Barry Sanders vs. LT and any other running back you can think off.
Barry Sanders is the best Running back of all time LT can't compare. :cool:

it really shows just how good lt is when people begin to compare him with barry sanders, jim brown, and walter payton. im not saying he is as good as any of them yet, he is only in his 5th year.


btw the chargers got the better deal when they traded vick.


tomlinson >>vick.

Barry Sanders vs. LT and any other running back you can think off.
Barry Sanders is the best Running back of all time LT can't compare. :cool:

sanders would beat him, but he isn't the greatest rb, that honor goes to jim brown!

http://www.nfl.com/images/2001/insider/JimBrown_TonyTomsic.jpg

Barry is the GOAT! The Lion's had a WEAK a$$ line when he was there, and he still got a ton of yards. If Barry had Emmitt's Oline he would have averaged close to 2000 yards every year! Barry only need one more year to smash Payton's record for yards. Emmitt got a gift the day Barry retired, and I am a F'ing Cowboys fan...

Barry is the GOAT! The Lion's had a WEAK a$$ line when he was there, and he still got a ton of yards. If Barry had Emmitt's Oline he would have averaged close to 2000 yards every year! Barry only need one more year to smash Payton's record for yards. Emmitt got a gift the day Barry retired, and I am a F'ing Cowboys fan...


bam!!

http://www.northernohiolive.com/archives/04-11nov/images/story1-2.jpg

Can't argue too much with Jim Brown as he was one of the top 5 GOAT RB's. One thing that won't allow me to rate Brown very high is he was WAY before his time. No doubt if he played today he would still have been a very good back, but would he be able to run everyone over like he did way back when today? I just dont see him dragging people like Ray Lewis, Warren Sapp, Julius Peppers all over the field as they are a different breed of FB player. I kind of think JB stat's were a little "inflated" because of his era. Not his fault just like its not Wilt's fault for being a whole foot taller than everyone else in the NBA. JB never had a 2000 yard season either.

Heres the stats.

JB's Stats
Rushing Receiving

Year Team G No. Yds. Avg. TD No. Yds. Avg. TD
1957 Cleveland 12 202 942 4.7 9 16 55 3.4 1
1958 Cleveland 12 257 1527 5.9 17 16 138 8.6 1
1959 Cleveland 12 290 1329 4.6 14 24 190 7.9 0
1960 Cleveland 12 215 1257 5.8 9 19 204 10.7 2
1961 Cleveland 14 305 1408 4.6 8 46 459 10.0 2
1962 Cleveland 14 230 996 4.3 13 47 517 11.0 5
1963 Cleveland 14 291 1863 6.4 12 24 268 11.2 3
1964 Cleveland 14 280 1446 5.2 7 36 340 9.4 2
1965 Cleveland 14 289 1544 5.3 17 34 328 9.6 4

Career Total 118 2359 12,312 5.2 106 262 2499 9.5 20

Barry's Stats
Rushing Receiving

Year Team G No. Yds. Avg. TD No. Yds. Avg. TD
1989 Detroit 15 280 1470 5.3 14 24 282 11.8 0
1990 Detroit 16 255 1304 5.1 13 36 480 13.3 3
1991 Detroit 15 342 1548 4.5 16 41 307 7.5 1
1992 Detroit 16 312 1352 4.3 9 29 225 7.8 1
1993 Detroit 11 243 1115 4.6 3 36 205 5.7 0
1994 Detroit 16 331 1883 5.7 7 44 283 6.4 1
1995 Detroit 16 314 1500 4.8 11 48 398 8.3 1
1996 Detroit 16 307 1553 5.1 11 24 147 6.1 0
1997 Detroit 16 335 2053 6.1 11 33 305 9.2 3
1998 Detroit 16 343 1491 4.3 4 37 289 7.8 0

Career Total 153 3062 15,269 5.0 99 352 2921 8.3 10

Barry was amazing
But Gale Sayers was (no words descrive how goood he was)
, in other words
he could own them two, if it wasnt for the injuries that made him retire basically in 68 games he made enough to be inducted in the hall of fame by age 34 :eek:
OJ, Jim Brown, and Sweetness are up there too

sorry the galloping ghost was REd Grange another great one

Can't argue too much with Jim Brown as he was one of the top 5 GOAT RB's. One thing that won't allow me to rate Brown very high is he was WAY before his time. No doubt if he played today he would still have been a very good back, but would he be able to run everyone over like he did way back when today? I just dont see him dragging people like Ray Lewis, Warren Sapp, Julius Peppers all over the field as they are a different breed of FB player. I kind of think JB stat's were a little "inflated" because of his era. Not his fault just like its not Wilt's fault for being a whole foot taller than everyone else in the NBA. JB never had a 2000 yard season either.

