View Full Version : Ken Norton vs the current HW division


them_apples
02-13-2012, 02:56 AM
how does he do? Let's say he's in his prime and hasn't been sparked by Foreman or Shavers. He's hungry.

Wlad and Vitali are essentially boxers. We all know Norton does quite well against Boxers, because of his ability to Nullify the jab and work the body quite well. He also had a LOT in the gas tank in his prime (vs Ali 1).

Now both Wlad and Vitali can punch, but they are Boxers. I see Vitali probably catching Norton and getting him out of there. I see Wlad trying to box and having a long night however, possibly losing. In fact, a huge chance of losing. Wlad definently wouldn't go in there and try to get rid of Norton. Vitali might though.

JAB5239
02-13-2012, 03:07 AM
how does he do? Let's say he's in his prime and hasn't been sparked by Foreman or Shavers. He's hungry.

Wlad and Vitali are essentially boxers. We all know Norton does quite well against Boxers, because of his ability to Nullify the jab and work the body quite well. He also had a LOT in the gas tank in his prime (vs Ali 1).

Now both Wlad and Vitali can punch, but they are Boxers. I see Vitali probably catching Norton and getting him out of there. I see Wlad trying to box and having a long night however, possibly losing. In fact, a huge chance of losing. Wlad definently wouldn't go in there and try to get rid of Norton. Vitali might though.

Outside of Wlad and Vitaly he'd be the best in this era. Wlad is to cautious though and would sit behind his jab rather than imposing his size on Norton. He would probably still win but a Norton W isn't out of the question in my opinion. Vitaly is a different story. He'd look to impose his size and press Kenny. Norton was a helluva fighter but he didn't hold up well when being pressed. I think Vitaly would stop him in 6 or 7 rounds after wearing him down.

Starof David
02-14-2012, 07:44 PM
I could see Norton stopping Wlad and outpointing Vitali. Vitali would be the tough one but I seen Norton fighting hard for 15 rounds. 15 rounds might be to much for alot of todays fighters.

nomadman
02-14-2012, 07:55 PM
I could see Norton stopping Wlad and outpointing Vitali. Vitali would be the tough one but I seen Norton fighting hard for 15 rounds. 15 rounds might be to much for alot of todays fighters.

But he wouldn't be fighting fifteen rounders if he fought today.

Starof David
02-14-2012, 08:01 PM
But he wouldn't be fighting fifteen rounders if he fought today.

Ok but I was refering to the conditioning of Norton still. He would be working harder in the championship rounds(11 & 12) than most fighters today are capable of. And he was a better boxer than most people give him credit for. In another class than any of the guys challenging in recent history.

Forza
02-14-2012, 09:10 PM
He would struggle with guys like helenius, povetkin, arreola, thompson

Wlad would stop him in under 10

Vitali would murder him

Redd Foxx
02-14-2012, 09:31 PM
I think Kenny would do extremely well and only struggle w/the K bros. Wlad would be an awesome contest w/ Norton possibly grinding him down against the ropes in the later rounds. Thought I think highly of Wlad, Norton can catch jabs all night and doesn't back down.
Stylistically, the fight w/ Vitali would likely be a mess, IMO. Ken doesn't rush inside and the way Vitali throws that right could be trouble. I'll tell you one thing though, Vitali certainly wouldn't be able to stand in the center w/ his lead hand down when fighting Norton.

New England
02-14-2012, 09:54 PM
i say this a lot about threads like this but it's generally how i feel


he would walk right through the top ten

he'd walk right through it. most of these guys are a complete joke. dimitrenko? adamek? chambers?
flippin thompson?!?
ken norton would harpoon that whale

the real task would be defeating the klitschkos

today's vitali is starting to show his age.
still a tough bastard. still a ring general. i think norton would outpoint him in an odd looking contest.



wladimir he stops
he'd grind him down. legs and an engine would give wladimir nightmares.
norton had great legs and a great engine.
the real question would come down to whether or not wladimir would be strong enough (and high enough) to simply drape himself over norton and tie him up consistently.
i think he'd have trouble getting away with it once he tired, and norton would be able to keep his hands free and work the body

if he doesnt get stopped himself (which i doubt, considering how few big punches wladimir actually throws,) i think norton would stop him somewhere in the middle of the fight

maybe eight rounds

Cardinal Buck
02-14-2012, 11:30 PM
Same tier as Povetkin and Haye. I don't think he'd be capable of beat the K bros or Solis barring injuries in his favor.

TBear
02-15-2012, 12:16 AM
Same tier as Povetkin and Haye. .

