View Full Version : UFC/Boxing HW's making similar money


-Swizzy-
02-20-2012, 05:28 PM
Vitali Klitschko's pay compared to UFC
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Ok so I was reading an article which mentioned the pay of Klitschko for his title defense against Chisora. It mentions that Klitschko was expected to earn around 2.5 million euros while Chisora was expected to earn 250k. Both of which do not include endorsements. Vitali is the consensus number 2 Heavyweight in boxing after his brother.

A Heavyweight world champion of more than one organisation yet generally ranked number 2? Who does this remind you of, may I ask? Alistair Overeem of course. And here is a link in which it shows him being paid $2.27m before endorsements. People will point out the exchange rate with euro currency being stronger than the dollar but the point still stands. The article also shows Brock Lesnar being paid an average of $2.4m for each of his UFC fights. All of which before sponsors, character likeness etc.

I guess my point is that top level boxers get paid similarly to top level UFC fighters, unless your name is Pacquiao or Mayweather. And of course we all know that boxers get paid a pittance on the undercard at times. Just thought I'd share this.
got this from sherdog.

-2 Scrappy-
02-20-2012, 05:39 PM
Well yeah Overeem is a paid ass kickboxer. Ha He doesn't represent the majority of mma fighters. Like in boxing promoters are trying to make you the most money and pay for your service. While in mma you have to be successful in the ufc for years until you prove your good enough to demand top dollar.

TR vs. GB
02-20-2012, 05:47 PM
What about Klitschko vs. Haye purses and Klitschko vs. Admake purses?

DAVID HAYE will pocket a cool 15million from his world heavyweight unification showdown in Hamburg.
Britain's WBA king yesterday weighed in two stones lighter than giant IBF and WBO title-holder Wladimir Klitschko but purse-wise both fighters will be equals tonight.
The 30m pot - Europe's richest ever - will be split 50-50.
Pay-per-view figures are poised to break a million, which would make the fight second only to Hatton-Mayweather in UK box office history.
Terrestrial TV packages for Germany and the USA will rake in 6m and with 45,000 fans packed inside the Imtech Arena, paying between 50 and 1000 for tickets, Haye will coin it in, win or lose.
Last night he said: "This is the biggest fight in boxing, plain and simple.
"The only fight that could match it is Floyd Mayweather against Manny Pacquiao. For various reasons that has not happened, and won't happen this year, so this is the biggest fight to happen in boxing by far.
"I'm so proud to be involved in it and to be the guy that knocks the other unconscious is going to be a great feeling - to be the main man at the pinnacle of the heavyweight division.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/boxing-news/2011/07/02/david-haye-fight-with-wladimir-klitschko-is-the-biggest-fight-in-boxing-86908-23242128/

TheMelvern
02-20-2012, 07:24 PM
Vitali fought a 15-3 relaitvely unknown fighter that there was really no hype for until the weigh in. Overeem fought UFC's cash cow. I doubt any UFC heavy weight actually makes more money than the K bros in the end. They are making mega bank in Europe just look at the German and Europe media hype for their fights and them filling up huge stadiums. Way more endorsement money than any UFC fighter, and to add to it...they are getting paid in Euros!

Darkstar
02-20-2012, 08:44 PM
Even though MMA fighters deserve it, top boxers are making alot more on average.

BKM-2010
02-20-2012, 09:10 PM
Even though MMA fighters deserve it, top boxers are making alot more on average.

Yup. All these guys are doing is picking just a few examples and comparing them to suit the argument.

PlayerKiller
02-21-2012, 10:57 AM
Vitali made 3.2 mil dollars if that figure is correct.

Not bad for fighting a novice in chisora when it was not on a PPV.

Elf
02-21-2012, 05:21 PM
floyd and pac get paid WAY more than heavyweights its funny lol

-Swizzy-
02-21-2012, 05:29 PM
well lets make something clear here.... UFC hasn't been around over 100 years like boxing has.

Also, what do the rest of the fighters on a Pacquiao and Mayweather fight get? Peanuts.

and the UFC doesn't have to match boxing pay ever to be fair. The point here is that ppl say UFC fighters are exploited when they are clearly not. Top level fighters are getting enormous paydays for what they do and thats all that matters. The rest of the money goes into growing the UFC machine which in turn grows and stabilizes the sport of mma. Unlike boxing which is being gutted by the boxers who take 99% of the money and don't put any back into the sport. Theres a reason the curve of both sports is heading in the opposite direction.

TR vs. GB
02-21-2012, 06:35 PM
well lets make something clear here.... UFC hasn't been around over 100 years like boxing has.

