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borikua
01-03-2005, 04:43 PM
Oscar's plan: return as welterweight
By Robert Morales, LA Daily

It may be next fall before we see Oscar De La Hoya in another fight, and when we do, it will probably be in the 147-pound welterweight division.

Richard Schaefer, CEO of De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions, last week mapped out a very tentative plan for De La Hoya. It includes taking a full year off and dropping down two weight classes from middleweight.

Schaefer's revelations beg two questions: Can De La Hoya, who will be 32 next month, afford to take a year between fights without getting so rusty that he not only gets beaten, but hurt? And can De La Hoya again campaign at welterweight after not having fought there for nearly four years?

"When you look at other fighters who have taken off a long time, for instance Felix Trinidad Jr., I think if you have the right lifestyle and don't abuse your body, and you're not out partying and drinking all night, you can do it," Schaefer told the Daily News.

"Since Oscar got married to Millie, they live in Puerto Rico, and they are basically homebodies."

It's true about Trinidad. He came back Oct. 2 from a two-year, five-month retirement to knock out tough Ricardo Mayorga in the eighth round. By all accounts, Trinidad looked better and meaner than ever.

That doesn't mean De La Hoya will be better, or even rejuvenated, if he takes a long layoff. Schaefer believes that no one but De La Hoya can be the best judge of that.

"I can advise Oscar on many things," Schaefer said, "but when it comes to boxing, he is definitely smarter than me."

Schaefer said that possibilities at welterweight include a fight with Kostya Tszyu, the current International Boxing Federation junior welterweight champion. By the time De La Hoya is ready to rumble again, Tszyu could be at welterweight. If not, a big-money offer could lure him there.

"Oscar has definitely mentioned Kostya Tszyu's name," Schaefer said. "He realized he can make 147 (pounds) when he was training for Hopkins."

Schaefer was referring to De La Hoya's most recent fight, Sept. 18 against Bernard Hopkins for the undisputed middleweight championship. De La Hoya was stopped by ninth-round technical knockout.

When De La Hoya moved up from junior middleweight to middleweight last June and defeated Felix Sturm to win the World Boxing Organization middleweight championship, he gained blubber, not muscle, and barely got by Sturm.

De La Hoya trained much harder for Hopkins and walked around the week of the fight at well under the 160-pound middleweight limit.

De La Hoya just doesn't seem to have much power past 147. He's had four fights in the 154-pound junior middleweight class. He is 3-1 in those fights with two knockouts, but one of the knockouts came against Yory Boy Campas in May 2003, and Campas was so bad by then, that doesn't count.

At middleweight, De La Hoya (37-4, 29 KOs) is 1-1 with one knockout loss. He showed little power against Sturm and Hopkins.

Schaefer said De La Hoya already has given up a May HBO date, further cementing his plan to stay out of the ring until September. De La Hoya could be coaxed back sooner if the right opportunity presents itself.

"A lot of it depends on the opponent," Schaefer said. "If it were to be Trinidad, maybe things could change."

It was pointed out to Schaefer that Trinidad is at middleweight and probably would never move back down to welterweight, where he began.

"If Trinidad really wants to fight Oscar, we can fight at a catch-weight of, say, 150," Schaefer said.

Trinidad won a majority decision over De La Hoya in September 1999.

zoo
01-03-2005, 06:28 PM
It seems like a good plan, DLH still has a few good years left in him. If he comes back at 147lbs I'd say he could beat Spinks rather easily.

Mr. Ryan
01-03-2005, 07:01 PM
It seems like a good plan, DLH still has a few good years left in him. If he comes back at 147lbs I'd say he could beat Spinks rather easily.
What does that mean, though? He beats a no-hoper, but I want to see him in there with maybe a Zab Judah or Kostya Tszyu.

QueenCity
01-03-2005, 07:32 PM
The fight I want to see is the Trinidad/De La Hoya rematch. They should plan the fight for early to mid Summer, fight at Jr. Middleweight and rake in the big PPV dollers. I really think it makes sense for both guys, it seems like there is still unfinished business.

