View Full Version : UFC on Fox failed Miserably to attract new viewers..


iLovesoccermoms
01-29-2012, 01:19 AM
Watched the whole damn thing, they bombed tonight, it was pathetic..

If they dont smarten up and up their cards Fox dropping them wouldnt kill them but would put a giant dent/thud in particularly their repuations and company as a whole..

this is a big deal..

Cause stuff today can only last LITERALLY a few episodes in the world of TV, its not like before and beyond where your show gets a couple years to catch on, fox has a ridiculous reputation for cancelling fast.. although young, UFC has been and been popular for a while now and a failure at the big leagues could lead to catastrophic results..








Dont forget f*ckers:







Do Not Disturb (2008)
Down the Shore (1995)
Dream On (1990–1996)
Drexell's Class (1991)
Flying Blind (1992)
Free Ride (2006)
The George Carlin Show (1994–1995)
Get a Life (1990–1992)
Greg the Bunny (2002)
Grounded for Life (2001–2002)
Happy Hour (2006)
Haywire (1990)
Herman's Head (1991–1994)
Holding the Baby (1998)
In Living Color (1990–1994)
It's Garry Shandling's Show (1988–1990)
Action! (1999)
Andy Richter Controls the Universe (2002–2003)
Arrested Development (2003–2006)
Babes (1990–1991)
Back to You (2007–2008)
The Ben Stiller Show (1992–1993)
The Bernie Mac Show (2001–2006)
Between Brothers (1997–1998 Fox)
Boys Will Be Boys (1987-1989)
Brothers (2009)
Comic Strip Live (1989–1994)
Costello (1998)Cracking Up (2004)
Karen's Song (1987)
Kitchen Confidential (2005)
The Last Frontier (1996)
Life on a Stick (2005)
Living Single (1993–1998)
The Loop (2006–2007)
Love and Marriage (1996)
Luis (2003)
Martin (1992–1997)
Method & Red (2004)
Mr. President (1987–1988)
Ned & Stacey (1995–1997)
The New Adventures of Beans Baxter (1987)
Normal, Ohio (2000–2001)
Oliver Beene (2003–2004)
Open House (1989–1990)
Opposite Sex (2000)
Parker Lewis Can't Lose (1990–1993)
Party Girl (1996)
The Pitts (2003)
The Preston Episodes (1995)
Quintuplets (2004–2005)
The Return of Jezebel James (2008)
Roc (1991–1994)
Second Chance (1987)
Stacked (2005–2006)
Stand By Your Man (1992)
That '80s Show (2002)
The Tick (2001–2002)
Titus (2000–2002)
Too Something (aka New York Daze) (1995-1996)
Top of the Heap (1991)
The Tracey Ullman Show (1987–1990)
'Til Death (2006–2010)
True Colors (1990–1992)
Undeclared (2001–2002)
Unhitched (2008)
Vinnie & Bobby (1992)
Wanda at Large (2003)
The War at Home (2005–2007)
The Winner (2007)
Women in Prison (1987)
Woops! (1992)

ALL FOX PROGRAMMING this does not include failures of 2011 :bigeyes:

Verstyle
01-29-2012, 01:23 AM
A friend of mine that LOVES UFC said that they're saturating it too much. I believe it. They're trying to make it a sit at home thing. I hate UFC by the way but I love the individual martial arts.

HUGEBOXINGFAN
01-29-2012, 01:29 AM
first time i ever really watched it and they arent going to get me tuning in again. first fight was the worst fight ever. sonnen fight was ok main event sucked.

-Huey-
01-29-2012, 01:42 AM
Good. I hope they get dropped from FOX.

Virgil Caine
01-29-2012, 01:55 AM
Yeah, they're showing their amateur colors.

Really not great matchmaking.

Dice
01-29-2012, 01:56 AM
Lmao the same thing can happen wit boxing. It could end In a pitter jab fest decision or it could be a ko. The first ufc on fox main event was a wrap in less then two minutes just like pac man finished hatton in less then three rounds. Oh yea the undercard Was fire too shout outs to cub swanson whoopin george roops tall beanpole ass ( a fan of roop too tho) cub gets some bad breaks and gets injured alot but hes a beast.

