I recently read an interesting article in a boxing magazine, and they explored the subject of fighters who have quit. Let's examine some fighters who have quit:

Acelino Freitas, who quit against Corrales.
Sonny Liston, who quit against Ali.
Willy Pep, who quit against Sandy Saddler.
Genaro Hernandez, who quit against De La Hoya.
Roberto Duran, who quit against Leonard.
Julio Cesar Chavez, who quit against De La Hoya.

Against Corrales, Freitas quit after tiring himself out by running around like an idiot and getting knocked down 3 times. I think it was bad to quit like that. Nothing seemed wrong there. I excuse Pep and Hernandez, as they just couldn't go on with their injuries. But Duran, Chavez, and Liston just couldn't be excused. Chavez' infraction will be overlooked because it was late in his career and was addicted to coke. What do you think?

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He got busted up bad in the fight and mentally beaten before the fight. Liston was a very tough man and he wouldn't quit like that unless he was beaten which he was. Ali beating him while he was blinded will have killed his confidence too.

I agree that Accelino shouldn't have quitted because he was still in with a chance in that fight. He wasn't getting beaten too bad because he still kept on landing the big ones on Corrales. I think the fact that Corrales took his power well killed his hope. Corrales is a cruel puncher.

Duran had enough of the punishment that was been layed on him by Leonard. He knew he had lost that fight and i think he was at a point of no return. Quitting didn't ruin his reputation though.

You shouldn't have to. If your corner is looking out for you, they should throw in the towel when you can't take anymore.

If a guy is hurt and can't continue he should be allowded to quit and let the nasayers who've never step foot in the ring say what they want. Most people just use the term "quiter" to degrade fighters they don't like anyways.

If you have to quit before your corner throws in the towel, then they have failed you.

Of course it's ok....if you know that you could get fuk up...quit.

Of course it's ok....if you know that you could get fuk up...quit.

Nicely put and so true, the corner doesn't know how you feel on the inside in a fight.

Let's not forget Golota quitting against Tyson. :D

Lets assume we are talking about when the fighter is NOT insane.

Lets assume we are talking about when the fighter is NOT insane.

quitting maybe bad for a fighter's reputation, but sometimes it's the smart thing to do.

quitting maybe bad for a fighter's reputation, but sometimes it's the smart thing to do.

I am not denying that.
A corner throwing in the towel SAVES a fighter's reputation, and gets him out of the fight. THIS is SMARTER.

I am not denying that.
A corner throwing in the towel SAVES a fighter's reputation, and gets him out of the fight. THIS is SMARTER.

i meant the same thing in boxing whether it's the fighter or his team that quits.

I think there are two reasons for quiting:

1. There is injury, where you are enduring endless amounts of pain and the injury could end your career if it worsened by continued action. This i think applied to Vitali Klitscko in the Byrd fight with his shoulder injury.

2. There is the 'i`m not gonna win this fight' syndrome where a fighter realizes that it is pointless continuing because they are being outclassed. In hindsight we can this unexceptable and unbrave however there is a subplot. In big fights some fighters put up to 10 weeks of intense training. Imagine how disheartining it must be to put your heart and soul into preparation then realize half way through the fight that your not having any effect. Remember also that boxing is very much a mental aspect and losing the conifidence in your ability to compete on the same level as your opponent can take everything out of you. You feel the punches more so, you lack the spark to fire back at the opponent. This itself can be as hindering as an injury. However, some can point at boxers like Evander Holyfield who despite on occassion was clearly losing a battle never threw the towel in because they thought that as long as the match continued they had a chance of victory.
I think the fact that the money today in boxing is so much win or lose the option to continue becomes more apealing, your still being paid. An example is Juilo Caser Chavez. In the De La Hoya fight Chavez gave it a go, when he realized he wasn`t gonna win he quit. He also knew that win or lose he retained his number one ranking with the WBC at light welterweight ( the Chavez Vs Oscar rematch was for the WBC welterweight title ). He knew he had a few more paydays and could lose the fight and not worry about it effecting his next check. Smart business? Yes! Never say die warrior? NO!

Correct, live today to fight tomorrow! Or, why don't they devise something to protect the fighters dignity and save him humillation, like the fighter giving secret signal to his handlers to throw in the towel then pretend he still want to fight!He he he.

I think that probably has been done. We don`t know of it of course but i bet it has happend.

i meant the same thing in boxing whether it's the fighter or his team that quits.

I don't believe so. The fighter could always say "it wasn't my idea" when the corner does it. This is the most politically saavy thing to do.

