View Full Version : So COULD Lewis have KOed Evander?
!! Anorak 12-30-2004, 05:27 PM Everyone always talks about how he didn't as if it was a missed option he declined on.
Save me looking it up - has Evander ever been KOed? Proper KOed I mean, not falling over shot against Lights Out from a body shot. Hit on the chin, out cold. He seemed to take flush Tyson shots with no trouble at all.
Sir_Jose 12-30-2004, 06:08 PM Everyone always talks about how he didn't as if it was a missed option he declined on.
Save me looking it up - has Evander ever been KOed? Proper KOed I mean, not falling over shot against Lights Out from a body shot. Hit on the chin, out cold. He seemed to take flush Tyson shots with no trouble at all.
Thats a bunch of BS Lewis haters like to throw in. No Holyfield could not have been KO'ed. He got stopped against Bowe, but that was becuase of flat out exaustion.
Holyfield had an all time great chin and heart.
AintGottaClue 12-30-2004, 07:00 PM A prime tyson could KO any body but that dotn count :p Bowe could KO him though foreman knock him around to for a bit... whoever has power and can push it a little extra can KO holyfield
Johnny_Rocket 12-30-2004, 08:19 PM Hell no!!!... Holyfeild had a wicked chin
TheGreat1 12-30-2004, 09:15 PM A prime tyson could KO any body but that dotn count :p Bowe could KO him though foreman knock him around to for a bit... whoever has power and can push it a little extra can KO holyfield
u make this statment like Holyfield has not gotten into the with any and everyone. A prime tyson would have gotten his ass beat just like he did. Holy is older than mike,and has had much tougher fights. so age is not a factor. if George or tyson couldn't do it, no one can.
dansweeney 12-30-2004, 09:23 PM why ask if lewis could kayo evander? they fought twice and he didnt, enough said
fist-of-fury 12-30-2004, 10:51 PM u make this statment like Holyfield has not gotten into the with any and everyone. A prime tyson would have gotten his ass beat just like he did. Holy is older than mike,and has had much tougher fights. so age is not a factor. if George or tyson couldn't do it, no one can.
Right. If Foreman or Tyson can't, no one else can, including Lennox!
Keleneki 12-30-2004, 11:38 PM No way could Lewis have KOed Holyfield.
It only the best can TKO Holyfield: Bowe and.......Toney (Flame away! ;) :D :D )
no way, at that time evander was way too stong, and the second fight was truely Holyfield's last salvo.
AintGottaClue 12-31-2004, 10:23 AM u make this statment like Holyfield has not gotten into the with any and everyone. A prime tyson would have gotten his ass beat just like he did. Holy is older than mike,and has had much tougher fights. so age is not a factor. if George or tyson couldn't do it, no one can.
u must be dreaming mike was finished since he buster fight a tyson of which faught spinks and others would killed hloyfield so would foreman at his younger age but that wasnt the question and in there primes dont count :p No lewis could not KO holyfield cause holyfield has the wicked chin adn Lewis's power is overrated
drag0n_ 12-31-2004, 11:24 AM They fought twice, doesn't this answer the question?
!! Anorak 12-31-2004, 01:23 PM why ask if lewis could kayo evander? they fought twice and he didnt, enough saidDid you actually READ this thread or did you just drop your pants to speak beforehand?
!! Anorak 12-31-2004, 01:25 PM They fought twice, doesn't this answer the question?Someone else.
The common verdict is that Lennox held back... the old chess player, remember? It's been repeated countless times, so many I thought people may have heard it. But the pair of you seem content just to talk like a pair of fannies.
paulmmv 12-31-2004, 02:51 PM the only one who really knocked holyfield out was riddick bowe on there third fight
tri4ben2 12-31-2004, 06:19 PM To answer the original question, I don't think that Bowe, Lewis, or anyone else could KO a prime (or even now) Holy in a boxing match so badly that Holy would not be conscious. I am thinking like Mesi- TOS or Peter- Williams. With Holyfeild, not going to happen.
If you tied Hold to the corner and let Bowe, Lewis, Tyson, or Tue wail away for 12 rounds with no fear of Holy fighting back, then you have to realistically think that Holy is a human with cerebral fluid around his brain. A non stop barrage of punches has to eventually force him to blackout.
