Pacquiao, in my opinion, is capable of knocking out Marques in the first round. Remember their first meeting, Pacquiao knocked Marquez three times in the first round, then Pacquiao went to the nose and broke Marquez' nose. But then he probably hurt his left hand and couldn't throw his punches with passion.
This time around he can finish him off. Especially now he just got off from the fight with a Thai fighter unhurt. Plus He'll have more time to really polish what he started in training for the Thai guy. He'll be in top condition with more passion to finish Marquez in the first round or second. He will reign in 2005. :D

This is just my humblest opinion. what is yours? :eek:

i disagree. marquez just thought it could go toe to toe with pac and realized that he couldnt. after that he fought smart and got back into the fight. had marquez fought like that from rd 1 he would've won the fight. bad socks my ass...

i disagree. marquez just thought it could go toe to toe with pac and realized that he couldnt. after that he fought smart and got back into the fight. had marquez fought like that from rd 1 he would've won the fight. bad socks my ass...
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so you just admitted that if Marquez went toe to toe, Marquez would lose to Pacquiao. No further question, your honor. :eek:

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so you just admitted that if Marquez went toe to toe, Marquez would lose to Pacquiao. No further question, your honor. :eek:


That's what PAC will do on the rematch...pressure pressure pressure. JMM can't do anything about it....he's a counterpuncher.

I've got a feeling that this is going to boil up into a great tear-up.

Marquez tasted Pacman's power, he's fully aware of the concussive blows he could be facing if he doesn't back Manny up with power of his own.

My head tells me Marquez will box and move, but I just feel that deep down he knows that's a 50/50 fight plan. I see fireworks baby, and Manny on the deck :D

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so you just admitted that if Marquez went toe to toe, Marquez would lose to Pacquiao. No further question, your honor. :eek:

Every boxer's strengths do not include trading shots. I don't imagine Marquez will fight round one in the rematch like he did in the first fight. Just a wild guess...

That's what PAC will do on the rematch...pressure pressure pressure. JMM can't do anything about it....he's a counterpuncher.


you do know a counterpuncher wants nothing more than his man to come forward and pressure right?

Im just saying.

you do know a counterpuncher wants nothing more than his man to come forward and pressure right?

Im just saying.


My point exactly. :D

I have a feeling Marquez`s heart and will is the difference. I remember Pac mans loses to Torrecampo and Singsurat ( don`t we all LOL, yeah i know, Pac is a sucker for right hand ). But the thing is, these fighters weren`t special. They believed in themselves and wanted it far more than Manny. Thats why they won. Marquez has the whole of mexico behind him ( and alot of the USA ). Lets hope the mexican uses the formula to beat Manny, left hook to the body, fient a hook upstairs and drill with the right hand. Can`t fail. That`ll keep him off and Marquez is the better boxer. I prey that Marquez pulls it off, then look forward to Barerra Vs Marquez in the fall!

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so you just admitted that if Marquez went toe to toe, Marquez would lose to Pacquiao. No further question, your honor. :eek:


yea thats exactly what i saying lol thats y marquez wont fight any rd how he fought rd1. and it doesnt make sense marquez cant handle pressure. he wants pac to get reckless. pac was applying pressure the whole fight..

look forward to Barerra Vs Marquez in the fall!


Wud love to see that too!!

yea thats exactly what i saying lol thats y marquez wont fight any rd how he fought rd1. and it doesnt make sense marquez cant handle pressure. he wants pac to get reckless. pac was applying pressure the whole fight..
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Yes, Pac got reckless a little bit after the 2nd round. But do you think Pac does not know that. mmmmmm, what if, what if Pac does a reverse psychology on marquez. Pac knows Marquez is waiting for him to apply pressure so he gets reckless. What if he turns the table and who knows what Manny will do. Secret. he he. :eek:

That would mean Pac would box more and that would be foolish as Marquez is a much better controlled boxer. Marquez will have to win like ten rds convincingly because HBO will not let Pac man lose a cloe one. I would love to see Pac man sparked out, you never know in boxing!

If Pacman is a real P4P fighter he will win the rematch easily by learning from his mistakes.

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Yes, Pac got reckless a little bit after the 2nd round. But do you think Pac does not know that. mmmmmm, what if, what if Pac does a reverse psychology on marquez. Pac knows Marquez is waiting for him to apply pressure so he gets reckless. What if he turns the table and who knows what Manny will do. Secret. he he. :eek:

what else can he do? Pressure is his game. he cant box with marquez so there is no secret there.

what else can he do? Pressure is his game. he cant box with marquez so there is no secret there.

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If you would like to, you can watch the Pacman-MarquezI again, and on the time 1:48 of the seventh round, Pacquiao did something different there. There's the other side of pacquiao, if he is not coming forward. :rolleyes:

In the first round of their first meeting, PacMan continued to hit Marquez flush after having him down three times. If Pacs "power" couldn't KO Marquez at that point, Pac will never do it.

Marquez is one mentally tough guy and he had enough skills to reach a draw in a fight that was Pac's to loss (after Round #1). Pac won't see the same Marquez in Fight #2 because Marquez can adjust, unlike the one-dimensional PacMan.

Pac will bring the same style that he brought to Fight #1 and will pay dearly. I predict Marquez by BRUTAL left hook. That's right, a single shot to Pacs' exposed chin.

If Marquez is so technically sound, he had 11 rounds to score a knockout or even a knockdown on Pacman. But he couldn't.

Marquez will still be the same counterpunching boxer, but this time he'll be running around the ring more than what he did last time. He tasted the power of Pacquiao and its tattooed on his nose. There's no better reminder than that.

Marquez will win if Pacman gets tired in chasing him. Thats why Marquez is running up and down in that crazy mountain.

Pacman wins if he breaks that nose again. The first round is the best round to score a TKO against Marquez coz Pacman can still chase him in this round. Pacquiao doesn't have the stamina of Marquez.