Heres the stats.

JB's Stats
Rushing Receiving

Year Team G No. Yds. Avg. TD No. Yds. Avg. TD
1957 Cleveland 12 202 942 4.7 9 16 55 3.4 1
1958 Cleveland 12 257 1527 5.9 17 16 138 8.6 1
1959 Cleveland 12 290 1329 4.6 14 24 190 7.9 0
1960 Cleveland 12 215 1257 5.8 9 19 204 10.7 2
1961 Cleveland 14 305 1408 4.6 8 46 459 10.0 2
1962 Cleveland 14 230 996 4.3 13 47 517 11.0 5
1963 Cleveland 14 291 1863 6.4 12 24 268 11.2 3
1964 Cleveland 14 280 1446 5.2 7 36 340 9.4 2
1965 Cleveland 14 289 1544 5.3 17 34 328 9.6 4

Career Total 118 2359 12,312 5.2 106 262 2499 9.5 20

Barry's Stats
Rushing Receiving

Year Team G No. Yds. Avg. TD No. Yds. Avg. TD
1989 Detroit 15 280 1470 5.3 14 24 282 11.8 0
1990 Detroit 16 255 1304 5.1 13 36 480 13.3 3
1991 Detroit 15 342 1548 4.5 16 41 307 7.5 1
1992 Detroit 16 312 1352 4.3 9 29 225 7.8 1
1993 Detroit 11 243 1115 4.6 3 36 205 5.7 0
1994 Detroit 16 331 1883 5.7 7 44 283 6.4 1
1995 Detroit 16 314 1500 4.8 11 48 398 8.3 1
1996 Detroit 16 307 1553 5.1 11 24 147 6.1 0
1997 Detroit 16 335 2053 6.1 11 33 305 9.2 3
1998 Detroit 16 343 1491 4.3 4 37 289 7.8 0

Career Total 153 3062 15,269 5.0 99 352 2921 8.3 10

jim brown played like 12 games in a season when now it's 16!

Barry was amazing
But Gale Sayers was (no words descrive how goood he was)
anybody who is called the galloping ghost, in other words
he could own them two,
OJ, Jim Brown, and Sweetness are up there too

yeah, he was a beast too!

http://www.ffbookmarks.com/Gale Sayers 3.jpg

Barry Sanders is a top 10 running back of all time, but not #1... but he's better than LT.

Barry had a horrible team surrounding him with no O-Line, no wide receivers, and no quarterback and still piled up yards and touchdowns. LT has the best blocking full back in the league and a well balanced O-Line to run through.

PS: Butterfly, due everybody a favor and take some of the pictures out of your sig so it's not a page long.

Red Grange 262 yards 4 TD's Vs Michigan in 12 minutes Michigan was the best defence in the country at the time

Barry Sanders=King

About his success as a football player, Grange had said, "They built my accomplishments way out of proportion. I never got the idea that I was a tremendous big shot. I could carry a football well, but there are a lot of doctors and teachers and engineers who could do their thing better than I."

jim brown played like 12 games in a season when now it's 16!

Well half of his stats were 12 games, and if you look at what I posted the other half were done with 14 games.

Again, its all about the era's. No way Jim Brown does what he did in todays NFL.

Barry Sanders vs. LT and any other running back you can think off.
Barry Sanders is the best Running back of all time LT can't compare. :cool:

sanders holds the most negative yards for any running back i believe

EVERYONE on the opposing team knew the football was going into Jim Brown's hands. They still couldn't do a thing. His 5+ yard avg. per carry is simply astounding considering the defenses back then defended the run first.

It wouldn't argue if anyone claimed Jim Brown to be the greatest football player ever, period.

btw the chargers got the better deal when they traded vick.


tomlinson >>vick.
Without a doubt.

I also agree that it's too early to compare LT to the all-timers.......yet.