I do think it is fine to quite in really dire straites - but who are the boxers we really respect? If Ali would have quite versus Norton would we have thought as much of him? Broken jaw seems lagit excuse - rounds and rounds of rope-a-dope taking a beating - but the fact he went on endured him more. It was this tough guy way though that led to his parkinsons. What a price.

Trinidad's daddy made Tito quit against Hopkins...
I loved that fight..It showed the talent of Bernard Hopkins..

Helps too that you hate tito.

it shows terrible heart when a boxer quits a fight and could ruin that boxers career

I don't believe so. The fighter could always say "it wasn't my idea" when the corner does it. This is the most politically saavy thing to do.

the fact that he chose his own team should mean he gives them the authority and confidence to decide for himself when he is on the ring, otherwise i don't see why he should continue to have them on board.

depends oh if ts a injury..or jsut ebing a***** (frietas)...when u quit like he did..say good bye to ur career and fans not to mention big money fights...

look at gatti not the best ..but dammit he;s exciting and deserves all the money he gets even if he not the most skilled fighter...why?...HEART,and with heart comes respect

NO.

Either ask your trainer to throw in the towel for you because you know you cant win or secretly ask the ref to stop it for you. :D

In the fight between Jermain Taylor and Rogelio Martinez. Ref Joe Cortez stops it because Martinez is being outclassed, he's not hurt or anything but it is visible that taylor is superior and there's no way martinez will win he fight. :cool:

quitting maybe bad for a fighter's reputation, but sometimes it's the smart thing to do.


Perfectly said.

alot also depends on what stage the fighter is at in his career. I dont hold it against old guy who have hung around to long if they quit.

Perfectly said.

alot also depends on what stage the fighter is at in his career. I dont hold it against old guy who have hung around to long if they quit.
Quitting on your feet is inexcusable if you want to continue having a career. At least go down and make it look like you were hurt bad so you don't lose your fanbase.
Also, if it comes to the point where you're being beat badly enough to contemplate quittng, the first thing you do after the fight is fire your trainer. He should never lwave that decisio in your hands.

Other famous quitters include Golota (twice, once when he was winning) and Big Klit, also winning

I personally don't think a fighter should ever get in the ring if quitting is in his vocabulary. If you can't beat a fighter, atleast try. If you're not gonna give it your best shot, don't get in the ring.

Helps too that you hate tito.
:D :D :D

Should not have to come to that, the corner should stop the fight if a fighter gets beaten. Saves face and reputation for the fighter.

I think the Golota-Tyson end is very funny (if you are not golota or related to him), the corner trying to force the mouth piece in and Golota firmly keeping its mouth closed, trying to turn his head but the chief second holding his head. This was a fight within the boxing match. :D

depends oh if ts a injury..or jsut ebing a***** (frietas)...when u quit like he did..say good bye to ur career and fans not to mention big money fights...

look at gatti not the best ..but dammit he;s exciting and deserves all the money he gets even if he not the most skilled fighter...why?...HEART,and with heart comes respect
well said!!
frietas quitting lost him more respect than if he got ko'd in the first round.
not just the fans respect but every fighter who faces him from now on will question his heart.
with heart comes respect and with respect come the big fights!!!

I don't think Freitas quitting was all that bad. He was tired,losing the fight, and was getting caught with some big punches. I think if he quit on his stool the backlash wouldn't have been as bad. I guess its the manner in which you quit that people have a problem with.

It is one thing to quit because you don't think you are goin gto win, but in boxing, there is another guy in front of you punching you in the head. Some shots hurt more than others, so if you are getting hit with a lot of shots, and you don't think you have a chance to win, you should have the choice of whether you want to keep fighting.

Sometimes a fighter blatently quits, like Freitas inthe Corrales fight, but other time, the fighter just stops punching so that the ref waives the fight off. Other times after a knockdown a fighter will not show that he is ready to continue after the 8 count.

In the Ebo - Burton fight, the ref looked into Burton's eyes and saw that he could not go on, and then said OK fight. Bruton went on to lose in the next 10 seconds, but that made the fight even more exciting.

It's really up to the boxer himself. If he thinks or feels he's had it (and not because of injury), and there's no semblance of any pride left in him, then no one can stop him from quitting at any stage of the fight. It's his fight, anyway.

BUT, in doing so, he is risking his reputation, could be branded a chicken and be irreversibly humiliated for life. And lose any following he had before the quitting time.

