to change the mandated purse bid split from 75/25 in favor of the champion to 50/50 due to the 'high marketability' of Toney. "We call for the WBC Board of Governors to uphold your existing rule which provides for a 75/25 split in favor of your champion," wrote Nelson. "We firmly believe that there is no reason to financially reward James Toney while penalizing your champion, Hasim Rahman.....The WBC has been more than generous in rewarding James Toney by designating him as Hasim Rahman’s mandatory challenger. The elevation of James Toney to madatory challenger is more than enough reward for James Toney who you elevated in the rankings from number five to number two without the benefit of beating a ranked boxer. In fact, there is no precedent to award a percentage change under these circumstances. There is no need to reward him further especially in light of his steroid abuse..."
Tuesday, December 6 2005

Rahman may seem to have a bit of a point...

but Rahman isn't the bigger name either...nor has Rahman really done anything since Lewis I

50-50 is where it should be at...or 60-40 with the winner taking the bigger split

Who cares about the money? Once Toney whups Rahman's ass he's gonna be able to make all sorts of money from the belt

it should be 60-40 to be fair to all, toney doesnt deserve 50-50 say whatever u want but he was found using roids and he was banned from fighting the wba hes getting a wbc title shot that is good enough for him, however he is marketable and 60-40 would be good, on the other hand rahman was handed the title but he still is champ 75-25 is to much for rahman, 60-40 will be fair for both guys....

Let me get this straight, Toney leaps ahead of Maskaev by doing nothing and he demands half. :eek:

Let me get this straight, Toney leaps ahead of Maskaev by doing nothing and he demands half. :eek:

Do you not understand that Toney is the biggest name in the heavyweight division? Wait...THE ONLY NAME. Toney gets at least half no matter who he fights, no question about it. This isn't a Mayweather-Judah situation where nobody outside of boxing knows who they are. People know James Toney and people will pay to see him fight. You need to get with the program and stop hating on Toney.

But hey, maybe Rahman will wait on the Toney fight and get revenge against Maskaev first. I'd be cool with that. KO Maskaev and fight Toney.

Do you not understand that Toney is the biggest name in the heavyweight division? Wait...THE ONLY NAME. Toney gets at least half no matter who he fights, no question about it. This isn't a Mayweather-Judah situation where nobody outside of boxing knows who they are. People know James Toney and people will pay to see him fight. You need to get with the program and stop hating on Toney.

But hey, maybe Rahman will wait on the Toney fight and get revenge against Maskaev first. I'd be cool with that. KO Maskaev and fight Toney.
If he is the only name in the division, then you must not get out much.

Let me get this straight, Toney leaps ahead of Maskaev by doing nothing and he demands half. :eek:

Granted Toney hasn't done a lot in the Heavyweight division, but he's still better known than most boxers at HW these days. I also don't get what the big deal about Maskaev is. Every good piece of competition he's faced he's lost to with the exception of Rahman.

Granted Toney hasn't done a lot in the Heavyweight division, but he's still better known than most boxers at HW these days. I also don't get what the big deal about Maskaev is. Every good piece of competition he's faced he's lost to with the exception of Rahman.
Because Maskaev fought in a sactioned WBC eliminator and won, then was passed over by Toney who has done nothing. But it's not that big of a deal. :rolleyes:

Rahman may seem to have a bit of a point...

but Rahman isn't the bigger name either...nor has Rahman really done anything since Lewis I

50-50 is where it should be at...or 60-40 with the winner taking the bigger split
Good idea I agree.

Because Maskaev fought in a sactioned WBC eliminator and won, then was passed over by Toney who has done nothing. But it's not that big of a deal. :rolleyes:

We've been over this before. And as a fight fan, not a boxer myself, I don't give a ****... and neither should anybody else looking to actually see a good match.

If he is the only name in the division, then you must not get out much.

Name another heavyweight a non-boxing fan has heard of. Just one. I can't wait to hear this.

Name another heavyweight a non-boxing fan has heard of. Just one. I can't wait to hear this.
Who gives a **** about non fight fans. :rolleyes:

Name one. You said Toney wasn't the only name. Prove it. Name ONE. Can it really be THAT hard? :rolleyes:

We've been over this before. And as a fight fan, not a boxer myself, I don't give a ****... and neither should anybody else looking to actually see a good match.
You must have missed Makaev/Rahman 1.

Still waitin on ya, BadBlood. Don't make a statement you can't back up. :boxing:

Name one. You said Toney wasn't the only name. Prove it. Name ONE. Can it really be THAT hard? :rolleyes:
Chris Byrd
John Ruiz
Wladamir Klitschko
Lamon Brewster
Calvin Brock
JC Gomez
Nikolay Valuev
Sam Peter
Oleg Maskaev

Still waitin on ya, BadBlood. Don't make a statement you can't back up. :boxing:
Jesus Christ dude. :eek:

Chris Byrd
John Ruiz
Wladamir Klitschko
Lamon Brewster
Calvin Brock
JC Gomez
Nikolay Valuev
Sam Peter
Oleg Maskaev

LOL, you ever heard ANY of their names on ESPN?! Ever seen them discussed in a Sports Illustrated? Have their names ever made your local newspaper?! LMAO

You must have missed Makaev/Rahman 1.

Maskaev/Rahman 2 would be pointless. That's just it. I don't want to see either fighter on top because neither deserve it. Toney is better than both, regardless of a title elimnator bout, and I want to see this fight... along with any other fight fans who are sick of bull **** matchups.

You have failed, young one.

LOL, you ever heard ANY of their names on ESPN?! Ever seen them discussed in a Sports Illustrated? Have their names ever made your local newspaper?! LMAO
Oh lord you really are a heavyweight n00b. :eek:

If he is the only name in the division, then you must not get out much.


So says an Oleg Maskeav Nut hugger. :rolleyes:


You must have missed Makaev/Rahman 1.

That was 1999. SIX years ago.


Because Maskaev fought in a sactioned WBC eliminator and won, then was passed over by Toney who has done nothing. But it's not that big of a deal. :rolleyes:

LOL!

