View Full Version : Juan Diaz vs. Zahir Raheem


TuPrincipe
11-25-2005, 07:26 PM
I'm suprised this fight hasn't been talked about with you guys?

I myself think Juan Diaz is too small for 140, and he should move down to 135, and Raheem should move up because that's where the big fights are.

Thoughts on this bout?

BLOODSHED
11-25-2005, 07:29 PM
The shaky part is Raheems chin. Dont know much about it tho, but his defense is air tight. Raheem UD... boring fight.

TuPrincipe
11-25-2005, 07:33 PM
The shaky part is Raheems chin. Dont know much about it tho, but his defense is air tight. Raheem UD... boring fight.

I dont think so. Raheem has a serious balance problem. All those supposed "slips" in the Morales fight were because of his poor balance.

I would favour Juan Diaz to knock him out in 8 because Juan is too young, hungry, and determined for Raheem.

I have to give Raheem props though. He fought an excellent fight against Morales. He deserves his due.

riz
11-25-2005, 07:34 PM
raheem has problems with balance, but hes an excellent fighter

BLOODSHED
11-25-2005, 07:38 PM
I never seen a person lose a fight because of balance issues.
I dont think so. Raheem has a serious balance problem. All those supposed "slips" in the Morales fight were because of his poor balance.

I would favour Juan Diaz to knock him out in 8 because Juan is too young, hungry, and determined for Raheem.

I have to give Raheem props though. He fought an excellent fight against Morales. He deserves his due.

borikua
11-25-2005, 07:40 PM
Is this fight scheduled already?....Diaz by ko.

TuPrincipe
11-25-2005, 07:42 PM
I never seen a person lose a fight because of balance issues.

Well then you just don't know boxing.

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
11-25-2005, 07:51 PM
Well then you just don't know boxing.

Raheem, by UD.

Diaz isnt effective enough.

Also Raheem is good where he is, he should stay at 130. at 140 everyone is too big for him. In fact at 135... certain guys are too big for him, (Castillo, Corrales).

BLOODSHED
11-25-2005, 08:10 PM
You can argue if he was slipping or if it really was balance. I choose to think he was slipping in that fight. It wasn't like Morales was causing the "slipping" either.
Well then you just don't know boxing.

scap
11-25-2005, 08:18 PM
Raheem's two big fights...Morales and Juarez were both fights where if you wre rooting against Raheem you were screaming at the TV for his two opponenets to let their ****ing hands go.

Morales looked alot like Tito Trinidad as did Rocky Juarez...neither of these guys should fight a mover like Raheem and if they do then they will lose again.

With Diaz...sure we can rag on him for his lack of power and his soft 135 pound skin but what we can not rag on him for is his relentlessness and his willingness to simply let his mother****ing hands go and go and go.

As some have already pointed out Raheem had balance trouble against Morales...in fact he had that same trouble against Rocky...I believe the pressure of the Baby Bull would definatley be the difference in this fight.

A win vs. Raheem could possibly mean a PPV showdown with Morales or Barerra...this is a fight that TEAM DIAZ should be pursuing as opposed to fights with Chico or Castillo which are fights that TEAM DIAZ should be staying the **** away from.

Very interesting matchup!

dino
11-25-2005, 08:59 PM
raheem by easy UD

rsl
11-25-2005, 09:25 PM
I'm suprised this fight hasn't been talked about with you guys?

I myself think Juan Diaz is too small for 140, and he should move down to 135, and Raheem should move up because that's where the big fights are.

Thoughts on this bout?I'm not too sure which Diaz you have in mind too many of 'em named Juan, Jorge, Jose,etc.. it all starts to sound the same, but if we're talking about the "Baby Bull" then this match-up sucks. Here's why.... Diaz is nothing but a paper lion, I admire the kid's work ethic it shows in the ring. The kid has been fed bums and will continue to be fed bums for as long as they can get away w/ it. The kid has very limited skills. He throws punches in bunches against guys that are statues. I've seen the kid in fights against guys who moved even just a little bit and he had some fits w/ it. What more against a world-class talent like Zahir, he will end up being tentative and may possibly get tko'd by the generally light-hitting Raheem who has some sting in his punches, the fact that Diaz tends to rush in and wide with them hooks he'll get caught over and over by the natural counterpuncher in Raheem who's also quite a sharpshooter...just ask his amigo "El ***o".