Pacquiao, in my opinion, is capable of knocking out Marques in the first round. Remember their first meeting, Pacquiao knocked Marquez three times in the first round, then Pacquiao went to the nose and broke Marquez' nose. But then he probably hurt his left hand and couldn't throw his punches with passion.
This time around he can finish him off. Especially now he just got off from the fight with a Thai fighter unhurt. Plus He'll have more time to really polish what he started in training for the Thai guy. He'll be in top condition with more passion to finish Marquez in the first round or second. He will reign in 2005. :D

This is just my humblest opinion. what is yours? :eek:

No, dont see Marquez letting it come to that. He went down and continued to fight with the broken nose, but never got ko'ed. Then he came back to outbox Manny almost every round after that. I just dont see JMM simply STANDING there, allowing Manny to deliver that kind of punishment again...this time he will start outboxing him from the start, and it wouldnt surprise me if there were NO knockdowns at all next time around.

If he comes like the first fight in the first rounds he can.

marquez is a better boxer than pac.......but pac is a stronger and harder puncher than marquez........it would be stupid for marquez to trade with pac when he can just out box him.......look at all the people that try to trade with trinidad.......it would be stupid to try to trade with him......u have to outbox him

I think this fight will be completely different from the 1st. More of a tactical battle. Roach won't allow Pac to fight the same way he did in the 1st. JMM fought a helluva fight but I don't think he could do that again. In his last fight he looked very cautious & didn't like the pressure Salida put on him in the last few rounds. If he reacts the same way, he gets KO'ed. He got caught with alot of punches & if Pac lands any similar shots he's getting stretched.

ya ofcourse hes capable of koing marquez in 1rd
but i dont think he'll be able to do it
he has the power to do it
but i dot think he has the skill to land it when marquez isnt letting him
in the 1st fights opening round
manny showed him he cant afford to just take shots from him
and after the 1st rd
his left hand wasnt such a big deal

i disagree. marquez just thought it could go toe to toe with pac and realized that he couldnt. after that he fought smart and got back into the fight. had marquez fought like that from rd 1 he would've won the fight. bad socks my ass...

isn't it that most boxer who is bent winning his fight always sees himself fighting a smart fight but not every one is successful -- the reason they he doesn't know what the other boxer will bring to the table comes fight night. if marquez can adjust well to pac, there's a good chance he can fight a smarter fight than the first one. but pac has the edge in coming out with enough surprises to make jmm think twice and confuse him to fall out of his plan. jmm being a passive counterpuncher will always fight the same style no matter what.

i noticed that a lot of you have so many "had marquez this and had pac that, then marquez could have won" -- the fact is he didn't deliver. and if he had 11 rounds in their first meeting, then why wasn't he able to finish the pacman off. if he didn't win the first time despite "figuring out" pacman, there is a slim chance he could do it next time. jmm will face a much better pacman -- and this time he will taste the canvass again and won't stand up.

ya ofcourse hes capable of koing marquez in 1rd
but i dont think he'll be able to do it
he has the power to do it
but i dot think he has the skill to land it when marquez isnt letting him
in the 1st fights opening round
manny showed him he cant afford to just take shots from him
and after the 1st rd
his left hand wasnt such a big deal

without the skill -- pacman must be the luckiest fighter on earth to win 37 out of 39 fights and became a two-time world champion (plus the ring belt), and masterfully beat marco antonio barrera to the ground...good guess, i suppose!

I think we will see Manny and Marquez in good shape for this fight. Manny will bring his same gameplan because god forbid he tries to outbox JMM. I believe the fireworks of the first fight won't resurface here. Marquez knows he can take Manny's best stuff...Manny knows that he can't let Marquez have time to set up shop. I think Marquez will eek out the UD. Effective aggressiveness from Marquez.

I've got a feeling that this is going to boil up into a great tear-up.

Marquez tasted Pacman's power, he's fully aware of the concussive blows he could be facing if he doesn't back Manny up with power of his own.

My head tells me Marquez will box and move, but I just feel that deep down he knows that's a 50/50 fight plan. I see fireworks baby, and Manny on the deck :D

jmm thrives in beating his opponent methodically, slower but surely -- that is if pac is one of the previous opponents. the bad news for you guys is -- pacquiao is helluva lot better than them!

jmm didn't knock knock down manny in 11 rounds, i don't see that happening in 11 + 1 round, that is if those left straight didn't find their marks on jmm's face. but pac is an accurate puncher and i'm pretty sure jmm is going down for good.

I have a feeling Marquez`s heart and will is the difference. I remember Pac mans loses to Torrecampo and Singsurat ( don`t we all LOL, yeah i know, Pac is a sucker for right hand ). But the thing is, these fighters weren`t special. They believed in themselves and wanted it far more than Manny. Thats why they won. Marquez has the whole of mexico behind him ( and alot of the USA ). Lets hope the mexican uses the formula to beat Manny, left hook to the body, fient a hook upstairs and drill with the right hand. Can`t fail. That`ll keep him off and Marquez is the better boxer. I prey that Marquez pulls it off, then look forward to Barerra Vs Marquez in the fall!

and manny will have all the filipinos behind his every punch. a lot of usa on jmm - i highly doubt it. at any rate it would be another exciting game for us to behold. i haven't heard marco called out jmm's name. pac vs. erik in july -- now that's something.

what else can he do? Pressure is his game. he cant box with marquez so there is no secret there.

isn't ledwaba a counterpuncher too...look at what happened to him. if marquez thinks like you do...he will find himself in the waterhole just like ledwaba.

In the first round of their first meeting, PacMan continued to hit Marquez flush after having him down three times. If Pacs "power" couldn't KO Marquez at that point, Pac will never do it.

Marquez is one mentally tough guy and he had enough skills to reach a draw in a fight that was Pac's to loss (after Round #1). Pac won't see the same Marquez in Fight #2 because Marquez can adjust, unlike the one-dimensional PacMan.

Pac will bring the same style that he brought to Fight #1 and will pay dearly. I predict Marquez by BRUTAL left hook. That's right, a single shot to Pacs' exposed chin.

that punch just grazed jmm's shoulder...looked more like a shove to me. if there was another minute of two in that first round...i believe jmm would've been koed -- the guy got lucky.

marquez wouldn't see the same pac in fight#1 too. he had 11 rounds to land that left hook but nada, aiming for something is nowhere close to executing. on the other hand, it's marquez that is likely to bring the same style.

