Has anyone noticed that the two time's Lennox lost and the one time he fought to a draw he was able to coax his opponent into fighting him again so he can try and prove himself. However when opponent's that he has defeated have asked him for a rematch he basically brushed them off and called them misfits who had their opportunity at him but failed. To me that may qualify him as a little bit of a *****.

Has anyone noticed that the two time's Lennox lost and the one time he fought to a draw he was able to coax his opponent into fighting him again so he can try and prove himself. However when opponent's that he has defeated have asked him for a rematch he basically brushed them off and called them misfits who had their opportunity at him but failed. To me that may qualify him as a little bit of a *****.


um...no

He didn't "coax" anyone into anything. Who else was Rahman gonna fight and get that kind of money? He had to wait years fro McCall because he was frozen out by King.

That "draw" might be the single worst desicion in the history of the sport.

The only one guy who you could make a case for deserving a rematch was Mercer.

I agree with Jose. Not much more to type on top of that....

I disagree on the Rahman argument by Jose. Rahman at that time was scheduled to fight someone else appointed by Don King, but Lewis sued Rahman to give him a rematch. It's not exactly coaxing, but he did twist Rock's arm to get another chance at him (or we wouldn't be having this argument if Hasim retained his title in the second fight)

Exactly he sued Rahman into giving him another shot. Rahman could have faced the number one two or three contender for his belts but was forced to fight Lewis.

oh im sorry thats a bad thing?

come on now.

Lewis has rematch clauses in his contracts and Rahman didn't want to fulfill it. Lewis did what every smart fighter would have done.

Lewis has rematch clauses in his contracts and Rahman didn't want to fulfill it. Lewis did what every smart fighter would have done.
exactly rahman signed the contract thinking the rematch clause would'nt matter he just wanted his shot.
but when he took the title he wanted out of the contract opting rather to fight somebody like tyson to make big money.
i don't think lennox done anything wrong in wanting his title back enough to involve the courts.

exactly rahman signed the contract thinking the rematch clause would'nt matter he just wanted his shot.
but when he took the title he wanted out of the contract opting rather to fight somebody like tyson to make big money.
i don't think lennox done anything wrong in wanting his title back enough to involve the courts.

Hell Jameel McCline and Chris Byrd are close friends whose wives are BEST friends and McCline still sued to get Byrd to have to fight him instead of rematching Golota...

lennox is just a fat ass

lennox is just a fat ass
thats because he is enjoying his well earned retirement.

lennox is just a fat ass


you mean like the guy in your avatar?

Has anyone noticed that the two time's Lennox lost and the one time he fought to a draw he was able to coax his opponent into fighting him again so he can try and prove himself. However when opponent's that he has defeated have asked him for a rematch he basically brushed them off and called them misfits who had their opportunity at him but failed. To me that may qualify him as a little bit of a *****.


thats what champions do u idiot...plus im sure they had a rematch clause in the contract...man u ppl are so dumb on this message board

Well he promised VK a rematch havent seen that, or perhaps i will som day.

I dont think many of the fighters that LL defeated ever wanted a rematch.

thats what champions do u idiot...plus im sure they had a rematch clause in the contract...man u ppl are so dumb on this message board
Hey scumbag go **** yourself you ****ing jerk-off. Can't you have a conversation without making a total baboon out of yourself. You are a ****ing waste of space, you ****ing coward.

Your avatar show's what a jerk-off you really are. You and your ****** friend's sit around acting like a bunch of jack-asses watching that stupid **** on TV. All these stupid video's you watch has ruined your brain cells if you ever had any.

Has anyone noticed that the two time's Lennox lost and the one time he fought to a draw he was able to coax his opponent into fighting him again so he can try and prove himself. However when opponent's that he has defeated have asked him for a rematch he basically brushed them off and called them misfits who had their opportunity at him but failed. To me that may qualify him as a little bit of a *****.
Hasim Rahman wasn't going to give him a rematch, but Lewis and Steward went to court and won the right to an immediate rematch. Steward said in court that the rematch had to be immediate because Lewis was getting old.