Toney has done nothing, but Maskeav has?

You just keep getting more and more hilarious with these ignorant comments.

So says an Oleg Maskeav Nut hugger. :rolleyes:




LOL!

Toney has done nothing, but Maskeav has?

You just keep getting more and more hilarious with these ignorant comments.
Maskaev won a sanctioned WBC title eliminator, what more can I say.

Maskaev won a sanctioned WBC title eliminator, what more can I say.

That you think that means anything or is worth half a damn.

That only adds to the overall humor.

Name one. You said Toney wasn't the only name. Prove it. Name ONE. Can it really be THAT hard? :rolleyes:

Toney isn't a name to non-fight fans either, I've asked around and nobody knows who he is. In fact, they didn't even know of any heavyweight champs since Tyson! Granted, Toney is by far the better fighter of the two, and is more marketable due to his antics, but he is far from being well known by anyone besides hard-core boxing fans.

Like I said before, who cares about non fight fans, or fairweather fight fans.

Like I said before, who cares about non fight fans, or fairweather fight fans.

The sanctioning bodies in boxing have been ****ing fans for years. for one am glad to see they say **** the rules for a moment and actually put up a fight somebody will want to watch. Good for them.

Like I said before, who cares about non fight fans, or fairweather fight fans.


You proved in that other thread you made whining about this fight that your agenda and motivation is that of someone who's a Maskaev nut hugger.

I explained to you at length that Maskaev had done NOTHING to legitimatly earn a top ten ranking from any organization, and that his being inserted into the title picture does nothing but add unnecessary delays as title holders face mandatories who are there as a result of BS politics.

You stick your fingers in your ears and just repeat that he won the #1 (BS) ranking, and continue to illustrate that you swing from Maskaev's nuts.

No one cares about Maskeav, and he's rightfully not getting the shot.

Time to let it go and move on.

So says an Oleg Maskeav Nut hugger. :rolleyes:




That was 1999. SIX years ago.




LOL!

Toney has done nothing, but Maskeav has?

You just keep getting more and more hilarious with these ignorant comments.
I would say the same thing if it was to happen to any other fighter.

You proved in that other thread you made whining about this fight that your agenda and motivation is that of someone who's a Maskaev nut hugger.

I explained to you at length that Maskaev had done NOTHING to legitimatly earn a top ten ranking from any organization, and that his being inserted into the title picture does nothing but add unnecessary delays as title holders face mandatories who are there as a result of BS politics.

You stick your fingers in your ears and just repeat that he won the #1 (BS) ranking, and continue to illustrate that you swing from Maskaev's nuts.

No one cares about Maskeav, and he's rightfully not getting the shot.

Time to let it go and move on.
F-A-I-R-W-E-A-T-H-E-R fight fan.

F-A-I-R-W-E-A-T-H-E-R fight fan.


I'm a fan of the right thing happening for the sport.

You're a fan of BS politics happening when it benifits an undeserving fighter you happen to like.

This was proved at length in that other thread.

I'm a fan of the right thing happening for the sport.

You're a fan of BS politics happening when it benifits an undeserving fighter you happen to like.

This was proved at length in that other thread.
F-A-I-R-W-E-A-T-H-E-R fight fan.

F-A-I-R-W-E-A-T-H-E-R fight fan.

I'm a fan of the right thing happening for the sport.

You're a fan of BS politics happening when it benifits an undeserving fighter you happen to like.

This was proved at length in that other thread.

I'm a fan of the right thing happening for the sport.

You're a fan of BS politics happening when it benifits an undeserving fighter you happen to like.

This was proved at length in that other thread.
You are a n00b fight fan that knows nothing about this sport.

You are a n00b fight fan that knows nothing about this sport.


Your unfounded and childish attempts at insults do nothing to take away from the fact that you're a fan of BS politics happening when it benifits an undeserving fighter you happen to like.



Don't get me wrong, I think it's hilarious you're trying to paint me as the one who has it in for the sport when you're advocating an undeserving Maskaev to get a title shot and hold the division up another 6 months.

Hopefully "fans" like you will go out with the sanctioning bodies.

Your unfounded and childish attempts at insults do nothing to take away from the fact that you're a fan of BS politics happening when it benifits an undeserving fighter you happen to like.



Don't get me wrong, I think it's hilarious you're trying to paint me as the one who has it in for the sport when you're advocating an undeserving Maskaev to get a title shot and hold the division up another 6 months.

Hopefully "fans" like you will go out with the sanctioning bodies.
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I've been here longer than you, and have been a boxing fan since childhood.

Again, how does your diving into immaturity and insults take away from the fact you're a fan of BS politics happening when it benifits an undeserving fighter you happen to like?

You are a n00b fight fan that knows nothing about this sport.

If anybody is the "n00b" it would be you for being willing to listen to a bull **** sanctioning body who were going to make a bull **** match. I think you and Oleg Maskaev are the only 2 people on this earth who are actually sad this fight isn't happening.

If anybody is the "n00b" it would be you for being willing to listen to a bull **** sanctioning body who were going to make a bull **** match. I think you and Oleg Maskaev are the only 2 people on this earth who are actually sad this fight isn't happening.
Since my first live heavyweight fight was Holmes vs Cooney makes me a true fight fan. I have yet to bail off the heavyweight division since that time.

Since my first live heavyweight fight was Holmes vs Cooney makes me a true fight fan. I have yet to bail off the heavyweight division since that time.


Being elated about an undeserving fighter being elevated to an undeserved status because of BS politics makes you a suspect boxing fan.


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Maskev seen here being KO'd in the 2nd round by Lance Whittaker

Maskaev dont deserve a title shot!

Why would anyone want to see Maskaev fight Rahman, when they can have Toney vs Rahman?

===========Why would anyone want to see Maskaev fight Rahman, when they can have Toney vs Rahman?==================

** Who the hell wants to see Toney fight except for FatBoy lovers? Come to think about it, who wants to see Fatboy Rahman fight? Figures the best scrap they're gonna have is over the damn chicken wing that's their scrawny purse!

