Marquez is asking for 1.5M dollars to fight Manny "PacMan the Destroyer" Pacquiao. Is he insane? I don't know why he would ask for something like this. This amount is reserve for fighters who have power in their punches or excitement in their punches. Against Salido,he did not show excitement and power. :mad:

There are two reason I could think of at this moment:
1. He might be jealous of his countrymen Barrera and Morales for getting maybe more than 2M dollars. I don't even believe Barrera and Morales deserved those amount for the reason that they don't usually knock down each other in those three fights. They might have fooled their sponsors. :D

2. Marquez might be thinking of aborting the fight with Manny "PacMan the Destroyer" Pacquiao. He knows he's not gonna get those amount, that's why he asked for it so that if he doesn't get it, he won't fight. :eek:

Actually, Marquez has valid points. He has the titles, he's been training since November, even skipping holidays just to train, and showed how good he was in the first fight. I don't know if 1.5 is too high though I don't think he's too far off on his arguments on why he should be getting the amount. He should get the same as Manny and maybe abit more if you ask me.

I am just one of legions of boxing fans waiting for this rematch to happen. JMM knows Manny signed the contract for $900,000.00. I am thinking he would settle for less than $1.5M but higher than $0.9M, him being the champion, which I think is just fair under the circumstances. He may be a boring fighter but he is still the champ. I don't think he will waste all the efforts and sacrifices that goes with his training at present. So, I believe that he will eventually sign the contract and face Manny on Feb. 26. Of course we don't know what is in Team JMM's plan but this is a very good opportunity for JMM to avenge his 3 knockdowns in their first fight.

i have to agree with you guys JMM being the 2 belt-champ deserve to get at least the same purse as PAC ...

we should remember that this two guys can really tango, they are made for each other ...

Actually, Marquez has valid points. He has the titles, he's been training since November, even skipping holidays just to train, and showed how good he was in the first fight. I don't know if 1.5 is too high though I don't think he's too far off on his arguments on why he should be getting the amount. He should get the same as Manny and maybe abit more if you ask me.

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No, no, no,no,no. why. There are a lot of people called champs but those are just regular champ. they don't get paid that much. But there are those champs that are truly champs like tyson in his hay days. Champs that do knock outs in the opening bell,a knock out artist, very exciting champs who initiate punches. These very exceptional champs are the one who deserves very high amount of dough - in millions. Keywords: excitement, knockdowns, knockouts, power, speed. But not a regular champ who just react when thrown a punch. Otherwise, all those who rate no. 1 champ in all the alphabet soups will demand millions. Period. ;)

marquez should be fighting for mexican pride..
he cant be expected to make millions when the
only name hes fought is pacquiao.

and after his last show he should just get on
with the fight and guarantee the bigger fights.

the guys been an assclown since the fight and he
better be training as hard as hes making out he is.

hes gonna get stung and then well see how much
of a champ this guy is...controversy aside :D

I dunno...but for some reason I think he deserves it. He did comeback strong after what seemed to be a sure loss against Pacquiao to even the odds..

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No, no, no,no,no. why. There are a lot of people called champs but those are just regular champ. they don't get paid that much. But there are those champs that are truly champs like tyson in his hay days. Champs that do knock outs in the opening bell,a knock out artist, very exciting champs who initiate punches. These very exceptional champs are the one who deserves very high amount of dough - in millions. Keywords: excitement, knockdowns, knockouts, power, speed. But not a regular champ who just react when thrown a punch. Otherwise, all those who rate no. 1 champ in all the alphabet soups will demand millions. Period. ;)

The CHAMPIONS deserve more money. Not people who can KO people more often. You said earlier that Marco A. Barrera and Erik Morales didnt deserve 2 mil? are you sick? They are 2 of the top 10 fighters on the planet, they deserve millions of dollars for dedicating themselves to the sport and becoming as good as they are. Let the paper champs ask for more money, they arent going to get it and they know it. Bottom line....JMM is more accomplished than Pac, and he deserves more than Pac because he has the belts, and he's had them for a while. He's an accomplished fighter. Other than MAB, who has Pac beat?

Nothing wrong with him demanding that sum. If they are willing to pay, why not?

The CHAMPIONS deserve more money. Not people who can KO people more often. You said earlier that Marco A. Barrera and Erik Morales didnt deserve 2 mil? are you sick? They are 2 of the top 10 fighters on the planet, they deserve millions of dollars for dedicating themselves to the sport and becoming as good as they are. Let the paper champs ask for more money, they arent going to get it and they know it. Bottom line....JMM is more accomplished than Pac, and he deserves more than Pac because he has the belts, and he's had them for a while. He's an accomplished fighter. Other than MAB, who has Pac beat?

Well I agree with this although who has Pac beat, well, let's see. He was the Flyweight Champion for awhile and made defenses of the title until he got knocked out cause he couldn't hold the weight no longer without dehydrating himself to death. Then he went up to Bantam Weight and won the IBF title there by KOing what HBO experts thought would be a linear IBF Bantam Weight Champion in Ledwaba. Then he makes defenses with that belt again undefeated Lucero, at a time, very impressive, Jorge Julio, and then moves up to take on Barrera. I'm probably leaving many gaps and holes in between though if you just go to boxrec.com and check out his record. Manny has faced top notch fights and most with very nice records that he ended up blemishing.

well the thing is most ppl thought it was controversial decision in the first match, so pacqiuio wud be the champ. i think he shud get higher than 900 000 but 1.5 mil, a bit much

Ya know, it's funny. If Juan had no belts and that fight had 3 knockdown rule in effect, we would have had an easier outcome :)

The CHAMPIONS deserve more money. Not people who can KO people more often. You said earlier that Marco A. Barrera and Erik Morales didnt deserve 2 mil? are you sick? They are 2 of the top 10 fighters on the planet, they deserve millions of dollars for dedicating themselves to the sport and becoming as good as they are. Let the paper champs ask for more money, they arent going to get it and they know it. Bottom line....JMM is more accomplished than Pac, and he deserves more than Pac because he has the belts, and he's had them for a while. He's an accomplished fighter. Other than MAB, who has Pac beat?