Very true Asian. Steward reffered to Lewis being near 36 yrs old and hadn`t the time to wait for Rahman to make a few defences. Rahman signed to fight with a rematch clause. You can`t blame Lewis for enforcing it. And as for Vitali, were all mad at Lewis for retiring because the Klitscko fight was competitive and at times it looked like there could have been an upset. Because the fight ended on a cut stoppage it seems inconclusive and people want to see what would have happend if there hadn`t been a cut, this is fair enough and Lewis has his right to retire with dignity. However, after Klitscko beat Danny Williams Lewis started gobbing off on how he would beat Klitscko etc..This i think was totally wrong and if he continues to do it i think to a certain degree obilgates him to back up his words. You shouldn`t retire then claim you can beat fighters easily, especially when Klitscko gave him hell when they did fight.

Lewis has always been a little *****, just sitting on the sidelines while Holyfield-Bowe, Holyfield-Tyson pounded each other in their primes. Then Lewis sweeps in to fight smaller, shot fighters- that's why he struggles to crack the top 10 hvy of all time.

There is allot of truth to this post. He did not seem overly eagar to challenge Holyfield when he was champ and he didn`t even want Moorer and Moorer would be an eay option. He waited till Tyson was totally shot before he tangled with him also. One could argue that Bowe dumped the WBC belt in favor of Dokes over Lewis and Tyson did the same and fought Seldon in 1996. But i believe that was because Lewis being a Mandatory challenger he would have commanded 25% of the purse, greatly reducing his payday. I think the biggest mistake Tyson made was in 1996 when he fought Holyfield over Lewis and surrendered the WBC title. I think Tyson would have had more of a chance Vs Lewis that year then he had over Holyfield. But Lewis didn`t want to fight Klitscko again because he knew it was a hard fight, he knew he could have lost the first and he wasn`t getting any better with age. The biggest weakness with Lennox wasn`t his chin, it was his heart. He got knockdown but was unable to continue because he just didn`t wantg it as much as a real fighter.

There is allot of truth to this post. He did not seem overly eagar to challenge Holyfield when he was champ and he didn`t even want Moorer and Moorer would be an eay option. He waited till Tyson was totally shot before he tangled with him also. One could argue that Bowe dumped the WBC belt in favor of Dokes over Lewis and Tyson did the same and fought Seldon in 1996. But i believe that was because Lewis being a Mandatory challenger he would have commanded 25% of the purse, greatly reducing his payday. I think the biggest mistake Tyson made was in 1996 when he fought Holyfield over Lewis and surrendered the WBC title. I think Tyson would have had more of a chance Vs Lewis that year then he had over Holyfield. But Lewis didn`t want to fight Klitscko again because he knew it was a hard fight, he knew he could have lost the first and he wasn`t getting any better with age. The biggest weakness with Lennox wasn`t his chin, it was his heart. He got knockdown but was unable to continue because he just didn`t wantg it as much as a real fighter.
Wow. You actually believe this stuff you've posted? I mean, you think Lewis was ducking Holyfield and Tyson??

For once, I'm speechless. There are no words...

are you kidding me?

Lewis didn't sit on any sidelines. Bowe shamelessy ducked him in 93 and Tyson did the same in 96. Moorer? please. Micheal Moorer had a 1 fight career he beat Holyfield and then what else? thats rigfht he got KO'ed by a 70 year old Foreman thats all.

Bowe threw his belt in the trash can and refused to fight Lewis because when he won the undisputed championship he was a promotional free agent, had he completed the tournament that included Lewis-Ruddock and Bowe-Holyfield, he would have been contractually obligated to the promotional outfit that put on the tournament (Main Events?). Thus he opted to stay a free agent and let Lewis be called a paper champ (which is what you are when you are handed the WBC belt twice in a row for doing nothing but A. Sitting on a beach, and B. Beating a crackhead just out of retirement with severe emotional problems. When HBO had already signed Bowe to fight Lewis all Lewis had to do was beat unthreatening challenger Oliver McCall who had lost all of his most important fights. Instead Lewis was knocked out and HBO threw him back onto the scrap heap. When both Lewis and Bowe were making comebacks Lewis was being interviewed live on BBC and Bowe actually called into the show and challenged Lewis to sign a contract for them to fight. No belts (neither of them had belts) just for honor. Lewis' reply was that he was more interested in chasing then champion Michael Moorer. MICHAEL MOORER! That shows you how much he really wanted to fight Bowe.

