View Full Version : Is Kostya Tszu running scared?


dustymoo
12-31-2004, 10:55 AM
Has anyone else noticed how many excuses Tszu has used to avoid Ricky Hatton. From damaged hands to my personal favourite; "It always rains in Manchester". Even indoors apparantly? Although Hatton has stated he will fight him anywhere.

It is all getting silly, and a bit obvious. I'd go so far to say 'cowardly'. The defining fight in the Light-Welter division has got to be Hatton vs Cotto. As a fan of Tszu's also, i'm getting increasingly upset by him, for want of a better term, being too chicken!

Nautilus
12-31-2004, 11:05 AM
Has anyone else noticed how many excuses Tszu has used to avoid Ricky Hatton. From damaged hands to my personal favourite; "It always rains in Manchester". Even indoors apparantly? Although Hatton has stated he will fight him anywhere.

It is all getting silly, and a bit obvious. I'd go so far to say 'cowardly'. The defining fight in the Light-Welter division has got to be Hatton vs Cotto. As a fan of Tszu's also, i'm getting increasingly upset by him, for want of a better term, being too chicken!

WTF?

Why should the Champion go to Manchester and take an underpaid fight?

I think Kostya is much better off fighting De La Hoya in an epic dream battle.

This is Hatton who should go to Australia, PERIOD. Hatton is the ONE who has to prove that he is not a COWARD and can fight outside his home arena.

Kostya does not have to prove anything to lamers like you and your home-grown broilers.

dustymoo
12-31-2004, 11:17 AM
I agree, Hatton has to leave Britain to fight. But he has stated many times that he will. But judging by your comments you havent seen much of Hatton then? I also agree that Britain has never been blessed with the most mobile fighters. But with Hatton, & Calzaghe (who Glen Johnson succesfully avoided, as well as the great Roy Jones jnr.) Britain has two truely world class fighters. There is no way Tszu could live with Hatton.

It's a shame that yourself, obviously a great & knowlegable boxing fan, condones this culture of overblown U.S Bumfights for millions of dollars. Rather than the best fighting the best!

Talking of broilers? Australia?

drag0n_
12-31-2004, 11:20 AM
Tszyu isn't running scared... He's looking for the BIG fights, and so he should be...

But if i'm honest, i see Hatton giving Kostya a harder time than the big names (DLH, Spinks etc.) But i think he should fight Hatton because if he doesn't i can still people saying "he didn't fight all the contenders" " Hatton would have beaten him" and it would ruin his image imo.

He should then finish a golden career with a blockbuster fight with the Golden Boy!

dustymoo
12-31-2004, 11:23 AM
A very diplomatic and presice answer there, me thinks. Must be Christmas.

Nautilus
12-31-2004, 11:55 AM
There is no way Tszu could live with Hatton.



Tzsyu will destroy your Hatton guy in the way he destroyed the best fighters in his division. Hatton has not beaten a single top-ranked guy yet.



It's a shame that yourself, obviously a great & knowlegable boxing fan, condones this culture of overblown U.S Bumfights for millions of dollars. Rather than the best fighting the best!


Do not attribute false opinions to me.

So, if Tszyu vs DLH is a fight of BUMS, then how should we call Hatton and you then?


Tzsyu has only 2-3 fights left in him, and I believe he can decide for himself which ones he wants to fight, without your lame, biased persona telling him what to do.


Fighting DLH is way better than fighting an unproven, over-hyped, over-protected, home-grown "wonder" named Hatton.

Nautilus
12-31-2004, 11:58 AM
Has anyone else noticed how many excuses Tszu has used to avoid Ricky Hatton. From damaged hands to my personal favourite; "It always rains in Manchester". !

Please PROVIDE the link to the credible newssource where Kostya claims that this is the reason for not taking the fight in Machester.

You are a LIER, you are not a Tzsyu fan. You are just a chiken troll.

elveiel
12-31-2004, 12:05 PM
I dont think Tszyu is scared to fight Hatton but he is making excuses and is trying to avoid the fight. Tszyu always fights mandatorys so its a shame he doesnt really want the Hatton fight. I'd make Tszyu a favourite to beat Hatton, the guys a great fighter.

I cant blame Tszyu because i'd rather a mega fight with DLH!!

I consider my view to be netural because Tszyu and Hatton are my two of my favourite fighters.

dustymoo
12-31-2004, 12:08 PM
Ok. So in the U.S Hatton is avoiding Tzsyu, and in the UK Tzsyu is avoiding Hatton. Who do you believe? I dont know? All i do know is, that you havent seen enough of Hatton. Why isnt he getting the big fights? Frank Warren being a cunt is one reason. The other being, big names wont go near him. Be it money or fear, it doesnt matter!
The BUMS comment was a sweeping generalisation of American boxing as a whole. Certanly not of Oscar.

onikami
12-31-2004, 12:08 PM
Fighting DLH is way better than fighting an unproven, over-hyped, over-protected, home-grown "wonder" named Hatton.