Being elated about an undeserving fighter being elevated to an undeserved status because of BS politics makes you a suspect boxing fan.


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Maskev seen here being KO'd in the 2nd round by Lance Whittaker
The same thing can be said about Toney, Maskaev fought in a sanctioned eliminator. Toney was DQ for drugs.

You are a n00b fight fan that knows nothing about this sport.

wow, that is probably the worst post I've ever seen. can't believe you are calling Bozo a newbie fight fan. I guarantee the dude's watched boxing a lot longer than 75% of the board.

Oh lord you really are a heavyweight n00b. :eek:

Nice comeback! Basically you're admitting you're wrong with a statement like that

did anyone else see something like this happening a mile away? At least it could possibly be more fuel to the fire in each fighter.

rahman doesnt have room to complain, especially when toney is the money-maker here.

wow, that is probably the worst post I've ever seen. can't believe you are calling Bozo a newbie fight fan. I guarantee the dude's watched boxing a lot longer than 75% of the board.


That's a fact!!! Boxing and black silk sheets are his life.

Nice comeback! Basically you're admitting you're wrong with a statement like that
If bozo goes as far back as I do in this division or boxing at all, I would give him mad props. But you and him dont know ****.

The same thing can be said about Toney, Maskaev fought in a sanctioned eliminator. Toney was DQ for drugs.


Suggesting Maskaev deservers to be rated near the top of the division is a joke.

Toney is universally ranked in the top of the division.

Maskaev has no busniess being a top 10 fighter.

The fact your biased nut hugging forces you to dance around this point is very sad.

Maskaev sucks, just like the BS politics that have him there suck.

The only thing worse is guys that support them.

That's a fact!!! Boxing and black silk sheets are his life.


Martin, why are you trolling around here?

It's really sad you spend all that time and effort on your site only for no one to post on it forcing you to come trolling back around here.

:rolleyes:

Suggesting Maskaev deservers to be rated near the top of the division is a joke.

Toney is universally ranked in the top of the division.

Maskaev has no busniess being a top 10 fighter.

The fact your biased nut hugging forces you to dance around this point is very sad.

Maskaev sucks, just like the BS politics that have him there suck.

The only thing worse is guys that support them.
If anyone is sucking anyone's **** aroud here has to be you. Toney this Toney that, why dont you remove Toney's **** from your ass to see that he has done nothing to earn a shot at the WBC title. But you wont do that will you? You know why you wont, cause you like the way Toney's **** feel's inside you, so deep inside your quivering ass, so deep but yet so comfertable. You like the way Toney slaps your ass while piledriving your starfish, it makes you scream, it makes you.....................wet. Do you like drinking Toney's cum?? Or do you like it when he splashes it on your ass and smears it all over your hairless chest??

If anyone is sucking anyone's **** aroud here has to be you. Toney this Toney that, why dont you remove Toney's **** from your ass to see that he has done nothing to earn a shot at the WBC title. But you wont do that will you? You know why you wont, cause you like the way Toney's **** feel's inside you, so deep inside your quivering ass, so deep but yet so comfertable. You like the way Toney slaps your ass while piledriving your starfish, it makes you scream, it makes you.....................wet. Do you like drinking Toney's cum?? Or do you like it when he splashes it on your ass and smears it all over your hairless chest??



That is HILARIOUS coming from you.

This may come as a suprize (because it's obvious how POOR your knowledge of boxing is) but Toney is a top Heavyweight right now. One of the few.

This is universally acknowledged and accepted.

You can take that post you just wrote, think about how it's you you're really talking about (classic displacement) and replace everyhwere you wrote Toney with Maskev.

There is no other reason to be so upset over a bum like Maskaev who's clearly not even deserving of a top ten ranking (nevermind a title shot) unless you're firmly attached to his sac.

You are a huge Maskev nut hugger, and that's the only reason you'd do so much crying about this injustice that's been indirectly corrected.

Maskaev is not a top ten Heavyweight, and the decision to keep him away from a title shot was the best thing that could have happend.

If bozo goes as far back as I do in this division or boxing at all, I would give him mad props. But you and him dont know ****.

What makes you the expert? Backing Maskaev because he won a WBC eliminator in which NEITHER of the combatants deserved to be there makes you a ****ing idiot.

That is HILARIOUS coming from you.

This may come as a suprize (because it's obvious how POOR your knowledge of boxing is) but Toney is a top Heavyweight right now. One of the few.

This is universally acknowledged and accepted.

You can take that post you just wrote, think about how it's you you're really talking about (classic displacement) and replace everyhwere you wrote Toney with Maskev.

There is no other reason to be so upset over a bum like Maskaev who's clearly not even deserving of a top ten ranking (nevermind a title shot) unless you're firmly attached to his sac.

You are a huge Maskev nut hugger, and that's the only reason you'd do so much crying about this injustice that's been indirectly corrected.

Maskaev is not a top ten Heavyweight, and the decision to keep him away from a title shot was the best thing that could have happend.
You are a fairweather fan.

You are a fairweather fan.

I'm a fan of the right thing happening for the sport.

You're a fan of BS politics happening when it benifits an undeserving fighter you happen to like.

This was proved at length in that other thread.

You are a fairweather fan.

And you're a Toney hater

And you're a Toney hater
Funny thing is, I was never a Toney hater. But yall are making me hate him with all this Toney nut sucking. Listen up, Maskaev fought a WBC eliminator, per WBC rules he is now the mandatory. Toney leaps him by doing nothing. If it was happen to any other fighter I would complain the same way I'm doing now.

Funny thing is, I was never a Toney hater. But yall are making me hate him with all this Toney nut sucking. Listen up, Maskaev fought a WBC eliminator, per WBC rules he is now the mandatory. Toney leaps him by doing nothing. If it was happen to any other fighter I would complain the same way I'm doing now.


This was explained to you at great length at the previous thread, and your argument was shredded.

You just stuck your thumbs in your ears because you're a Maskeav Nut Hugger.