Of course, he can always make a return and fight another day, but the stain will always be there. It can never be erased. It's like a tattoo. It's there forever. Even if you slice if off, there appears an even uglier scar. :eek:

I recently read an interesting article in a boxing magazine, and they explored the subject of fighters who have quit. Let's examine some fighters who have quit:

Acelino Freitas, who quit against Corrales.
Sonny Liston, who quit against Ali.
Willy Pep, who quit against Sandy Saddler.
Genaro Hernandez, who quit against De La Hoya.
Roberto Duran, who quit against Leonard.
Julio Cesar Chavez, who quit against De La Hoya.

Against Corrales, Freitas quit after tiring himself out by running around like an idiot and getting knocked down 3 times. I think it was bad to quit like that. Nothing seemed wrong there. I excuse Pep and Hernandez, as they just couldn't go on with their injuries. But Duran, Chavez, and Liston just couldn't be excused. Chavez' infraction will be overlooked because it was late in his career and was addicted to coke. What do you think?


The guy in your AV quit literally.

Freitis quiting was horrible, he's a young guy just like Corrales in their prime. Duran quiting was bad, he didnt train for that fight, thought he would walk over Leonard. Chavez had no business in the ring with DLH and DLH should be ashame for fighting an old shot fighter to collect an easy payday. People have to realize boxing is not all punching it's mental as well. Chavez was not the same man that fought in his prime, the mindset changes when someone becomes old.

It is not ok to quit but if u are taking a beating and have a chance of being permenatly hurt there is no shame in throwing and the towel and living to fight another day.

if you can't take the pain anymore I don't see why not. It's good for the fighter bad for the fans, but in the end who's gonna take care of the fighter?

if it saves your career hell ya quit its called being smart not heart less although people dont see it that way with klitschko byrd which they should

It is not ok to quit but if u are taking a beating and have a chance of being permenatly hurt there is no shame in throwing and the towel and living to fight another day.

well said.

Personally I think it comes down to the difference between being hurt and being injured.

If you are injured, fighting on is a definate wrong choice. The sport is already dangerous enough when you are 100% fit. Being at a physically disadvantage is taking your life into your own hands further. Classic examples are Steve Collins vs. Nigel Benn and Danny Williams vs. Mark Potter. Benn tried to continue after twisting his ankle but could barely walk. If you aren't mobile, you can't fight. Best to pack it in and live to fight another day. I wouldn't have thought bad of Williams at all if he quit once he separated his shoulder but he, somewhat stupidly, chose to fight on which luckily worked to his advantage since he KO'd his opponent with only his left arm.

If you are hurt, it's mental. You can go on if you are mentally strong enough. If you quit when you are hurt, it's definately a sign of weakness and a total lack of heart.

Quitting is never honorable. I'd rather get knocked out than quit. That might be pride screwing with me, but yeah, I'm going out on my shield. Just my mentality. Though, damn getting hit in the stomach can f'n hurt like hell.

i guess it all depends on circumstances
whats goin on
why ur quiteen n so forth
i guess it can be ok sometimes
but most the times
it just dont seem like the right thing to do

I personally dont like it when fighter quite but it is a smart move if your getting hurt pretty bad, you dont want to lose your prime in one fight.

I personally dont like it when fighter quite but it is a smart move if your getting hurt pretty bad, you dont want to lose your prime in one fight.

yep, like chavez vs taylor he lost everything in that fight. but the worst beaten was in late round and taylor could win if he could stand up for few minutes so its ok to quite?, it depend. like golota-tyson i dont think its ok,golota could easily go on but didnt. but if you fight for money of course you should quit when you know you cant win or got beaten badly with no dignitic or repect for the fans

If I had a choice between protecting my pride and preventing brain damage, I'd definitely choose preventing brain damage. I know when boxers quit, they take a lot of flak. Sometimes fights go on WAY longer than they should. The first time a fighter goes down to a head punch, they're probably be ok. But once you've been knocked down like that, and get back up, that's when the brain damage starts to accumulate. You see these fights that go through three of four knockdowns, and I can't understand why the refs would let that happen. I know it makes the fights more exciting, but it's really not in the best interest of the boxers, whom they should be trying to protect. If a fighter doesn't want to slur his speech for the rest of his life, and he knows the beating he's taking is going to get him there pretty fast, there's no shame in admitting defeat.

i think if i was gonna quit id do it like ricardo mayorga did
against felix trinidad or like how michael brodie did against
in jin chi. take a knee when the shots start coming my way
again instead of just shaking my head & quitting. let the ref stop it

quiting occurs when a boxer is totally outclassed. for example, Clinton Woods should have quit before his corner threw the towel in against RJJ, that was almost murder.Taking a DIVE is unacceptable. A few of Mike Tyson's opponents took dives didnt they, like the punch clipped him, put he fell over like ten pin balling ball. i think a few guys did it, cos they didnt wanna take anymore of a beating.

quiting occurs when a boxer is totally outclassed. for example, Clinton Woods should have quit before his corner threw the towel in against RJJ, that was almost murder.Taking a DIVE is unacceptable. A few of Mike Tyson's opponents took dives didnt they, like the punch clipped him, put he fell over like ten pin balling ball. i think a few guys did it, cos they didnt wanna take anymore of a beating.