TuPrincipe
11-25-2005, 11:00 PM
I think Diaz is just too young, strong, well-conditioned and determined for Zahir. Despite his wonderful win-Raheem IMO has always been a bit weak in the legs. His balance is awful for his style.

Diaz is a fighter who punches in bunches, and is a very game fighter and I think he would cause Diaz some problems because of the high workrate.

RwK
11-25-2005, 11:27 PM
Is this fight scheduled already?....Diaz by ko.


I second that.

Raheem looked good against a blown up Morales....but is going to get ****ing toasted by body shots.

Baby Bull is way out of his leauge as a fighter also.

Raheem = Overrated.

Diaz = Rising Superstar.

Mech.
11-25-2005, 11:31 PM
I second that.

Raheem looked good against a blown up Morales....but is going to get ****ing toasted by body shots.

Baby Bull is way out of his leauge as a fighter also.

Raheem = Overrated.

Diaz = Rising Superstar.

Thats pretty big praise for Diaz,he's still to prove it i think.Id love this matchup to happen,Its not like Raheem has fights lined up

RwK
11-25-2005, 11:33 PM
I'm not too sure which Diaz you have in mind too many of 'em named Juan, Jorge, Jose,etc.. it all starts to sound the same, but if we're talking about the "Baby Bull" then this match-up sucks.


That is so racist.....its hilarious.

You sir......are a complete ****ing tool.

KidBlackie
11-25-2005, 11:40 PM
I'm surprised Martha Stewert ain't tapped you to come up with a new lemon caca meringe pie for her magazine.

It just so happens Diaz has held the WBA 135 belt for over a year and 2 title defenses. I guess somewhere in your world he needs to move down to be where he already is. Whatever.

As far as Raheem goes, well he looked a lot stronger against Morales than he looked against Juarez, so he should stay at lightweight and make himself a mandatory challenger, not that I give him much chance against Castillo or Corrales.

TuPrincipe
11-25-2005, 11:41 PM
I second that.

Raheem looked good against a blown up Morales....but is going to get ****ing toasted by body shots.

Baby Bull is way out of his leauge as a fighter also.

Raheem = Overrated.

Diaz = Rising Superstar.

I think your comment about Diaz being a rising superstar is a bit premature. He hasn't proved much yet, and at 140 although He is a very game fighter, He will get torched by all of the top guys.

Raheem always seemed a bit chinny to me, and his balance is awful for his style. He has a very tricky style, but I think he will come up short against a determined, hard-working puncher.

KidBlackie
11-25-2005, 11:41 PM
I'm suprised this fight hasn't been talked about with you guys?

I myself think Juan Diaz is too small for 140, and he should move down to 135, and Raheem should move up because that's where the big fights are.

Thoughts on this bout?
I'm surprised Martha Stewert ain't tapped you to come up with a new lemon caca meringe pie for her magazine.

It just so happens Diaz has held the WBA 135 belt for over a year and 2 title defenses. I guess somewhere in your world he needs to move down to be where he already is. Whatever.

As far as Raheem goes, well he looked a lot stronger against Morales than he looked against Juarez, so he should stay at lightweight and make himself a mandatory challenger, not that I give him much chance against Castillo or Corrales.

TuPrincipe
11-25-2005, 11:45 PM
I'm surprised Martha Stewert ain't tapped you to come up with a new lemon caca meringe pie for her magazine.

It just so happens Diaz has held the WBA 135 belt for over a year and 2 title defenses. I guess somewhere in your world he needs to move down to be where he already is. Whatever.

As far as Raheem goes, well he looked a lot stronger against Morales than he looked against Juarez, so he should stay at lightweight and make himself a mandatory challenger, not that I give him much chance against Castillo or Corrales.

Settle down tiger, I made a mistake.

rsl
11-25-2005, 11:48 PM
That is so racist.....its hilarious.

You sir......are a complete ****ing tool.And only a person w/ an oppressed mentality would think it was such, there's nothing r@cist about it. Very easy to mix up Juan from Jose to Jorge and makes it even tougher when they all have the same last name, plus the fact that I've been out of touch w/ boxing and only pay attention to the big fights.

BLOODSHED
11-25-2005, 11:50 PM
Lets not forget, Raheem is an olympian. Diaz is still very green. Im sure Raheem would know how to neutralize him like Lewis did against Tua.