Also, if you look at it from a physics perspective, suppose Lewis and Bowe hit with 100 N/M^2 of force and Tua and Tyson hit with 120 N/M^2 of force, and none of them could knock him out, then suppose an astroid came from outer space and collided with Holyfeild's cranium in just the right spot with 1,000,000 N/M^2 of force..... I rest my case.
dodge 12-31-2004, 07:21 PM The Lion Lacked the power. He didn't ko The Warrior.
ispayder 12-31-2004, 07:56 PM The simple answer is that Lewis did not KO Holyfield. Let's make it complicated. Lewis can KO Holyfield, alright. But this is boxing and they are fighting and the ref said "Protect yourself at all times" so Holyfield will not just stand in front of Lewis sticking his chin out just to test if Lewis can knock him out. Since the question is hypothetical, the answer would be: Maybe!
drag0n_ 12-31-2004, 09:03 PM Someone else.
The common verdict is that Lennox held back... the old chess player, remember? It's been repeated countless times, so many I thought people may have heard it. But the pair of you seem content just to talk like a pair of fannies.
Lennox fought his fight TWICE... If he had to hold back to win, thats what he had to do, and he did...
The way you say "Could he have KO'd Holy?" Of course he could retard. If Holyfield just stood there hands down and said to Lewis "Gimme what you got *****" he would obviously end up on the floor. We're talking about Heavywights here.
But if your talking about in an offical boxing match? No he couldn't, and this has been proven.
ispayder 12-31-2004, 10:03 PM Lennox fought his fight TWICE... If he had to hold back to win, thats what he had to do, and he did...
The way you say "Could he have KO'd Holy?" Of course he could retard. If Holyfield just stood there hands down and said to Lewis "Gimme what you got *****" he would obviously end up on the floor. We're talking about Heavywights here.
But if your talking about in an offical boxing match? No he couldn't, and this has been proven.
Exactly! That's what I mean.
!! Anorak 01-01-2005, 09:16 AM Lennox fought his fight TWICE... If he had to hold back to win, thats what he had to do, and he did...
The way you say "Could he have KO'd Holy?" Of course he could retard. If Holyfield just stood there hands down and said to Lewis "Gimme what you got *****" he would obviously end up on the floor. We're talking about Heavywights here.
But if your talking about in an offical boxing match? No he couldn't, and this has been proven.Sorry Dragon, why am I the retard when you're the ****-sucking moron on this thread?
Get this straight: mocking people with learning difficulties is NOT an acceptable form of insult and only reflects badly on yourself.
I will repeat for the third and final time: the common conception (I haven't seen the fights, hence why I'm asking) is that the opportunity was READILY AVAILABLE to Lewis but he didn't take it when it was there.
So the question I'm asking is WAS the opportunity there, ie. was Holy in serious trouble and ready to go and Lewis shyed away and left it to the judges or is this a phallacy?
I'm not asking about hypothetical situations I'm asking about A CLEARLY REFERRED TO REAL SITUATION THAT OCCURED IN THE FIRST FIGHT ACCORDING TO SOME. DID THIS SITUATION ACTUALLY PRESENT ITSELF, YES OR NO?!!!?
Do you see what I'm saying? I mean, call me a retard by all means, but you're the one that hasn't understood a perfectly sensible question.
Answering "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh... no he cudnt cos he didnt and they fort twice and now i need to jerk off" is NOT an answer that relates in any way shape or form to this thread. If you can't understand that then sorry... but you're as thick as pig ****. This goes for both of you monkeys.
theironone 01-01-2005, 02:25 PM Anorak chill the **** out.
Lewis had the chance (sort of) a couple of times in their first fight, the 5th (i think), he caught holy with a sneaky right hand, it looked nothing but it clearly registered and it looked like lenny held back, maybe anticipating a tear up if he went for the finish, personally i think if he had gone in at that moment for the kill he would of maybe got a couple of good punches off but holy would of countered or weathered (like always) and given back enough pain to make lewis revert back to the chess man, so to answer your, oh so obvious ;), question i'd say no he was not capable in their matches of koing the man who had the best chin in a heavy for generations
onikami 01-01-2005, 03:27 PM Ladies, Ladies, calm down. :D
!! Anorak 01-01-2005, 04:11 PM Anorak chill the **** out.