Buster Douglas could have gotten up if he wanted from the shot HOlyfield landed on him but he did not, that is crap way of quitting he should just vacated the belts instead of basically taking a dive against Holyfield.

I dunno why people critisize other for quitting

if theres NO chance u can win and ur gettin outgunned quit

if u just take more ****s it will take more out of u in the long run

Quitting is never honorable. I'd rather get knocked out than quit. That might be pride screwing with me, but yeah, I'm going out on my shield. Just my mentality. Though, damn getting hit in the stomach can f'n hurt like hell.

agree, its better to go down with pride than standing in shame.

there is allways a chanche to turn the fight.........no matter how small it is

I think it all depends on the time and place...but when you know that you have no chance of winning, I would have to saying quitting is better than dying...Boxing is a sport isn't it..?

agree, its better to go down with pride than standing in shame.

there is allways a chanche to turn the fight.........no matter how small it is

I dunno. It's not a game. You go down with pride, you could end up with early senility like Ray Robinson. Is your pride worth it? Probably not. Sure, people who don't know you will talk about how you're a "warrior" on the internet/radio/tv, but your friends in family will know you as the "warrior" who can't talk without slurring. I guess that's why I can't be a boxer. But really, who wants to see their favourite boxer end their career with their brains totally scrambled, just to prove how tough they are?

quiting occurs when a boxer is totally outclassed. for example, Clinton Woods should have quit before his corner threw the towel in against RJJ, that was almost murder.Taking a DIVE is unacceptable. A few of Mike Tyson's opponents took dives didnt they, like the punch clipped him, put he fell over like ten pin balling ball. i think a few guys did it, cos they didnt wanna take anymore of a beating.
but taking a knee is ok surely ? your not faking anything then.

Some fighters have a habit of quiting, for example Yoryboy Campas, he quit against Vargas, quit against JL "Maestrito" Lopez, quit against Santos, against DLH

Oliver McCall quit against Lewis and he wasn't even being punished, WTF.

Macho Camacho jr quitting against Leija was a smart move by Camacho. During thre post fight interview,jr.cried like a little ***** denying that he wanted the fight stopped.

Ruiz would never quit because he's a warrior. He never ducked anyone. Compare that to the cowards holding belts today.

I dunno. It's not a game. You go down with pride, you could end up with early senility like Ray Robinson. Is your pride worth it? Probably not. Sure, people who don't know you will talk about how you're a "warrior" on the internet/radio/tv, but your friends in family will know you as the "warrior" who can't talk without slurring. I guess that's why I can't be a boxer. But really, who wants to see their favourite boxer end their career with their brains totally scrambled, just to prove how tough they are?

hmmmmm true.

but my trainer would throw in the towel if i realy get beat to a pulp.

i know it aint smart, i guess pride isnt smart.

It is okay to quit if you know you're hurt and can't effectively defend yourself anymore but fighters, trainers, promoters and fans all have their own judgement and opinions which suit their perspectives.

Honestly, I think the fighter can quit whenever he wants even if it's from fear. Most of those who judge him have never even gotten in the ring and never will!

Some fighters have a habit of quiting, for example Yoryboy Campas, he quit against Vargas, quit against JL "Maestrito" Lopez, quit against Santos, against DLH

Oliver McCall quit against Lewis and he wasn't even being punished, WTF.
yeah Yori Boy was definitely a quitter, once he tasted his own blood the fight was basically over....

The McCall situation was more of a mental breakdown than a guy consciously quitting....

Duran and Freitas are the poster-boys for quitting though

The guy in your AV quit literally.