Mr. Ryan
01-03-2005, 07:34 PM
Dominick Guinn's fight Plan: Throw Punches

Kimmy
01-03-2005, 09:30 PM
I do not think Oscar can beat Spinks easy. Why do so many dismiss Cory Spinks. I thought he looked sensational against Mayora and although it was very close he beat Zab Judah and probably will again. I think if oscar takes a year off, drops to Welterweight there wouldn`t be any gain in ability. He`d be older and probably slower through rust and age.
Spinks is young, fights frequently and is a tall southpaw with fast hands and so far what appears to be a decent chin. I think Oscar would have a better chance of beating an older, less active, smaller, slower Tsyzu than Spinks!

jack_the_rippuh
01-03-2005, 10:01 PM
I'd like to see De La Hoya fight Zab Judah. It would be a very entertaining fight. Can he beat Spinks? I dunno. I hear alot of people underestimate him as a fighter, I personally never seen him in action, but I would like to..

Kimmy
01-03-2005, 10:16 PM
I`ve seen him totally ***** slap Marorya in 2003. He also took some really heavy punches and didn`t flinch. Can`t off a fighter like that especially when he`s like only 26/27

ottoevans
01-03-2005, 11:06 PM
i think oscar would dominate Zab and Spinks easly. If he fights Kostya he would be just to fast and smart for him. He needs to fight Tito at 150 after he beats Kostya and retire after he dominates Tito again

kevvy1979
01-03-2005, 11:25 PM
Lol only reason why Spinks won was because of the point deductions.He did not do enough to take the undisputed titles away other then SRL him to death.DLH would hurt Spinky like he did Gatti,only might take longer because of Spinky's style keeping him from doing so early. Good luck trying to outbox DLH when he gave Tito lessions in that area.

Sir_Jose
01-04-2005, 01:54 AM
DLH beats Spinks with ease. Spinks aint that good. You could make the case Spinks is 0-2 against Mayorga and Judah and niether of those fighters even aproach DLH's level of talent.

damonbleed
01-04-2005, 02:37 AM
I would like to see Oscar fight Cintron.Or maybe Margerito.

vB Martin
01-04-2005, 03:25 AM
I would like to see Oscar fight Cintron.Or maybe Margerito.
don't hold your breath. high-risk, low pay. if DLH wants to box longer for money, he needs names in the ring.
Cintron and Margarito are good, but they aren't big paydays for DLH

neostars
01-04-2005, 05:50 AM
I do not think Oscar can beat Spinks easy. Why do so many dismiss Cory Spinks. I thought he looked sensational against Mayora and although it was very close he beat Zab Judah and probably will again. I think if oscar takes a year off, drops to Welterweight there wouldn`t be any gain in ability. He`d be older and probably slower through rust and age.
Spinks is young, fights frequently and is a tall southpaw with fast hands and so far what appears to be a decent chin. I think Oscar would have a better chance of beating an older, less active, smaller, slower Tsyzu than Spinks!

Oscar is not faster then Judah or Mitchell.
So speed is no ****ing problem for Tsyzu.
Too many ppl under estimate Tsyzu ability at this stage of his career.
He is a more powerful and smarter fighter than he eva was.
Plus he is on a winning streak, which help with his confidence in the ring.

pinaldino
01-04-2005, 08:33 AM
Oscar is not faster then Judah or Mitchell.
So speed is no ****ing problem for Tsyzu.
Too many ppl under estimate Tsyzu ability at this stage of his career.
He is a more powerful and smarter fighter than he eva was.
Plus he is on a winning streak, which help with his confidence in the ring.

Totally agree! If KT's hands are so slow, how could he land his right missile so easily on Mitchell and judah? I think he's the kind of guy who's got perfect timing + accuracy. so his punches are not as easy to see as they seem to be for the other guy in the ring!
as for confidence the guy is a hitman: signs a contract, executes his prey and goes next. I'm impressed :cool:

Floydmayweather
01-05-2005, 03:52 AM
Dlh will kill everyone except KT and thats the fight everyone wants to see. He will be zab judah to sleep for sure.

chingon28
01-05-2005, 04:00 PM
I'd like to see de la hoya and trinidad get it on again. everyone knows the gift that trinidad got in that fight.

Mr. Ryan
01-05-2005, 05:26 PM
I do not think Oscar can beat Spinks easy. Why do so many dismiss Cory Spinks. I thought he looked sensational against Mayora and although it was very close he beat Zab Judah and probably will again.
Sensational? Not quite.

scap
01-06-2005, 01:07 PM
I do not think Oscar can beat Spinks easy. Why do so many dismiss Cory Spinks. I thought he looked sensational against Mayora and although it was very close he beat Zab Judah and probably will again. I think if oscar takes a year off, drops to Welterweight there wouldn`t be any gain in ability. He`d be older and probably slower through rust and age.
Spinks is young, fights frequently and is a tall southpaw with fast hands and so far what appears to be a decent chin. I think Oscar would have a better chance of beating an older, less active, smaller, slower Tsyzu than Spinks!