DLH is long past his golden best. Typical of KT to look for a easy way out. Hutton is young, mobile, a jack be nimble. KT would not be able to keep up. So his looking to take on a fellow is own age, hence the easy route: DLH.

elveiel
12-31-2004, 12:22 PM
DLH is long past his golden best. Typical of KT to look for a easy way out. Hutton is young, mobile, a jack be nimble. KT would not be able to keep up. So his looking to take on a fellow is own age, hence the easy route: DLH.

DLH does struggle past 8 rounds but i think Tszyu is just a able now as he was 5/10 years ago, IMO Tszyu is at his best now.

Although DLH isnt in his prime i wouldnt call him an easy route, unless you mean an easy route to money because he's without doubt an elite fighter(even though i cant stand the guy)

RobbieD
12-31-2004, 12:30 PM
Hatton is the #1 IBF and MANDATORY challenger. Tsyzu has to fight him or give up the title. Champions just don't give up titles for "bigger fights". He can take $5 million to fight Hatton and if he is so great, he'll beat him and fight De La Hoya after. Obviously won't happen though.

Love how the Americans keep running their traps about Hatton having to come to the States? Why should he? He is a huge draw here in England and you all know it's about money. Would say Bernard Hopkins come to England to fight if he could make more money in the States? Of course not. You go where the money is. Doesn't matter if it's England, America or Peru.

DLT
12-31-2004, 12:31 PM
Put it this way and this is what I always try to tell people about **** like this. I dont think Zoo is running scared but when Harris did this you said that he was running scared. If Floyd was doing this you would be saying the same thing and you know it. Theirs always a double standard about this **** and dont give me that Zoo is the champ mess because he hasnt beat any of the top guys there right now. The division is much better now then the one that he ruled

elveiel
12-31-2004, 01:09 PM
Hatton is the #1 IBF and MANDATORY challenger. Tsyzu has to fight him or give up the title. Champions just don't give up titles for "bigger fights". He can take $5 million to fight Hatton and if he is so great, he'll beat him and fight De La Hoya after. Obviously won't happen though.

DLH always likes a warm up fight before taking a real challenge, and he's stated he doesnt want to fight too often at this stage of his career!! This will give Tszyu plenty of time to fight Hatton before DLH is ready for showdown.

BrooklynBomber
12-31-2004, 01:40 PM
Wow, the guy who is dominating the deepest division for almost his whole career. Who had beaten the best fighters of that division and nw in the end is looking to cement his place in BHOF with a few megafights that are left in him is running scared from the "great"
Ricky Hatton. Give Tszuy a break he deserves couple of really big fights. HAtton on the other hand does not deserve ****.

semjasa
12-31-2004, 01:52 PM
WTF?

Why should the Champion go to Manchester and take an underpaid fight?

I think Kostya is much better off fighting De La Hoya in an epic dream battle.

This is Hatton who should go to Australia, PERIOD. Hatton is the ONE who has to prove that he is not a COWARD and can fight outside his home arena.

Kostya does not have to prove anything to lamers like you and your home-grown broilers. Hatton has said he will fight anywere, its Kostya thats thrown up excuses. First Kostya said he wasnt gonna fight in Manchester, so Hattons camp said thats no problem we will come to you, then Kostya's camp started with hand problem excuses and other bull****, so dont say he hasnt got anyting to prove.........

elveiel
12-31-2004, 01:52 PM
Wow, the guy who is dominating the deepest division for almost his whole career. Who had beaten the best fighters of that division and nw in the end is looking to cement his place in BHOF with a few megafights that are left in him is running scared from the "great"
Ricky Hatton. Give Tszuy a break he deserves couple of really big fights. HAtton on the other hand does not deserve ****.

Tszyu isnt running scared of Hatton, but he always fight mandatory so why should Hatton be any different??

Hatton deserves a title shot even if Tszyu vacates it.

Nautilus
12-31-2004, 01:57 PM
Hatton has said he will fight anywere.........


That is what Hatton said to Sharmba Mitchell and then priced Sharmba Mitchell out by offering him a small purse. Read the news carefully.

I am sure the fight will happen, what we see is a negotiation.


I liked your prediction that Williams was going to KO Vitaliy. I still laugh about it. :D

Nautilus
12-31-2004, 01:59 PM
Tszyu isnt running scared of Hatton, but he always fight mandatory so why should Hatton be any different??



That is not true. Tszyu gave up couple of belts in order to fight Sharmba Mitchell instead of some subpar opponents.


Hatton does deserves a title shot, no question about it.

elveiel
12-31-2004, 02:03 PM
That is what Hatton said to Sharmba Mitchell and then priced Sharmba Mitchell out by offering him a small purse. Read the news carefully.

I dont believe a word Mitchell says since the first Tszyu fight!!

The camera was on him when he told the corner he wouldnt continue to fight and straight after the fight he told the same camera the corner wouldnt let him continue!!

what a load of bull****, LMAO :D

elveiel
12-31-2004, 02:09 PM
That is not true. Tszyu gave up couple of belts in order to fight Sharmba Mitchell instead of some subpar opponents.


Hatton does deserves a title shot, no question about it.

Mitchell was his IBF mandatory so he still fought a mandatory.