Regardless of what the WBC said or did, Maskeav having a # 1 ranking is a JOKE.

The Heavyweight division has been in a divided shamble for years, and we're finally near a point where a unification tournament looms.

Wheather you like Toney or not, he's an accepted top Heavyweight, and Maskaev is NOT.

Therfore, Maskeav getting a title shot is not only a joke, it prolongs the deserving top Heavyweights from unifying.

All you're doing is using your nut hugging love of Maskaev to hug onto the WBC rules, which in this case you seem to think matter.

There are FOUR different bogus sanction bodies with FOUR seperate sets of bogus rankings. Your excuse of "They should follow their own BS rules" doesn't cut it. I told you before, by your logic, it won't be long before clowns like you can cry "But RAY AUSTIN IS ranked #1 by the IBF. He DESERVES his shot."

COME OFF IT.

Maskaev fighting for a Heavyweight title makes things WORSE in the big picture, not better.

The top Heavyweights neeed to fight eachothter and unify, and all your crying and whining doesn't change the fact that Maskaev is NOT a top Heavyweight.

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=======Maskaev is NOT a top Heavyweight.============

** You're gonna feel mighty goofus when Toney wins a political decision over Rahman and is KOed by Maskaev.

=======Maskaev is NOT a top Heavyweight.============

** You're gonna feel mighty goofus when Toney wins a political decision over Rahman and is KOed by Maskaev.



Couldn't possibly look more goofus than your assertion does on it's own.

That is HILARIOUS coming from you.

This may come as a suprize (because it's obvious how POOR your knowledge of boxing is) but Toney is a top Heavyweight right now. One of the few.

This is universally acknowledged and accepted.

You can take that post you just wrote, think about how it's you you're really talking about (classic displacement) and replace everyhwere you wrote Toney with Maskev.

There is no other reason to be so upset over a bum like Maskaev who's clearly not even deserving of a top ten ranking (nevermind a title shot) unless you're firmly attached to his sac.

You are a huge Maskev nut hugger, and that's the only reason you'd do so much crying about this injustice that's been indirectly corrected.
Maskaev is not a top ten Heavyweight, and the decision to keep him away from a title shot was the best thing that could have happend.
If anyone is sucking anyone's **** aroud here has to be you. Toney this Toney that, why dont you remove Toney's **** from your ass to see that he has done nothing to earn a shot at the WBC title. But you wont do that will you? You know why you wont, cause you like the way Toney's **** feel's inside you, so deep inside your quivering ass, so deep but yet so comfertable. You like the way Toney slaps your ass while piledriving your starfish, it makes you scream, it makes you.....................wet. Do you like drinking Toney's cum?? Or do you like it when he splashes it on your ass and smears it all over your hairless chest??
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If anyone is sucking anyone's **** aroud here has to be you. Toney this Toney that, why dont you remove Toney's **** from your ass to see that he has done nothing to earn a shot at the WBC title. But you wont do that will you? You know why you wont, cause you like the way Toney's **** feel's inside you, so deep inside your quivering ass, so deep but yet so comfertable. You like the way Toney slaps your ass while piledriving your starfish, it makes you scream, it makes you.....................wet. Do you like drinking Toney's cum?? Or do you like it when he splashes it on your ass and smears it all over your hairless chest??
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That is HILARIOUS coming from you.

This may come as a suprize (because it's obvious how POOR your knowledge of boxing is) but Toney is a top Heavyweight right now. One of the few.

This is universally acknowledged and accepted.

You can take that post you just wrote, think about how it's you you're really talking about (classic displacement) and replace everyhwere you wrote Toney with Maskev.

There is no other reason to be so upset over a bum like Maskaev who's clearly not even deserving of a top ten ranking (nevermind a title shot) unless you're firmly attached to his sac.

You are a huge Maskev nut hugger, and that's the only reason you'd do so much crying about this injustice that's been indirectly corrected.

Maskaev is not a top ten Heavyweight, and the decision to keep him away from a title shot was the best thing that could have happend.

blood, you're usually a pretty good poster, but this whole argument is proving your hate for James Toney more by the minute. I think you've lost this battle on all accounts, bro.

Rules was set into place for the integerity of the sport. If Sam was to have beaten Maskaev I would be saying the same thing right now. The WBC has broken their own rules to swing a fight with someone that has done nothing to earn a shot at this title. Even JC Gomez has done more than Toney has. Toney is on a 2 year ban by the WBA so EVEN if Toney was to beat Rahman he wouldnt be allowed to fight for that title and by the time he served his 2 year ban he would already be on the very tail end of his career. It doesnt matter what you think and it doesnt matter what you want because in this case Maskaev fought a sanctioned bout for the WBC mandatory. If the WBC wanted Toney, then they shoulded have used him. Instead of fighting for the mandatory Toney was reading himself for a huge matchup against Calloway. Maskaev should have been allowed his shot per rules, then Toney should have fought Gomez and the winner fights for the title. It's all about the rules of the game, they must be followed to protect it's integerity and it's fighters. What the WBC has done is wrong, by no means is this fair to Maskaev, Gomez, or the fans that follow this division closely. Like it or not there are rules that must be followed in this sport and the rules are being broken right in front of your face, and the only thing you can come back with is name calling.

Rules was set into place for the integerity of the sport.


You lose right there before you even begin.

The "Rules" that the FOUR seperate sanctioning bodies set within their own proven corrupt organizations are for the integrity of the sport?

Have you even stopped to think about what you're trying to say?

The "rules" that each of the 4 sanctioning bodies impliment are the PROBLEM with boxing today, and this is illustrated and underlined by the fact that Maskaev obtained a top ten ranking, and then a # 1 spot.

The only valid argument you presented at any point in time was the "Boo hoo feel sad for Oleg" stance.

And I already told you, I couldn't care less if he's getting screwed. The fans and the integrity of the sport gets screwed even harder if he's allowed to fight for a title.

You have no point other than to ***** about Maskaev.

At this point I'll remind you that you're the one who brought him up in this thread that had nothing to do with him.