At the same time i respect everyones opinion. Not everyone is gonna like everything, i fukin hate soccer. But the ufc has been through tougher paths then a iffy show on fox that had over 17k people attend

Ether
01-29-2012, 02:05 AM
Probably because Dana doesn't wanna give people that much of a free show.

UFC PPVs **** all over UFC on Fox.

Virgil Caine
01-29-2012, 02:19 AM
Lmao the same thing can happen wit boxing. It could end In a pitter jab fest decision or it could be a ko. The first ufc on fox main event was a wrap in less then two minutes just like pac man finished hatton in less then three rounds. Oh yea the undercard Was fire too shout outs to cub swanson whoopin george roops tall beanpole ass ( a fan of roop too tho) cub gets some bad breaks and gets injured alot but hes a beast.

At the same time i respect everyones opinion. Not everyone is gonna like everything, i fukin hate soccer. But the ufc has been through tougher paths then a iffy show on fox that had over 17k people attend

The main event was pretty week. Classic matchup of two wrestlers canceling each other out and ending up in a novice level kickboxing match. It doesn't matter whether any of us liked it, what matters is the ratings. I wouldn't be surprized if they aren't great. And the first card was pretty disastrous. 30 minutes of hype for 1 minute of fighting, and then the president melting down on live TV and saying his new champ has no cardio. Was comical actually.

ƒallenloki
01-29-2012, 03:06 AM
Tonight's card was pretty painful to sit through.

I seriously fell asleep mid Sonnen-Bisping and woke up during Davis-Evans... I promptly fell back asleep.

The market for MMA is saturated and they are putting on cards with C level talent.

iLovesoccermoms
01-29-2012, 03:39 AM
The main event was pretty week. Classic matchup of two wrestlers canceling each other out and ending up in a novice level kickboxing match. It doesn't matter whether any of us liked it, what matters is the ratings. I wouldn't be surprized if they aren't great. And the first card was pretty disastrous. 30 minutes of hype for 1 minute of fighting, and then the president melting down on live TV and saying his new champ has no cardio. Was comical actually.

lol that was hilarious, Dana seemed paranoid throughout dodging the press conference was icing on the cake, instead he did a 2min thing with Ariel away from everyone :wave:

monaroCountry
01-29-2012, 05:34 AM
Dont forget f*ckers:



Do Not Disturb (2008)
Down the Shore (1995)
Dream On (1990–1996)
Drexell's Class (1991)
Flying Blind (1992)
Free Ride (2006)
The George Carlin Show (1994–1995)
Get a Life (1990–1992)
Greg the Bunny (2002)
Grounded for Life (2001–2002)
Happy Hour (2006)
Haywire (1990)
Herman's Head (1991–1994)
Holding the Baby (1998)
In Living Color (1990–1994)
It's Garry Shandling's Show (1988–1990)
Action! (1999)
Andy Richter Controls the Universe (2002–2003)
Arrested Development (2003–2006)
Babes (1990–1991)
Back to You (2007–2008)
The Ben Stiller Show (1992–1993)
The Bernie Mac Show (2001–2006)
Between Brothers (1997–1998 Fox)
Boys Will Be Boys (1987-1989)
Brothers (2009)
Comic Strip Live (1989–1994)
Costello (1998)Cracking Up (2004)
Karen's Song (1987)
Kitchen Confidential (2005)
The Last Frontier (1996)
Life on a Stick (2005)
Living Single (1993–1998)
The Loop (2006–2007)
Love and Marriage (1996)
Luis (2003)
Martin (1992–1997)
Method & Red (2004)
Mr. President (1987–1988)
Ned & Stacey (1995–1997)
The New Adventures of Beans Baxter (1987)
Normal, Ohio (2000–2001)
Oliver Beene (2003–2004)
Open House (1989–1990)
Opposite Sex (2000)
Parker Lewis Can't Lose (1990–1993)
Party Girl (1996)
The Pitts (2003)
The Preston Episodes (1995)
Quintuplets (2004–2005)
The Return of Jezebel James (2008)
Roc (1991–1994)
Second Chance (1987)
Stacked (2005–2006)
Stand By Your Man (1992)
That '80s Show (2002)
The Tick (2001–2002)
Titus (2000–2002)
Too Something (aka New York Daze) (1995-1996)
Top of the Heap (1991)
The Tracey Ullman Show (1987–1990)
'Til Death (2006–2010)
True Colors (1990–1992)
Undeclared (2001–2002)
Unhitched (2008)
Vinnie & Bobby (1992)
Wanda at Large (2003)
The War at Home (2005–2007)
The Winner (2007)
Women in Prison (1987)
Woops! (1992)
UFC (2013)