Please tell me how Marquez is more accomplished than Pac. Cuz he has a couple of belts? Rate the level of his popularity before he fought Pacquiao... close to nil. Marco and Erik always had the light and JMM was always in the shadows. Pac is a champ in 2 divisions, 3 if you count the ringbelt. Beating Marco Antonio Barrera ain't a walk in the park and it's certainly a HUGE accomplishment for ANY boxer. More of an accomplishment than beating a shot Medina and Gainer. Tell me who has JMM beat that can match Barrera's skills?...Thank you :cool:

Please tell me how Marquez is more accomplished than Pac. Cuz he has a couple of belts? Rate the level of his popularity before he fought Pacquiao... close to nil. Marco and Erik always had the light and JMM was always in the shadows. Pac is a champ in 2 divisions, 3 if you count the ringbelt. Beating Marco Antonio Barrera ain't a walk in the park and it's certainly a HUGE accomplishment for ANY boxer. More of an accomplishment than beating a shot Medina and Gainer. Tell me who has JMM beat that can match Barrera's skills?...Thank you :cool:


I said other than Barrera.... Your welcome :cool:

Marquez is asking for 1.5M dollars to fight Manny "PacMan the Destroyer" Pacquiao. Is he insane? I don't know why he would ask for something like this. This amount is reserve for fighters who have power in their punches or excitement in their punches. Against Salido,he did not show excitement and power. :mad:

There are two reason I could think of at this moment:
1. He might be jealous of his countrymen Barrera and Morales for getting maybe more than 2M dollars. I don't even believe Barrera and Morales deserved those amount for the reason that they don't usually knock down each other in those three fights. They might have fooled their sponsors. :D

2. Marquez might be thinking of aborting the fight with Manny "PacMan the Destroyer" Pacquiao. He knows he's not gonna get those amount, that's why he asked for it so that if he doesn't get it, he won't fight. :eek:



Well, I have read that he demands to be paid more or an equal amount to Pacman's pay, and not less. The current contract stipulates .9MLN for Pacman and .7 for JMM.

I have never read that he actually demanded 1.5MLN.

The bargaining that JMM does is worthwile and should be respected: JMM is facing the toughest battle of his career, there is a huge downside to a loss, his belts are on the line, etc.

I said other than Barrera.... Your welcome :cool:

LOL that wasn't as witty as you thought sorry.

Well ok who has Manny beat. 39 fighters more notably, Thai hero Sasakul, Ledwaba, Julio, undefeated Lucero.
In any case give a **** who else he beat, he beat Barrera, you know, the guy who beat Erik Morales about a month and half ago :D.
Again, make an argument for JMM. Peace. :cool:

I do agree that he should get more than Pac but 1.5 million? No, he's just not that big of a draw for himself to be paid that kind of money.

LOL that wasn't as witty as you thought sorry.

Well ok who has Manny beat. 39 fighters more notably, Thai hero Sasakul, Ledwaba, Julio, undefeated Lucero.
In any case give a **** who else he beat, he beat Barrera, you know, the guy who beat Erik Morales about a month and half ago :D.
Again, make an argument for JMM. Peace. :cool:

Nicely said mooks, throw in there the two dirty fighters the undefeated Nadel Hussein (before Pac) and the tough hombre Agapito Sanchez.

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No, no, no,no,no. why. There are a lot of people called champs but those are just regular champ. they don't get paid that much. But there are those champs that are truly champs like tyson in his hay days. Champs that do knock outs in the opening bell,a knock out artist, very exciting champs who initiate punches. These very exceptional champs are the one who deserves very high amount of dough - in millions. Keywords: excitement, knockdowns, knockouts, power, speed. But not a regular champ who just react when thrown a punch. Otherwise, all those who rate no. 1 champ in all the alphabet soups will demand millions. Period. ;)
i like that point! you deserve good karma for that. :)

Well, I have read that he demands to be paid more or an equal amount to Pacman's pay, and not less. The current contract stipulates .9MLN for Pacman and .7 for JMM.

I have never read that he actually demanded 1.5MLN.

The bargaining that JMM does is worthwile and should be respected: JMM is facing the toughest battle of his career, there is a huge downside to a loss, his belts are on the line, etc.
i think Nautilus is right. this si the only logical reason for me why JMM would ask for such purse. its just that he knows Pac will kill him the next time around. that's why he's already killing himself up at 10,000 feet and taht Pac is a tough opponent for him so if ever he lose his title, at least he has the money.

The CHAMPIONS deserve more money. Not people who can KO people more often. You said earlier that Marco A. Barrera and Erik Morales didnt deserve 2 mil? are you sick? They are 2 of the top 10 fighters on the planet, they deserve millions of dollars for dedicating themselves to the sport and becoming as good as they are. Let the paper champs ask for more money, they arent going to get it and they know it. Bottom line....JMM is more accomplished than Pac, and he deserves more than Pac because he has the belts, and he's had them for a while. He's an accomplished fighter. Other than MAB, who has Pac beat?
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Yes, Champs deserve more money, but you gotta put it in perspective. but Among champs there are elite champs especially honored by Ring Magazine, the boxing bible. There are champs for several boxing organizations. And if you compare all those champs from several boxing organization, one or two of these are really elite and exceptional. That one or those two who are exciting deserves more dough than a regular champ who got the belt from lame fighters. :eek:

The other 2 that you have mentioned who are the 2 of top ten fighters, yes they were/are top ten then, and even then, they were only fighting amongs themselves - meaning no outside challenge to really prove how good they are/were. But of course I have to give them credit, they were good then or even now, it's just that you can't really judge how good one is playing until a better fighter comes along and set a benchmark on what is truly superb. Peace. :eek:

This fight will create huge revenues for a feather fight, simply because both fighters will be putting "butts in the seats". The revenues will greatly exceed Pac's $900K and Marquez's purse combined.

