No issues or debate - just how good is he from 1 to 10?

I gave him an 8. Thats a prime Jones of course.

If you go just on talent he's top ten all time.

But if you go on career he makes top 50.

I say he was a 7 that could have been a ten if he had more of a fire inside instead of the fear of being hurt seriously.

I say he was a 7 that could have been a ten if he had more of a fire inside instead of the fear of being hurt seriously.


Hit the nail right on the head

I gave him an 8
Roy Jones Jr. was defintely one of boxings greats

i gave him a 8 also...he is good no doubt and even tho he didnt face that one guy who i forget his name to win the belt...everyone knows by jones skills he could have beaten him

i believe his weight shifts (he went up and won fast) affected him late in his career (not trying to make excuses either tho)
but he was great...if he were a middleweight he would still be undeafeated and beat eveyone even UD hopkins and would have ko'ed DLH in 3rounds or less

robbed of gold medal at 1988 Olympics due to a scoring error; still voted Outstanding Boxer of the Games; won IBF middleweight crown, beating Bernard Hopkins in 1993; moved up to super middleweight and won IBF title from James Toney in 1994; moved up to light heavyweight, winning WBC (1997), WBA (1998) and IBF titles (1999); suffered only pro loss in a DQ to Montel Griffin which he avenged with a 1st rd. KO 5 months later; made move to heavyweight in 2003, beating John Ruiz in a unanimous decision for WBA belt.and the third world Light Heavyweight champion in history (after Michael Spinks and Michael Moorer) to win the world's Heavyweight title.Gave him a 9.

definetly he is very good p4p fighter of all time...

If you throw out all the meaningless titles, Roy never accomplished jack **** besides beating James Toney.

If you throw out all the meaningless titles, Roy never accomplished jack **** besides beating James Toney.

Yep. Right on, my man.

:)

I give him an eight. Sad thing is, that he had the potential of a nine, maybe a ten.

im a big jones nuthugger, so yes i gave him a ten. as far as skills go i think he deserves a ten. he showed us things in the ring that nobody has ever done in the history of the sport, his accomplishments will always be looked down upon but his talent as a fighter is something no one can deny.

I gave him 10 purely because he is the most talented fighter i have seen in my era of watching boxing. Some of the moves he could do is mind blowing. He has said he picked bits of his favourite fighters styles and combined them into one style he could utilise well. He did a good job :cool:

I think at one time he was a 9 an outstanding fighter but like most great boxers when the speed and reflexes go so do they.

I gave him a 9 - simply some of the best reflexes, speed, movement, that has ever graced the ring. You just could not lay a glove on the guy in his prime.

If you throw out all the meaningless titles, Roy never accomplished jack **** besides beating James Toney.


You're kidding right?!

Let's see, besides winning titles, exactly what else are you supposed to do in the sport?!

Yep. Right on, my man.

:)


Really? So beating Toney is his only claim to fame? How about when he beat Hopkins? How about beating everyone in the Super Middleweight Division too - give the man his due he is one of the best in those divisions --- ever....

You're kidding right?!

Let's see, besides winning titles, exactly what else are you supposed to do in the sport?!

lol I agree

You're kidding right?!

Let's see, besides winning titles, exactly what else are you supposed to do in the sport?!

Win real titles, beat real champions, not collect belts that are manufactured by crooked sanctioning bodies.

There is really no weightclass you can argue he as the champion, he never stuck around at Middleweight, Super Middleweight or Heavyweight. His reign at 175lbs was a joke considering he wasn't the man who beat the man, DM was.

He never held any lineal titles or beat any champions that were legitimate champions when he fought them.

As I said earlier, his only real accomplishment was beating James Toney. To bad James started getting too fat to make middleweight, because Toney was the real champion at middleweight. When Roy fought Toney though, he was still undefeated and could be argued as the champion, but there was already a legit champ at 168lbs at that time, so too bad for Roy Jones Jr.

Sad to say, but Roy Jones Jr has never held a title with any historical significances.

Really? So beating Toney is his only claim to fame? How about when he beat Hopkins? How about beating everyone in the Super Middleweight Division too - give the man his due he is one of the best in those divisions --- ever....

Roy didn't beat everyone at 168lbs, he didn't even beat the legitimate champion Frank Liles.

One of the best ****-fighting trainers to ever live..