It was a joke that he obtained that ranking, and a Toney Rahman fight IS happening, and in the big picture, that's MUCH better for the fans and the division as a whole.

You lose right there before you even begin.

The "Rules" that the FOUR seperate sanctioning bodies set within their own proven corrupt organizations are for the integrity of the sport?

Have you even stopped to think about what you're trying to say?

The "rules" that each of the 4 sanctioning bodies impliment are the PROBLEM with boxing today, and this is illustrated and underlined by the fact that Maskaev obtained a top ten ranking, and then a # 1 spot.

The only valid argument you presented at any point in time was the "Boo hoo feel sad for Oleg" stance.

And I already told you, I couldn't care less if he's getting screwed. The fans and the integrity of the sport gets screwed even harder if he's allowed to fight for a title.

You have no point other than to ***** about Maskaev.

At this point I'll remind you that you're the one who brought him up in this thread that had nothing to do with him.

It was a joke that he obtained that ranking, and a Toney Rahman fight IS happening, and in the big picture, that's MUCH better for the fans and the division as a whole.
No doubt that the fight is going to happen, but it doesnt make it right, it doesnt make it fair. like I said before, if Sam would have won the fight I would be saying the same thing. If the same thing would have happened to Toney I would have said the same thing. If the WBC is going to sanction a fight as a mandatory, then stick with it no matter what. This is how you protect the integerity of your sanctioning body, by following your own rules.

Rules was set into place for the integerity of the sport. If Sam was to have beaten Maskaev I would be saying the same thing right now. The WBC has broken their own rules to swing a fight with someone that has done nothing to earn a shot at this title. Even JC Gomez has done more than Toney has. Toney is on a 2 year ban by the WBA so EVEN if Toney was to beat Rahman he wouldnt be allowed to fight for that title and by the time he served his 2 year ban he would already be on the very tail end of his career. It doesnt matter what you think and it doesnt matter what you want because in this case Maskaev fought a sanctioned bout for the WBC mandatory. If the WBC wanted Toney, then they shoulded have used him. Instead of fighting for the mandatory Toney was reading himself for a huge matchup against Calloway. Maskaev should have been allowed his shot per rules, then Toney should have fought Gomez and the winner fights for the title. It's all about the rules of the game, they must be followed to protect it's integerity and it's fighters. What the WBC has done is wrong, by no means is this fair to Maskaev, Gomez, or the fans that follow this division closely. Like it or not there are rules that must be followed in this sport and the rules are being broken right in front of your face, and the only thing you can come back with is name calling.

The WBC has broken their own rules longer than any organization in sports. Why stop now?

no current champ should have to split thier earnings with the challenger equally. it hasn't worked like that and will not, even though i still feel rahman should've fought for the title instead of just getting it handed to him. he still, even though i dislike him, should get a bit more money since he has more to lose.

The WBC has broken their own rules longer than any organization in sports. Why stop now?
For the integerity of thier sanctioning body that's why. For the protection of the fighters that compete in their bouts. (eliminators)

What makes you the expert? Backing Maskaev because he won a WBC eliminator in which NEITHER of the combatants deserved to be there makes you a ****ing idiot.

Dude, who the **** really deserves a shot more than the other right now? When Brock Ko'd Ettiene, there were many who had no qualms whatsoever voicing their opinions that he should have had a title shot. What the **** had he done? He beat Ettiene who never had a chin anyway, and no legs to boot, and yet there were some who were ready to give him a shot at the belt. I will say this, Toney is a good fighter at heavy because of his defensive skills, but the fact that he does well for a soft, 5'9, 230 pound fighter isn't enough for me to declare him the savior of the division, nor should it be for anyone else. How many lame ass fights have we had to sit through that were supposed to be barnburners because of the names involved? So how can one say that a fight will suck just because Maskaev is in it? Now I am no Maskaev fan, but for us to say that he should be skipped over because some are unimpressed with him is still bull****. Maskaev, in spite of losing every time he's stepped up, has still fought far better comp at heavy than Toney has, and Toney is a steroid user that doesn't even care enough about the sport to show up in decent shape. Why should we be hanging from his nuts? Toney deserves no special treatment, period.

No doubt that the fight is going to happen, but it doesnt make it right, it doesnt make it fair. like I said before, if Sam would have won the fight I would be saying the same thing. If the same thing would have happened to Toney I would have said the same thing. If the WBC is going to sanction a fight as a mandatory, then stick with it no matter what. This is how you protect the integerity of your sanctioning body, by following your own rules.


Because there are FOUR different sanctioning bodies with FOUR differnt sets of corrupt rules.

Again, and for probably the 100th time, indirectly, this is the right outcome for the division as a whole.

If Maskaev would have gotten the shot, it would have been a step back in the big picture.

NONE of the sanctioning bodies rankings matter.

What matters is the top 6 Heavyweights (the title holders, Toney and Wlad) all need to fight eachother until a Champion is established.

I already told you, by your logic, the IBF will sooon have Ray Austin ranked at #1, and then we have to listen to you and guys like you tell everyone the IBF needs to follow their own rules and let Ray Austin fight for a title?

Come on man, this isn't that difficult to understand.

In the big picture, Maskaev not getting this shot is the right thing.

He doesn't deserve to be there, and it would have been a waste of time.

Drop it already.

For the integerity of thier sanctioning body that's why. For the protection of the fighters that compete in their bouts. (eliminators)


Again, your point shatters in before the 1st sentence is finished.

The sanctioning bodies have no integrity, and haven't for a long time. That's why making a big stink about the rules being broken in ONE of the FOUR is meaningless, and a waste of time.