So whats the problem, everyone would just go to Bellator anyway. Cut out the middlemen (the UFC). This way the broadcaster who also owns the promotion can pay the fighters directly.

With the UFC gone maybe we could see fighters from all around the world and from different promotions actually fight each other instead of CANS like Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin getting hyped up as the best and baddest.

jmt225
01-29-2012, 05:45 AM
Another bad thing is that this was the last UFC event for Fox to hype during NFL games until next season, so tonight was the night for the UFC to convert new fans if they were going to do it any time soon.

Diaz vs. Condit should have headlined this card. And now they have little Diaz on the next card, only to face someone who will look to wrestle**** him for 3 Rounds. I really don't know WTF the UFC is thinking at this point.

monaroCountry
01-29-2012, 05:45 AM
Lmao the same thing can happen wit boxing. It could end In a pitter jab fest decision or it could be a ko. The first ufc on fox main event was a wrap in less then two minutes just like pac man finished hatton in less then three rounds. Oh yea the undercard Was fire too shout outs to cub swanson whoopin george roops tall beanpole ass ( a fan of roop too tho) cub gets some bad breaks and gets injured alot but hes a beast.

At the same time i respect everyones opinion. Not everyone is gonna like everything, i fukin hate soccer. But the ufc has been through tougher paths then a iffy show on fox that had over 17k people attend

Broadcasters can drop boxing like they can drop the UFC. But boxing is a sport and will continue to thrive and evolve, its epicentre might no longer be in America but its growing in Europe and Asia.

UFC is a promotion and as we have seen, the biggest promotion can literally disappear the next day without too much of an issue. There will always be other promotions where fighters can fight.

As for the PacMan fight. You cant compare the PacMan v Hatton because 1) that fight lasted longer, 2) people saw skills and courage on display, and 3) most people were happy with the event/fight. The Cain v JDS was a meh fight and most everyone was left with a I GOT RIPPED OFF AGAIN feeling where the fight didnt live up to the hype.

monaroCountry
01-29-2012, 05:49 AM
The market for MMA is saturated and they are putting on cards with C level talent.


C level talent for A level hype, just leaves people who bought the PPV feeling ripped off.

pesticid
01-29-2012, 09:24 AM
I don't hate MMA but last night's fights were very bad. We end up with these jui-jitsu and wrestling guys who try to stand up because their respective core competencies get cancelled out. So we're watching very poor boxing and kickboxing matches. I mean skills pay the bills and flailing drunks get sent to bars or UFC fight cards. At least that's how it looked last night.

No1
01-29-2012, 10:45 AM
Tonight's card was pretty painful to sit through.

I seriously fell asleep mid Sonnen-Bisping and woke up during Davis-Evans... I promptly fell back asleep.

The market for MMA is saturated and they are putting on cards with C level talent.
Thats it mate. I will give the UFC a free pass on this one. The last few events have been pretty epic with the likes of the RIO card, hendo vs Shogun (need I say more) plus a few other great fights like seeing Wandy return with killer knee's to break Cung Lee.

I just feel like litereally a card on every single week it seems the market will get to saturated and cards that people would ahve watched a few years ago will be skipped becuase there is another on a week later, I would much prefer maybe one card a month but stack it with great match ups and name fighters.