Its like when he said he was ducked by Tyson. Yeah Tyson paid Lewis 4 mil to step aside but people seem to forget or never knew the actual contract that he entered into with Lewis. He paid Lewis 4 mil to WAIT until he had beaten Seldon then he would fight Lewis with Lewis to get an additional 12 mil (his highest purse by far). Tyson beat Seldon and Lewis hid behind his HBO contract saying he could only fight on HBO (It was later revealed that Lewis had a "one time out" clause that would have allowed him to fight on showtime PPV). He tied Tyson up in litigation and rather than stall his career and the mega millions he was making Tyson dumped the WBC belt (sound familiar) and pursued the fight with Holyfield. Lewis for the second time in his career picked the WBC belt out of the trashcan by fighting a crack head who lost his last fight (against a christmas tree) and Tyson went on to fight in the highest grossing PPV fight in history.

People need to realise that Lewis manipulated the system as much or more than Tyson, Bowe or anyone else, the difference is he was so boring and such a low profile HW champ that nobody cared or paid any attention accept his fans and they were so ignorant they cheered anything he did.

very good point i also thing that lennox is scard of vitali for not giving him a rematch

Lennox is not scared of Vitali he just does not want to go through all the hard training to whip him. If he is out of shape Vitali will lay him out so Lennox just said the hell with it.

The Bowe fight had several chances of happening and Lewis didn`t seem interested. In the spring of 1996 Lennox was ranked number 1 by the WBC and number 2 by WBO. Bowe had just beaten Holyfield in November 1995 and was not lined up for any fights. Rock Newham approached the Lewis camp about a WBO title fight in April 1996. Although Bowe was champion Lewis was in the running to recieve something like 40% of the purse, thats more than fair. Problem was Lewis` made the excuse that he wanted the WBC belt and the Tyson fight. Tyson had already signed to fight both Frank Bruno and Bruce Seldon, freeing him up for a September clash ( the Seldon fight was scheduled for July, later, Tyson pulled out with some sort of illness ). Bowe and Lewis could have fought in May 1996 and the winner to face WBC/WBA champ Tyson. Lewis, in his quest for `the better belt` fought Ray mercer instead. I think Lewis would have only fought Bowe when the most beneficial option was on the table, the reason being one of risk. I think Tyson would have been an easier option for lewis and on the back of a Tyson win Lewis would have commanded a much greater purse. It was business smart, but what do you expect, lewis was probably the best fighter ever who didn`t love his sport. It was something he was good at, not something he loved doing.

Lewis has always been a little *****, just sitting on the sidelines while Holyfield-Bowe, Holyfield-Tyson pounded each other in their primes. Then Lewis sweeps in to fight smaller, shot fighters- that's why he struggles to crack the top 10 hvy of all time.
What drugs are you on? Tyson paid Lewis $4 million NOT to fight him in the 90's and Riddick Bowe threw the WBC title in the bin rather than face Lewis who was the mandatory challenger. How is that Lewis' fault?

Did somebody seriously just call Lennox Lewis "a paper champion"?

It would of been better if Lewis came back to fight Klitschko one more time instead of retiring. I think by not doing so his ego has been somewhat damaged. You can see it in the way LL speaks the way he does as a commentator about Vitali during broadcasts or in the news.

Lennox is not scared of Vitali he just does not want to go through all the hard training to whip him. If he is out of shape Vitali will lay him out so Lennox just said the hell with it.
Lennox is an old man, who fought like an old man the last time against Vitali. I wouldn't ask Willie Pep to fight Juan Manuel Marquez, just as I wouldn't ask Lennox Lewis to put himself in harms way for no reason at all. It would be a bloodletting and a black mark on boxing if Lewis was to fight Vitali again.

I disagree on the Rahman argument by Jose. Rahman at that time was scheduled to fight someone else appointed by Don King, but Lewis sued Rahman to give him a rematch. It's not exactly coaxing, but he did twist Rock's arm to get another chance at him (or we wouldn't be having this argument if Hasim retained his title in the second fight)
Rahman signed a contract that gave lewis a rematch if lewis lost the first fight, Rahman didnt have to sign it noone twisted his arm.