Dude, who the **** really deserves a shot more than the other right now? When Brock Ko'd Ettiene, there were many who had no qualms whatsoever voicing their opinions that he should have had a title shot. What the **** had he done? He beat Ettiene who never had a chin anyway, and no legs to boot, and yet there were some who were ready to give him a shot at the belt. I will say this, Toney is a good fighter at heavy because of his defensive skills, but the fact that he does well for a soft, 5'9, 230 pound fighter isn't enough for me to declare him the savior of the division, nor should it be for anyone else. How many lame ass fights have we had to sit through that were supposed to be barnburners because of the names involved? So how can one say that a fight will suck just because Maskaev is in it? Now I am no Maskaev fan, but for us to say that he should be skipped over because some are unimpressed with him is still bull****. Maskaev, in spite of losing every time he's stepped up, has still fought far better comp at heavy than Toney has, and Toney is a steroid user that doesn't even care enough about the sport to show up in decent shape. Why should we be hanging from his nuts? Toney deserves no special treatment, period.
And the fact that Toney did NOTHING to get this shot is almost laughable. A NC over Ruiz and then getting banned does not land you a title shot.























































or does it?

The "rules" that each of the 4 sanctioning bodies impliment are the PROBLEM with boxing today.

The problem is, and has always been the sanctioning bodies' unwillingness to follow their own rules on a consistent basis.

And I already told you, I couldn't care less if he's getting screwed .

There's the motivation for your posts, you just aeren't a Maskaev fan, does anyone give a ****?

You are hanging from the nuts of a fighter that doesn't give a **** about me, you, or boxing. Just because he impresses you by fighting well for being out of shape for every fight doesn't make him a great fighter, it makes him a talented fighter that isn't even dedicated enough to boxing to show up looking like a fighter instead of a fat hairless ape. Toney deserves no special treatment, he should have to earn his shot like everyone else.

And the fact that Toney did NOTHING to get this shot is almost laughable. A NC over Ruiz and then getting banned does not land you a title shot.

Toney is a top 5 Heavyweight.

Maskaev is not.

The only thing that matters now is the top 6 Heavyweights fighting eachother until the titles are unified.

Toney deserves to be a part of that as does Wlad.

Maskaev does not.

Your failure to understand this is what makes you appear so ignorant.

Because there are FOUR different sanctioning bodies with FOUR differnt sets of corrupt rules.

Again, and for probably the 100th time, indirectly, this is the right outcome for the division as a whole.

If Maskaev would have gotten the shot, it would have been a step back in the big picture.

NONE of the sanctioning bodies rankings matter.

What matters is the top 6 Heavyweights (the title holders, Toney and Wlad) all need to fight eachother until a Champion is established.

I already told you, by your logic, the IBF will sooon have Ray Austin ranked at #1, and then we have to listen to you and guys like you tell everyone the IBF needs to follow their own rules and let Ray Austin fight for a title?

Come on man, this isn't that difficult to understand.

In the big picture, Maskaev not getting this shot is the right thing.

He doesn't deserve to be there, and it would have been a waste of time.

Drop it already.
The IBF has made Klitschko the mandatory, if Wlad goes with Brewster, do not expect the IBF to make a Byrd/Austin fight. They will make Ray fight a Sam Peter or something of the nature, Ray Austin is 8-0-2 in his last 10 fights with a SD win over Owen Beck in his last fight, his record is a steady 23-3-3, so the IBF must see something in this cat.

The IBF has made Klitschko the mandatory, if Wlad goes with Brewster, do not expect the IBF to make a Byrd/Austin fight. They will make Ray fight a Sam Peter or something of the nature, Ray Austin is 8-0-2 in his last 10 fights with a SD win over Owen Beck in his last fight, his record is a steady


You're missing the point.

None of what the four sanctioning bodies do or don't do within their rankings matters. It's not revelent.

For the first time in ages it's clear who the top fighters are.

They need to fight eachother, and there needs to be unification.

Allowing any one of the 4 sanctioning bodies to slip a useless fighter like Maskaev in and waste another 6th months is bad for the fans, and bad for the divsion.

The problem is, and has always been the sanctioning bodies' unwillingness to follow their own rules on a consistent basis.



There's the motivation for your posts, you just aeren't a Maskaev fan, does anyone give a ****?

You are hanging from the nuts of a fighter that doesn't give a **** about me, you, or boxing. Just because he impresses you by fighting well for being out of shape for every fight doesn't make him a great fighter, it makes him a talented fighter that isn't even dedicated enough to boxing to show up looking like a fighter instead of a fat hairless ape. Toney deserves no special treatment, he should have to earn his shot like everyone else.
This guy gets it. :cool:

This guy gets it. :cool:


No, he doesn't, and neither do you.

The fact that you two don't like Toney, or don't like that he's getting this shot is irrelevent.

Toney IS a top 5 Heavyweight. To suggest otherwise makes you biased or ignorant.

Maskeav is NOT a top 5 Heavyweight.

You're missing the point.

None of what the four sanctioning bodies do or don't do within their rankings matters. It's not revelent.

For the first time in ages it's clear who the top fighters are.

They need to fight eachother, and there needs to be unification.

Allowing any one of the 4 sanctioning bodies to slip a useless fighter like Maskaev in and waste another 6th months is bad for the fans, and bad for the divsion.
They dont want to fight each other!! And Toney is not allowed to fight for the WBA and i dont see Rahman rushing out to sign any unification bouts.

No, he doesn't, and neither do you.

The fact that you two don't like Toney, or don't like that he's getting this shot is irreleven.

Toney IS a top 5 Heavyweight. To suggest otherwise makes you biased or ignorant.

Maskeav is NOT a top 5 Heavyweight.
How many times have I posted saying this is'nt about hating anyone other than the WBC?

They dont want to fight each other!! And Toney is not allowed to fight for the WBA and i dont see Rahman rushing out to sign any unification bouts.

King has them all under contract with the exception of Toney and Wlad. Toney has and will work with King as a co promoter, and Wlad will do so in his next fight.

He's announced his intention to run a unification tournament, and unification fights are the only thing that's going to bring these guys money.

They all want to grab the opportunity to be considered "the" champion.

Again, all your agenda is is to promote a ****ty and undeserving fighter in Maskaev.

He's out of the picture, rightfully so, and you need to suck it up and accept it.

How many times have I posted saying this is'nt about hating anyone other than the WBC?


Probabaly around the same amout of times I've told you that speaking about the WBC or any other sanctioning body like what they decide within their own corrupt rankings is a joke.