The WBC put Branco as his mandatory, Tszyu knew that guy wasnt good enough to share a ring so i'd expect him to choose the Mitchell fight and give up the WBCorrupt belt.

Nautilus
12-31-2004, 02:17 PM
Mitchell was his IBF mandatory so he still fought a mandatory.

The WBC put Branco as his mandatory, Tszyu knew that guy wasnt good enough to share a ring so i'd expect him to choose the Mitchell fight and give up the WBCorrupt belt.


So, is Hatton good enough for Tzsyu to fight him, given that he has a looming GREAT fight with DLH? Is he better than DLH? Has he achieved more than DLH?


I think Tzsyu should fight DLH first and then fight Floyd, Hatton, or Gatti after that.

!!Captain
12-31-2004, 02:24 PM
DLH is long past his golden best. Typical of KT to look for a easy way out. Hutton is young, mobile, a jack be nimble. KT would not be able to keep up. So his looking to take on a fellow is own age, hence the easy route: DLH.

I wish Hutton would stop running and KT would finally kick his ass so this crap would stop coming out of all Hutton's fans mouths.

elveiel
12-31-2004, 03:40 PM
So, is Hatton good enough for Tzsyu to fight him, given that he has a looming GREAT fight with DLH? Is he better than DLH? Has he achieved more than DLH?


I think Tzsyu should fight DLH first and then fight Floyd, Hatton, or Gatti after that.


To answer your question, yes he's definitly good enough for Tszyu to fight him.

The big fight with De La Hoya would make financial sense, it would be a big part of his legacy, but when has DLH fought a mega fight without taking a warm up first?? especially at new weight and after a loss!!

If i were Tszyu and i had the choice between DLH or Hatton i would take the DLH fight evertime, but if i were Tszyu at this moment in time i'd take the Hatton(and the $5mil) whilst waiting for the DLH fight.

If all goes well for Tszyu he could make $15-20mil in 2005, with more than enough legacy and money to retire with.

elveiel
12-31-2004, 03:52 PM
I wish Hutton would stop running and KT would finally kick his ass so this crap would stop coming out of all Hutton's fans mouths.

The only running Hatton is doing is running after Tszyu, if you listened to the promoter, fighters and managers you would know Tszyu is the one who's unsure about the fight.

Tsyzu's one of my favourite fighters and i never thought i'd want him to get beat so much!! Its the only way to stop all this crap coming from Hatton haters mouths!!

If you dont like reading comments from Hatton fans then find a thread that doesnt involve him!!

QueenCity
12-31-2004, 03:57 PM
I wanna see see Tszyu back in the ring ASAP. Promoters just need to give Tszyu a little more love and I'm confident the fignt will happen. Frank Warrewn and the boys across the pond just need to understand Hatton needs the fight a lot more than Tszyu does and paid the Aussie accordingly.

Boxerdog
12-31-2004, 05:14 PM
I am certainly not a Hatton hater. He may be a GOAT contender but with Warren calling the shots we may never know.
There is nothing in Zu's history to suggest cowardice, that's for sure!
Look...it's simple.
Lance Armstrong couldn't crow about being the best cyclist in the world and then refuse to prove it in France.
If you are to be respected as a world-class champion in boxing, you hafta to ply your trade in the U.S.A. often.
I'm not saying that that is good or bad. I AM saying that it's a fact!

zoo
12-31-2004, 05:29 PM
Nobody is scared of Ricky Hatton. Sharmba Mitchell challenged Hatton on live TV and Hatton backed out once the camera was off. At that time Mitchell was the interm IBF champion, and the interm champ by IBF law has an automatic shot at the champ once he can fight.

If Hatton would have fought Mitchell he could have had a shot at the interm title there by having an automatic shot at the real title. Also, the interm champion is automatically intitled to 45% of the purse against the real champ, now Hatton is only a contender and only in position to get 25% of the purse.

If Hatton would have fought Mitchell he could have earned respect, and would have been in position to force a fight with Tszyu that he was intitled to nearly half the purse. But like a classic coward Hatton backed out of the fight with Mitchell even though he had everything to gain, and than he backed out of his fight Harris, and now looks to be backing out of a fight with Cotto.

Now he'll only fight Tszyu if it's in Manchester? What world is Hatton living in if he thinks champions fly half way around the world to defend their title in the challenger's back yard. People try to blame Frank Warren but the fact is Warren and Hatton are thick as theives and have no real intentions of making competitive fights. They just want to ride the gravy train as far as it will take them.

Once Hatton's sorry ass gets KO'd I doubt we'll ever see him again. Than again he might just fight 38 more bums until another sanctioning body is stupid enough to rank him number 1.

That is just my opinion.

Sir_Jose
12-31-2004, 06:54 PM
Thanks Hatton fans I needed a laugh.

Miguel Cotto X 23
12-31-2004, 10:07 PM
WTF?

Why should the Champion go to Manchester and take an underpaid fight?

I think Kostya is much better off fighting De La Hoya in an epic dream battle.

This is Hatton who should go to Australia, PERIOD. Hatton is the ONE who has to prove that he is not a COWARD and can fight outside his home arena.

Kostya does not have to prove anything to lamers like you and your home-grown broilers.


You are right.