The game plan could almost read like a Mexican round robin. The seeds were sown by the Barrera V Morales trilogy, but now threaten to grow narrowly out of proportion, withering rosy options for outsiders.

The principal victim in the medium to long term issue, could easily be Manny Pacquiao. After proving himself so much, much more than just a thorn in the side, by pummeling Marco Antonio Barrera in eleven lop sided rounds, a re-match would have netted Manny even more money, while Marco would have had an opportunity to back up the claim that he’d suffered a rare and one off bad night.

Instead the men in the suits with the money, arranged for the third chapter of an all Mexican Vendetta. And very profitable at the box office it proved.

Now WBA and IBF Featherweight Champion and fellow Mexican Juan Manuel Marquez is also keen to take a leaf out of this book. Momentarily daring to look past his February 26th clash with Manny, Juan Manuel has just confided that, confident of boxing his way to victory, his favored next opponent for real big time pay, would be none other than Marco. [details (http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=469)]

If you really come to think of it, it's not the Mexican fighters themselves. It's the MIB's!! The Men In Black. The promoters and managers in black suits. They are the ones holding the gamesticks and pressing all the buttons!! :mad:

If you really come to think of it, it's not the Mexican fighters themselves. It's the MIB's!! The Men In Black. The promoters and managers in black suits. They are the ones holding the gamesticks and pressing all the buttons!! :mad:
the mexicans are monopolizing the lower weight division. it's more than just boxing for them... it's all business... no glory!

boo!

the mexicans are monopolizing the lower weight division. it's more than just boxing for them... it's all business... no glory!

boo!

uh-oh...here come the mexicans in legions.

there's a mexican-american connection here...
americans rule the heavier-weight divisions
mexicans rule the lower-weight divisions

not all boxers coming from these two countries are good... these boxers just have greedy promoters

promoters who buy points from judges
promoters who arranges mismatches in order for their fighters to win without sweating that much

alot of boxers from other parts of the globe are better than those who monopolizes the scene, they just need to be given breaks

remember lennox, tszu, in jin chi, pacquiao, etc. these fighters have proven themselves to be better than their mexican or american counterparts

If this "hogging" is happening, we can only blame those who patronize or pay good money to watch these questionable fights.

I think paying customers should demand good fights all the time. Then again who knows what's going on the minds of boxing fans!!

There's also the saying the customer is always right. Maybe its about time those who believe that good fights should be rewarded must put their $$$$$ where their mouths are.

there's a mexican-american connection here...
americans rule the heavier-weight divisions
mexicans rule the lower-weight divisions

not all boxers coming from these two countries are good... these boxers just have greedy promoters
The thing is: why do they have the belts? When there are absolutely better fighters around? In this business, it's not who or what you are. It's who you are with. These are the people who CAN manipulate things, who CAN push their weight around and who CAN buy anything or anyone! You're doomed to extinction if you can't afford a Don King or a Bob Arum!!

(With exception, of course...like Pacman!)

the mexicans are monopolizing the lower weight division. it's more than just boxing for them... it's all business... no glory!

boo!


One of the dumbest ****ing statements I have ever heard. Do you have any idea what it means to a Mexican kid to be a world champion and what that comes pride that comes with? to say that Mexican just fight for money and not pride is laughable.

Lennox Lewis=KO'ed by two Americans
Kostya Tszy= KO'ed by Vince Phillips and American
Chi= Lost to Morales a Mexican

Just because you see one or two fighters from the outside come in doesn't mean every in there countries are as good as they are. The reason they got those "breaks" is because they were so good.

If you good they will find you.

One of the dumbest ****ing statements I have ever heard. Do you have any idea what it means to a Mexican kid to be a world champion and what that comes pride that comes with? to say that Mexican just fight for money and not pride is laughable.

Lennox Lewis=KO'ed by two Americans
Kostya Tszy= KO'ed by Vince Phillips and American
Chi= Lost to Morales a Mexican

Just because you see one or two fighters from the outside come in doesn't mean every in there countries are as good as they are. The reason they got those "breaks" is because they were so good.

If you good they will find you.

yodsanan & joan guzman are two good fighters who deserve their break in the american arena...however promoters are still hesitant to put their money on them.

yodsanan & joan guzman are two good fighters who deserve their break in the american arena...however promoters are still hesitant to put their money on them.


Guzman is having problems trying break away from Warren thats why he fights only once a year and if im not mistake 3-K Battery just signed with an American promotor.

Guzman is having problems trying break away from Warren thats why he fights only once a year and if im not mistake 3-K Battery just signed with an American promotor.

good to hear that jose, i hope both two fighters would have the chance to show their wares in the u.s. i really like to see these fighters put their skills to the test against the best out there. for one i would love to see yodsanan takes erik morales and joan guzman to test his mettle with either pac, jmm or mab, that is if he wants to move up to 126 (which i think he should).