King has them all under contract with the exception of Toney and Wlad.

He's announced his intention to run a unification tournament, and unification fights are the only thing that's going to bring these guys money.

They all want to grab the opportunity to be considered "the" champion.

Again, all your agenda is is to promote a ****ty and undeserving fighter in Maskaev.

He's out of the picture, rightfully so, and you need to suck it up and accept it.
How many times have you seen sanctioning bodies threaten to strip fighters of their belts if they try to fight another champion?? Many times will and should be your answere. Sanctioning bodies could care less about unifications, they are supposed to be looking out for their ranked fighters. If a unification fight was to be signed, it would have been done already. Ruiz is fighting Valuev, Brewster and Byrd are tied up with Wlad. If a unification bout was to take place, King would wait to see who Wlad picks to fight. As you can see the WBC is in a hurry to have Rahman fight, Maskaev has already fought in their mandatory so why pass him over? Toney holds some meaningless title called the IBA. Is King hopeing to unify those 2 titles?

How many times have you seen sanctioning bodies threaten to strip fighters of their belts if they try to fight another champion?? Many times will and should be your answere. Sanctioning bodies could care less about unifications, they are supposed to be looking out for their ranked fighters. If a unification fight was to be signed, it would have been done already. Ruiz is fighting Valuev, Brewster and Byrd are tied up with Wlad. If a unification bout was to take place, King would wait to see who Wlad picks to fight. As you can see the WBC is in a hurry to have Rahman fight, Maskaev has already fought in their mandatory so why pass him over? Toney holds some meaningless title called the IBA. Is King hopeing to unify those 2 titles?


The plans are for the unification fights to happen begining in the summer of 2006.

At that time, those that hold titles will be:

Toney Rahman winner

Ruiz Valuev Winner

Byrd, Brewster, and Wlad, minus whoever loses a fight between the two of the three of them.

That leaves 4 fighters with belts, all who've been envolved with King Co Promotions in previous fights.

The money and prestige is in those unification fights, it's what the fans want, and it's whats best for the division.

All you can do is whine about the very bull **** that's been the problem all along, and try to twist your logic into why Maskaev should have got a fight he didn't deserve.

He's not getting the shot, that's a good thing, and you need to accept this and move on.

Oleg Maskaev is coming to my gym in a week or 2, he will stay for 2-3 weeks.

The plans are for the unification fights to happen begining in the summer of 2006.

At that time, those that hold titles will be:

Toney Rahman winner

Ruiz Valuev Winner

Byrd, Brewster, and Wlad, minus whoever loses a fight between the two of the three of them.

That leaves 4 fighters with belts, all who've been envolved with King Co Promotions in previous fights.

The money and prestige is in those unification fights, it's what the fans want, and it's whats best for the division.

All you can do is whine about the very bull **** that's been the problem all along, and try to twist your logic into why Maskaev should have got a fight he didn't deserve.

He's not getting the shot, that's a good thing, and you need to accept this and move on.
If Valuev wins, expect no unification. If Wlad wins any kind of title, expect no unification. This is your hopes of a unification tourny, you speak of fantasy.

If Valuev wins, expect no unification. If Wlad wins any kind of title, expect no unification. This is your hopes of a unification tourny, you speak of fantasy.

So Wlad will fight with King as a co promotor in his next fight, but not in the ensuing fights with more titles on the line and for more money?

That sure makes a lot of sense. :rolleyes:


Face it, all you're doing is whining about an undeserving fighter not getting something he didn't deserve.

Now a better and more important match up is taking place.

You just keep continuing to illustrate how you don't care about what happens in the Heavyweight division being what's best for the fans and the overall legitimacy.

Maskaev is a bum...
Who the **** is Sinal Samil Sam?

Sounds like a bum to me.

So Wlad will fight with King as a co promotor in his next fight, but not in the ensuing fights with more titles on the line and for more money?

That sure makes a lot of sense. :rolleyes:


Face it, all you're doing is whining about an undeserving fighter not getting something he didn't deserve.

Now a better and more important match up is taking place.

You just keep continuing to illustrate how you don't care about what happens in the Heavyweight division being what's best for the fans and the overall legitimacy.
What I'm saying is for the WBC to follow their rules and allow Maskaev to get what he earned. I appluad a unification tourny, but for the WBC to blow off the mandatory that they made is laughable.

Maskaev is a bum...
Who the **** is Sinal Samil Sam?

Sounds like a bum to me.
Watch more heavyweight boxing.

What I'm saying is for the WBC to follow their rules and allow Maskaev to get what he earned. I appluad a unification tourny, but for the WBC to blow off the mandatory that they made is laughable.


The only thing that's laughable is talking about an injustice that' Oleg Maskaev has received and act like it's worse than the overall state of 4 seperate BS sanctioning bodies rolling out monthly injustices.

No one cares about Maskaev, and no one should care about any of the sanctioning bodies.

Maskaev's not fighting for a title, rightfully so, and a better and more meaningfull match up is taking place.

Watch more heavyweight boxing.


Funny, if Oleg and Sam were to be getting telivised title shots, I'd tell him to watch less boxing. :cool:

Watch more heavyweight boxing.

LoL....

For real, what the hell makes you think Sinal Samil Sam is good?

He has a name of a clown.

The only thing that's laughable is talking about an injustice that' Oleg Maskaev has received and act like it's worse than the overall state of 4 seperate BS sanctioning bodies rolling out monthly injustices.

No one cares about Maskaev, and no one should care about any of the sanctioning bodies.

Maskaev's not fighting for a title, rightfully so, and a better and more meaningfull match up is taking place.
This kind of stuff that drove the WBC into bankrupsy.

LoL....

For real, what the hell makes you think Sinal Samil Sam is good?

He has a name of a clown.
Sam is a good fighter. He likes to fight overseas, get's little US tv exposer.

Sam is a good fighter. He likes to fight overseas, get's little US tv exposer.

Do you honestly think Oleg Maskaev is good?
Be honest.