Based on career Roy is an 8 or 9...based on his talent and skill he's a 10. Had he been more technically sound he would have been a much better fighter at these later stages of his career.

Roy was quite possibly the best 168 pounder ever and has accomplished a very rare feat...winning the HW title after starting out as a middleweight. He was the most dominant fighter of our era. We won't see another fighter like him for a very long time.

Based on career Roy is an 8 or 9...based on his talent and skill he's a 10. Had he been more technically sound he would have been a much better fighter at these later stages of his career.

Roy was quite possibly the best 168 pounder ever and has accomplished a very rare feat...winning the HW title after starting out as a middleweight. He was the most dominant fighter of our era. We won't see another fighter like him for a very long time.

Great post :)

Totally agree with everything you said... We definitely won't see a "roy jones style fighter" for a while imo.

I gave him a 9.I think if he stayed at HW and won a few more fights he would be a 10 easily.Roy didn't have a tough fight until he was thirty five(except for the first Griffin fight).Only a young Ali threw more impressive combos IMO.

Well James Toney could very well do what Roy did. Would anyone make Ruiz a favorite over Toney? I would'nt

Well James Toney could very well do what Roy did. Would anyone make Ruiz a favorite over Toney? I would'nt

No way man, Toney would be the favourite over Ruiz, Byrd and Brewster easily in my opinion.

I say that RJJ is among the most elite boxers of all time. He beat greats fighters like hopkins and toney. He also beat solid fighters like macallum, hill, and Tarver. He did not have the best chin but that just shows how great his speed and reflexes really were.

No way man, Toney would be the favourite over Ruiz, Byrd and Brewster easily in my opinion.



Toney would beat that bum Roid every time they fight

except of course that single occasion

which does not really count because Toney had to loose a lot of weight to make that fight happen

no way toney ever beats roy in his prime your a hater.

no way toney ever beats roy in his prime your a hater.


no i am a completely objective observer

no ****

Based on styles Toney would rarely beat Roy in their primes unless he catches him with something nasty...this coming from a huge Toney fan. Sad but true.

robbed of gold medal at 1988 Olympics due to a scoring error; still voted Outstanding Boxer of the Games; won IBF middleweight crown, beating Bernard Hopkins in 1993; moved up to super middleweight and won IBF title from James Toney in 1994; moved up to light heavyweight, winning WBC (1997), WBA (1998) and IBF titles (1999); suffered only pro loss in a DQ to Montel Griffin which he avenged with a 1st rd. KO 5 months later; made move to heavyweight in 2003, beating John Ruiz in a unanimous decision for WBA belt.and the third world Light Heavyweight champion in history (after Michael Spinks and Michael Moorer) to win the world's Heavyweight title.Gave him a 9.

"scoring error" is a very nice way to say bribery. ;)

Talent wise I think he has to get a 10. Carreer based a 9.

I noticed, 1 person rated jones with a 1 (no pulse) and another with a 3 (severely lacking); talking about small minded haters!

Prime RJJ : 9
Top 10 All-Time for sure....

Btw Alisa great avatar.

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The Roy Jones that beat Pazienza, Griffin and Toney is a top 10 fighter of all-time... could have made a legendary fight with even the likes of Sugar Ray Robinson. On the other side of the token, the Roy Jones that lost to Johnson couldn't hold Hopkins' jockstrap let alone go 2 rounds with Robinson.

In reality though, every fighter has had ups and down and overall he would be rated a 9 for me. No fighter in history made average and even good fighters look as bad as Jones. Not even Tyson. P4P one of the fastest fighters both in hands and feet and P4P one of the most elusive, hard-to-hit, fighters in history. When he had the killer instinct he was legendary, without it he was less than a champ.

Have to give Roy an 8

It is always shcoking to me how many consider Hopkins to be an all time great even a legend and dog Roy. He has had the better level of competition and beaten them in a more outstanding fashion (until lately) Hopkins, Toney, Hill, Macallum, montell griffen, Reggie Johnson, and Heavyweight John Ruiza all were outclased by Jones. And even Tarver) Yet he loses to fights which obviously has to due with his age and people dog him. Yes, he fought some bums but so has Toney, and hopkins even more so than roy and he worked them both. Have some respect roy is at least an 8 and i gave him a 9 on the all time list. His chin wasnt great but that just shows how great his other skills were. peace

Maybe an 8. He would beat Fullmer and Basilio.

i give a nine for pure, natural talent. I just wish we could have more fighters like him, cause it's so fun to watch him. Hopkins is a great fighter, but his fights aren't very exciting cause he's so technical. Hopefully someone new will come in my lifetime.

ok let's summarize...

jones is a fraud who finally got exposed at the age of 35 after ruling boxing for 15 years

his major wins:

Toney, who would kill him in rematch, but due to the weight loss managed to win at most 3 rounds on the scorecards (and I cannot figure out which rounds)

Hopkins, who was young and green, while being 28, and never lost a fight afterwards. Also jones cheated and fought him with an injured hand, taking this way unfair advantage.