Freitis quiting was horrible, he's a young guy just like Corrales in their prime. Duran quiting was bad, he didnt train for that fight, thought he would walk over Leonard. Chavez had no business in the ring with DLH and DLH should be ashame for fighting an old shot fighter to collect an easy payday. People have to realize boxing is not all punching it's mental as well. Chavez was not the same man that fought in his prime, the mindset changes when someone becomes old.
frietas knew he had no shot, his corner wasn't looking out for him even after he looked over over to them. I wouldn't get mad at someone for quiting if they come to the realization that they can't win but the people who try anyway always seem to be the bigger money draw or get labeled with that warrior spirit. It really depends on what type of money you want to make. I thought Durans was pretty bad I mean he was physically fine but his pride got in the way and he couldn't stand the fact the ray would taunt and showboat.

frietas knew he had no shot, his corner wasn't looking out for him even after he looked over over to them. I wouldn't get mad at someone for quiting if they come to the realization that they can't win but the people who try anyway always seem to be the bigger money draw or get labeled with that warrior spirit. It really depends on what type of money you want to make. I thought Durans was pretty bad I mean he was physically fine but his pride got in the way and he couldn't stand the fact the ray would taunt and showboat.
quitting is quitting, however you wanna slice it, Duran and Freitas will forever be linked

I have never quit a bout in my life. If I was able to continue I always did, how else could it be. I have been dropped before, but everytime, if I was able, I regain my feet and fight back hard. How else could it be? When I was being beaten, I did what I had to do to survive, whatever I had to do, but it never included quiting, its in the heart.....How else could it be?...........Rockin' :boxing:

quitting kinda takes it ruins a fighters rep..but boxing is a very difficult sport..the mental pressure is much greater than the physical. So i guess its ok to quit if you feel its not worth getting hurt over, but if somebody doesn't wanna quit thats their choice and they should be handed respect for it.

hmmmmm true.

but my trainer would throw in the towel if i realy get beat to a pulp.

i know it aint smart, i guess pride isnt smart.

It's one of the "7 Deadly Sins", responsible for many men's ruin over the course of history.

I Excuse Duran Because He Is A Fighter & Leonard Refused To Engage Him In A Fight As He Did In The First Fight Duran Got Tired Of Throwing Bombs In The Air Which Wears U Out &watching Leanard Shake His Ass Run Around (while Peppering Him) Frustration But Duran Would Never Quit In A Slugfest No Matter How Hurt

Is it ok for a fighter to quite? Absolutly, of their is risk for serious injury then quite, but quiting just b/c your losing isn't good. It's not up to the fighters corner, it's up to the fighter only. Like someone said on another thread, this isn't in the roman times, we arent watching gladiators fight to the death, if you would rather see a fighter not quite and die in the ring then you have a seriouse problem. No one really knows why a fighter would quite except the fighter himself, i personally rather a fighter quite preventing seriouse injury and go on and fight again.

quitting kinda takes it ruins a fighters rep..but boxing is a very difficult sport..the mental pressure is much greater than the physical. So i guess its ok to quit if you feel its not worth getting hurt over, but if somebody doesn't wanna quit thats their choice and they should be handed respect for it.

Why not give respect to a fighter who quites. He knows what the repercussions are for quiting but he's gonna go and make that decision, and probably a really hard decision for that fighter. Depending on the reason why he quites ofcourse.

Should not have to come to that, the corner should stop the fight if a fighter gets beaten. Saves face and reputation for the fighter.

I think the Golota-Tyson end is very funny (if you are not golota or related to him), the corner trying to force the mouth piece in and Golota firmly keeping its mouth closed, trying to turn his head but the chief second holding his head. This was a fight within the boxing match. :D


I actually seen a rebrodcast of that fight that was aired about a week later that showed Golotas corner and you could hear everything his corner was saying. The best part is when his trainer first realized that Andrew was wanting to quit he said something like "awwwwww! don't you do this you c*cksucker!" Classic line from his trainer

its not ok to quit because you are loosing, quiting because you have serious injury or are taking alot of punishment is diffrent freitas,duran, and chavez were not hurt seriously and they were not going to get brain damage from those particular fights they quit in. alot of people say boxing is mental and that is why they quit i agree but just in that is mental once they start reading all the press on who they quit it will be worst than if they just finished the fight.

Its Ok To Quit If U Feel Like U Cant Win The Fight And In Ur Mind Ur Gonna Get Hurt. But That Just Shows U Have Small Balls And U Dont Have The Competitive Spirit Or The Heart To Say One Punch And Can Turn It Around For You. If U Quit U Will Regret It After The Fight And U Have To Live With People Calling You A Quitting Little *****.what Do U Remember Duran 4?

Its Ok To Quit If U Feel Like U Cant Win The Fight And In Ur Mind Ur Gonna Get Hurt. But That Just Shows U Have Small Balls And U Dont Have The Competitive Spirit Or The Heart To Say One Punch And Can Turn It Around For You. If U Quit U Will Regret It After The Fight And U Have To Live With People Calling You A Quitting Little *****.what Do U Remember Duran 4?

I rememeber Duran as the greatest lightweight ever and top 3 pound for pound of all time..