EVERYONE on the opposing team knew the football was going into Jim Brown's hands. They still couldn't do a thing. His 5+ yard avg. per carry is simply astounding considering the defenses back then defended the run first.

It wouldn't argue if anyone claimed Jim Brown to be the greatest football player ever, period.

It's always great to see a comment by cple. The guy is intelligent and respectful.

I can see a case being made for Brown based on his YPC which was amazing. However in my opinion his relatively short career hurts him in the GOAT discussion. Personally I would rank Walter Peyton and Emmitt Smith as #1 and 1A.

As for LT, the guy is off to a great start but he still has a long way to go before he is included in the GOAT discussion. He reminds me a little of Eric Dickerson. In fact a better question would be...

Who had the better first 4 seaons, LT or ED?

LT:

CAREER RUSHING STATS
Year Team G Rush Yds Avg Lg TD
2001 SD 16 339 1236 3.6 54 10
2002 SD 16 372 1683 4.5 76 14
2003 SD 16 313 1645 5.3 73 13
2004 SD 15 339 1335 3.9 42 17


CAREER RECEIVING STATS
Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Lg TD
2001 SD 16 59 367 6.2 27 0
2002 SD 16 79 489 6.2 30 1
2003 SD 16 100 725 7.3 73 4
2004 SD 15 53 441 8.3 74 1

ED:

+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1983 ram | 16 | 390 1808 4.6 18 | 51 404 7.9 2 |
| 1984 ram | 16 | 379 2105 5.6 14 | 21 139 6.6 0 |
| 1985 ram | 14 | 292 1234 4.2 12 | 20 126 6.3 0 |
| 1986 ram | 16 | 404 1821 4.5 11 | 26 205 7.9 0 |

It's always great to see a comment by cple. The guy is intelligent and respectful.

I can see a case being made for Brown based on his YPC which was amazing. However in my opinion his relatively short career hurts him in the GOAT discussion. Personally I would rank Walter Peyton and Emmitt Smith as #1 and 1A.

As for LT, the guy is off to a great start but he still has a long way to go before he is included in the GOAT discussion. He reminds me a little of Eric Dickerson. In fact a better question would be...

Who had the better first 4 seaons, LT or ED?

LT:

CAREER RUSHING STATS
Year Team G Rush Yds Avg Lg TD
2001 SD 16 339 1236 3.6 54 10
2002 SD 16 372 1683 4.5 76 14
2003 SD 16 313 1645 5.3 73 13
2004 SD 15 339 1335 3.9 42 17


CAREER RECEIVING STATS
Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Lg TD
2001 SD 16 59 367 6.2 27 0
2002 SD 16 79 489 6.2 30 1
2003 SD 16 100 725 7.3 73 4
2004 SD 15 53 441 8.3 74 1

ED:

+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1983 ram | 16 | 390 1808 4.6 18 | 51 404 7.9 2 |
| 1984 ram | 16 | 379 2105 5.6 14 | 21 139 6.6 0 |
| 1985 ram | 14 | 292 1234 4.2 12 | 20 126 6.3 0 |
| 1986 ram | 16 | 404 1821 4.5 11 | 26 205 7.9 0 |
great comparison, i would score it a draw but how about lt's 2003 year. he ran for 1600 and 13 td's and got 700+ yards in the air and 4 touchdowns.

dickersons 84' has to be an all time season, 2105 yards :eek: thats insane.

I believe he has the record for most broken ankles.


what about preist holmes and LT.

I believe he has the record for most broken ankles.


what about preist holmes and LT.Forget Priest Holmes how about Shaun Alexander of the Seahawks, that guy has it all size, speed, vision(which LT doesn't have) and patience. By the way I'll take the 5'7 monster in Barry Sanders over Tomlinson any day. As for the greatest of all-time Bo Vincent Jackson => over Vick and Deion Sanders.

Barry's weak o-line was not that bad since they used a run n shoot offense which allows you not be so badly exposed for having a weak ol.

Emmitt KO11 Barry.

And no, LT doesn't have the moves that Barry had. He's not as great yet either but we'll see what happens.

Brown also had the size advantage over everyone on the field. In today's game, he probably would not have faired as well, because the guys were so much bigger-- he couldn't just run them over.

LT is having a good season this year, too. 1086 rushing, 315 recieving, 47 passing with 3 TD's, not bad... not bad at all.