TuPrincipe
11-25-2005, 11:51 PM
And only a person w/ an oppressed mentality would think it was such, there's nothing r@cist about it. Very easy to mix up Juan from Jose to Jorge and makes it even tougher when they all have the same last name, plus the fact that I've been out of touch w/ boxing and only pay attention to the big fights.

You forgot Juan and Antonio ;)

BLOODSHED
11-25-2005, 11:55 PM
I didnt say the racism in that statement.

You're still cool RSL.
And only a person w/ an oppressed mentality would think it was such, there's nothing r@cist about it. Very easy to mix up Juan from Jose to Jorge and makes it even tougher when they all have the same last name, plus the fact that I've been out of touch w/ boxing and only pay attention to the big fights.

rsl
11-25-2005, 11:59 PM
I second that.

Raheem looked good against a blown up Morales....but is going to get ****ing toasted by body shots.

Baby Bull is way out of his leauge as a fighter also.

Raheem = Overrated.

Diaz = Rising Superstar.Calling me a tool, the fact that you think Zahir will get ko'd by Diaz, you sure as hell don't know boxing
Baby Bull= Friday Night fight hype

Zahir Raheem= although a bit small compared to the likes of Castillo and Corrales is a legit talent an accomplished amateur, psst.. so you are telling me that size was the main factor in his victory over Morales, didn't you hear what Morales said in the post fight interview he claimed the reason to his defeat was because Zahir ran, so how can ones size be a factor if he "ran" for the most part.
Morales-sssloooow

Raheem- Lightning quick

"SPEED KILLS"

RwK
11-26-2005, 12:08 AM
Calling me a tool, the fact that you think Zahir will get ko'd by Diaz, you sure as hell don't know boxing
Baby Bull= Friday Night fight hype

Zahir Raheem= although a bit small compared to the likes of Castillo and Corrales is a legit talent an accomplished amateur, psst.. so you are telling me that size was the main factor in his victory over Morales, didn't you hear what Morales said in the post fight interview he claimed the reason to his defeat was because Zahir ran, so how can ones size be a factor if he "ran" for the most part.
Morales-sssloooow

Raheem- Lightning quick

"SPEED KILLS"

Oh yeah?

Friday night Hype?

Is that why he walked through Ebo Elder, Lavka Sim, and Joel Perez, and remains undefeated as a pro?

Because he is hyped? LOL.

Raheem lost to another overrated fighter in Rocky Juarez.....and I thought he legitimately lost despite people calling it a robbery.

Amateur background means dick. TOS had an amateur record of 110-2 or something like that....and look how he turned out.

Unbelieveable post.

Morales was "slow" because he was blown up at 135 and only someone who is ignorant would not admit that.

Oh yeah.....and this just in.

Saying someone is blown up and was the reason they lost the fight was not because of size. Morales if anything was bigger than Raheem.

Its the fact that is not his natural weight....so don't put words in my mouth.

BLOODSHED
11-26-2005, 12:11 AM
Good post. Except Baby Bull might seem like hype but its ok. Hes still young.
Calling me a tool, the fact that you think Zahir will get ko'd by Diaz, you sure as hell don't know boxing
Baby Bull= Friday Night fight hype

Zahir Raheem= although a bit small compared to the likes of Castillo and Corrales is a legit talent an accomplished amateur, psst.. so you are telling me that size was the main factor in his victory over Morales, didn't you hear what Morales said in the post fight interview he claimed the reason to his defeat was because Zahir ran, so how can ones size be a factor if he "ran" for the most part.
Morales-sssloooow

Raheem- Lightning quick

"SPEED KILLS"

BLOODSHED
11-26-2005, 12:12 AM
That was a robbery... Juarez lost.
Oh yeah?

Friday night Hype?

Is that why he walked through Ebo Elder, Lavka Sim, and Joel Perez, and remains undefeated as a pro?

Because he is hyped? LOL.

Raheem lost to another overrated fighter in Rocky Juarez.....and I thought he legitimately lost despite people calling it a robbery.

Amateur background means dick. TOS had an amateur record of 110-2 or something like that....and look how he turned out.

Unbelieveable post.

Morales was "slow" because he was blown up at 135 and only someone who is ignorant would not admit that.

Oh yeah.....and this just in.

Saying someone is blown up and was the reason they lost the fight was not because of size. Morales if anything was bigger than Raheem.