$900K is a very big purse for Manny, or anyother challenger without a strap and limited pedigre (exluding an obviously faded MAB). But, he should also be paid according to his appeal, which is astronomical for now.

Marquez will not get greedy and allow this fight to slip away. Simply because he wants Manny's head.

This fight will create huge revenues for a feather fight, simply because both fighters will be putting "butts in the seats". The revenues will greatly exceed Pac's $900K and Marquez's purse combined.

$900K is a very big purse for Manny, or anyother challenger without a strap and limited pedigre (exluding an obviously faded MAB). But, he should also be paid according to his appeal, which is astronomical for now.

Marquez will not get greedy and allow this fight to slip away. Simply because he wants Manny's head.

Did you just call MAB faded?

Marquez is asking for 1.5M dollars to fight Manny "PacMan the Destroyer" Pacquiao. Is he insane? I don't know why he would ask for something like this. This amount is reserve for fighters who have power in their punches or excitement in their punches. Against Salido,he did not show excitement and power. :mad:

There are two reason I could think of at this moment:
1. He might be jealous of his countrymen Barrera and Morales for getting maybe more than 2M dollars. I don't even believe Barrera and Morales deserved those amount for the reason that they don't usually knock down each other in those three fights. They might have fooled their sponsors. :D

2. Marquez might be thinking of aborting the fight with Manny "PacMan the Destroyer" Pacquiao. He knows he's not gonna get those amount, that's why he asked for it so that if he doesn't get it, he won't fight. :eek:

Of course Marquez is going to over ask in money, he has to so that they can settle on a bigger quantity than 750K if he asked for 1 million Top Rank would probably give him 850K.

And he might not have showed excitement or power against Salido... but he showed power, and excitement against the man he will be facing and is asking for the money to fight against. So if its reserved for those fighters like you say then the is in all his right.

Of course Marquez is going to over ask in money, he has to so that they can settle on a bigger quantity than 750K if he asked for 1 million Top Rank would probably give him 850K.

And he might not have showed excitement or power against Salido... but he showed power, and excitement against the man he will be facing and is asking for the money to fight against. So if its reserved for those fighters like you say then the is in all his right.

power? who saw power? I didnt see no power...

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Yes, Champs deserve more money, but you gotta put it in perspective. but Among champs there are elite champs especially honored by Ring Magazine, the boxing bible. There are champs for several boxing organizations. And if you compare all those champs from several boxing organization, one or two of these are really elite and exceptional. That one or those two who are exciting deserves more dough than a regular champ who got the belt from lame fighters. :eek:

The other 2 that you have mentioned who are the 2 of top ten fighters, yes they were/are top ten then, and even then, they were only fighting amongs themselves - meaning no outside challenge to really prove how good they are/were. But of course I have to give them credit, they were good then or even now, it's just that you can't really judge how good one is playing until a better fighter comes along and set a benchmark on what is truly superb. Peace. :eek:

Erik easily deserved more than what he was getting. He was risking it all. He had unified titles against both recognized superfeatherweight champs. 3 division champ. How can u say they only fight each other. Sells a lot PPVs unlike other fighters making 4million + fighting unamed fighters..

power? who saw power? I didnt see no power...

Pacquiao saw it when he was stunned in the fifth.

Pacquiao saw it when he was stunned in the fifth.

oohhh right right right. Pacquaio raised his hand after to say he was ok :p . Now I remember. Cuz I thought what you meant was power ala 3 knockdowns in the first round. :D

Pacquiao saw it when he was stunned in the fifth.


That's it? Stunned? Every boxer gets stunned when directly hit. A direct hit with Pac = knockdown/knockout or stretchers :D


To those posting that belted champions should be compensated more....you are wrong. It never happens in boxing...the more famous (or exciting) boxer gets the mulah. So many examples.... DLH vs. Hopkins. DLH vs. Sturm. Morales vs. Chavez. Rocky Balboa vs. Clubber Lang 2..well u get my drift :D :D

So you guys think Winky (2 belted) should get more money than Felix (no belt)?? Thought so.

oohhh right right right. Pacquaio raised his hand after to say he was ok :p . Now I remember. Cuz I thought what you meant was power ala 3 knockdowns in the first round. :D

no i ment at 2:05 to go in the round where Marquez connected with a right and Pacquiao wobbled to his left. His right hand stayed where it was.. there was no raising of the arms.

Did you just call MAB faded?

Yes. The version of MAB we saw with PacMan was not "made" to appear that way by Pac himself. Berrera looked ****ty, mostly by his own accord. Like Marquez, he admitted to taking Manny lightly and he paid for it. He also mentioned training interruptions but stressed later that he still imagined he could take Manny.

The version of Barrera we just saw against Morales was not the same "faded" MAB that Pac totalled.

Marquez also took Pac lightly. It was a rare mistake on his part, but he showed-up conditioned (no training issues) and after round #1 he still demonstrated why he is the champ. Pac-Marquez II will prove to be Pac's undoing, when the "wisened" Marquez shows up.

Yes. The version of MAB we saw with PacMan was not "made" to appear that way by Pac himself. Berrera looked ****ty, mostly by his own accord. Like Marquez, he admitted to taking Manny lightly and he paid for it. He also mentioned training interruptions but stressed later that he still imagined he could take Manny.