If Marquez is so technically sound, he had 11 rounds to score a knockout or even a knockdown on Pacman. But he couldn't.

Marquez will still be the same counterpunching boxer, but this time he'll be running around the ring more than what he did last time. He tasted the power of Pacquiao and its tattooed on his nose. There's no better reminder than that.

Marquez will win if Pacman gets tired in chasing him. Thats why Marquez is running up and down in that crazy mountain.

Pacman wins if he breaks that nose again. The first round is the best round to score a TKO against Marquez coz Pacman can still chase him in this round. Pacquiao doesn't have the stamina of Marquez.

i guess you didn't see mab-pac 1. it was already 12th round and pac still looked like a fresh potato. jmm wouldn't go crazy on top of toluca if he doesn't know that pac doesn't have the stamina. on the other hand, he's the one playing catch up to equal or even surpassed pac's stamina.

I think this fight will be completely different from the 1st. More of a tactical battle. Roach won't allow Pac to fight the same way he did in the 1st. JMM fought a helluva fight but I don't think he could do that again. In his last fight he looked very cautious & didn't like the pressure Salida put on him in the last few rounds. If he reacts the same way, he gets KO'ed. He got caught with alot of punches & if Pac lands any similar shots he's getting stretched.

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I think we will see Manny and Marquez in good shape for this fight. Manny will bring his same gameplan because god forbid he tries to outbox JMM. I believe the fireworks of the first fight won't resurface here. Marquez knows he can take Manny's best stuff...Manny knows that he can't let Marquez have time to set up shop. I think Marquez will eek out the UD. Effective aggressiveness from Marquez.

1. Seeing Marquez and Manny in good shape for this fight is the only thing correct here.

2. Manny will not bring the same game plan, he has a lot of new and devastating weapons in his arsenal and is hell bent in using all of it against JMM.

3. Marquez cannot take Manny's good shots!

4. JMM will not have the time to set up shop.

5. Manny by TKO by mid rounds.

6. JMM got burned out from too much training ;) .

Now, now, before I hear nasty replies - I don't think JMM signed the contract yet.

1. Seeing Marquez and Manny in good shape for this fight is the only thing correct here.

2. Manny will not bring the same game plan, he has a lot of new and devastating weapons in his arsenal and is hell bent in using all of it against JMM.

3. Marquez cannot take Manny's good shots!

4. JMM will not have the time to set up shop.

5. Manny by TKO by mid rounds.

6. JMM got burned out from too much training ;) .

Now, now, before I hear nasty replies - I don't think JMM signed the contract yet.

"HE MUST BE A CHICKEN GAY!" -- LOL :D

1. Seeing Marquez and Manny in good shape for this fight is the only thing correct here.

2. Manny will not bring the same game plan, he has a lot of new and devastating weapons in his arsenal and is hell bent in using all of it against JMM.

3. Marquez cannot take Manny's good shots!

4. JMM will not have the time to set up shop.

5. Manny by TKO by mid rounds.

6. JMM got burned out from too much training ;) .

Now, now, before I hear nasty replies - I don't think JMM signed the contract yet.

What are his new devastating weapons? Can you actually tell me what he's going to do?

Marquez seemed to take three of his good shots in the first round of their first fight...wouldn't you concur?

I never said Marquez will have time to set up his gameplan. I said Manny knows he can't let him do it...he's going to have to apply constant pressure to stay away from that dull, jogging pace that Marquez likes. But Marquez is a counter puncher...and he likes the pressure.

Manny by TKO in the middle rounds is your opinion. I have no beef with that.

When did you talk to Marquez to find out that his training burned him out? Oh, that's right, you didn't. How do you go from saying Marquez and Manny will be in good shape to saying Marquez will be burned out from too much training. Stop contradicting yourself.

"HE MUST BE A CHICKEN GAY!" -- LOL :D


The 3 M's are all chiken gays BWAHAHAHHAHA. :)

What are his new devastating weapons? Can you actually tell me what he's going to do?

Marquez seemed to take three of his good shots in the first round of their first fight...wouldn't you concur?

I never said Marquez will have time to set up his gameplan. I said Manny knows he can't let him do it...he's going to have to apply constant pressure to stay away from that dull, jogging pace that Marquez likes. But Marquez is a counter puncher...and he likes the pressure.

Manny by TKO in the middle rounds is your opinion. I have no beef with that.

When did you talk to Marquez to find out that his training burned him out? Oh, that's right, you didn't. How do you go from saying Marquez and Manny will be in good shape to saying Marquez will be burned out from too much training. Stop contradicting yourself.
Now, more than ever, Pacman's capable of repeating history - KO'ing JMM in the opening round! The first time, JMM only had Pacman's left to avoid. Now Pacman has both hands. JMM will never know what hits him.

can't wait anymore to see the fight ...

to much talk just keeps me hungrier to see the fight...

i bet all of you guys are waiting for fireworks, he he he...

isn't it that most boxer who is bent winning his fight always sees himself fighting a smart fight but not every one is successful -- the reason they he doesn't know what the other boxer will bring to the table comes fight night. if marquez can adjust well to pac, there's a good chance he can fight a smarter fight than the first one. but pac has the edge in coming out with enough surprises to make jmm think twice and confuse him to fall out of his plan. jmm being a passive counterpuncher will always fight the same style no matter what.

i noticed that a lot of you have so many "had marquez this and had pac that, then marquez could have won" -- the fact is he didn't deliver. and if he had 11 rounds in their first meeting, then why wasn't he able to finish the pacman off. if he didn't win the first time despite "figuring out" pacman, there is a slim chance he could do it next time. jmm will face a much better pacman -- and this time he will taste the canvass again and won't stand up.


why is it that all u pac nuthuggers act like hes superman?? I say that had marquez fought all 12 rds smart he would've won becuase its the truth. Im not saying thats how the 2nd fight will be. get off his nuts already. and when did i ever say marquez should have finished him off? if anything pac HAD the chance to finish him but he couldnt!! why?? becuz marquez fought smarter. thats all im saying. stop feeling so offended cuz people favor marquez over pac. you cant honestly tell me u think pac won more than 4 of those last 11 rds..

isn't ledwaba a counterpuncher too...look at what happened to him. if marquez thinks like you do...he will find himself in the waterhole just like ledwaba.


ledwaba and marquez are two different people. why do u feel the need to compare them. plus isnt ledwaba's nickname hands of stone?? marquez is simply a boxer and not a slugger at any level.

i dont understand y u think marquez is going to be a piece of cake. AFTER the 3 knockdowns he still got hit with the same left hand more than.. 5 times and didnt go down. u cant seriously tell me that pac will land the same way he did b4.. 2 hands my ass. pac still depends on his left. his right is just like anyone else's right so it wont discourage marquez one bit. he will still watch the left and thats all there is to it.