Its the fact that is not his natural weight....so don't put words in my mouth.

rsl
11-26-2005, 12:21 AM
Oh yeah?

Friday night Hype?

Is that why he walked through Ebo Elder, Lavka Sim, and Joel Perez, and remains undefeated as a pro?

Because he is hyped? LOL.

Raheem lost to another overrated fighter in Rocky Juarez.....and I thought he legitimately lost despite people calling it a robbery.

Amateur background means dick. TOS had an amateur record of 110-2 or something like that....and look how he turned out.

Unbelieveable post.

Morales was "slow" because he was blown up at 135 and only someone who is ignorant would not admit that.
Dude did you just bring up the names Lavka Sim, Ebo "My Dad and Mom were siblings and they had me" Elder and I don't even know who the f*ck Joel Perez is nor does anybody in this forum... All these guys have one thing in common= BUMS. As far as amateur background means nothing... Umm no wonder the likes of Manny Steward, Hagler, and Holyfield strongly encourages top amateurs to stay longer... Yeah it doesn't always mean being successful in the pro's but have you seen the quality of today's pro fighters compared to yester-years they generally suck and that is because they don't stay long enough in the amateurs to truly hone their skills... Too much PPV not enough amateur background and what do you get ex-Ukrainian bouncers , typical American thugs , orange pickers flooding pro boxing. So you end up getting a bunch of manufactured fighters w/ no real boxing skill. Dude Morales has always been slow, Raheem has fought @ 126lbs. for most of his pro career. Anyway the fight could've taken place at straw-weight for all I care it would've ended up the same way Rabbit vs. Turtle

RwK
11-26-2005, 12:23 AM
orange pickers flooding pro boxing.

KKK rally coming to a town near you soon.

Please sign up.

trinidadpr87
11-26-2005, 12:28 AM
I don't think Juan has the power to ko Raheem with that being said i think Raheem stops him late or wins via decision.

rsl
11-26-2005, 12:29 AM
KKK rally coming to a town near you soon.

Please sign up.Again what is racist about it. Instead try to back your ***** up w/ some boxing knowledge and eliminate the excuses such as weight, being a f*cking retard, etc...

riz
11-26-2005, 12:34 AM
I second that.

Raheem looked good against a blown up Morales....but is going to get ****ing toasted by body shots.

Baby Bull is way out of his leauge as a fighter also.

Raheem = Overrated.

Diaz = Rising Superstar.
u know we usually agree, but i gotta part wasy with u this time man. honestly raheem was UNDERrated until he fought morales. now i do agree with u, on the basis that 135 isnt morales weight. but still, he did beat him pretty good. so i gotta give him props for that.
also he doesn't have the greates of power (diaz) 14KO's in 28 fights.

my prediction is raheem ud12. jus slick boxing

adeelr
11-26-2005, 12:37 AM
raheem has problems with balance, but hes an excellent fighter
Zahir is not that great, jus cuz he beat morales on a bad night everybody made him da man....any real fighter would beat this chump easy.

TuPrincipe
11-26-2005, 12:40 AM
u know we usually agree, but i gotta part wasy with u this time man. honestly raheem was UNDERrated until he fought morales. now i do agree with u, on the basis that 135 isnt morales weight. but still, he did beat him pretty good. so i gotta give him props for that.
also he doesn't have the greates of power (diaz) 14KO's in 28 fights.

my prediction is raheem ud12. jus slick boxing

Diaz has very underated power. He has good power, not great but it's enough to get your attention.

A fighter with a high workrate will always cause Zahir problems because of his sloppy balance. He is very chinny, and has little to no pop to his punches.

Raheem - Juarez really tells the story. Raheem got rocked on many occasions and Juarez landed the harder, more telling blows. On top of that, Raheem only seemed to hold when He was in trouble and never fought back.

BLOODSHED
11-26-2005, 12:41 AM
On a bad night? LOL. Someones in denial.
Zahir is not that great, jus cuz he beat morales on a bad night everybody made him da man....any real fighter would beat this chump easy.

RwK
11-26-2005, 02:50 AM
Again what is racist about it. Instead try to back your ***** up w/ some boxing knowledge and eliminate the excuses such as weight, being a f*cking retard, etc...

You have proven no boxing knowledge yourself.

All you did what type long winded justifications for why you rate a fighter based on his amateur career.

Sorry nice try houdini.

Typing more characters on the screen does not mean you are right.