The version of Barrera we just saw against Morales was not the same "faded" MAB that Pac totalled.

Marquez also took Pac lightly. It was a rare mistake on his part, but he showed-up conditioned (no training issues) and after round #1 he still demonstrated why he is the champ. Pac-Marquez II will prove to be Pac's undoing, when the "wisened" Marquez shows up.

Those MAB excuses again...and suddenly he wasn't faded when he won against Erik in Dec. I think PAc has MAB's number and there's a slim chance that he will beat his conquistador even if they fight a thousand times.

Those 11-1 rounds for Marquez again. It just never stops. Pac won rounds 1, 2, 7, 9, 10 & 12 of that fight. Huh, if JMM is gonna overestimate himself saying he is the wiser man now...then he goes thru the same ordeal again.

power? who saw power? I didnt see no power...

MOOKS you might not have seen the power, but we can be sure that Pac felt it. After the first round Pac was still finding his way to Marquez, but with continuing less effectiveness. He never "moved" Marquez after the 1st. To say that Marquez lacks power is an interesting way to kick-up some dust in this Thread, but it ignores the many times after the 1st round that PacMan was caught and had to reset because he was simply surpised by Marquez's stamina and power. Manny was definitely still in the fight late, but he didn't really have Marquez threatened after the 1st.

no i ment at 2:05 to go in the round where Marquez connected with a right and Pacquiao wobbled to his left. His right hand stayed where it was.. there was no raising of the arms.

If Marquez had power, a clean shot like that would have put put Pac on the canvas. Lots of boxers get stunned, lots of boxers wobble. That don't mean power, that only means a clean shot connected. True power would send poeple on their ass. Sadly, JMM tried for twelve rounds and couldn't do it even once, even though he outboxed Manny most of the fight. Took Pacquiao 90 seconds. THAT'S power. Pac admitted even Barrera hits harder than JMM.

JMM asked $1.5 mil coz he is preparing himself. Preparing himself if worse comes.

Huh, if JMM is gonna overestimate himself saying he is the wiser man now...then he goes thru the same ordeal again.

That's just plain funny. A fighter that doesn't become wiser with each fight, does not wear a belt. We know that Marquez can adjust, he showed that after Round #1. Manny couldn't take-out the man he just nailed flush three times for KD's, because Marquez immediately started to box and give Manny something to think about.

Manny has also learned alot and become wiser from his fights. Trouble is, he's still completely dependent on his single-shot power and stamina. His limited boxing skills have not troubled him too much because he gets guy's respect with the power shots that just keep coming and coming. He has never had to change the style because it worked pretty damed good. But, he also cannot change his style because he's not that skilled.

Very early in Pac-JMM II, we'll see what a Champ does. Importantly, JMM will show Pac more respect, unlike Fight #1, but will also demonstrate what the more-skilled fighter does as he becomes "wiser".

If Marquez had power, a clean shot like that would have put put Pac on the canvas. Lots of boxers get stunned, lots of boxers wobble. That don't mean power, that only means a clean shot connected. True power would send poeple on their ass. Sadly, JMM tried for twelve rounds and couldn't do it even once, even though he outboxed Manny most of the fight. Took Pacquiao 90 seconds. THAT'S power. Pac admitted even Barrera hits harder than JMM.

In that case how do you know it wasnt a lucky shot?

Lots of fighters fall down from shots they didnt see.. that doesnt mean they got power. Your logic is wrong. power creates damage and rattles brains, pacquiao got both damage and got rattled as did Marquez

Yes. The version of MAB we saw with PacMan was not "made" to appear that way by Pac himself. Berrera looked ****ty, mostly by his own accord. Like Marquez, he admitted to taking Manny lightly and he paid for it. He also mentioned training interruptions but stressed later that he still imagined he could take Manny.

The version of Barrera we just saw against Morales was not the same "faded" MAB that Pac totalled.

Marquez also took Pac lightly. It was a rare mistake on his part, but he showed-up conditioned (no training issues) and after round #1 he still demonstrated why he is the champ. Pac-Marquez II will prove to be Pac's undoing, when the "wisened" Marquez shows up.

This is what don't make sense for me Munn. Pacquiao wins by a landslide against MAB, people call teh latter faded and shot. 2 fights later, the same Barrera gets a win against Morales. One would think this would have only added credibility to Manny's win. But still people would deny him of that due.

MAB is an excellent p4p fighter. Fighters like him do not lose hard by that margin. Not Junior Jones not even Erik Morales was able to give the same point deficit the way Manny did. So if a fighter out of no where wins so damn convincingly, his win deserves to be acknowledged and shouldn't be brushed off as nothing more than a "bad night" for MAB.

The reason MAB and JMM had trouble was not that they took Manny lightly. It's that they were just unpreprared for his speed and power. They had no idea, Manny could have been THAT fast and THAT strong which is understandable. Marquez trained at high altitude. He prepared well, he was just surprised. MAB was also ready. He even said it before the fight in an interview with Merchant. He said that he didn't care about the head issue. He said that he was gonna come in and show everyone that Marco Barrera was ready and here to fight. Then all of the sudden he gets ass-raped and blames it on a bad night. Heck evey boxer in world could have said they had a bad night after every loss. **** it RJJ had a bad night against Tarver and Johnson. Oscar had a bad night against Bernard. Mayorga had a bad night against Tito. :rolleyes: Give me a break!

In that case how do you know it wasnt a lucky shot?

Lots of fighters fall down from shots they didnt see.. that doesnt mean they got power. Your logic is wrong.

Ultimate, you usually know your boxing but right now, you have no idea what your saying anymore.