If Marquez is so technically sound, he had 11 rounds to score a knockout or even a knockdown on Pacman. But he couldn't.

Marquez will still be the same counterpunching boxer, but this time he'll be running around the ring more than what he did last time. He tasted the power of Pacquiao and its tattooed on his nose. There's no better reminder than that.

Marquez will win if Pacman gets tired in chasing him. Thats why Marquez is running up and down in that crazy mountain.

Pacman wins if he breaks that nose again. The first round is the best round to score a TKO against Marquez coz Pacman can still chase him in this round. Pacquiao doesn't have the stamina of Marquez.
aha..i got your point..yeah, that's why marquez is running like hell in the carazy mountain, for him to have more stamina in running when he meets manny..hehe..LOL :D

Pacman was exposed as the one demonsional fighter that he is, all he has is the straight left hand. JMM will probably TKO Pacman in the rematch.

Pacman was exposed as the one demonsional fighter that he is, all he has is the straight left hand. JMM will probably TKO Pacman in the rematch.

hey man, you sure of what you are sayin'?? marquez knocking out pacman..i doubt it..but if you say marquez winning by a split decision, or UD, well, i may agree on you, but of course with the help of the judges in favor of marquez..hehe..LOL

hey man, you sure of what you are sayin'?? marquez knocking out pacman..i doubt it..but if you say marquez winning by a split decision, or UD, well, i may agree on you, but of course with the help of the judges in favor of marquez..hehe..LOL

It was almost shocking how fast Marquez figured Pacman out, Pac was strickly head hunting the rest of the night, he appeared almost sluggish after round 1. Pacquiao has been stopped in the past by lesser fighters, I'm sure this time around JMM will leave little doubt about who is the man at 126lbs.

It was almost shocking how fast Marquez figured Pacman out, Pac was strickly head hunting the rest of the night, he appeared almost sluggish after round 1. Pacquiao has been stopped in the past by lesser fighters, I'm sure this time around JMM will leave little doubt about who is the man at 126lbs.

pacquiao was only knocked out 3 times, the 2 ones a loss. the first knock out of his career was due to his inexperience, he was winning the fighr, but he got careless...the second one, he was severely dehydrated to make the weight limit, and he lost that one too. the third one, he was just unprepared for that fight, because of his night time activities and playing billiards, but he came back to win that fight..LOL

What are his new devastating weapons? Can you actually tell me what he's going to do?

Marquez seemed to take three of his good shots in the first round of their first fight...wouldn't you concur?

I never said Marquez will have time to set up his gameplan. I said Manny knows he can't let him do it...he's going to have to apply constant pressure to stay away from that dull, jogging pace that Marquez likes. But Marquez is a counter puncher...and he likes the pressure.

Manny by TKO in the middle rounds is your opinion. I have no beef with that.

When did you talk to Marquez to find out that his training burned him out? Oh, that's right, you didn't. How do you go from saying Marquez and Manny will be in good shape to saying Marquez will be burned out from too much training. Stop contradicting yourself.

1. Manny's new (secret)weapons - we will all see it very soon.

2. He gets knocked down after taking good shots. I don't know if taking care means getting knocked down (even if you get up everytime)

3. Pressure - This is one thing we will surely see. Pacman will pressure JMM from the opening bell.

4. Good, it is just my humble opinion.

5. JMM gets burned out - it is a JOKE and you know it.

Like I said JMM haven't signed the contract yet. Happy New Year!

I'm sure this time around JMM will leave little doubt about who is the man at 126lbs.Or vice versa... ;)

A counter-puncher is by definition one who does not initiate action, but merely replies to whatever action his opponent initiates. Because of that a counter puncher has, by dictate of common sense, a bigger chance of being HIT FIRST.

Now, what happens if a counter-puncher gets hit by a big punch coming from a big hitter? Would he have the chance to counter-punch?

Counter-punching is a good weapon. But a fighter who lives and dies by it, may have some think coming.

A counter-puncher is by definition one who does not initiate action, but merely replies to whatever action his opponent initiates. Because of that a counter puncher has, by dictate of common sense, a bigger chance of being HIT FIRST.

Now, what happens if a counter-puncher gets hit by a big punch coming from a big hitter? Would he have the chance to counter-punch?

Counter-punching is a good weapon. But a fighter who lives and dies by it, may have some think coming.
Well said!! And that makes counter-punchers most boring indeed.

Well said!! And that makes counter-punchers most boring indeed.Thanks pal! Here's for a good year ahead! :)

Thanks pal! Here's for a good year ahead! :)
Happy New Year, too!! And here's looking forward to a more explosive year in boxing!! (and I don't mean car bombs and suicide bombings!!!)

Happy New Year, too!! And here's looking forward to a more explosive year in boxing!! (and I don't mean car bombs and suicide bombings!!!)I'm looking the same way pal! :D

why is it that all u pac nuthuggers act like hes superman?? I say that had marquez fought all 12 rds smart he would've won becuase its the truth. Im not saying thats how the 2nd fight will be. get off his nuts already. and when did i ever say marquez should have finished him off? if anything pac HAD the chance to finish him but he couldnt!! why?? becuz marquez fought smarter. thats all im saying. stop feeling so offended cuz people favor marquez over pac. you cant honestly tell me u think pac won more than 4 of those last 11 rds..

hey marquez nuthugger, did i say that pac is superman, you should be the one getting off juan's dick. all i'm saying is if he was really smart figuring out pac after the round 1, he should have won but didn't. i'm not feeling offended, it just happened that i'm on the other side of the fence seeing the whole things differently from your side. in fact i honestly think pac clearly won rounds 1,2,9,10 & 12.