John Ruiz, a handpicked beltholder, who is still holding a belt, though, and rarely loses.

Just one thing, Jones who fought at 154 has been critized for handpicking a HW champ and not fighting them all... this alone tells it all

8 or 9

9 just bcos I am ****ing bored with these mindless haters

he was tha only person to get a heavyweight belt to come from middleweight in over 100 years

Definitely one of the best fighters of all time!!!
Father time catching up with him with a bad decision of shedding 25 pounds to almost or not almost cause the demise of his great boxing carrer and so what? Everyone is entitled to commit a mistake.

ok let's summarize...

jones is a fraud who finally got exposed at the age of 35 after ruling boxing for 15 years

his major wins:

Toney, who would kill him in rematch, but due to the weight loss managed to win at most 3 rounds on the scorecards (and I cannot figure out which rounds)

Hopkins, who was young and green, while being 28, and never lost a fight afterwards. Also jones cheated and fought him with an injured hand, taking this way unfair advantage.

John Ruiz, a handpicked beltholder, who is still holding a belt, though, and rarely loses.

Just one thing, Jones who fought at 154 has been critized for handpicking a HW champ and not fighting them all... this alone tells it all

8 or 9

9 just bcos I am ****ing bored with these mindless haters

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ok let's summarize...

jones is a fraud who finally got exposed at the age of 35 after ruling boxing for 15 years

his major wins:

Toney, who would kill him in rematch, but due to the weight loss managed to win at most 3 rounds on the scorecards (and I cannot figure out which rounds)

Hopkins, who was young and green, while being 28, and never lost a fight afterwards. Also jones cheated and fought him with an injured hand, taking this way unfair advantage.

John Ruiz, a handpicked beltholder, who is still holding a belt, though, and rarely loses.

Just one thing, Jones who fought at 154 has been critized for handpicking a HW champ and not fighting them all... this alone tells it all

8 or 9

9 just bcos I am ****ing bored with these mindless haters
why is he a fraud once he loses? He never changed or did anything different. Jones always had that bad habit of leaning on the ropes, and it was only a matter of time until someone got him there. Hopkins was young and green, and so was Jones.

Question: Why is it cheating to fight with a broken hand?

why is he a fraud once he loses? He never changed or did anything different. Jones always had that bad habit of leaning on the ropes, and it was only a matter of time until someone got him there. Hopkins was young and green, and so was Jones.

Question: Why is it cheating to fight with a broken hand?

answer: ever heard about sarcasm?

it was only a matter of time... it's true: of time catching up on him

Jones is one of the best - his skills are unlikely to be seen again for some time. His mach making - well that at times left something to be desired - but I do think he fought alot of tough guys that he never really got credit for. When Jones would win, people were saying he was fighting bums and make excuses for the other guy - Toney didn't train right and he got taken to school -thats boxing - just like Jones got taken to school by Johnson (a guy who was being called a handpick no good garbage opposition). Jones has the skills to pay the bills like we havent seen in boxing in a long time.

Between 6 and 7 for me i couldnt decide so i chose 7. The guy was good but would he have beaten Ezzard charles, Archie Moore, Spinks, all these other great LHWs. I dont think he would have beaten Billy Conn, Conn gave louis the fight of his life.

far from the best ever, but in his prime he ruled more than one weight catagory. He's an exceptionally good fighter from a technical standpoint, but he lacked heart and courage in my eyes. Personally, he's in my top ten lhw's, but MUCH further down on my heavyweight list

I gave him an 8 based on his entire career.

Definitely the best boxer of the past 15 years.

To give him less than a seven you would have to be a hater or a moron.

I rated hin an eight too. He is a great. Probably top ten lightheavyweights of all time. I think he will make top 50 fighters of all time!