That shot wasn't lucky. Watch it carefully. CAREFULLY. JMM landed a straight shot. Pac got pissed. He faked then threw a 1-2 when Marquez opened up. That ain't lucky when you outfake a guy. Oh yah, you can get 1 lucky shot, maybe 2. But 3?!?!?! In one round!?!?! Please...

Pac don't got power?!?!?
Youre talking about a guy who's last win in points was back in 1997. Every win he had since then to this date was a knockout. His last fight was against a Thai who has never been knocked out in 50+ fights. Manny put him to sleep in 4 rounds. Tell me again Manny Pacquiao has no power...

MOOKS you might not have seen the power, but we can be sure that Pac felt it. After the first round Pac was still finding his way to Marquez, but with continuing less effectiveness. He never "moved" Marquez after the 1st. To say that Marquez lacks power is an interesting way to kick-up some dust in this Thread, but it ignores the many times after the 1st round that PacMan was caught and had to reset because he was simply surpised by Marquez's stamina and power. Manny was definitely still in the fight late, but he didn't really have Marquez threatened after the 1st.

Sorry I should have been more specific. I wanted to say power to really hurt Pacquao. He has power. Or else he wouldn't have that many KOs. I saw Pac was stunned but never really hurt. I agree with you that he didn't have JMM threatend as in the first, although to say that JMM was never "moved" after is an overstatement. Pac still kept that nose of Marquez bleeding and still connected with his injured left. In anycase, I'm expecting Marquez to be a lot faster and powerful come Feb 26 considering all the training that he's been undertaking.

That's just plain funny. A fighter that doesn't become wiser with each fight, does not wear a belt. We know that Marquez can adjust, he showed that after Round #1. Manny couldn't take-out the man he just nailed flush three times for KD's, because Marquez immediately started to box and give Manny something to think about.

Manny has also learned alot and become wiser from his fights. Trouble is, he's still completely dependent on his single-shot power and stamina. His limited boxing skills have not troubled him too much because he gets guy's respect with the power shots that just keep coming and coming. He has never had to change the style because it worked pretty damed good. But, he also cannot change his style because he's not that skilled.

Very early in Pac-JMM II, we'll see what a Champ does. Importantly, JMM will show Pac more respect, unlike Fight #1, but will also demonstrate what the more-skilled fighter does as he becomes "wiser".

Would you call MAB a good boxer?

Ultimate, you usually know your boxing but right now, you have no idea what your saying anymore.

That shot wasn't lucky. Watch it carefully. CAREFULLY. JMM landed a straight shot. Pac got pissed. He faked then threw a 1-2 when Marquez opened up. That ain't lucky when you outfake a guy. Oh yah, you can get 1 lucky shot, maybe 2. But 3?!?!?! In one round!?!?! Please...

Pac don't got power?!?!?
Youre talking about a guy who's last win in points was back in 1997. Every win he had since then to this date was a knockout. His last fight was against a Thai who has never been knocked out in 50+ fights. Manny put him to sleep in 4 rounds. Tell me again Manny Pacquiao has no power...

Dude I'm not saying Pac dont got power or that the shot was lucky it was a good planned shot that landed perfectly. And pac has power and its apparent. I was merely making the wrong philosophy on power like you were.

Im simply stating that Marquez has power and displayed it against pac. You dont cut and crater your opponents face like marquez and pac did to each other without power while at the same time wobbleing each other.

I do agree that he should get more than Pac but 1.5 million? No, he's just not that big of a draw for himself to be paid that kind of money.


if you agree, why are we arguing? i simply asked who Pac beat other than Barrera? I asked a question, i wasnt trying to be an all knowing witty boxing analyst. I like both fighters, i was just asking who has Pac beat because i remember reading somewhere that he fought a guy whose record was 3-6-1 before ko'ing Lucero (who is garbage by the way. Pac did put a ****in beating on him though).

if you agree, why are we arguing? i simply asked who Pac beat other than Barrera? I asked a question, i wasnt trying to be an all knowing witty boxing analyst. I like both fighters, i was just asking who has Pac beat because i remember reading somewhere that he fought a guy whose record was 3-6-1 before ko'ing Lucero (who is garbage by the way. Pac did put a ****in beating on him though).

He fought Yeshmangetov as a tune up for his first fight at feather. To test the waters. I was merely arguing the fact that Marquez isn't anymore accomplished than Pac. I agree that he should get paid more cuz he IS putting his titles on the line. But still dude, 1.5 million?

The CHAMPIONS deserve more money. Not people who can KO people more often. You said earlier that Marco A. Barrera and Erik Morales didnt deserve 2 mil? are you sick? They are 2 of the top 10 fighters on the planet, they deserve millions of dollars for dedicating themselves to the sport and becoming as good as they are. Let the paper champs ask for more money, they arent going to get it and they know it. Bottom line....JMM is more accomplished than Pac, and he deserves more than Pac because he has the belts, and he's had them for a while. He's an accomplished fighter. Other than MAB, who has Pac beat?

let me send back the question to you, who has JMM beat?

about the prize money, they should divide the purse equally, if pac gets 900 thousand, jmm should get the same! that seems fair for both fighters.

jmm has a lot of pride inside him and i think he won't agree with getting the same purse as pacquiao. jmm thinks he's the bigger name. what do you think? don't ask me.. you know my answer. (they are of the same status as to popularity, pacquiao and him).

He fought Yeshmangetov as a tune up for his first fight at feather. To test the waters. I was merely arguing the fact that Marquez isn't anymore accomplished than Pac. I agree that he should get paid more cuz he IS putting his titles on the line. But still dude, 1.5 million?


all i say is that he should get more than Pac because he is the champ. can't wait for this fight either. I hope pac wins so we can see about Barrera's "bad night"

Pacquiao wins by a landslide against MAB, people call teh latter faded and shot. 2 fights later, the same Barrera gets a win against Morales. But still people would deny him of that due.