I rememeber Duran as the greatest lightweight ever and top 3 pound for pound of all time..
COME ON BRO DURAN WILL ALWAYS BE ASSOCIATED WITH "NO MAS"

COME ON BRO DURAN WILL ALWAYS BE ASSOCIATED WITH "NO MAS"


Your a DeLaHoya fan...he quit against Hopkins

Chavez quit in his corner...

Duran said no mas...

They have accomplished so much in their careers that it doesnt mean nothing..

Have you not seen Durans fights when he was younger?
He could not have been stopped...

Your a DeLaHoya fan...he quit against Hopkins

Chavez quit in his corner...

Duran said no mas...

They have accomplished so much in their careers that it doesnt mean nothing..

Have you not seen Durans fights when he was younger?
He could not have been stopped...
OSCAR WAS KNOCKEDOUT HE DIDNT QUIT. CHAVEZ WAS OLD AND SHOULDT HAVE FOUGHT DLH. DURAN WAS IN HIS PRIME AGAINST RAY. IM NOT SAYING BY NO MEANS THAT DURAN WASNT A GREAT CHAMP BUT IM SAYING THE "NO MAS" IS THE MOST MEMORABLE QUIT OF ALL TIME.

I am surprised that in all of these "Quiting" threads nobody has mentioned Jesse James Leija quitting against Zu!

I went round and round about this with some idiotic armchair warriors at another site. They were all calling Jesse everything but a baby raper!
Jesse, of course, quit with a busted eardrum. This is something that is diferent case by case. Sometimes the pain is very mild but I had an ear infection and busted eardrum one time that caused me to miss the only performance of my music career. Excrutiating pain, no balance, blood and puss pouring from my ear.....I can't believe anybody could have fought under the conditions I experienced!

Is it OK to quit during a fight?

If you mean in a professional boxing match the answer is absolutely not under any circumstances.

OSCAR WAS KNOCKEDOUT HE DIDNT QUIT. CHAVEZ WAS OLD AND SHOULDT HAVE FOUGHT DLH. DURAN WAS IN HIS PRIME AGAINST RAY. IM NOT SAYING BY NO MEANS THAT DURAN WASNT A GREAT CHAMP BUT IM SAYING THE "NO MAS" IS THE MOST MEMORABLE QUIT OF ALL TIME.

Ok one thing....

Duran was not in his prime when he fought leonard the 2nd time..

Is it OK to quit during a fight?

If you mean in a professional boxing match the answer is absolutely not under any circumstances.
So a young man with a bright future and a family counting on him should die in the ring for the viewing pleasure of some fat slob watching HBO or Showtime?
Thanks for your insight.

So a young man with a bright future and a family counting on him should die in the ring for the viewing pleasure of some fat slob watching HBO or Showtime?
Thanks for your insight.
I agree with you..

If you CANT win and your risking your life...then QUIT!



I rememeber another fight where someone quit..

Arguello against Pryor in the rematch but Arguellos a warrior and like he said he didnt wanna get ****ed up...

Arguello is one of the greatest fighters ever

So a young man with a bright future and a family counting on him should die in the ring for the viewing pleasure of some fat slob watching HBO or Showtime?
Thanks for your insight.

Who said anything about dying? :rolleyes:

Has it happened on a few rare occassions...yes.

But far more often you are going to go down for the count, not simply stop breathing. Quiting is for cowards, and yes it is tantamount to robbing the fans. My feeling is if a fighter quits he shouldn't get paid for the fight. If your band was hired to play a 2 set, concert and you quit after the second song would you get paid? How would the people who paid to see the show feel. Ripped off maybe?

Quiting is for chumps. It's hardly surprising you support it.

And it's not at all surprising that you feel as you do....being the slob in front of the T.V. and all. :D
Go verbally abuse some women, Son!

I really don't get all too pissed at fighters who quit the fight. I may not always understand it (in instances where they dont come out for the last round for example) but I don't fault them for it either. The way I look at is they are in there taking the punishment and probably know better then I do how much more they can or cannot take. If they have had enough then they have had enough, in a sport like boxing nobody needs to prove their manhood- they already have just by putting on the gloves and getting into the ring as far as I am concerned.

I really don't get all too pissed at fighters who quit the fight. I may not always understand it (in instances where they dont come out for the last round for example) but I don't fault them for it either. The way I look at is they are in there taking the punishment and probably know better then I do how much more they can or cannot take. If they have had enough then they have had enough, in a sport like boxing nobody needs to prove their manhood- they already have just by putting on the gloves and getting into the ring as far as I am concerned.
Hear, hear! Well said.