It was almost shocking how fast Marquez figured Pacman out, Pac was strickly head hunting the rest of the night, he appeared almost sluggish after round 1. Pacquiao has been stopped in the past by lesser fighters, I'm sure this time around JMM will leave little doubt about who is the man at 126lbs.

Pacquiao admitted in an interview that HE LOST his power after the 1st round. (see KO magazine where he was the cover). He says that a minimumweight had more power than him at that time. YOU WONT HEAR THIS EXCUSE MUCH FROM PACMAN FANS. (no one believe pacfans anyway :D )!! We are embarrased to give him that excuse but most of us believe this. THAT'S WHY YOU THOUGHT JMM FIGURED HIM OUT.

Anyway, we will see on Feb. 26 if Pacman was just pulling our leg and making too many reasons for not Knocking JMM out.

ledwaba and marquez are two different people. why do u feel the need to compare them. plus isnt ledwaba's nickname hands of stone?? marquez is simply a boxer and not a slugger at any level.

because they're both counterpunchers imho and people thought the same way you do before the fight...until they got the shock of their life.

i dont understand y u think marquez is going to be a piece of cake. AFTER the 3 knockdowns he still got hit with the same left hand more than.. 5 times and didnt go down. u cant seriously tell me that pac will land the same way he did b4.. 2 hands my ass. pac still depends on his left. his right is just like anyone else's right so it wont discourage marquez one bit. he will still watch the left and thats all there is to it.

i didn't say that, in fact i think this is gonna be a close fight even so if it goes to the score cards. nah, nobody thinks that pac will land the same he did -- it was a remote possibility. all the pacfans are saying is thos left straights will find those marks. you obviously doesn't know a lot about pac. have you seen most of his fights to say that he wouldn't connect with his left, i don't think so.

isn't it that most boxer who is bent winning his fight always sees himself fighting a smart fight but not every one is successful -- the reason they he doesn't know what the other boxer will bring to the table comes fight night. if marquez can adjust well to pac, there's a good chance he can fight a smarter fight than the first one. but pac has the edge in coming out with enough surprises to make jmm think twice and confuse him to fall out of his plan. jmm being a passive counterpuncher will always fight the same style no matter what.

i noticed that a lot of you have so many "had marquez this and had pac that, then marquez could have won" -- the fact is he didn't deliver. and if he had 11 rounds in their first meeting, then why wasn't he able to finish the pacman off. if he didn't win the first time despite "figuring out" pacman, there is a slim chance he could do it next time. jmm will face a much better pacman -- and this time he will taste the canvass again and won't stand up.

I have to disagree with some of this. JMM made the proper adjustments in the first fight, and I fully believe that when the time comes, he will do so again and be able to handle all these "surprises" you say Manny has in store for him. I think that while getting worked up about Manny (which since youre a big fan, thats understandable ;) ) that you may be underestimating JMM, and not giving him his credit. He is an excellent boxer, counter puncher, and all around technician. I know that Manny has alot of power, and maybe he's worked towards 'mixing' his game up some, but he really did seem very one dimensional to me and that is one thing that JMM is NOT! I posted before that if Manny would work on improving his technique, and not have to rely on his power so much, he would be a force to reckon with. But, I wont discredit what JMM is fully capable of doing either; and thats not only withstanding mannys power, but winning a clear decision. :)
It's being said that JMM wasnt able to finish Manny off; well, that isnt what he does...he boxes, and quite well. And, Manny wasnt able to finish him off either, and I dont really believe all that about broken (or injured) hands, and you gotta admit that the 'too tight' socks is hard to take serious, even as unique an excuse as it is :o

and manny will have all the filipinos behind his every punch. a lot of usa on jmm - i highly doubt it. at any rate it would be another exciting game for us to behold. i haven't heard marco called out jmm's name. pac vs. erik in july -- now that's something.

Not singling you out (you know I love all the pinoys ;) ) but I think that Kimmy is right about alot of American fans being behind JMM. I'm just one of many :)

What are his new devastating weapons? Can you actually tell me what he's going to do?

Marquez seemed to take three of his good shots in the first round of their first fight...wouldn't you concur?

I never said Marquez will have time to set up his gameplan. I said Manny knows he can't let him do it...he's going to have to apply constant pressure to stay away from that dull, jogging pace that Marquez likes. But Marquez is a counter puncher...and he likes the pressure.

Manny by TKO in the middle rounds is your opinion. I have no beef with that.

When did you talk to Marquez to find out that his training burned him out? Oh, that's right, you didn't. How do you go from saying Marquez and Manny will be in good shape to saying Marquez will be burned out from too much training. Stop contradicting yourself.


Good post OG! I dont think anyone can safely ASSUME they know exactly what JMM's gameplan will be. I dont think its right to say that manny has all these changes, etc...and that JMM is basically just going to be there! Some make it sound like he's just gonna stand there, not knowing what to do, with his thumbs up his ass! He's no fool, and he's a damn fine boxer. He made the right adjustments in the first fight, and he will do so in the second...that is just what he does. To imply that he cant outbox Manny is to insult his talent (which is vast) and to pump Manny up too high!