MAB is an excellent p4p fighter. Fighters like him do not lose hard by that margin. Not Junior Jones not even Erik Morales was able to give the same point deficit the way Manny did. So if a fighter out of no where wins so damn convincingly, his win deserves to be acknowledged and shouldn't be brushed off as nothing more than a "bad night" for MAB.

The reason MAB and JMM had trouble was not that they took Manny lightly. It's that they were just unpreprared for his speed and power. They had no idea, Manny could have been THAT fast and THAT strong which is understandable.

We agree on most things, really we do. You're right, fighters like MAB do not simply lose hard by that margin. Thus, there was something very ****ing wrong with Barrera. He was not prepared for the speed and power was exactly right too, but, once MAB figured out he was in there with a big/fast puncher, he couldn't suddenly reverse his lack of conditioning! Of course he's gonna "tell" Merchant he's OK to go, what else can you do? MAB would never utter anyhting positive words leading-up to a fight. If you believe the MAB in round one and two against Pac looked like the same MAB as always, then thats your opinion and should lead you to give bigger props to Pac than other people are willing to give.

We'll just have to disagree on the Pac-MAB story. But when it comes to Pac-Marquez II, I don't see an "unprepared" Marquez, that's all. Marquez by late TKO or, morelikely, UD.

Would you call MAB a good boxer?


Yes, I would call MAB a good boxer/fighter.

MAB is the best in his division

We agree on most things, really we do. You're right, fighters like MAB do not simply lose hard by that margin. Thus, there was something very ****ing wrong with Barrera. He was not prepared for the speed and power was exactly right too, but, once MAB figured out he was in there with a big/fast puncher, he couldn't suddenly reverse his lack of conditioning! Of course he's gonna "tell" Merchant he's OK to go, what else can you do? MAB would never utter anyhting positive words leading-up to a fight. If you believe the MAB in round one and two against Pac looked like the same MAB as always, then thats your opinion and should lead you to give bigger props to Pac than other people are willing to give.

We'll just have to disagree on the Pac-MAB story. But when it comes to Pac-Marquez II, I don't see an "unprepared" Marquez, that's all. Marquez by late TKO or, morelikely, UD.

lets see what happen in the scheduled fight this coming feb.

MAB is the best in his division

Barrera is always the best in any division he fought. The only exception is his fight with Pacquaio. MAB is not the best if he's in the same ring with Pacman, that's for sure. He wasn't only beaten up, he got tortured like his crying fans.

MAB must seek out and devastate Pacman if he wants to regain his real "lost glory". Destroying washed ups like Ayala and Morales just wont do. He must demand a rematch with Pacquiao and get it over with.

We agree on most things, really we do. You're right, fighters like MAB do not simply lose hard by that margin. Thus, there was something very ****ing wrong with Barrera. He was not prepared for the speed and power was exactly right too, but, once MAB figured out he was in there with a big/fast puncher, he couldn't suddenly reverse his lack of conditioning! Of course he's gonna "tell" Merchant he's OK to go, what else can you do? MAB would never utter anyhting positive words leading-up to a fight. If you believe the MAB in round one and two against Pac looked like the same MAB as always, then thats your opinion and should lead you to give bigger props to Pac than other people are willing to give.

We'll just have to disagree on the Pac-MAB story. But when it comes to Pac-Marquez II, I don't see an "unprepared" Marquez, that's all. Marquez by late TKO or, morelikely, UD.

Personally, I just think he was in there with a fighter who had his number and no amount of preparation would have change that fact. Not that he was lacking anything, had it have been a different fighter Barrera would have likely pulled out with the win. The only thing that was wrong with Barrera that night was that he was in there with the wrong fighter. I just don't believe this bad night bull****. Tell me you got injured. Heck tell me your sox ****ing bothered you, but blaming it on a "bad night", naa I don't buy it.

With ths way things are looking in Pacquiao's training regimen, I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled out with a UD. I'm convinced however that Marquez cannot beat a 100% fully prepared Pacquiao, but that's only my opinion.

Barrera is always the best in any division he fought. The only exception is his fight with Pacquaio. MAB is not the best if he's in the same ring with Pacman, that's for sure. He wasn't only beaten up, he got tortured like his crying fans.

MAB must seek out and devastate Pacman if he wants to regain his real "lost glory". Destroying washed ups like Ayala and Morales just wont do. He must demand a rematch with Pacquiao and get it over with.

Sorry dude, Morales ain't washed up. Just didn't wanna be in that fight as RJJ pointed out. After their second fight, Morales took MAB lightly and was hella unprepared for Barrera's left hand.

Personally, I just think he was in there with a fighter who had his number and no amount of preparation would have change that fact. Not that he was lacking anything, had it have been a different fighter Barrera would have likely pulled out with the win. The only thing that was wrong with Barrera that night was that he was in there with the wrong fighter. I just don't believe this bad night bull****. Tell me you got injured. Heck tell me your sox ****ing bothered you, but blaming it on a "bad night", naa I don't buy it.

With ths way things are looking in Pacquiao's training regimen, I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled out with a UD. I'm convinced however that Marquez cannot beat a 100% fully prepared Pacquiao, but that's only my opinion.
Well said!! MAB was at the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong opponent!! Come February, JMM will also be in the very same predicament!!!

Barrera is always the best in any division he fought. He must demand a rematch with Pacquiao and get it over with.