-2 Scrappy-
01-29-2012, 11:02 AM
They need to show the lil guys. Both UFC on fox prelims were sick as hell.

Big BRICKS
01-29-2012, 11:42 AM
Refs with yellow cards fix this whole fiasco. You don't fight you don't get paid.

chosen0309
01-29-2012, 01:01 PM
I went to the united center, and the prelims were a lot better than the main event. It was pretty cool being at the show, but the majority of the audience was booing during the whole main card. They need to make better match-ups for these cards. The fox card was disappointing. The guys were fighting not to lose. Not fighting to win.

Virgil Caine
01-29-2012, 01:21 PM
I went to the united center, and the prelims were a lot better than the main event. It was pretty cool being at the show, but the majority of the audience was booing during the whole main card. They need to make better match-ups for these cards. The fox card was disappointing. The guys were fighting not to lose. Not fighting to win.
What did you guage the reaction was to Chael Sonnen's WWE performance? Just out of curiousity.

-Swizzy-
01-29-2012, 01:42 PM
Although this is clearly a mma hate thread, I will reply anyway....

UFC is purposley putting soft fights on Fox right now to ease the new viewers into the sport. Also, this isn't PPV..... UFC doesn't ever intend on putting their best cards on Fox. And its very unlikely that Fox will cancel these events considering its on a Saturday and not on a Mon-Thur primetime time slot so they won't be as sensitive to the ratings and such. Also its not like they're doing this every week. Its only about 4-5 times a year.

chosen0309
01-29-2012, 02:21 PM
What did you guage the reaction was to Chael Sonnen's WWE performance? Just out of curiousity.

The audience cheered slightly for it but it didn't really generate too huge of a "pop". His speech about being "greatness" seemed unconvincing, seeing as how the bout wasn't really that great or exciting. I felt the audience reacted in obligatory cheers.

decideonsuicide
01-29-2012, 03:46 PM
They ****ed up putting Rashad-Phil as the five-round main event. They should have put Chael-Bisping instead. Overall, the fault lies in the matchmaker and cardmaking. They should have picked more reliable exciting fighters. The Bisping-Sonnen fight was good though, but it should have been five.

_original_
01-29-2012, 04:24 PM
Although this is clearly a mma hate thread, I will reply anyway....

UFC is purposley putting soft fights on Fox right now to ease the new viewers into the sport. Also, this isn't PPV..... UFC doesn't ever intend on putting their best cards on Fox. And its very unlikely that Fox will cancel these events considering its on a Saturday and not on a Mon-Thur primetime time slot so they won't be as sensitive to the ratings and such. Also its not like they're doing this every week. Its only about 4-5 times a year.

Cain VS Dos Santos was suppose to be a soft fight? Cain VS Dos Santos wasn't one of their best match ups on paper in recent years?

I agree with everybody else, it was a disaster and extremely boring event last night. They're 0-2 when it comes to Fox now, which is pretty sad cause I don't want them to cancel the UFC on Fox. They need to put Jones and the Diaz brothers on there soon and everything will be fine with the world.

F l i c k e r
01-29-2012, 04:26 PM
Although this is clearly a mma hate thread, I will reply anyway....

UFC is purposley putting soft fights on Fox right now to ease the new viewers into the sport. Also, this isn't PPV..... UFC doesn't ever intend on putting their best cards on Fox. And its very unlikely that Fox will cancel these events considering its on a Saturday and not on a Mon-Thur primetime time slot so they won't be as sensitive to the ratings and such. Also its not like they're doing this every week. Its only about 4-5 times a year.


Exactly. And your first point, spot on.

I wasn't bothered by any of the fights. I don't watch the fox, fx, fuel, spyke shows thinking it's going to be a barn burner. Come on now. The day they put Dan Hardy vs Martin Kampmann on fox and it is snoozer. Then I'll be upset.

But you can't be hatin when you know it's wrestlers fighting.

-Swizzy-
01-29-2012, 04:41 PM
Cain VS Dos Santos was suppose to be a soft fight? Cain VS Dos Santos wasn't one of their best match ups on paper in recent years?

