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JAB5239
02-25-2012, 05:15 PM
Where and why do you rank Jirov on an all an all time cruiserweight list? This guy was one of my all time favorite fighters, tough as nails and a comitted body puncher.

crold1
02-25-2012, 05:27 PM
Where and why do you rank Jirov on an all an all time cruiserweight list? This guy was one of my all time favorite fighters, tough as nails and a comitted body puncher.

I'd go top ten if I ever got around to re-doing the Jr. classes without the often awkward formula I tried out last time. He wasn't as good as Gomez in his own time but given the classes limited history, nice account. Also the last good win for Moorer at Heavyweight (that's a lost classic)

JAB5239
02-25-2012, 05:46 PM
I'd go top ten if I ever got around to re-doing the Jr. classes without the often awkward formula I tried out last time. He wasn't as good as Gomez in his own time but given the classes limited history, nice account. Also the last good win for Moorer at Heavyweight (that's a lost classic)

I would have loved a Gomez-Jirov unification. I agree Gomez was more talented, but I loved Jirov's tenacity and think it would have been a great fight.

-XTC-
02-25-2012, 08:08 PM
He won the Val Barker Trophy for outstanding Boxer and Olympic gold in '96, but he just couldnt carry his weight to the pro ranks like a lot of great amateurs.

Top 20 at cruiserweight, some could argue top 10 for overall talent.

young_robbed
02-25-2012, 09:15 PM
Yeah he's gotta be top 10. But it's not like there's many ATG cruiser weights in the first place.

TBear
02-26-2012, 05:52 AM
He was entertaining and definitely the best body puncher the divison has known. I was at his last fight and it seems like the Toney fight ruined him. But as it was said, the cruiserweight division historically is shallow and Jirov probably made the top ten all time.

BritishBoxing92
02-26-2012, 10:41 AM
Where and why do you rank Jirov on an all an all time cruiserweight list? This guy was one of my all time favorite fighters, tough as nails and a comitted body puncher.

heard his fight against toney was one to watch and his other fights earlier were something as well might check them out, i reckon he is a top ranked in the CW division considering the fact about his accomplishments in the ring, reign as champion and defences but the division aint exactly highly rated or looked on upon im afraid unlike the HW or LHW divisions with their history

D-MiZe
02-26-2012, 10:42 AM
Can people offer their opinions on his best fights to watch?

Thanks.

young_robbed
02-26-2012, 12:30 PM
Can people offer their opinions on his best fights to watch?

Thanks.

Definitely start off with James Toney and Michael Moorer.Then I would watch some his lesser known bouts with Jorge Fernando Castro and Joe Mesi, and his amateur fight with Tarver.

joseph5620
02-26-2012, 01:33 PM
Where and why do you rank Jirov on an all an all time cruiserweight list? This guy was one of my all time favorite fighters, tough as nails and a comitted body puncher.

Outstanding cruiserweight. Some people tend to forget about his great run at cruiserweight because of his attempt at heavyweight that didn't go well.


A top 10 lock at cruiser.

JAB5239
02-26-2012, 05:53 PM
heard his fight against toney was one to watch and his other fights earlier were something as well might check them out, i reckon he is a top ranked in the CW division considering the fact about his accomplishments in the ring, reign as champion and defences but the division aint exactly highly rated or looked on upon im afraid unlike the HW or LHW divisions with their history

I was ringside for the Toney fight. Easily one of the best fights I've seen live. I had it much closer watching it live than I did when I watched it on TV. I was rooting for Jirov's though so I may have been being subconsciously biased.

BritishBoxing92
02-26-2012, 05:57 PM
I was ringside for the Toney fight. Easily one of the best fights I've seen live. I had it much closer watching it live than I did when I watched it on TV. I was rooting for Jirov's though so I may have been being subconsciously biased.

haha no problem you were supporting you're fighter so why not? what was you're reaction to the decision of the fight and what was the atmosphere like for you to be there ringside watching a big cruiserweight fight like this one?

JAB5239
02-26-2012, 06:53 PM
haha no problem you were supporting you're fighter so why not? what was you're reaction to the decision of the fight and what was the atmosphere like for you to be there ringside watching a big cruiserweight fight like this one?