You thought that Spinks looked sensational against Mayorga? I guess we have different definitions of sensational.

Kornhusker
01-06-2005, 01:43 PM
I'd like to see de la hoya and trinidad get it on again. everyone knows the gift that trinidad got in that fight.

Goddamn I wish that had been a fifteen round fight. DLH was gassed and running for his ****ing life. You must be a Ray Leonard fan.

Eman
01-06-2005, 01:50 PM
I'd like to see de la hoya and trinidad get it on again. everyone knows the gift that trinidad got in that fight.
You should watch the fight again, it was no gift. gift it was dlh got against sturm. you can make a case for either side winning but it was no gift

Chipper
08-23-2007, 05:31 PM
so back in 05 dlh could still have made 147....?

brently1979
08-23-2007, 08:21 PM
so back in 05 dlh could still have made 147....?

That was before he got sponsored by Taco Bell.

PED User
12-19-2007, 07:13 PM
Oscar's plan: return as welterweight
By Robert Morales, LA Daily

It may be next fall before we see Oscar De La Hoya in another fight, and when we do, it will probably be in the 147-pound welterweight division.

Richard Schaefer, CEO of De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions, last week mapped out a very tentative plan for De La Hoya. It includes taking a full year off and dropping down two weight classes from middleweight.

Schaefer's revelations beg two questions: Can De La Hoya, who will be 32 next month, afford to take a year between fights without getting so rusty that he not only gets beaten, but hurt? And can De La Hoya again campaign at welterweight after not having fought there for nearly four years?

"When you look at other fighters who have taken off a long time, for instance Felix Trinidad Jr., I think if you have the right lifestyle and don't abuse your body, and you're not out partying and drinking all night, you can do it," Schaefer told the Daily News.

"Since Oscar got married to Millie, they live in Puerto Rico, and they are basically homebodies."

It's true about Trinidad. He came back Oct. 2 from a two-year, five-month retirement to knock out tough Ricardo Mayorga in the eighth round. By all accounts, Trinidad looked better and meaner than ever.

That doesn't mean De La Hoya will be better, or even rejuvenated, if he takes a long layoff. Schaefer believes that no one but De La Hoya can be the best judge of that.

"I can advise Oscar on many things," Schaefer said, "but when it comes to boxing, he is definitely smarter than me."

Schaefer said that possibilities at welterweight include a fight with Kostya Tszyu, the current International Boxing Federation junior welterweight champion. By the time De La Hoya is ready to rumble again, Tszyu could be at welterweight. If not, a big-money offer could lure him there.

"Oscar has definitely mentioned Kostya Tszyu's name," Schaefer said. "He realized he can make 147 (pounds) when he was training for Hopkins."Schaefer was referring to De La Hoya's most recent fight, Sept. 18 against Bernard Hopkins for the undisputed middleweight championship. De La Hoya was stopped by ninth-round technical knockout.

When De La Hoya moved up from junior middleweight to middleweight last June and defeated Felix Sturm to win the World Boxing Organization middleweight championship, he gained blubber, not muscle, and barely got by Sturm.

De La Hoya trained much harder for Hopkins and walked around the week of the fight at well under the 160-pound middleweight limit.

De La Hoya just doesn't seem to have much power past 147. He's had four fights in the 154-pound junior middleweight class. He is 3-1 in those fights with two knockouts, but one of the knockouts came against Yory Boy Campas in May 2003, and Campas was so bad by then, that doesn't count.

At middleweight, De La Hoya (37-4, 29 KOs) is 1-1 with one knockout loss. He showed little power against Sturm and Hopkins.

Schaefer said De La Hoya already has given up a May HBO date, further cementing his plan to stay out of the ring until September. De La Hoya could be coaxed back sooner if the right opportunity presents itself.

"A lot of it depends on the opponent," Schaefer said. "If it were to be Trinidad, maybe things could change."

It was pointed out to Schaefer that Trinidad is at middleweight and probably would never move back down to welterweight, where he began.

"If Trinidad really wants to fight Oscar, we can fight at a catch-weight of, say, 150," Schaefer said.

Trinidad won a majority decision over De La Hoya in September 1999.


lol....de la fishnet and schafer are such liars.