I agree with everybody else, it was a disaster and extremely boring event last night. They're 0-2 when it comes to Fox now, which is pretty sad cause I don't want them to cancel the UFC on Fox. They need to put Jones and the Diaz brothers on there soon and everything will be fine with the world.
yes. Its a wrestler vs a striker. Rarely does a fight like that end up into a brawl/blood bath. And that is what the UFC is trying to avoid in the first couple of shows on Fox.

And Cain vs Dos Santos was a good "matchup" yes, but if you read my post carefully, I didn't say they won't put 1 or 2 good fights on..... I specifically said they don't intend on putting a good "card" top-to-bottom on Fox. Can you imagine a PPV where they only show one fight, no matter how big that fight is.
Exactly. And your first point, spot on.

I wasn't bothered by any of the fights. I don't watch the fox, fx, fuel, spyke shows thinking it's going to be a barn burner. Come on now. The day they put Dan Hardy vs Martin Kampmann on fox and it is snoozer. Then I'll be upset.

But you can't be hatin when you know it's wrestlers fighting.

Exactly. If you're a true mma fan you'll know what to expect from every fight.

And even with these soft fights, there will still be a lot of sensitive old ppl turning off the television and not letting their kids watch so expect a lot of matchups with at least 1 wrestler in the main fights for the next couple of years on Fox.

TheKza
01-29-2012, 04:54 PM
Thats it mate. I will give the UFC a free pass on this one. The last few events have been pretty epic with the likes of the RIO card, hendo vs Shogun (need I say more) plus a few other great fights like seeing Wandy return with killer knee's to break Cung Lee.

I just feel like litereally a card on every single week it seems the market will get to saturated and cards that people would ahve watched a few years ago will be skipped becuase there is another on a week later, I would much prefer maybe one card a month but stack it with great match ups and name fighters.

It's Cung Le...































...Cung Le!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clegg
01-29-2012, 05:48 PM
It wasn't a great card, but on paper Bisping-Maia, Sonnen-Munoz and Evans-Davis was pretty good. Even with the changes they made, I don't think everyone was expecting all three fights to be dissapointing.

Jack3d
01-29-2012, 06:47 PM
I agree. Dana is being stingy. If they want UFC on Fox to flourish, they need to stack the card with fighters that will throw down and one of their mega-stars in the main event.

I like Rashad but he's not going to draw a crowd.

If they keep making people pay to watch anyone worth a damn and put all their garbage leftovers on Fox, it's not going to grow.

The card doesn't have to be loaded, but for chirst sakes, the matchmaking for this card was fuking terrible

GreatestIam
01-29-2012, 07:31 PM
LOL the ****ing thraed starter tried to compare UFC to ****ing television shows... WTF this is a SPORTS special, much like sunday night football... so you think if your local game on fox doesnt get viewers they'll cancel football altogether....?

The broadcast was great yesterday live championship UFC fighting for free on a saturday... and all 3 fights where good in there own way... the 1st fight was new v old... the 2nd was competitive as hell silvas ***** vs a obviously very improved bisping.... and the 3rd fight Former champ vs a guy who coulda been Jon Jones 3-4 yrs ago....


Ufc isnt going anywhere on fox or FX... dumasses... its not about your personal opinion its about the demand and overall product which in bothc concept and reciption will work its self out and into a top 10 sports special every viewing period...

SkillspayBills
01-29-2012, 10:29 PM
That first fight was so damn bad I wouldn't be suprised if they lost half the viewership just because of it. Two tired, out of shape guys throwing arm punches looking like crap. SMH WHILE watching it I was saying to myself "I am already a fan of this sport. Someone tuning for te first time may never watch it again". They should have put on a FW or LW bout for the first matchup, everyone knows the smaller guys have some of the best fights.

Dice
01-29-2012, 11:48 PM
Yo i said the same thing skills. As a fan your smart enough to know to check the prelims but as a newbie u dont kno about prelims and if i was new and saw that main card i wouldnt watch again. Aside from mike russows fat useless ass if the undercard switched spots with the main card no one would be saying what they are saying about the ufc on fox. Thats 0-2 now on network tv.