Lennox is an old man, who fought like an old man the last time against Vitali. I wouldn't ask Willie Pep to fight Juan Manuel Marquez, just as I wouldn't ask Lennox Lewis to put himself in harms way for no reason at all. It would be a bloodletting and a black mark on boxing if Lewis was to fight Vitali again.

Maybe for Lewis coming back now is pointless, but back when he fought Vitali it was very necessary and everyone demanded it. He was heavyweight champion, and looked as bad as he did because Vitali made him look like that.

Bowe threw his belt in the trash can and refused to fight Lewis because when he won the undisputed championship he was a promotional free agent, had he completed the tournament that included Lewis-Ruddock and Bowe-Holyfield, he would have been contractually obligated to the promotional outfit that put on the tournament (Main Events?). Thus he opted to stay a free agent and let Lewis be called a paper champ (which is what you are when you are handed the WBC belt twice in a row for doing nothing but A. Sitting on a beach, and B. Beating a crackhead just out of retirement with severe emotional problems. When HBO had already signed Bowe to fight Lewis all Lewis had to do was beat unthreatening challenger Oliver McCall who had lost all of his most important fights. Instead Lewis was knocked out and HBO threw him back onto the scrap heap. When both Lewis and Bowe were making comebacks Lewis was being interviewed live on BBC and Bowe actually called into the show and challenged Lewis to sign a contract for them to fight. No belts (neither of them had belts) just for honor. Lewis' reply was that he was more interested in chasing then champion Michael Moorer. MICHAEL MOORER! That shows you how much he really wanted to fight Bowe.

Its like when he said he was ducked by Tyson. Yeah Tyson paid Lewis 4 mil to step aside but people seem to forget or never knew the actual contract that he entered into with Lewis. He paid Lewis 4 mil to WAIT until he had beaten Seldon then he would fight Lewis with Lewis to get an additional 12 mil (his highest purse by far). Tyson beat Seldon and Lewis hid behind his HBO contract saying he could only fight on HBO (It was later revealed that Lewis had a "one time out" clause that would have allowed him to fight on showtime PPV). He tied Tyson up in litigation and rather than stall his career and the mega millions he was making Tyson dumped the WBC belt (sound familiar) and pursued the fight with Holyfield. Lewis for the second time in his career picked the WBC belt out of the trashcan by fighting a crack head who lost his last fight (against a christmas tree) and Tyson went on to fight in the highest grossing PPV fight in history.

People need to realise that Lewis manipulated the system as much or more than Tyson, Bowe or anyone else, the difference is he was so boring and such a low profile HW champ that nobody cared or paid any attention accept his fans and they were so ignorant they cheered anything he did.

Good points, notice how nobody responded to this post?

And they probably won't, either lol

Wow, is there ever some bull **** in this thread.

Riddick Bowe DUCKED Lennox Lewis. PERIOD. He climbed out of the ring after beating Holyfiled and confronted Lewis (and looked completely timid while doing so) He told him on camera he would fight him next. That made him look equally cowardly when he was obligated to fight Lewis but threw the title away instead.

You need to think about what you're saying. Bowe had a screw loose, and for whatever reason, he was afraid of Lewis (possibly the beating Lewis gave him in the Olympics). He would have been mentally defeated before he ever stepped into the ring.

As for the Tyson fight, Tyson was clearly interested in fighting the lesser opponent than the risky fight with Lewis.

I would go so far as to say Tyson was afraid of Lewis at that point (like Bowe was), but for anyone to suggest Lewis avoided Bowe Holyfield and Tyson in the 90's more so than vice versa is sadly confused.

As for the Mercer fight, it was competitve, but as mentioned previosuly, there are examples with EVERY champion getting a close and competitive win and not rematching.

If you'd take the time out to LOOK at what happened, Mercer was 0-2-1 in his last 3 after the Lewis fight, and Lennox had the opportunity to rematch McCall for a title instead. Had he fought Mercer again instead, some of you idiots would be spouting off about how Lewis was afraid of McCall.

As for Klitschko, Lewis was 37 and inactive for a year, and he still beat Klitschko. The point of debate there shouldn't be why Lennox opted to retire, but why Klitschko failed to capatalize on his 1st chance.

Lennox was an assured Hall of Famer before that fight ever happened, and it was his porogative to retire when he did. He had Evander Holyfield losing all over the place to remind him of what happens to a great champion who stays around too long.