Also, what do the rest of the fighters on a Pacquiao and Mayweather fight get? Peanuts.

and the UFC doesn't have to match boxing pay ever to be fair. The point here is that ppl say UFC fighters are exploited when they are clearly not. Top level fighters are getting enormous paydays for what they do and thats all that matters. The rest of the money goes into growing the UFC machine which in turn grows and stabilizes the sport of mma. Unlike boxing which is being gutted by the boxers who take 99% of the money and don't put any back into the sport. Theres a reason the curve of both sports is heading in the opposite direction.

Boxing may be stagnant in America but over the last few years Boxing has grown tremendously globally. How you started the thread was pretty pathetic you state UFC/Boxing heavyweight pay is similar and take a small heavyweight Boxing match and compare it to the biggest ufc heavyweight fight of the year. Why not compare the 2 biggest Heavyweight Boxing matches to the ufc heavyweight fight. Klitschko vs. Haye and Klitschko vs. Adamek vs. Lesnar vs. Overeem. Saul Alvarez and Shane Mosley are going to be on Mayweather undercard and they are going to get far from peanuts. Your biased attitude towards mma is pretty clear in this thread.

-Swizzy-
02-21-2012, 08:38 PM
Boxing may be stagnant in America but over the last few years Boxing has grown tremendously globally. How you started the thread was pretty pathetic you state UFC/Boxing heavyweight pay is similar and take a small heavyweight Boxing matchand compare it to the biggest ufc heavyweight fight of the year. Why not compare the 2 biggest Heavyweight Boxing matches to the ufc heavyweight fight. Klitschko vs. Haye and Klitschko vs. Adamek vs. Lesnar vs. Overeem. Saul Alvarez and Shane Mosley are going to be on Mayweather undercard and they are going to get far from peanuts. Your biased attitude towards mma is pretty clear in this thread.

I think its you who is putting the spin on this.

So according to you, Vitali-Chisora = Small Heavyweight fight
and Alistair is apparently a huge draw in the UFC already, having never won the UFC title and fighting for the first time with the organisation.

I never stated that the boxing match was the biggest draw.... this thread was simply to state that UFC isn't as far off from boxing in the amount they pay their fighters as ppl say.

sure mayweather and pac make 15+ mill, but they are also selling 1-2 mill ppv. When the UFC starts hitting that mark on a regular basis, I'm sure they'll be bumping up the wages as well.

monaroCountry
02-24-2012, 05:24 PM
Ok so I was reading an article which mentioned the pay of Klitschko for his title defense against Chisora. It mentions that Klitschko was expected to earn around 2.5 million euros while Chisora was expected to earn 250k. Both of which do not include endorsements. Vitali is the consensus number 2 Heavyweight in boxing after his brother.

A Heavyweight world champion of more than one organisation yet generally ranked number 2? Who does this remind you of, may I ask? Alistair Overeem of course. And here is a link in which it shows him being paid $2.27m before endorsements. People will point out the exchange rate with euro currency being stronger than the dollar but the point still stands. The article also shows Brock Lesnar being paid an average of $2.4m for each of his UFC fights. All of which before sponsors, character likeness etc.

Not even close. That was Overeem's total pay including once only pays like the signing bonus. Overeem really got paid less than $1m for that fight which was regarded as the biggest fight in UFC against UFC's best cash cow.

Its also interesting that you compare the UFC's biggest cash cow, Brock. Maybe we should also compare boxing's biggest cash cow, Manny/Mayweather.


well lets make something clear here.... UFC hasn't been around over 100 years like boxing has.

Also, what do the rest of the fighters on a Pacquiao and Mayweather fight get? Peanuts.

Your logic is crazy, MMA has been around as long as boxing.

The UFC is younger than TopRank (started in 1973) but older than Golden Boy (started in 2001). Moneyweather and Manny are earning huge amounts of money while JDS gets peanuts in comparison.

I would also say that undercard fighters are just as well off as UFC undercards, and can definately say that equally ranked fighters in boxing earn far more than equally ranked rivals in MMA.

#1Assassin
02-25-2012, 03:42 PM
boxer salaries are very up and down. someone like vitali could get payed 2.5mil for one fight and then get payed 20-30mil for the next. there was never any real money in a chisora fight for vitali, he fought to stay busy much to his credit.

vitali could easily make 20mil in his next fight, more than overeem made in his entire career. unlike vitali who took a BS payday by his standards overeem made far more in the lesnar fight than in any of his previous fights.


so if you look at the lowest paydays of a HW boxer, yes its about the same as the highest for an mma HW. but that doesnt accurately portray who makes the most money does it? over the course of his career i wouldnt be suprised if vitali earned more than every top10 mma HW has over the course of theirs put together.

monaroCountry
02-26-2012, 02:42 PM
sure mayweather and pac make 15+ mill, but they are also selling 1-2 mill ppv. When the UFC starts hitting that mark on a regular basis, I'm sure they'll be bumping up the wages as well.