SORRY FOR THE MULITPLE POSTS...JUST CATCHING UP GUYS!!! :o

aha..i got your point..yeah, that's why marquez is running like hell in the carazy mountain, for him to have more stamina in running when he meets manny..hehe..LOL :D

Running?!? It's called "stick and move", or, even better, boxing. Just cause he's not stupid enought to stand toe to toe with him doesnt make him a running coward! Pump Manny up all you like, but you dont have to insult JMM to do it. He is a master at the sweet science, which involves punching and moving out of the way of counters! Nothing cowardly about that...not at all..its called being smart, being a boxer, a good technician. :eek:

Pacquiao, in my opinion, is capable of knocking out Marques in the first round. Remember their first meeting, Pacquiao knocked Marquez three times in the first round, then Pacquiao went to the nose and broke Marquez' nose. But then he probably hurt his left hand and couldn't throw his punches with passion.
This time around he can finish him off. Especially now he just got off from the fight with a Thai fighter unhurt. Plus He'll have more time to really polish what he started in training for the Thai guy. He'll be in top condition with more passion to finish Marquez in the first round or second. He will reign in 2005. :D

This is just my humblest opinion. what is yours? :eek: Tell me something I dont allready know/.....

pacquiao was only knocked out 3 times, the 2 ones a loss. the first knock out of his career was due to his inexperience, he was winning the fighr, but he got careless...the second one, he was severely dehydrated to make the weight limit, and he lost that one too. the third one, he was just unprepared for that fight, because of his night time activities and playing billiards, but he came back to win that fight..LOL

Okay, this is the last post I'm making in a row...but I've posted about 6 times now that every fighters record should look like this: wins-losses-draws-excuses......as in 20-2-0-(2). I respect fighters that claim they got beat cause they were in against a better fighter AT THAT TIME! I agree that in his first fight inexperience had alot to do with it, but injured hands and too tight socks kill me!!!

I have to disagree with some of this. JMM made the proper adjustments in the first fight, and I fully believe that when the time comes, he will do so again and be able to handle all these "surprises" you say Manny has in store for him. I think that while getting worked up about Manny (which since youre a big fan, thats understandable ;) ) that you may be underestimating JMM, and not giving him his credit. He is an excellent boxer, counter puncher, and all around technician. I know that Manny has alot of power, and maybe he's worked towards 'mixing' his game up some, but he really did seem very one dimensional to me and that is one thing that JMM is NOT! I posted before that if Manny would work on improving his technique, and not have to rely on his power so much, he would be a force to reckon with. But, I wont discredit what JMM is fully capable of doing either; and thats not only withstanding mannys power, but winning a clear decision. :)
It's being said that JMM wasnt able to finish Manny off; well, that isnt what he does...he boxes, and quite well. And, Manny wasnt able to finish him off either, and I dont really believe all that about broken (or injured) hands, and you gotta admit that the 'too tight' socks is hard to take serious, even as unique an excuse as it is :o

no tracy, i'm not underestimating jmm. on the other hand i feel it's the jmm fans that are underestimating pac because they think he is one-dimensional and relies solely on his power and speed. i respect their opinion but i just won't sit down and keep silent about my true feeling on the subject matter. i'm a pac fan but i'm no nuthugger. i only reply to the level of their posts - fire with fire.

now about jmm -- i think he is one of the best if not the best counterpuncher(s) in boxing today. that being said, his style is passive and relies on what his opponent will do first. i know that looks amazing to most of the fans including yourself, because when a counterpuncher connects, it's gonna be a clean punch. that's the same reason why i think that if the fight goes to the scorecards, jmm is going to have an edge.

the other side of this is of course he doesn't know where the first punch is coming from and gauging from manny's speed - some of those lethal punches are going to land on jmm's face. that's why i said, manny has the element of surprise.

now on my post that jmm didn't finish manny off -- it was a reply to those who said that jmm will ko manny and send him to the canvass for good. i know that jmm thrives in methodical dissecting and wearing out of his opponents to win fights.

i think the socks fiasco was an awful excuse, but i honestly believe manny is a plain person to tell that scrupulous alibi.

Not singling you out (you know I love all the pinoys ;) ) but I think that Kimmy is right about alot of American fans being behind JMM. I'm just one of many :)

tracy, i know you're a sweet person, but i'm a skeptic unless i see the exact numbers. i also believe that pac will have some support in the usa and even mexico. it's just a plain fact.

no tracy, i'm not underestimating jmm. on the other hand i feel it's the jmm fans that are underestimating pac because they think he is one-dimensional and relies solely on his power and speed. i respect their opinion but i just won't sit down and keep silent about my true feeling on the subject matter. i'm a pac fan but i'm no nuthugger. i only reply to the level of their posts - fire with fire.

now about jmm -- i think he is one of the best if not the best counterpuncher(s) in boxing today. that being said, his style is passive and relies on what his opponent will do first. i know that looks amazing to most of the fans including yourself, because when a counterpuncher connects, it's gonna be a clean punch. that's the same reason why i think that if the fight goes to the scorecards, jmm is going to have an edge.

the other side of this is of course he doesn't know where the first punch is coming from and gauging from manny's speed - some of those lethal punches are going to land on jmm's face. that's why i said, manny has the element of surprise.

now on my post that jmm didn't finish manny off -- it was a reply to those who said that jmm will ko manny and send him to the canvass for good. i know that jmm thrives in methodical dissecting and wearing out of his opponents to win fights.

i think the socks fiasco was an awful excuse, but i honestly believe manny is a plain person to tell that scrupulous alibi.

Not so amazing to me (so dont throw me in there) I actually prefer a slugger to a counter puncher. I also admire a true technician when he's plying his craft...that is what boxing is all about. JMM doesnt ONLY counter either; he boxes, plain and simple. And I still think that if he took what Manny dished out in the first fight, got back up (with a broken nose) repeatedly and then clearly outboxed Manny the remainder of the fight then he can do so again.
And for the record, I NEVER expected or wanted you to keep quiet about your guy...thats what coming to the forum is all about..to express different views, etc. ;)
Thats cool..I totally respect your opinion, cause Mannys fans are amazing in the loyality and devotion. I've always liked JMM cause to me he represents BOXING perfectly! He has some of it all...he's not quite that powerful, and he knows it, so he has compensated for that with skill...natural talent, which he has a butt load of. If he can handle the power (again), and I think he can, then there's just no way that I can see manny outboxing him. And JMM winning a decision wont be cause of bias either...I'm tired of hearing that one too! He can win the decision fairly, and I really think he will ;)

Running?!? It's called "stick and move", or, even better, boxing. Just cause he's not stupid enought to stand toe to toe with him doesnt make him a running coward! Pump Manny up all you like, but you dont have to insult JMM to do it. He is a master at the sweet science, which involves punching and moving out of the way of counters! Nothing cowardly about that...not at all..its called being smart, being a boxer, a good technician. :eek:

tracy, i think it was a joke. :)

tracy, i know you're a sweet person, but i'm a skeptic unless i see the exact numbers. i also believe that pac will have some support in the usa and even mexico. it's just a plain fact.