Hitman932
11-26-2005, 03:19 AM
i think juan diaz is 22 years old.

oh wait, i mean i know he is 22 years old.

oh wait, he already has a belt....

oh wait, he wants to fight the guy that beat eric morales....

why dont you give the guy credit just for having balls to take a fight like this.... that is.... if this fight is happening.... i dont see anything concrete that it is.

rsl
11-26-2005, 11:08 AM
You have proven no boxing knowledge yourself.

All you did what type long winded justifications for why you rate a fighter based on his amateur career.

Sorry nice try houdini.

Typing more characters on the screen does not mean you are right.What exactly does "boxing knowledge" mean to you? The fact that you brought up Diaz's previous opponents like Sim, Perez, and Elder to prove Diaz's legitimacy is downright laughable. I'm not like some of the guys here who go to b*xrec for every single little thing and suddenly talk like they're the bible of boxing for example like that guy "Sir Josie".

rsl
11-26-2005, 11:28 AM
Raheem's two big fights...Morales and Juarez were both fights where if you wre rooting against Raheem you were screaming at the TV for his two opponenets to let their ****ing hands go.

Morales looked alot like Tito Trinidad as did Rocky Juarez...neither of these guys should fight a mover like Raheem and if they do then they will lose again.

With Diaz...sure we can rag on him for his lack of power and his soft 135 pound skin but what we can not rag on him for is his relentlessness and his willingness to simply let his mother****ing hands go and go and go.

As some have already pointed out Raheem had balance trouble against Morales...in fact he had that same trouble against Rocky...I believe the pressure of the Baby Bull would definatley be the difference in this fight.

A win vs. Raheem could possibly mean a PPV showdown with Morales or Barerra...this is a fight that TEAM DIAZ should be pursuing as opposed to fights with Chico or Castillo which are fights that TEAM DIAZ should be staying the **** away from.

Very interesting matchup!
Scap, if these two were to actually fight. I think the one that is gonna have the balance problems is Diaz and not Zahir. That's because Diaz cannot punch on the move, just when Diaz is about to get set to throw a punch Raheem is gonna be outta there and punching. Zahir will be moving from side to side and the kid Diaz is gonna look lost and get overwhelmed w/ the speed and movement of Zahir. Diaz is way too methodical to be on par w/ a fluid fighter like Raheem.

Memorex
11-26-2005, 12:08 PM
i think juan diaz is 22 years old.

oh wait, i mean i know he is 22 years old.

oh wait, he already has a belt....

oh wait, he wants to fight the guy that beat eric morales....

why dont you give the guy credit just for having balls to take a fight like this.... that is.... if this fight is happening.... i dont see anything concrete that it is.
juan diaz is a prime example of a paper champ. he's fought a bunch of nobody's.he was gonna fight ebo but then diaz hurt.after that diaz being a ***** that he is , did not reshedule the fight. diaz will never get my respect , yea i know he's from houston i dont care.diaz makes me wanna train and beat the **** out of his fat,ugly ass!

Hitman932
11-26-2005, 01:58 PM
juan diaz is a prime example of a paper champ. he's fought a bunch of nobody's.he was gonna fight ebo but then diaz hurt.after that diaz being a ***** that he is , did not reshedule the fight. diaz will never get my respect , yea i know he's from houston i dont care.diaz makes me wanna train and beat the **** out of his fat,ugly ass!


HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE !!!!!


but seriously, is this fight actually going to be made?? or is this just hypothetical bull****?

scap
11-26-2005, 06:42 PM
Scap, if these two were to actually fight. I think the one that is gonna have the balance problems is Diaz and not Zahir. That's because Diaz cannot punch on the move, just when Diaz is about to get set to throw a punch Raheem is gonna be outta there and punching. Zahir will be moving from side to side and the kid Diaz is gonna look lost and get overwhelmed w/ the speed and movement of Zahir. Diaz is way too methodical to be on par w/ a fluid fighter like Raheem.


I like the volume of the Baby Bull but I cant argue with what you say...if Diaz does in fact have to have his feet set (cant adapt) when he is lettin his hands go then it could be an easy night for Raheem.

Either way I think we would find out almost immediately how the fight would play out.

the giant one
11-26-2005, 06:45 PM
when did this fight get made? is raheem replacing Lakava Sim on the 15th?

TuPrincipe
11-26-2005, 09:03 PM
keep in mind this is all hypothetical.