Sam is a good fighter. He likes to fight overseas, get's little US tv exposer.


He's an average fighter. He's lazy, fights lazy, and loses the more important fights he's involved in.

Do you honestly think Oleg Maskaev is good?
Be honest.
From the many many fights I have seen of him I can make this fair assumption. He is as good as any really, he has a solid chin, a fantastic punch, his stamina proves to be good for a true heavy. Although it was awhile ago, he put Rahman into Jim Lampley's lap. At this point in his career I think he is a solid contender just as I do Toney.

From the many many fights I have seen of him I can make this fair assumption. He is as good as any really, he has a solid chin, a fantastic punch, his stamina proves to be good for a true heavy. Although it was awhile ago, he put Rahman into Jim Lampley's lap. At this point in his career I think he is a solid contender just as I do Toney.

That's cool, some kid in my gyms dad is friends with him, and his coming to sacramento for 2-3 weeks next week or so...

He will be coming to my gym a lot to help out that kid..

I will get to meet him in person so that will be cool.

From the many many fights I have seen of him I can make this fair assumption. He is as good as any really, he has a solid chin, a fantastic punch, his stamina proves to be good for a true heavy. Although it was awhile ago, he put Rahman into Jim Lampley's lap. At this point in his career I think he is a solid contender just as I do Toney.


He hasn't beaten a top ten opponent in years, was knocked out of the ring by Kirk Johnson, and KO'd with a jab from Lance Whittaker. He then went on to get stopped by the 300lb Corey Sanders.

6 years ago before all of that, maybe he's a top ten fighter.

Currently, that's a weak assertion you'd only hear from someone who's a biased fan of his.

He hasn't beaten a top ten opponent in years, was knocked out of the ring by Kirk Johnson, and KO'd with a jab from Lance Whittaker. He then went on to get stopped by the 300lb Corey Sanders.

6 years ago before all of that, maybe he's a top ten fighter.

Currently, that's a weak assertion you'd only hear from someone who's a biased fan of his.
He also knocked Rahman out of the ring. On a side note, I just realized that Toney and Botha have something in common. They were both champs for less than a week. :eek:

He also knocked Rahman out of the ring. On a side note, I just realized that Toney and Botha have something in common. They were both champs for less than a week. :eek:

A lucky punch.

Which was over YEARS ago.

A lucky punch.

Which was over YEARS ago.
Same with the Kirk puch.

He also knocked Rahman out of the ring.

You said that already. Do you think it makes it anymore meaningfull when you repeat it?

That was SIX years ago. All of those LAUGHABLE KO losses came AFTER that.

On a side note, I just realized that Toney and Botha have something in common. They were both champs for less than a week. :eek:

How long was Maskeav a champion for?

Oh, that's right.

So now from crying about Maskaev's injustice, you jump to illustrating how you like Maskaev better than Toney.

Your boxing knoweldge just keeps looking better and better.


:rolleyes:
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You said that already. Do you think it makes it anymore meaningfull when you repeat it?

That was SIX years ago. All of those LAUGHABLE KO losses came AFTER that.



How long was Maskeav a champion for?

Oh, that's right.

So now from crying about Maskaev's injustice, you jump to illustrating how you like Maskaev better than Toney.

Your boxing knoweldge just keeps looking better and better.


:rolleyes:
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First of all I would be shocked if you even knew anything about Botha and his run in with the IBF. And another thing, you cant not even deny my jedi strength boxing knowledge, so dont even try.

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Let me get this straight, Toney leaps ahead of Maskaev by doing nothing and he demands half. :eek:
Let me get this straight. You believe that Maskaev is any more deserving than Toney?

He also knocked Rahman out of the ring. On a side note, I just realized that Toney and Botha have something in common. They were both champs for less than a week. :eek:
...Except for Toney's runs as champion at three other weight divisions. Those obviously count as nothing.

A lucky punch.

Which was over YEARS ago.
A lucky punch? Hell, that's the only reason Rahman is the WBC champ. A lucky punch almost 5 yrs ago. Rahman don't want to risk a rematch with Maskaev because he knows the man has major power and might ride off with Rahman's gravy train.

A lucky punch? Hell, that's the only reason Rahman is the WBC champ. A lucky punch almost 5 yrs ago. Rahman don't want to risk a rematch with Maskaev because he knows the man has major power and might ride off with Rahman's gravy train.

Exactly why I say that Maskaev is just as worthy to be in the tourney as Rahman. They should fight next like the wbc promised, otherwise Maskaev should sue their asses into bankruptcy!

=========That was SIX years ago. All of those LAUGHABLE KO losses came AFTER that.====================

** Lessee, Maskaev is 14-3 since KOing Rahman, 9-0 over the past 3 yrs and won the WBC title eliminator......Rahman is 10-3-1 since then, 6-1-1 over the past 3 yrs, won the WBC title eliminator and was suddenly given the belt.

Looks to me like Maskaev is being frozen out and would be a truer World Champ than Rahman or Toney since he's been willing to travel and fight all over the US besides his matches in Germany, Ukraine, and Russia. Eventually he'll get his shot and it's gonna be funny if he KO's one of your fatboys you struggle to prop up like they actually have more value than Maskaev does. In

=========That was SIX years ago. All of those LAUGHABLE KO losses came AFTER that.====================

** Lessee, Maskaev is 14-3 since KOing Rahman, 9-0 over the past 3 yrs and won the WBC title eliminator......Rahman is 10-3-1 since then, 6-1-1 over the past 3 yrs, won the WBC title eliminator and was suddenly given the belt.

Looks to me like Maskaev is being frozen out and would be a truer World Champ than Rahman or Toney since he's been willing to travel and fight all over the US besides his matches in Germany, Ukraine, and Russia. Eventually he'll get his shot and it's gonna be funny if he KO's one of your fatboys you struggle to prop up like they actually have more value than Maskaev does. In
I'm 95% sure that the WBC will make him jump through another poodle hoop now. Since JC Gomez fought in a simluar eliminator, they will probably make a Gomez/Maskaev fight.