One of the dumbest ****ing statements I have ever heard. Do you have any idea what it means to a Mexican kid to be a world champion and what that comes pride that comes with? to say that Mexican just fight for money and not pride is laughable.

Lennox Lewis=KO'ed by two Americans
Kostya Tszy= KO'ed by Vince Phillips and American
Chi= Lost to Morales a Mexican

Just because you see one or two fighters from the outside come in doesn't mean every in there countries are as good as they are. The reason they got those "breaks" is because they were so good.

If you good they will find you.

they dont find all the good ones, lennox, Tszyu, Chi, Pacquiao are just the tip of the iceberg....

Let 'em hog. Its a good way of making money and they are entitled to do it.

they dont find all the good ones, lennox, Tszyu, Chi, Pacquiao are just the tip of the iceberg....


yeah they pretty much do

Thats pretty funny hogging the lower weight division fights. No one says that about Trinidad, Hopkins, Winky, DLH, Mosely, and soon tszyu. All they say is I just want BIG fights, they dont fight any up and comers just themselves... and i really mean just themselves and 1 time a year to boot.

Meanwhile all of a sudden Erik Morales who fights 3 times a year, waited years in between rematches with Barrera, in which length he became 3 division champ, fought fighters from all over the world that were near or at the top is a Hog. Thats BS.

There is one way to get to the top and thats through entertaining the crowd, and thats what Erik was talking about how he has to work a little harder to make the money than some other non-Mexican fighters. Of course Erik can box from the outside against some of the less skilled fighters he's fought. Of course he can jab a man to a 12th round victory and semi-run all night. But if he did, he wouldnt get 1/6th the money or exposure a fighter that does that such as Mayweather makes.

That is the road any fighter who wants to make it to the top that isnt American has to take. You have to entertain even if you take punishment in the process. When your TV debut comes around you better be ready. Most unknown fighters wether it be chi, harrison, etc etc, all still live and fight in their countries making an North America TV debut nearly impossible. They need to fight on this side and they gotta put on a show and if they want to make the money and get the big fights. Pacquiao isnt at the top because he caught a break. He is at the top because he worked his ass off for it and was wildy entertaining. Just as was Morales having so much boxing skill always fighting down to his opponents level to make it entertaining.

Remember, the money is here, the fighters are here, and therefore most of the scouts are here as well.

So
#1 Fight in North America especially the states
#2 Fight on TV
#3 Entertain the Crowd

Thats pretty funny hogging the lower weight division fights. No one says that about Trinidad, Hopkins, Winky, DLH, Mosely, and soon tszyu. All they say is I just want BIG fights, they dont fight any up and comers just themselves... and i really mean just themselves and 1 time a year to boot.

Meanwhile all of a sudden Erik Morales who fights 3 times a year, waited years in between rematches with Barrera, in which length he became 3 division champ, fought fighters from all over the world that were near or at the top is a Hog. Thats BS.

There is one way to get to the top and thats through entertaining the crowd, and thats what Erik was talking about how he has to work a little harder to make the money than some other non-Mexican fighters. Of course Erik can box from the outside against some of the less skilled fighters he's fought. Of course he can jab a man to a 12th round victory and semi-run all night. But if he did, he wouldnt get 1/6th the money or exposure a fighter that does that such as Mayweather makes.

That is the road any fighter who wants to make it to the top that isnt American has to take. You have to entertain even if you take punishment in the process. When your TV debut comes around you better be ready. Most unknown fighters wether it be chi, harrison, etc etc, all still live and fight in their countries making an North America TV debut nearly impossible. They need to fight on this side and they gotta put on a show and if they want to make the money and get the big fights. Pacquiao isnt at the top because he caught a break. He is at the top because he worked his ass off for it and was wildy entertaining. Just as was Morales having so much boxing skill always fighting down to his opponents level to make it entertaining.

Remember, the money is here, the fighters are here, and therefore most of the scouts are here as well.

So
#1 Fight in North America especially the states
#2 Fight on TV
#3 Entertain the Crowd
Quite a mouthful there. But good points! Let me just add a 4th and most important of all - Get the best promoter you can find!!

If you have a run-of-the-mill promoter, chances are you'll get run-of-the-mill matches! It's not a guarantee, but top-notch promoters can spell big breaks and big fights!

they dont find all the good ones, lennox, Tszyu, Chi, Pacquiao are just the tip of the iceberg....
in my theory, promoters are not keen on looking for prospects in Asia (for example) because they are having second thoughts when it comes to marketability of the fight. Modern boxing is not just boxing per se, but boxing with commercial value.