I think..its okay to quit..if your injured and can not defend yourself properly..or..mount an offense..But if you quit..just because you think..you have no chance of winning? thats bull****..thats heartless...quitting in any sport..barring injury or what not..is UNCACCEPTABLE..what if.. the Bills..quit during their game against the Houston Oilers..they wouldnt of completed the greatest comeback in football history..point being..quitting just cuz your losing..just..doesnt cut it for me

LOL. Bunch of fightas comin up quit lots o times,but nobody gives a shiznite!

When a fighta is famous and then quit, all the peeps hate and shyt! LOL

Fighter should never quit. He has a corner and there's a ref, and there are ringside doctors. And there is a canvas. Quitting is unnecessary.

The master of courage and masculinity has spoken.

Fighter should never quit. He has a corner and there's a ref, and there are ringside doctors. And there is a canvas. Quitting is unnecessary.

Exactly. If your beaten so baddly that you can't go on. one of three things will happen 99% of the time. Either your cornerman will throw in the towel, the ref will stop the bout, or the doctor will stop the bout. Quitting is for big pussbags like boxerdog.

Hey bd, have your exwives sent you their monthlychecks so you can support those two deformed homos you've got at home? Hilarious that you can't even support your own family. I'll never stop laughing at that one.

Exactly. If your beaten so baddly that you can't go on. one of three things will happen 99% of the time. Either your cornerman will throw in the towel, the ref will stop the bout, or the doctor will stop the bout. Quitting is for big pussbags like boxerdog.

Hey bd, have your exwives sent you their monthlychecks so you can support those two deformed homos you've got at home? Hilarious that you can't even support your own family. I'll never stop laughing at that one.
**** you you toothless looking bastard. My kids are OFF-LIMITS!
P.M. on the way.

And just for the record.....
I am raising 5 by myself . I guarantee that you would never have lasted these past 7 1/2 years doing it.
It has taken a MAN!

Bump
(for Gumby)

Typical pussified mongoloid. Likes to start **** and can sure dish it out but the second somebody fights back he starts crying like a *****.

Bwaa ha ha ha ha

Maybe if you knew how to treat a women you wouldn't have to raise the kids by yourself. And if you were really a man you wouldn't have to rely on your ex's to support them.

You pm'd me that you are disabled with a back problem that keeps you from working. That means that you also probably rely on some federally founded social program for income. Talk about pathetic. 5 kids and can't afford to raise them. Typical white trash.

And since my tax dollars go towards feeding your kids I suppose that gives me the right to say whatever I want to about them. However, it's not their fault that their dad is a loser so I'll grant your wish and leave them out of it.

Depends on the circumstance

Benn vs Collins(the first time)
There was NO WAY in the universe he was going to win with that ankle injury.

If you don't have a hope, you have to give up, theres no need to take damage for a lost cause.

Santino,

You dare knock a working class man who's loyal to his family? Eat **** and die lowlife. One day you're going to get the **** knocked out of you and it will be for the better. Might even teach you a bit of humility if you aren't knifed or shot.

This is of course assuming that you would even have the balls to say these things to a man face to face.

There are some instances in which quitting isn't cool, but it's acceptable. In the Kostya Tszyu-Ricky Hatton fight, I didn't like it, but Tszyu kept it real. He knew what we all knew, that he wasn't going to win this fight with his inactivity and advanced age.

I don't think that there should ever be a need for a fighter to quit, particularly if you and your team have good communication. In the Freitas-Corrales fighter, Suarez should've been able to read his fighter's body language and should've stopped the fight himself. I'm reminded of Raul Marquez' corner in the Jermain Taylor fight. That is a team that knows whats happening, and was able to protect their fighters health, as well as his dignity.

As with all things in life, it's a case by case situation.
Any thinking adult can see that and unfortunately that omits a few of the posters here...not many but a few.

I would say yes if you are really hurt or generally in bad shape...I think you should continue if you can though..not quit because you think you may be behind on the scorecards (after all we all know how ****ed the scoring in boxing can be)

NOBODY wants the boxing world to be completely filled with Comacho Jr. clones. :D

And just for the record.....
I am raising 5 by myself . I guarantee that you would never have lasted these past 7 1/2 years doing it.
It has taken a MAN!

Just one of the many, many good qualities you have B-dog, which I greatly admire. Raising kids can be tough, and youre raising them all on your own..very commendable ;)

Santino,

You dare knock a working class man who's loyal to his family? Eat **** and die lowlife. One day you're going to get the **** knocked out of you and it will be for the better. Might even teach you a bit of humility if you aren't knifed or shot.