:crackhead:crackhead:crackhead
That will never happen, Dana doesnt like sharing. Fighter pay in MMA hasnt really increased all that much. Fedor was getting paid millions in Pride and even now. UFC's big draws pretty much get paid lower or on par with Fedor's pay 5 years ago.

monaroCountry
02-26-2012, 02:44 PM
so if you look at the lowest paydays of a HW boxer, yes its about the same as the highest for an mma HW. but that doesnt accurately portray who makes the most money does it? over the course of his career i wouldnt be suprised if vitali earned more than every top10 mma HW has over the course of theirs put together.




100% agree, you my man isa scholar and a gentlemen.

BIg Smoke
02-26-2012, 03:19 PM
So you're comparing the cash cow of the UFC to Vitali?

Why not compare the Cash cow of UFC to the Cash cow of boxing?

kaps
02-26-2012, 03:32 PM
The thing is that UFC is a brand. It's not the entire sport, being the most popular promotion in the sport they can pretty much set the bar on what the average purse is. It's not like boxing where boxers can work with different promoters and such to give themselves the lions share of the revenue. Boxing promoters can even co promote. I can tell you one thing though, if boxing was ran like the UFC Pac/May would've already happened....

Virgil Caine
02-26-2012, 04:00 PM
The thing is that UFC is a brand. It's not the entire sport, being the most popular promotion in the sport they can pretty much set the bar on what the average purse is. It's not like boxing where boxers can work with different promoters and such to give themselves the lions share of the revenue. Boxing promoters can even co promote. I can tell you one thing though, if boxing was ran like the UFC Pac/May would've already happened....
That's why Couture-Fedor happened, right.

Your statement makes the assumption that the UFC is the entire sport.

kaps
02-26-2012, 04:11 PM
That's why Couture-Fedor happened, right.

Your statement makes the assumption that the UFC is the entire sport.

Sorry, if they where both signed under the UFC it would've happened. UFC are the ones that stopped the Couture/Fedor fight with their bull**** contracts.....

Virgil Caine
02-26-2012, 06:53 PM
Sorry, if they where both signed under the UFC it would've happened. UFC are the ones that stopped the Couture/Fedor fight with their bull**** contracts.....
So than, saying "if boxing was organized like UFC" is really no different from saying "if boxing was organized like Bob Arum's Top Rank Promotions."

Get the point?

kaps
02-26-2012, 07:05 PM
So than, saying "if boxing was organized like UFC" is really no different from saying "if boxing was organized like Bob Arum's Top Rank Promotions."

Get the point?

I guess. Not really.....

Virgil Caine
02-26-2012, 07:44 PM
I guess. Not really.....
You're post equates the sport of boxing to UFC.

The problem is that UFC is not a sport its a promotion.

When people say things like Pac-Floyd would happen if boxing was like UFC, they are drawing a false parallel. Because the UFC is not a sport.

The real statement would be "if boxing was like MMA Pac-Mayweather would happen."

Which is not true, because exhibit A, we have the case of the Fedor-Couture fight, in which a very conserted effort was made to make the fight and it didn't happen.

In fact, this shows that it is less possible to get things done in MMA under such circumstances (e.g. cross promotion, which is the proper analogy).

So, saying "if boxing was organized like the UFC" is an irrelavent statement. But if you do want to bring it to it's conclusion, it's basically like saying "if Bob Arum controlled the entire sport, Mayweather-Pacquioa would be easier to have happen", or better yet, "if we could just go back to the good old days when the mob ran boxing, Pacquiao-Mayweather would happen."

Now you see?

shadeyfizzle
02-26-2012, 08:11 PM
Well yeah Overeem is a paid ass kickboxer. Ha He doesn't represent the majority of mma fighters. Like in boxing promoters are trying to make you the most money and pay for your service. While in mma you have to be successful in the ufc for years until you prove your good enough to demand top dollar.

No you dont. plenty of guys in mma like jens pulver who have lose every other fight they're in who command a massive fanbase and get paid top dollar.

kaps
02-26-2012, 08:16 PM
You're post equates the sport of boxing to UFC.

The problem is that UFC is not a sport its a promotion.