BUT! Jim miller vs nate diaz on ufc on fox 3

Virgil Caine
01-30-2012, 12:30 AM
LOL the ****ing thraed starter tried to compare UFC to ****ing television shows... WTF this is a SPORTS special, much like sunday night football... so you think if your local game on fox doesnt get viewers they'll cancel football altogether....?

The broadcast was great yesterday live championship UFC fighting for free on a saturday... and all 3 fights where good in there own way... the 1st fight was new v old... the 2nd was competitive as hell silvas ***** vs a obviously very improved bisping.... and the 3rd fight Former champ vs a guy who coulda been Jon Jones 3-4 yrs ago....


Ufc isnt going anywhere on fox or FX... dumasses... its not about your personal opinion its about the demand and overall product which in bothc concept and reciption will work its self out and into a top 10 sports special every viewing period...

Lol at this guy comparing the UFC to NFL football.

F l i c k e r
01-30-2012, 12:53 AM
Yo i said the same thing skills. As a fan your smart enough to know to check the prelims but as a newbie u dont kno about prelims and if i was new and saw that main card i wouldnt watch again. Aside from mike russows fat useless ass if the undercard switched spots with the main card no one would be saying what they are saying about the ufc on fox. Thats 0-2 now on network tv.

BUT! Jim miller vs nate diaz on ufc on fox 3

Trial and error. They'll eventually get it right.

Danny Gunz
01-30-2012, 01:35 AM
It seems UFC is really using this Fox deal to complement their ppv's (except for JDS-Cain which was necessary to start off UFC on Fox with a big fight).

I wouldnt be surprised if every card is just two contenders fighting to get a shot at the title which in turn is on PPV. Which is obviously a good idea, but it seems in every division the contenders are wrestlers and the champs are superior strikers, so instead of getting entertaining fights we get stinkers.

hailmary5150
01-30-2012, 02:15 AM
I didn't think it was that bad, it was free usually you gotta pay or go out and watch it.

Conduit and Diaz up next

ƒallenloki
01-30-2012, 02:19 AM
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hayZ
01-30-2012, 08:09 AM
The UFC has a number of problems at this point...

1) Their cards are affected because of the amount of injuries, 2010 was a terrible year for them because of this. The only positive that they could say that came out of 2010 was the rise of Jon Jones. GSP is out for a year, Anderson Silva will next fight in summer so thats one fight every year for him, these two are the UFCs biggest cash cows, with Brock Lesnar retiring.
2) Oversaturating could be true but it also gives the MMA fans more variety, which is never a bad thing. You will always have a certain percentage who will buy every event because whats $60 when you share it amongst many people watching it together.
3) Weight-cutting - Man, these wrestlers cut SO much weight to fight at a certain weight its crazy...Weidman had to cut 25 pounds in a week apparently, Chael Sonnen cuts a **** load of weight on the week of the fight as well, he weighs like 220+ when hes not training. Their cardio is affected big time because of it, Sonnen looked weak in his last fight to me Bisping would have won that fight if he was more active instead of pressing Sonnen up against the cage. Weidman had no gas tank, nor did Anthony Johnson against Belfort.

Virgil Caine
01-30-2012, 10:51 AM
You guys actually think the UFC is in a possition to dictate terms, using Fox to put on lackluster fights to set up paperviews, or using Fox as a soft introduction? Get real. If the UFC doesn't perform Fox won't keep them around. It is this simple.

Virgil Caine
01-30-2012, 10:51 AM
And as mentioned, the first card was a heavyweight title fight. It doesn't really get more high profile, so so much for the soft touch hypothesis.