This is of course assuming that you would even have the balls to say these things to a man face to face.

wtf are you talking about? Take some reading comprehension lessons and then get back to me. :dunce:

I think it is ok for a fighter to quit. As a fan I hope it never happens, but I am totally ready to accept the fact that fighters quit.

The idea of a paycut is not bad but it cannot be implemented, because then promoters will look for all excuses not to pay fighters, and what would you do if the corner stops the fight??

There is nothing morally wrong in quitting, boxing is a sport, and ideally should not be driven by the public, but by those who are doing it

When boxers quit it gives the sport a black eye, and this is a sport that has already suffered enough negativity in the public eye.

In other sports athletes are banned for life for shaving points let alone throwing the match or game which is really what quiting in the middle of a boxing match is. I'm not saying a guy should have to give his life for the entertainment of the fans, but far more often a fighter is perfectly capable of continuing and just chooses to quit if he is humiliated (Duran) or feels he can't win. If a guy is in real danger of permanant injury the ref or doctor are going to stop the fight, or the guy is simply going to go down for the count.

This is an internet boxing thread and it's purpose is to elicit a range of opinions. I have an open mind and although i have strong opinions on many subjects i generally respect the opinions of others. Especially when they are stated in a logical and intelligent manner. It's the closed minded, inbred dumb****s like bd who feel the need to insult other posters for simply disagreeing with him.

Keep it up dickless.

Keep it up dickless.

Oh no, the self proclaimed "***** fart" juat called me a bad name. Whatever shall I do? :eek:

Well you COULD send me a ***** assed P.M. threatening to call the police like you just did, you toothless bastard! :D
What a joke! Tough guy Sonny! If I was you I would report pbds for posting your ugly-assed mug on the site too! :p

Hey punks. Talk to the pistola. Salsa is sick of listening.

poor delusional bd. He pm's me begging me to quit picking on his brats. Crys about being a 51 year old crippled welfare recipient and then theatens to come to my house and **** me up. I pm him back and warn him that i am prepared to protect my home and my family, and that he better think twice before getting his ass shot and leaving the little pig-****ers fatherless and he threatens to take me to court. :rolleyes:

LMAO the internet tough-guy act really is humorous.

poor delusional bd. He pm's me begging me to quit picking on his brats. Crys about being a 51 year old crippled welfare recipient and then theatens to come to my house and **** me up. I pm him back and warn him that i am prepared to protect my home and my family, and that he better think twice before getting his ass shot and leaving the little pig-****ers fatherless and he threatens to take me to court. :rolleyes:

LMAO the internet tough-guy act really is humorous.
If you are going to lie to the entire board, continuing is pointless. You know I never threatened anything....CERTAINLY not court! Don't be a complete liar AND fool.
Any of them can browse backwards and see who is at fault here.
Again..my kids are off limits. You would do well to believe what a MAN says when he talks seriously. I'm done.

If you are going to lie to the entire board, continuing is pointless. You know I never threatened anything....CERTAINLY not court! Don't be a complete liar AND fool.
Any of them can browse backwards and see who is at fault here.
Again..my kids are off limits. You would do well to believe what a MAN says when he talks seriously. I'm done.

Try that ignore feature B-dog...it's a real beauty! ;)

lmao. Yup I'm the liar. You never threatened me at all. Hmm...Let's see what you did say:

"I am a grown man and am disabled but it's just back problems....keeps me from being able to work but would not keep me from smacking the snot out of a punk!...and I have heard yours (address) is available too!"

Hmm... Sounds like a poorly veiled threat to me. :confused:


And noooo you never mentioned court. Ooo wait a minute. What's this:

"I am saving this whole exchange. It is quite obvious who would be cupible in a court of law."

LMAO, give it up ***** fart. I expressed an opinion and never said a damn word to, or about you. You chose to start **** by calling me a "fat slob watching HBO or Showtime" simply because I disagreed with you. Easy lesson dumb****, you mess with the bull you get the horns.

And as for "believing what a MAN says" I'll remember that when i see a man speak.

Best tactic is to look at the corner to make them stop it. when stopped make a case to the ref like it was premature stopping.

Best tactic is to look at the corner to make them stop it. when stopped make a case to the ref like it was premature stopping.

And thats usually exactly what happens too..what went down in Tszyu's corner was just confusing :confused:

its only ok to quit if ur life or long-term health is at stake. the case with tszyu and hatton: tszyu got his ass thoroughly kicked, his corner suggested that he quit, if he said "no" he probly would have been KOd or his corner would have stopped it anyway. i think that tszyu had a reasonable excuse to stay on his stool.