When people say things like Pac-Floyd would happen if boxing was like UFC, they are drawing a false parallel. Because the UFC is not a sport.

The real statement would be "if boxing was like MMA Pac-Mayweather would happen."

Which is not true, because exhibit A, we have the case of the Fedor-Couture fight, in which a very conserted effort was made to make the fight and it didn't happen.

In fact, this shows that it is less possible to get things done in MMA under such circumstances (e.g. cross promotion, which is the proper analogy).

So, saying "if boxing was organized like the UFC" is an irrelavent statement. But if you do want to bring it to it's conclusion, it's basically like saying "if Bob Arum controlled the entire sport, Mayweather-Pacquioa would be easier to have happen", or better yet, "if we could just go back to the good old days when the mob ran boxing, Pacquiao-Mayweather would happen."

Now you see?

Yeah I see what you're saying, but I think your taking it out of context a little bit. I meant to say it's kind of a double edge sword, where the fighters don't make as much as the promotion, but the promotion in itself has the power to make most dream matchups happen. Or something. I dunno. Oh well, who ****ing cares.....

Virgil Caine
02-26-2012, 08:29 PM
Yeah I see what you're saying, but I think your taking it out of context a little bit. I meant to say it's kind of a double edge sword, where the fighters don't make as much as the promotion, but the promotion in itself has the power to make most dream matchups happen. Or something. I dunno. Oh well, who ****ing cares.....
Yeah, I guess, but that's only because of Zuffa's effective monopoly. Which is why if the mob controlled all of boxing (like they use to) they could also create dream matchups.

But the fact that Zuffa doesn't have a complete monopoly makes it so that certain fighters, like Fedor, Aoki, and a number of others can't actually fight the Zuffa fighters (and there are plenty of dream matches there). In reality, although copromotion is tough to do in boxing, it does get done. Zuffa doesn't copromote at all. To me, it is more like the Couture-Fedor case because that was by far the biggest fight in the sport, and both fighters were with different outfits, and it didn't happen. The only ways it could have happened was for Fedor to sign with Zuffa or for Couture to get out of his Zuffa contract (which he attempted to do, even put himself on the shelf for the remainder of his contract, and then sued, but Zuffa would have kept it in court for 6 years if they would've needed to and by the time it was over Couture would be 50, that was the tactic, or so it seems to me).

Ogecca MaMa
02-26-2012, 08:48 PM
boxer salaries are very up and down. someone like vitali could get payed 2.5mil for one fight and then get payed 20-30mil for the next. there was never any real money in a chisora fight for vitali, he fought to stay busy much to his credit.

vitali could easily make 20mil in his next fight, more than overeem made in his entire career. unlike vitali who took a BS payday by his standards overeem made far more in the lesnar fight than in any of his previous fights.


so if you look at the lowest paydays of a HW boxer, yes its about the same as the highest for an mma HW. but that doesnt accurately portray who makes the most money does it? over the course of his career i wouldnt be suprised if vitali earned more than every top10 mma HW has over the course of theirs put together.

This, and no one mentioned that Vitali is actually 1 of the K2 prom owner..so he gets paid more than people realise

monaroCountry
02-27-2012, 04:57 AM
Yeah I see what you're saying, but I think your taking it out of context a little bit. I meant to say it's kind of a double edge sword, where the fighters don't make as much as the promotion, but the promotion in itself has the power to make most dream matchups happen. Or something. I dunno. Oh well, who ****ing cares.....

I wanted to see Fedor slaughter Brock Lesnar, that never happened.

I want to see Jon Jones move up to a division he wants to be in and fight the best at HW (like Manny moving up divisions) but Dana wont let his cash cow loose.

UFC is a promotion who has the ability to brainwash people and brainwash small brained MMA journalists. Imagine a boxing promotion saying that they have the best fighter in every single division, yet will never let any of its fighters fight the champions from other boxing promotions. If this happened in boxing then boxing commentators would question it.

Virgil Caine
02-27-2012, 01:30 PM
I wanted to see Fedor slaughter Brock Lesnar, that never happened.

I want to see Jon Jones move up to a division he wants to be in and fight the best at HW (like Manny moving up divisions) but Dana wont let his cash cow loose.

UFC is a promotion who has the ability to brainwash people and brainwash small brained MMA journalists. Imagine a boxing promotion saying that they have the best fighter in every single division, yet will never let any of its fighters fight the champions from other boxing promotions. If this happened in boxing then boxing commentators would question it.
Minus the saying they have all the top tallent, it is happening, in that Bob Arum rarely lets his top guys fight outside of his stable in recent years. Bob Arum isn't the only one.