Rocko backed his **** up with facts, your post was basically a couple of half-facts sprinkled in with about 90% of your worthless opinion. You are basically our Tex Cobb version of a poster. Fairly knowledgeable and could have had some credibility, but too stupid and biased to capitalize on your knowledge. Add to that the fact that you've hung around waaay too long, and there you go lol

I have a feeling that in 20 years people will still be arguing about whether or not Lewis should have given Klitschko a rematch - it seems to come up every single time someone mentions either K or L. IMO Lewis is a better fighter than Klitschko and could have beaten him if he had been fully prepared and motivated, but I do think that Klitschko surprised him and hurt him in their fight, and that Lewis was afraid to give Klitschko a rematch. Too bad because the rematch would have been an awesome fight, one that I think Lennox Lewis in top form could have won, perhaps by jabbing and boxing and then making his move in the late rounds after Klitshcko had tired himself out.

Hollister I hope your post isn't directed at me.

You should know that I put you on ignore back when you had that schizophrenic outburst of lying, subject twisting, denying things you said previously, and making up things and saying I said them. You capped it all off by admitting to doing all of that because you couldn't come up with anything else to say.

It was honestly as though you had some form of schizophrenia.

I haven't read a word of your juvenile drivel since that day.

Have fun talking to the wind.

Hollister I hope your post isn't directed at me.

You should know that I put you on ignore back when you had that schizophrenic outburst of lying, subject twisting, denying things you said previously, and making up things and saying I said them. You capped it all off by admitting to doing all of that because you couldn't come up with anything else to say.

It was honestly as though you had some form of schizophrenia.

I haven't read a word of your juvenile drivel since that day.

Have fun talking to the wind.

Well "the wind" listens and responds to me, positively most of the time. You can tell yourself whatever you want, but what did you do when I brought back the beginning of the thread, and showed everyone what I actually posted and how you jumped subjects and lied about what I posted? You said that the posts were random lol You could have been more intelligent and looked at the times on the posts to see that they were actually in the order they were posted, but you weren't that smart. Again, you can say whatever you want, but you haven't really directly responded to anything that dude posted, just like you never directly responded to anything I posted. You're just a loser with a big opinion of yourself, one which nobody else shares lol

Has anyone noticed that the two time's Lennox lost and the one time he fought to a draw he was able to coax his opponent into fighting him again so he can try and prove himself. However when opponent's that he has defeated have asked him for a rematch he basically brushed them off and called them misfits who had their opportunity at him but failed. To me that may qualify him as a little bit of a *****.

LL had rematch clauses in the contracts if HE lost. When LL won he dominated, no need for a rematch, when he lost it was lucky shots. (i do think Holy should have received a rematch, because i thought he won that 2nd figth.)

Lennox Lewis wanted no part of any top fighter when they were in their prime, holyfield was 5 years past it by the time lennox had the balls to fight him, then he wants to fight tyson 7 years removed from his last title reign, and when bowe was gonna fight him lewis DEManded purse parity, which is rediculous, bowe was the undisputed champion then. He even avoided Foreman like the plague because he knew old george would have starched him with one jab. then he retires because he knew he would lose a rematch to vitali(who sucks by the way).

Lennox Lewis wanted no part of any top fighter when they were in their prime, holyfield was 5 years past it by the time lennox had the balls to fight him, then he wants to fight tyson 7 years removed from his last title reign, and when bowe was gonna fight him lewis DEManded purse parity, which is rediculous, bowe was the undisputed champion then. He even avoided Foreman like the plague because he knew old george would have starched him with one jab. then he retires because he knew he would lose a rematch to vitali(who sucks by the way).
the above statement is chillingly accurate.

the above statement is chillingly accurate.

No, it's not.

Bowe avoided Lewis in his prime, and did so on live TV. Once right after the Holyfield fight, and once at the press conference that he threw his title away at rather than fight Lewis.

Tyson fought Seldon instead of Lewis, paying Lewis 4 Million to step aside.

Holyfield was tied up a lot fighting 3 fights with Bowe, 2 with Tyson, and two with Moore.

He wasn't interested in fighting Lewis when Lewis didn't have a title, because there was little money and it was hight risk.

Once agian, to assert Lewis ducked Bowe, Tyson, and Holyfield more so than vice versa is pure ignorance.