Dice
01-30-2012, 12:09 PM
Over four million viewers for the second time, a sell out crowd, million dolla gate, carlos condit vs nick diaz up next for ppv, lmao the ufc dont ****in need fox but they puttin up numbers. Did u guys forget they givin fuel and fx there highest rating as well? Um wheres dream at? Where one fc at? As much as i love em wheres bellator at with theres then 200k viewers on viacom? And stop actin like u guys arent gonna watch in some way or form

Virgil Caine
01-30-2012, 12:45 PM
Over four million viewers for the second time, a sell out crowd, million dolla gate, carlos condit vs nick diaz up next for ppv, lmao the ufc dont ****in need fox but they puttin up numbers. Did u guys forget they givin fuel and fx there highest rating as well? Um wheres dream at? Where one fc at? As much as i love em wheres bellator at with theres then 200k viewers on viacom? And stop actin like u guys arent gonna watch in some way or form
Yeah, go ahead change the subject. Can't win an argument? Here's some spin. Just typical.

BEDROOM BULLY
01-30-2012, 12:58 PM
The first fight on Fox wasn't that bad.. really..

Lets be honest the thing was that it should have been Hendo/Guida + JDS/Cain + 25-30mins talking. They messed up in that respect and it's been well documented.

This recent card didn't really get that hurt by injuries..

Munoz/Sonnen probably wouldn't have been great..

Bisping would have probably dominated Maia..

I actually thought the Rashad/Evans and Sonnen/Bisping fights were good if you like MMA you probably would appreciate them. But they are not the fights to draw casual fans into buying your ppv's

Lets be honest though it was pretty shameful that Wiedman/Maia fight happening on the day Nadal/Djok went out and ran each other into the ground for 5-6 hrs... I know it's not the same but come on Maia gassed after 4mins!!

Virgil Caine
01-30-2012, 01:03 PM
Here's the thing. You don't use Fox to sell PPVs. What would Fox get out of that? You serve at the pleasure of the Fox brass.

If they don't turn their ***** around, UFC is not going to last on Fox.

BEDROOM BULLY
01-30-2012, 01:07 PM
IMO they should put guys like Barry on it..

Guys you know who will put on a performance win or lose and maybe have it headlined by one or two top guys

Fox is happy cause it gets good buys..

UFC hopefully get casual fans interested in the product and wanting to pay for ppv's

Dice
01-30-2012, 01:27 PM
Yeah, go ahead change the subject. Can't win an argument? Here's some spin. Just typical.

What arguement?? That they had a bad show that made millions? That the bad show set up two monster ppv main event wit jones and evans and silva sonnen?

It irks me that and im not sayin u specifically nogoshi but ppl always b!tch about zuffa and dana and this and that but u guys continously follow the ufc on the net always watch the shows but keep acting like the ufc is gonna spiral out.How come no one talks about any of the other organizations
On here? Cuz deep down if it aint ufc it aint grabbin ya attention.
Oh yea since i like to change the subject pat curran vs joe warren comin real soon. I could care less about dana or zuffa i care about the sport. U think i pay roder goddell bud selig and david stern anymind?

Dice
01-30-2012, 01:30 PM
Here's the thing. You don't use Fox to sell PPVs. What would Fox get out of that? You serve at the pleasure of the Fox brass.

If they don't turn their ***** around, UFC is not going to last on Fox.

Oh yea since i cant win an arguement i said in the post U HIGHLIGHTED that ufc is giving fuel and fx TWO FOX OWNED CHANNELS there biggest ratings. But fox doesnt get nothing out of that ur right

Danny Gunz
01-30-2012, 01:52 PM
You guys actually think the UFC is in a possition to dictate terms, using Fox to put on lackluster fights to set up paperviews, or using Fox as a soft introduction? Get real. If the UFC doesn't perform Fox won't keep them around. It is this simple.

I never hinted at UFC dictating any terms but they make the big money on the PPV's not on the network. UFC is more willing to have the Fox thing not work out then put a lot of their champions on free tv and miss the blockbuster ppvs of a Silva - Sonnen 2 or Jon Jones - Evans.

Yeah the first Fox show was the HW championship but that was because they had to have a championship fight for the first show. They have to start the programming strong to create some hype for it. With that said though I really doubt had it been Lesnar - JDS in the HW title there would be no way that would be on free tv.