But, co-promotion does at least happen in boxing, and quite regularly. The Super 6 boxing classic was a case in point. It involved some 4 or 5 promoters across 2 continents.

-Swizzy-
02-27-2012, 04:29 PM
the same ppl in this thread saying that comparing Vitali to Overeem is a ridiculous comparison are making even more ridiculous comparisons themselves.

Comparing UFC to Top Rank LOL. just because UFC is a promotion and Top Rank is a promotion. Top Rank doesn't have 98% of the top talent in boxing. And saying that Fedor-Lesnar not happening is like Pac-Mayweather not happening is ridiculous. That MIGHT have been the biggest selling ppv in UFC, but those 2 were never the most talented 2 fighters in MMA. Anderson Silva vs GSP or Anderson vs Jones would be a more fair comparison. And those fights might happen but all those guys still have their hands full in their current divisions.

And for the idiot who said Jones wants to fight at the HW division but Dana isn't letting him, lol. Jones has a fight with Rashad, but if Jones really wanted to move up to HW after that fight, UFC wouldn't stop him from doing it. So many fighters/champions in the past have fought in other divisions because they asked for it.

Haters just imagining conspiracy theories to suit their hater mentality.

New England
02-27-2012, 04:39 PM
got this from sherdog.



it's blatantly not true
for one, he's comparing figures in pounds and euros to dollars

the dollar isnt worth anywhere near the euro or the pound right now. its about 75 euros for 100 american dollars.

go check out a print out of hte purses from a ufc PPV and then check out the same print out from a HBO ppv or a big HBO championship boxing show


there is no comparing the two

the UFC does not pay well

what it does is offer multi fight deals, incentives (you get a hell of a lot more for knockout of the night than you do for being the B side of a main event.)
they promote you

for instance, yushin okami made less than 50K to fight anderson silva

victor ortiz made 5 million to fight floyd mayweather



what's for for business for MMA and bad for boxing is good for sherdog's bottomline

dont expect anything partial from them when comparing one to the other.
they are in competition.

the truth (boxers still make much better money than guys in MMA at the top of their respective sports,)

Virgil Caine
02-27-2012, 04:41 PM
the same ppl in this thread saying that comparing Vitali to Overeem is a ridiculous comparison are making even more ridiculous comparisons themselves.

Comparing UFC to Top Rank LOL. just because UFC is a promotion and Top Rank is a promotion. Top Rank doesn't have 98% of the top talent in boxing. And saying that Fedor-Lesnar not happening is like Pac-Mayweather not happening is ridiculous. That MIGHT have been the biggest selling ppv in UFC, but those 2 were never the most talented 2 fighters in MMA. Anderson Silva vs GSP or Anderson vs Jones would be a more fair comparison. And those fights might happen but all those guys still have their hands full in their current divisions.

And for the idiot who said Jones wants to fight at the HW division but Dana isn't letting him, lol. Jones has a fight with Rashad, but if Jones really wanted to move up to HW after that fight, UFC wouldn't stop him from doing it. So many fighters/champions in the past have fought in other divisions because they asked for it.

Haters just imagining conspiracy theories to suit their hater mentality.
The one point has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

We were having a side discussion, if you will.

Learn to follow a discussion.

New England
02-27-2012, 04:43 PM
the same ppl in this thread saying that comparing Vitali to Overeem is a ridiculous comparison are making even more ridiculous comparisons themselves.

Comparing UFC to Top Rank LOL. just because UFC is a promotion and Top Rank is a promotion. Top Rank doesn't have 98% of the top talent in boxing. And saying that Fedor-Lesnar not happening is like Pac-Mayweather not happening is ridiculous. That MIGHT have been the biggest selling ppv in UFC, but those 2 were never the most talented 2 fighters in MMA. Anderson Silva vs GSP or Anderson vs Jones would be a more fair comparison. And those fights might happen but all those guys still have their hands full in their current divisions.

And for the idiot who said Jones wants to fight at the HW division but Dana isn't letting him, lol. Jones has a fight with Rashad, but if Jones really wanted to move up to HW after that fight, UFC wouldn't stop him from doing it. So many fighters/champions in the past have fought in other divisions because they asked for it.

Haters just imagining conspiracy theories to suit their hater mentality.



fedor was the top of literally everybody's p4p list for years. not sure how long you followed mma, but we cant let the guy's legacy take a hit because of a lackluster end to his career mired in inactivity and obviously the stoppage losses and the submission

kaps
02-27-2012, 05:11 PM
Monarocountry reaaaaaly hates the UFC.....