Of course Manny has an American fan base..I'm just saying that alot of us like JMM too! Not only Mexicans support him, not at all.

tracy, i think it was a joke. :)

God I hope so, cause coward and JMM dont belong in the same sentence! He has guts, and alot of heart, or he wouldnt have continued to fight with his nose in that shape. :eek:

I agree with Tracy.

I really like both JMM and Pacman.

I think JMM-Pacman-2 will be a great battle, and I wish them both luck.

I agree with Tracy.

I really like both JMM and Pacman.

I think JMM-Pacman-2 will be a great battle, and I wish them both luck.

Thank you, cause I'm greatly outnumbered here! :eek: I like them both too (thats why it kills me to hear them put JMM down like that..like he has no chance when he clearly is the better boxer..hands down!). I just like JMM more...and matter of fact, alot of Americans love Mexican fighters...examples are Chavez, DeLaHoya (who played both sides of the nationality fence), Morales, MAB...the list goes on and on, so JMM is no different ;)

Yes, if only JMM could punch stronger Pacman would be in trouble.

JMM has a tremendous, great heart.

He is one of the best Mexican fighters without any doubts.

I think it is a crime to say that JMM is a coward.

Not so amazing to me (so dont throw me in there) I actually prefer a slugger to a counter puncher. I also admire a true technician when he's plying his craft...that is what boxing is all about. JMM doesnt ONLY counter either; he boxes, plain and simple. And I still think that if he took what Manny dished out in the first fight, got back up (with a broken nose) repeatedly and then clearly outboxed Manny the remainder of the fight then he can do so again.
And for the record, I NEVER expected or wanted you to keep quiet about your guy...thats what coming to the forum is all about..to express different views, etc. ;)
Thats cool..I totally respect your opinion, cause Mannys fans are amazing in the loyality and devotion. I've always liked JMM cause to me he represents BOXING perfectly! He has some of it all...he's not quite that powerful, and he knows it, so he has compensated for that with skill...natural talent, which he has a butt load of. If he can handle the power (again), and I think he can, then there's just no way that I can see manny outboxing him. And JMM winning a decision wont be cause of bias either...I'm tired of hearing that one too! He can win the decision fairly, and I really think he will ;)

well said tracy, i apologize for putting the word into your mouth. i totally agree with you that jmm is an excellent boxer/counterpuncher and if you're talking boxing in it's purity, jmm might very well represents the game. however, style makes fight and if a slugger/ko artist keeps on winning using the style he is most successful and atuned too, then i guess the end justifies the means as well. and boxing is not all about boxing either, it's about winning as well.

i just hope the better fighter wins the rematch in february, i know you will be rooting for jmm and i for manny. thanks for your posts - it was worthwhile chatting with you. happy new year once again! :)

well said tracy, i apologize for putting the word into your mouth. i totally agree with you that jmm is an excellent boxer/counterpuncher and if you're talking boxing in it's purity, jmm might very well represents the game. however, style makes fight and if a slugger/ko artist keeps on winning using the style he is most successful and atuned too, then i guess the end justifies the means as well. and boxing is not all about boxing either, it's about winning as well.

i just hope the better fighter wins the rematch in february, i know you will be rooting for jmm and i for manny. thanks for your posts - it was worthwhile chatting with you. happy new year once again! :)

Same to you, of course....I love debating with rational, adults...mutual respect is important while having a conversation, I think! I'll debate with you any day! ;)

I have to disagree with some of this. JMM made the proper adjustments in the first fight, and I fully believe that when the time comes, he will do so again and be able to handle all these "surprises" you say Manny has in store for him. I think that while getting worked up about Manny (which since youre a big fan, thats understandable ;) ) that you may be underestimating JMM, and not giving him his credit. He is an excellent boxer, counter puncher, and all around technician. I know that Manny has alot of power, and maybe he's worked towards 'mixing' his game up some, but he really did seem very one dimensional to me and that is one thing that JMM is NOT! I posted before that if Manny would work on improving his technique, and not have to rely on his power so much, he would be a force to reckon with. But, I wont discredit what JMM is fully capable of doing either; and thats not only withstanding mannys power, but winning a clear decision. :)
It's being said that JMM wasnt able to finish Manny off; well, that isnt what he does...he boxes, and quite well. And, Manny wasnt able to finish him off either, and I dont really believe all that about broken (or injured) hands, and you gotta admit that the 'too tight' socks is hard to take serious, even as unique an excuse as it is :o


good post! i cant explain myself like u do. most pac fans are too thickheaded to get it thru their heads. it gets me angry lol



and no manny didnt win the last fight.. sorry but thats the truth. and also.. how do u lose all of your power after one rd? thats like tyson saying that people r going to be like what? yea right.

sorry i shouldnt say thickheaded.. that was wrong. my bad.

sorry i shouldnt say thickheaded.. that was wrong. my bad.
whos dat in ur sig?
looks like one nice ass shot

thats pac gettin knocked out lol

thats pac gettin knocked out lol
o **** it is huh
lol
i couldnt tell b4
but lookin at it closer now
ya its him

good post! i cant explain myself like u do. most pac fans are too thickheaded to get it thru their heads. it gets me angry lol

and no manny didnt win the last fight.. sorry but thats the truth. and also.. how do u lose all of your power after one rd? thats like tyson saying that people r going to be like what? yea right.

stop whining dude, fans are just like that...just acept the fact and leave it at that.

manny didn't win that fight (thanks to a stupid judge), but he won in my eyes. he was off balance after he hurt his foot -- and no he didn't lost all his powers. he still managed to stand up in those 11 rounds, didn't he? okay..nuff said.

good post! i cant explain myself like u do. most pac fans are too thickheaded to get it thru their heads. it gets me angry lol



and no manny didnt win the last fight.. sorry but thats the truth. and also.. how do u lose all of your power after one rd? thats like tyson saying that people r going to be like what? yea right.