Lewis had the chance (sort of) a couple of times in their first fight, the 5th (i think), he caught holy with a sneaky right hand, it looked nothing but it clearly registered and it looked like lenny held back, maybe anticipating a tear up if he went for the finish, personally i think if he had gone in at that moment for the kill he would of maybe got a couple of good punches off but holy would of countered or weathered (like always) and given back enough pain to make lewis revert back to the chess man, so to answer your, oh so obvious ;), question i'd say no he was not capable in their matches of koing the man who had the best chin in a heavy for generationsThanks Iron One (Though it's Scrap now) that's the answer I was after.
I don't like to get heated but my chin was being tested - a jab was called for.
drag0n_ 01-01-2005, 04:43 PM Sorry Dragon, why am I the retard when you're the ****-sucking moron on this thread?
Your a retard because your the one who made this ridiculous thread. Instead of debating it and not accepting peoples opinions. How about WATCHING the fights for yourself???!!
but you're the one that hasn't understood a perfectly sensible question.
Why haven't i? I gave my opinions which i thought were easy enough to understand-
Lewis did not KO Evander in their fights
Lewis could have KO'd Evander if he put his arms down and said "Gimme what you got *****"
Answering "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh... no he cudnt cos he didnt and they fort twice and now i need to jerk off" is NOT an answer that relates in any way shape or form to this thread .
Dunno what your getting at here... I did not say those words so stop trying to make up porky pies :)
!! Anorak 01-01-2005, 04:55 PM I might stop this now... you're clearly too thick to understand basic points.
drag0n_ 01-01-2005, 05:11 PM I might stop this now...
I don't like to get heated but my chin was being tested - a jab was called for.
Haha, are we in some type of fight in your head? You gonna KO me?!
Just a friendly debate dude, not a fight just chill out :) It's the internet forum...
Shall we just agree to disagree?
!! Anorak 01-01-2005, 05:25 PM Yeah, we'll have to, but I still don't think you've got what I was asking in the first place...
WidowTaker40 01-01-2005, 05:27 PM Bowe knocked Holyfield down and recently so did Toney, not that this version of Holyfield compares to the that fought Lewis, so I think Lewis would have knocked out Holy with ease had he landed that right more often. Holy knows how to fight tall fighters and managed to elude the big fights just like he did when he fought bowe, though he did get caught in the second fight, which is why he got knocked out.
Floydmayweather 01-03-2005, 12:51 AM A prime holyfield would not get Koed by lewis but old man holyfield is a sitting duck.
whdempsey 01-03-2005, 07:28 AM Everyone always talks about how he didn't as if it was a missed option he declined on.
Save me looking it up - has Evander ever been KOed? Proper KOed I mean, not falling over shot against Lights Out from a body shot. Hit on the chin, out cold. He seemed to take flush Tyson shots with no trouble at all.
No. He was stopped against Riddick Bowe and James Toney, but he was never knocked out. Lewis could not have knocked him out either.
TheFairPole 01-03-2005, 09:26 AM To answer the original question, I don't think that Bowe, Lewis, or anyone else could KO a prime (or even now) Holy in a boxing match so badly that Holy would not be conscious. I am thinking like Mesi- TOS or Peter- Williams. With Holyfeild, not going to happen.
If you tied Hold to the corner and let Bowe, Lewis, Tyson, or Tue wail away for 12 rounds with no fear of Holy fighting back, then you have to realistically think that Holy is a human with cerebral fluid around his brain. A non stop barrage of punches has to eventually force him to blackout.
Also, if you look at it from a physics perspective, suppose Lewis and Bowe hit with 100 N/M^2 of force and Tua and Tyson hit with 120 N/M^2 of force, and none of them could knock him out, then suppose an astroid came from outer space and collided with Holyfeild's cranium in just the right spot with 1,000,000 N/M^2 of force..... I rest my case.
The asteroid would have been stopped after the collision due to the Hemotoma it would recieve! :D
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