Virgil Caine
01-30-2012, 02:10 PM
I never hinted at UFC dictating any terms but they make the big money on the PPV's not on the network. UFC is more willing to have the Fox thing not work out then put a lot of their champions on free tv and miss the blockbuster ppvs of a Silva - Sonnen 2 or Jon Jones - Evans.

Yeah the first Fox show was the HW championship but that was because they had to have a championship fight for the first show. They have to start the programming strong to create some hype for it. With that said though I really doubt had it been Lesnar - JDS in the HW title there would be no way that would be on free tv.
I wasn't necessarily speaking to you--I was maybe playing off a couple points--but more so the topic/thread at large.

Zuffa already burnt their bridges with ****e, the network which basically built them up, ironically enough.

I don't disagree that Lesnar wouldn't have been put on Fox, but that's more so because he drew in the PPV buying WWE fan base than anything, but also because of the raw numbers he pulled in as well.

Still though, JDS-Cain would've been a pretty saleable fight irregardless, imo. They did however screw up bigtime with that broadcast, buy having an hour of programming and 1 minute of fighting. The fact that all of the viewers cut out to go back to watching college football and ice-skating immediately was salt on the wounds (this was documented at the time). That's probably why they moved to have a 3-fight card this time, but the matchmaking was pretty underwhelming. I missed the Maia fight (I tuned in during the 3rd round, and saw two guys completely gassed trying to throw arm punches). The Sonnen-Bisping fight was lackluster, and the main event was five rounds of two wrestlers trying to kickbox, with one guy (Davis) so green that he didn't know how to throw punches properly, and that went on for 5 rounds. It is just my opinion (though not mine alone), but the UFC has blown its first two shows on Fox now. People are kidding themselves if they think that if the UFC can't get it's act together Fox won't drop the UFC without batting an eyelash. This isn't MTV2 or ****e, or for that matter FX. With the amount of traffic that the big networks like Fox pull, if you do not perform you are gone.

Danny Gunz
01-30-2012, 02:56 PM
I wasn't necessarily speaking to you--I was maybe playing off a couple points--but more so the topic/thread at large.

Zuffa already burnt their bridges with ****e, the network which basically built them up, ironically enough.

I don't disagree that Lesnar wouldn't have been put on Fox, but that's more so because he drew in the PPV buying WWE fan base than anything, but also because of the raw numbers he pulled in as well.

Still though, JDS-Cain would've been a pretty saleable fight irregardless, imo. They did however screw up bigtime with that broadcast, buy having an hour of programming and 1 minute of fighting. The fact that all of the viewers cut out to go back to watching college football and ice-skating immediately was salt on the wounds (this was documented at the time). That's probably why they moved to have a 3-fight card this time, but the matchmaking was pretty underwhelming. I missed the Maia fight (I tuned in during the 3rd round, and saw two guys completely gassed trying to throw arm punches). The Sonnen-Bisping fight was lackluster, and the main event was five rounds of two wrestlers trying to kickbox, with one guy (Davis) so green that he didn't know how to throw punches properly, and that went on for 5 rounds. It is just my opinion (though not mine alone), but the UFC has blown its first two shows on Fox now. People are kidding themselves if they think that if the UFC can't get it's act together Fox won't drop the UFC without batting an eyelash. This isn't MTV2 or ****e, or for that matter FX. With the amount of traffic that the big networks like Fox pull, if you do not perform you are gone.

I agree with you completely that UFC botched the first 2 Fox events big time. But I think the damage that was done hurt UFC more then Fox. UFC had their chance to really hit a bigger market but probably turned more people off to it. Fox on the other hand still gets more viewers on UFC on Fox on a saturday night then a regular program.

UFC though does have a lot of wiggle room with a Saturday night primetime slot seeing as that was never a very big slot for Fox. I think I read somewhere that it was a 42% increase in viewers during the event then Fox's primetime slot a couple weeks earlier. So as long as UFC has some names fighting on UFC on Fox they will get the viewers to stay on Fox.

Although I have no idea how the business end of this thing works so who knows what could happen.