I thought the decision was just. I had it very close up until the last two rounds where Toney took control. As far as the atmosphere, I've been to fights were there was more electricity in the air, but that was the best high profile fight I've seen live.

Scott9945
02-26-2012, 10:48 PM
I would have loved a Gomez-Jirov unification. I agree Gomez was more talented, but I loved Jirov's tenacity and think it would have been a great fight.

That would have been an excellent fight. People forget how sharp JCG was as a cruiser. But the problem is that fight couldn't make money anywhere, except possibly Germany. And whenever you have two title holders you can be sure that they expect to be well paid.

Starof David
02-26-2012, 10:53 PM
I was ringside for the Toney fight. Easily one of the best fights I've seen live. I had it much closer watching it live than I did when I watched it on TV. I was rooting for Jirov's though so I may have been being subconsciously biased.

That would have been a great fight to see live!

D-MiZe
02-27-2012, 10:00 AM
What a strange ending to the Moorer-Jirov fight.

Walt Liquor
02-27-2012, 12:15 PM
I was ringside for the Toney fight. Easily one of the best fights I've seen live. I had it much closer watching it live than I did when I watched it on TV. I was rooting for Jirov's though so I may have been being subconsciously biased.

I HATE YOU!!!!

In my top 5 favorite all time fights.

I loved Jirov and loved Toney. What a fookin fight that was.


I don't agree with everyone having Gomez over Jirov, they never fought. Jirov's resume is better at CW to me. JC Gomaz looked great but he beat a gang of non descript guys (more so than jirov's)

baya
02-27-2012, 12:23 PM
He was entertaining and definitely the best body puncher the divison has known. I was at his last fight and it seems like the Toney fight ruined him. But as it was said, the cruiserweight division historically is shallow and Jirov probably made the top ten all time.

one of the best fight's i've ever seen, such an epic battle.

i've never seen harold lederman be so off on scoring a fight, though, if memory serves me right.

Tiozzo
02-27-2012, 10:45 PM
Where and why do you rank Jirov on an all an all time cruiserweight list? This guy was one of my all time favorite fighters, tough as nails and a comitted body puncher.

I believe Fabrice Tiozzo was negociating for a Jirov showdown just before he lost his WBA strap to Hill in a rematch.

Who do you think would have won ? I think it would have been a great scrap.

JAB5239
02-28-2012, 01:43 AM
I believe Fabrice Tiozzo was negociating for a Jirov showdown just before he lost his WBA strap to Hill in a rematch.

Who do you think would have won ? I think it would have been a great scrap.

I always liked Tiozzo, and though I don't recall watching him fight many times he was entertaining. I'd lean towards Jirov more out of bias than anything else. I just don't recall and haven't seen enough of Tiozzo to make an honest assessment of this fight.

Tiozzo
02-28-2012, 11:47 PM
I always liked Tiozzo, and though I don't recall watching him fight many times he was entertaining. I'd lean towards Jirov more out of bias than anything else. I just don't recall and haven't seen enough of Tiozzo to make an honest assessment of this fight.

I would also pick Jirov, but because he was a natural CW

it would have been a great fight while it lasted

Cardinal Buck
02-29-2012, 12:52 AM
Jirov also f ucked up Joe Mesi, let's not forget.

The Surgeon
04-06-2013, 03:21 PM
Watched the Toney fight again last night, man Jirov was some kinda Tough....

GREAT fight too


BTW quick question who do people feel if anyone was/is a better counter puncher than James Toney? The stuff he showed vs Barkley was unreal and probably the best ive seen (and yes i realize this is a Jirov thread!)

baya
04-06-2013, 03:44 PM
top 15 guy at that weight.

his war with toney is still to this day one of the most memorable figthts for me, personally.

dchampishere
04-06-2013, 07:31 PM
I used to spar Vasiily back in the days when he was promoted by Top Rank, and at that time he was being trained by Scott Ardrey who also trained "little but bad" Stevie Johnston. He was very strong but not a very big puncher but if you let him work your body you would find yourself very tired after a few rounds, and he was harder to hit clean than he looks because of his curved shoulders and he was always coming forward. he was also a very nice guy but you would never know it because he was very quite and he always had a very serious look on his face if he did not know you.