He would struggle with guys like helenius, povetkin, arreola, thompson


seriously??????????


:lol1:

nomadman
02-15-2012, 06:15 AM
I think Kenny would do extremely well and only struggle w/the K bros. Wlad would be an awesome contest w/ Norton possibly grinding him down against the ropes in the later rounds. Thought I think highly of Wlad, Norton can catch jabs all night and doesn't back down.
Stylistically, the fight w/ Vitali would likely be a mess, IMO. Ken doesn't rush inside and the way Vitali throws that right could be trouble. I'll tell you one thing though, Vitali certainly wouldn't be able to stand in the center w/ his lead hand down when fighting Norton.

I agree with the bold. Outside the Klits I'd favour him against anyone in the current top ten (though that's not saying much considering some of the names on there). Guys like Helenius, Fury, Dimitrenko, and Thompson would just get embarrassed; they're far too slow and clumsy, and whilst Helenius has a bit of power, I don't see him landing enough to get to Ken. Adamek might put up a decent fight, but I think he gets outboxed and possibly stopped. Chambers would be an interesting fight. Chambers has the skills and speed to cause Norton a few problems; his main weaknesses are lack of power and output. I think he loses a UD. Hard to guage Povetkin at this point in time. He blitzed Boswell and that's not something I was expecting considering Boswell's a pretty tough old campaigner. Have to see if he's improved now Atlas is no longer in his corner.

No way Norton beats Wlad though. Can't believe people are writing that.

Barn
02-15-2012, 06:41 AM
I agree with the bold. Outside the Klits I'd favour him against anyone in the current top ten (though that's not saying much considering some of the names on there). Guys like Helenius, Fury, Dimitrenko, and Thompson would just get embarrassed; they're far too slow and clumsy, and whilst Helenius has a bit of power, I don't see him landing enough to get to Ken. Adamek might put up a decent fight, but I think he gets outboxed and possibly stopped. Chambers would be an interesting fight. Chambers has the skills and speed to cause Norton a few problems; his main weaknesses are lack of power and output. I think he loses a UD. Hard to guage Povetkin at this point in time. He blitzed Boswell and that's not something I was expecting considering Boswell's a pretty tough old campaigner. Have to see if he's improved now Atlas is no longer in his corner.

No way Norton beats Wlad though. Can't believe people are writing that.

Good post. He should make it challenging for Wlad though and would be his best opponent.

Cardinal Buck
02-15-2012, 09:13 AM
seriously??????????


:lol1:

You realize that that's almost the same as saying he won't beat the K bros, right?

Ray Corso
02-15-2012, 10:01 AM
I'm not sure Kenny ever had an easy fight and doubt that he'd like one either. If you watch the Holmes vs Norton fight slowly and digest the fight you'll see that he'd have little trouble competing with anyone out there today. They're ALL predictable and other the Vladdy theres no one that could handle Kenny's desire to win. Once again Vladdy would have a fighter in front of him that would demand that he'd fight and have to fight every second of every round and I don't see the fighters of today be able to do that. I don't think they had early fights to prepare them for a man like Norton. Kenny was tuff and don't look at the Forman fight to decide where Norton ranks. Look what happened to Frazier against Big George then Ali slides in and Stops Him!!! Its all about "match ups"!! I don't see Vladdy hanging in there with Norton, I see Norton backing him up because because Vladdy would have to step to him eventually after trying to box him in the beginning. If he could box and move and maintain that style on a very high level of energy with determination he'd have his shot. Kenny was pretty slow a foot but he could pick up his "walking" pace and begin to pressure Vladdy into the corners and ropes thats when Vladdy would have to step to him before Kenny gets any momentum flowing. Could be a good fight I give Vladdy more credit then I did at his beginning I wish he'd show more determination early in the fights to take his opponents mind away but to be honest the current crop of heavies don't show much heart to be champs. He could have and should have lost a few during the last 5 or 6 years and I see him winning the title back too. That sure would have helped boxing in a big way. An intelligent man who knows how to win big, and when hes defeated can come right back and regain the title. Sounds kinda fairtale but thats what I've seen out of these guys today but no one has stepped up. Thats the difference in the era's the era's gone by had men who came to challenge this era has guys who want to last, damn that Rocky movie!!! hahahaha!!!! early lunch time! Ray.

zab191
03-03-2012, 02:41 PM
Norton was around the Klitchkos would've retired along time ago.

House of Stone
03-03-2012, 05:24 PM
I think he'd be the best of the rest as it were. I'd don't see him beating either brother though