No, it's not.

Bowe avoided Lewis in his prime, and did so on live TV. Once right after the Holyfield fight, and once at the press conference that he threw his title away at rather than fight Lewis.

Tyson fought Seldon instead of Lewis, paying Lewis 4 Million to step aside.

Holyfield was tied up a lot fighting 3 fights with Bowe, 2 with Tyson, and two with Moore.

He wasn't interested in fighting Lewis when Lewis didn't have a title, because there was little money and it was hight risk.

Once agian, to assert Lewis ducked Bowe, Tyson, and Holyfield more so than vice versa is pure ignorance.
tyson offered 4 million to lennox lewis and lewis accepted. whos dodging who? the guy who offeres the bribe or the guy who takes the bribe, drops the belts, retires, and has the gall to say that people dodged him?

tyson offered 4 million to lennox lewis and lewis accepted. whos dodging who? the guy who offeres the bribe or the guy who takes the bribe, drops the belts, retires, and has the gall to say that people dodged him?

It would have been smarter to give up 4 Million dollars for doing nothing?

That's a lot of money to pay someone not to fight.

Bruce Seldon was a weaker fight, and Tyson was thinking it would lead into a Holyfield fight, one he thought he'd easilly win. There was discussions about the Holyfield fight long before Tyson fought Seldon.

You can't really blame Tyson, he wasn't very smart, and was being constantly screwed by those around him.

It would have been smarter to give up 4 Million dollars for doing nothing?

That's a lot of money to pay someone not to fight.

Bruce Seldon was a weaker fight, and Tyson was thinking it would lead into a Holyfield fight, one he thought he'd easilly win.

You can't really blame Tyson, he wasn't very smart, and was being constantly screwed by those around him.
what would u take? a 4 million dollar bribe to NOT fight or a multimillion dollar deal TO fight? seems like lewis took the easy money... i guess he doesnt like earning his living.

what would u take? a 4 million dollar bribe to NOT fight or a multimillion dollar deal TO fight? seems like lewis took the easy money... i guess he doesnt like earning his living.

Tyson never had any intention of fighting Lewis. He was set on fighting Holyfield because he and his fans thought (for whatever reason) that it would be an easier fight for Holyfield.

He wanted to fight Seldon because he knew it was a walkover, and thought he'd do the same to Evander.

[QUOTE=Bozo_no_no]Tyson never had any intention of fighting Lewis. He was set on fighting Holyfield because he and his fans thought (for whatever reason) that it would be an easier fight for Holyfield.QUOTE]


What?

Wait....

What?

Lennox Lewis wanted no part of any top fighter when they were in their prime, holyfield was 5 years past it by the time lennox had the balls to fight him, then he wants to fight tyson 7 years removed from his last title reign, and when bowe was gonna fight him lewis DEManded purse parity, which is rediculous, bowe was the undisputed champion then. He even avoided Foreman like the plague because he knew old george would have starched him with one jab. then he retires because he knew he would lose a rematch to vitali(who sucks by the way).
Tyson was Lewis`s Mandatory in 2002, Holyfield was the WBA & IBF Champion at the time! You say he avoided every top fighter in their prime but yet you acknowledge that he faced and BEAT vitali.

um...no

He didn't "coax" anyone into anything. Who else was Rahman gonna fight and get that kind of money? He had to wait years fro McCall because he was frozen out by King.

That "draw" might be the single worst desicion in the history of the sport.

The only one guy who you could make a case for deserving a rematch was Mercer.
Mercer, yes it could have been a draw but remember Lewis was to fight for the title next, tyson vacated it and so he fought mccall for it, meanwhile mercer beat Witherspoon in december 96 but did not fight again for 2 years because he got hepatitis, so the rematch couldnt happen anytime, its not lewis`s fault it didnt.

Lennox Lewis wanted no part of any top fighter when they were in their prime, holyfield was 5 years past it by the time lennox had the balls to fight him, then he wants to fight tyson 7 years removed from his last title reign, and when bowe was gonna fight him lewis DEManded purse parity, which is rediculous, bowe was the undisputed champion then. He even avoided Foreman like the plague because he knew old george would have starched him with one jab. then he retires because he knew he would lose a rematch to vitali(who sucks by the way).
the above statement is chillingly moronic.