Let's hope that Morales remains in the back seat until MAB-Pac II happens. Because, Barrera could be waiting for awhile. I wonder if there'll be a rematch clause for Pac-JMM? Hope not, so MAB gets a crack at Manny. He was very wise to go back to Morales, 'cause right MAB has a ****-load of bargaining power.

i have to agree with you guys JMM being the 2 belt-champ deserve to get at least the same purse as PAC ...

we should remember that this two guys can really tango, they are made for each other ...
And I agree with you! JMM is only being fair to himself. What's at stake here are the titles. And with it are recognition, fame and bigger paydays! These are the things that JMM is laying on the table, so he might as well put a hefty price tag on them.

Let's hope that Morales remains in the back seat until MAB-Pac II happens. Because, Barrera could be waiting for awhile. I wonder if there'll be a rematch clause for Pac-JMM? Hope not, so MAB gets a crack at Manny. He was very wise to go back to Morales, 'cause right MAB has a ****-load of bargaining power.

I dunno if there is a rematch clause seeing as this is ALREADY a rematch and with the first one ending up in a draw, a third encounter , while alwyas possible, is unlikely in my opinion. If Manny wins, and JMM demands a rematch, it has probably more of a possibility than if JMM wins it. In any case both fighters have different agendas after the fight. There ARE other big fights in the division. Barrera Chi, Harrison, Juarez, even a Morales fight, possibilites are endless

And I agree with you! JMM is only being fair to himself. What's at stake here are the titles. And with it are recognition, fame and bigger paydays! These are the things that JMM is laying on the table, so he might as well put a hefty price tag on them.

marquez has all the right to ask what he thinks is due to him. but pac's belt ring carries more recognition and he is ahead of marquez in the p4p list. i don't think marquez is putting more on the line that pac.

marquez has all the right to ask what he thinks is due to him. but pac's belt ring carries more recognition and he is ahead of marquez in the p4p list. i don't think marquez is putting more on the line that pac.

If Marez beats PAcquiao, his popularity would shoot right through the roof. you are right.

Barrera is always the best in any division he fought. The only exception is his fight with Pacquaio. MAB is not the best if he's in the same ring with Pacman, that's for sure. He wasn't only beaten up, he got tortured like his crying fans.

MAB must seek out and devastate Pacman if he wants to regain his real "lost glory". Destroying washed ups like Ayala and Morales just wont do. He must demand a rematch with Pacquiao and get it over with.



wtf are u and the rest of yall punkasses talkin bout "lost glory" yall nut hugg on pac too damn much it makes me feel sorry for yalls lame asses. a loss to pac doesnt take anything from barrera hes still shining WHY are yall (ASIANS) sayin all this stupid **** bout lost glory or pac is indestructible. thats bull**** get the **** cleaned out of your head.

wtf are u and the rest of yall punkasses talkin bout "lost glory" yall nut hugg on pac too damn much it makes me feel sorry for yalls lame asses. a loss to pac doesnt take anything from barrera hes still shining WHY are yall (ASIANS) sayin all this stupid **** bout lost glory or pac is indestructible. thats bull**** get the **** cleaned out of your head.

i don't care if posts here goes into your skull and your skinny feelings. i don't think pac posters here mean harm. you don't take your **** here and disrespect people. who said pac is indestructible? wake up dude, you must be hallucinating? :D :cool: :eek:

marquez has all the right to ask what he thinks is due to him. but pac's belt ring carries more recognition and he is ahead of marquez in the p4p list. i don't think marquez is putting more on the line that pac.


Honestly are you serious? i just dont get it, so ur sayin pacs puttin more on the line by puttin just his name and a ghost of a belt. yeah yoooure right

i don't care if posts here goes into your skull and your skinny feelings. i don't think pac posters here mean harm. you don't take your **** here and disrespect people. who said pac is indestructible? wake up dude, you must be hallucinating? :D :cool: :eek:


hey man RELAX wang you talkin to the "GMAN". yeah like i said earlier lalauplu needs to get his head cleaned man too much **** up there.

Honestly are you serious? i just dont get it, so ur sayin pacs puttin more on the line by puttin just his name and a ghost of a belt. yeah yoooure right

:D yup i am. the ring belt carries more fame & recognition so does the p4p ranking. the alphabet soup belts are worthless just ask mab, tarver & johnson.

There ARE other big fights in the division. Barrera Chi, Harrison, Juarez, even a Morales fight, possibilites are endless

This **** is great. Anybody else feel like were just beginning to get a taste of something that resembles the calibre of the 80's Middle scene?

hey man RELAX wang you talkin to the "GMAN". yeah like i said earlier lalauplu needs to get his head cleaned man too much **** up there.

got yah, just kiddin...he-he :D . i know you're one kewl dude! :)

wtf are u and the rest of yall punkasses talkin bout "lost glory" yall nut hugg on pac too damn much it makes me feel sorry for yalls lame asses. a loss to pac doesnt take anything from barrera hes still shining WHY are yall (ASIANS) sayin all this stupid **** bout lost glory or pac is indestructible. thats bull**** get the **** cleaned out of your head.
Hey, amigo! We're all entitled to our own opinions, however biased, one-sided, or even stupid they are!

If you have been reading the news and articles by respected boxing columnists, they made reference, one way or another, to MAB's so-called "lost glory" (after the decisive clobbering by Pacman). We have to admit, though, that he somehow regained this "lost glory" after Ayala and Morales.

But the Pacman nightmare will remain an ugly stain on his otherwise impeccable record...unless he decides to try to erase it by facing Pacman one more time and once and for all.

Hey, amigo! We're all entitled to our own opinions, however biased, one-sided, or even stupid they are!

If you have been reading the news and articles by respected boxing columnists, they made reference, one way or another, to MAB's so-called "lost glory" (after the decisive clobbering by Pacman). We have to admit, though, that he somehow regained this "lost glory" after Ayala and Morales.

But the Pacman nightmare will remain an ugly stain on his otherwise impeccable record...unless he decides to try to erase it by facing Pacman one more time and once and for all.

mab wants an impasse of pacquiao. if pacquiao loses to marquez, i think mab will make this as his big excuse not to fight pac. mark my words.

[QUOTE=fist-of-fury]Hey, amigo! We're all entitled to our own opinions, however biased, one-sided, or even stupid they are!

If you have been reading the news and articles by respected boxing columnists, they made reference, one way or another, to MAB's so-called "lost glory" (after the decisive clobbering by Pacman). We have to admit, though, that he somehow regained this "lost glory" after Ayala and Morales.

But the Pacman nightmare will remain an ugly stain on his otherwise impeccable record...unless he decides to try to erase it by facing Pacman one more time and once and for all.[/QUOTE

i actually agree with you pac DID beat mab and they Should fight again i just get frustrated of how people make pac to be all hard and stuff. lets just hope that on feb 26, the fight lives up to its hype.

wtf are u and the rest of yall punkasses talkin bout "lost glory" yall nut hugg on pac too damn much it makes me feel sorry for yalls lame asses. a loss to pac doesnt take anything from barrera hes still shining WHY are yall (ASIANS) sayin all this stupid **** bout lost glory or pac is indestructible. thats bull**** get the **** cleaned out of your head.
And we're discussing boxing... why do you always have to bring the race issue again?? Everytime pac is involved in a discussion you always have to point out "yall (ASIANS)". You see us disrespecting your race or even mentioning it here?

And we're discussing boxing... why do you always have to bring the race issue again?? Everytime pac is involved in a discussion you always have to point out "yall (ASIANS)". You see us disrespecting your race or even mentioning it here?


good point kepsy, there's no point bringing the race issue here...it's no way to treat the good ol folks here. we have to be CIVILIZED! calling the attention of the godfather! :D

well the thing is most ppl thought it was controversial decision in the first match, so pacqiuio wud be the champ. i think he shud get higher than 900 000 but 1.5 mil, a bit much
who are these "most people" you talk of? everyone I've talked to who has seen that fight thought that it was a fair draw, except people who think Pac is a God, of course.

Yes. The version of MAB we saw with PacMan was not "made" to appear that way by Pac himself. Berrera looked ****ty, mostly by his own accord. Like Marquez, he admitted to taking Manny lightly and he paid for it. He also mentioned training interruptions but stressed later that he still imagined he could take Manny.

The version of Barrera we just saw against Morales was not the same "faded" MAB that Pac totalled.

Marquez also took Pac lightly. It was a rare mistake on his part, but he showed-up conditioned (no training issues) and after round #1 he still demonstrated why he is the champ. Pac-Marquez II will prove to be Pac's undoing, when the "wisened" Marquez shows up.

WOW!! an expert and a fortune teller in one.

JMM demonstrated why he is the champ in rounds 3,4,5 and 6
PAC ate him up in rounds 1 & 2, thats 5 points. You can give Rounds 7, 8, 9 10, 11 and 12 to whoever you wants.


And can you please tell us,

In what shape will JMM show up in February? or What "version" of barrera will first fight this year?

who are these "most people" you talk of? everyone I've talked to who has seen that fight thought that it was a fair draw, except people who think Pac is a God, of course.

I also think its a fair DRAW.

JMM won according to Opinions
PAC won it TECHNICALLY. Round 1 should be 10-6 :cool:

who are these "most people" you talk of? everyone I've talked to who has seen that fight thought that it was a fair draw, except people who think Pac is a God, of course.


Pac either wins early or looses a decision late

who are these "most people" you talk of? everyone I've talked to who has seen that fight thought that it was a fair draw, except people who think Pac is a God, of course.

Who are that "everyone" you talked to? Have you talked to Harold Ledderman or Larry Merchant?

I thought it was close but gave it to pac in the last rounds but i could see it going the other way.

Who are that "everyone" you talked to? Have you talaked to Harold Ledderman or Larry Merchant?


this couple of bumz should be fired

they should hire toney and foreman instead

wtf are u and the rest of yall punkasses talkin bout "lost glory" yall nut hugg on pac too damn much it makes me feel sorry for yalls lame asses. a loss to pac doesnt take anything from barrera hes still shining WHY are yall (ASIANS) sayin all this stupid **** bout lost glory or pac is indestructible. thats bull**** get the **** cleaned out of your head.

This racial trash talk is totally uncalled for. You can express your ideas and opinions without resorting to foul language.

this couple of bumz should be fired

they should hire toney and foreman instead

hey alisa -- do you wanna donate some points to me, babe? :D

hey alisa -- do you wanna donate some points to me, babe? :D


how much do you want

this couple of bumz should be fired

they should hire toney and foreman instead

Can you give us some reasons why?

Can you give us some reasons why?


lol

why not

just for a change

how much do you want

any amount you wanna give...thanks sweetie! ;)

hey, wuttz wid your avatar...it doesn't suit your prettiness! :)

any amount you wanna give...thanks sweetie! ;)

hey, wuttz wid your avatar...it doesn't suit your prettiness! :)


i've sent you 3 mil

the avatar is just for amusement

i've sent you 3 mil

the avatar is just for amusement

hey alisa thanks again...you're nice & game! i like you! ;)

wtf are u and the rest of yall punkasses talkin bout "lost glory" yall nut hugg on pac too damn much it makes me feel sorry for yalls lame asses. a loss to pac doesnt take anything from barrera hes still shining WHY are yall (ASIANS) sayin all this stupid **** bout lost glory or pac is indestructible. thats bull**** get the **** cleaned out of your head.


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