Thanks! Just chalk it up to being mouthy :D I dont get too angry with any of them til they start to put JMM DOWN in order to pump Manny UP! Theyre both good, with their own qualities, so putting one down to make the other look better isnt necessary. ;)

excuses for everything. i agree with the judge that had it even but not for the judges who had is 110 - 115, 115 - 110. that was just bad. im sorry but theres no way manny won the fight even with the knockdowns. he got exposed in that fight and he better have learned some new things or else its going to be worse. better pray your boy isnt playin pool all night again.

pacquaio better not go out and try to knockout jmm or he will counter pac all night.

excuses for everything. i agree with the judge that had it even but not for the judges who had is 110 - 115, 115 - 110. that was just bad. im sorry but theres no way manny won the fight even with the knockdowns. he got exposed in that fight and he better have learned some new things or else its going to be worse. better pray your boy isnt playin pool all night again.

I still dont get all the controversy over that judge scoring that first rd. a 10-7! The comission said that it was not mandatory to do that (deduct a pt. for every single knockdown), it is a judgement call (from what I remember). Even Harold Letterman scored it that way. I scored it a 10-6, and still had JMM the winner by a point!.

excuses for everything. i agree with the judge that had it even but not for the judges who had is 110 - 115, 115 - 110. that was just bad. im sorry but theres no way manny won the fight even with the knockdowns. he got exposed in that fight and he better have learned some new things or else its going to be worse. better pray your boy isnt playin pool all night again.

he admitted he made a mistake and ****ed up the result. but at least we have one thing to agree with, those two judges must be in both different fights. like i said some people saw the fight differently, so the issue must be settled in the rematch. yes he got exposed in that fight but i won't call him one-dimensional either. don't believe everything you read in the newspaper, or else you'll be in for a sucker! :D peace!

I still dont get all the controversy over that judge scoring that first rd. a 10-7! The comission said that it was not mandatory to do that (deduct a pt. for every single knockdown), it is a judgement call (from what I remember). Even Harold Letterman scored it that way. I scored it a 10-6, and still had JMM the winner by a point!.

yea i scored it 10-6. a pt for every kd is the best way to score i think. more than 3 kds stop at 6.

he admitted he made a mistake and ****ed up the result. but at least we have one thing to agree with, those two judges must be in both different fights. like i said some people saw the fight differently, so the issue must be settled in the rematch. yes he got exposed in that fight but i won't call him one-dimensional either. don't believe everything you read in the newspaper, or else you'll be in for a sucker! :D peace!


search this whole thread. i never once called in a one-d fighter. just said he got exposed.

I still dont get all the controversy over that judge scoring that first rd. a 10-7! The comission said that it was not mandatory to do that (deduct a pt. for every single knockdown), it is a judgement call (from what I remember). Even Harold Letterman scored it that way. I scored it a 10-6, and still had JMM the winner by a point!.

yes i believe it was not mandatory, but the judge was somehow confused by the commission on how to call on the 4-point dedection for the 3 kd's just before the fight. the judge after the fight admitted that pacman could have won the fight if he scored it correctly, which implied that he really saw it a 10-6 round if it wasn't the commission's conflicting notes about the rule. harold letterman had pac winning by 3 points ( i think).

he admitted he made a mistake and ****ed up the result. but at least we have one thing to agree with, those two judges must be in both different fights. like i said some people saw the fight differently, so the issue must be settled in the rematch. yes he got exposed in that fight but i won't call him one-dimensional either. don't believe everything you read in the newspaper, or else you'll be in for a sucker! :D peace!

Yeah, with the pressure he was under, he would admit anything to shut people up...you gotta admit, quiet a fuss was made over a point! But, who's to say that it was a **** up, when its a judgement call? I can see scoring it a 10=7, easily! So I dont consider it a **** up at all; and if it had been reversed I'd say the same.
That poor judge had everybody and their mama coming down on him over a stupid point; while the other judge sat back with his rediculous score and nobody bothered him'
Hell, I'd admit to all kinds of **** with that kind of heat, and it makes me wonder what he REALLY, REALLY thinks of that score, and that round :confused:
when people crucify a judge over a POINT like that, it just makes a tough job tougher!

search this whole thread. i never once called in a one-d fighter. just said he got exposed.

no not you, just some jmm fans.

yes i believe it was not mandatory, but the judge was somehow confused by the commission on how to call on the 4-point dedection for the 3 kd's just before the fight. the judge after the fight admitted that pacman could have won the fight if he scored it correctly, which implied that he really saw it a 10-6 round if it wasn't the commission's conflicting notes about the rule. harold letterman had pac winning by 3 points ( i think).

I dont remember Harold having him winning, not at all...that doesnt mean I'm right though. But, I'm certain that he scored that round a 10-7, for what it's worth ;)

no not you, just some jmm fans.

That would be me :o and yes, he did appear slightly one demensional to me...without that left hand, he didnt seem to have alot to offer, not compared to the skills that JMM displayed. But, I didnt say it to offend or belittle...I've always said that if he'd improve on his technique he'd be hell on wheels! and I stand by that ;)

Yeah, with the pressure he was under, he would admit anything to shut people up...you gotta admit, quiet a fuss was made over a point! But, who's to say that it was a **** up, when its a judgement call? I can see scoring it a 10=7, easily! So I dont consider it a **** up at all; and if it had been reversed I'd say the same.
That poor judge had everybody and their mama coming down on him over a stupid point; while the other judge sat back with his rediculous score and nobody bothered him'
Hell, I'd admit to all kinds of **** with that kind of heat, and it makes me wonder what he REALLY, REALLY thinks of that score, and that round :confused:
when people crucify a judge over a POINT like that, it just makes a tough job tougher!

it was the same judge who said he really ****ed up...here's what he said:

"I just screwed up," said Burt Clements, one of the three judges in the Pacquiao-Marquez fight, who said he should have written 10-6 instead of 10-7 in favor of Pacquiao in the first round. "I feel badly because I dropped the ball, plainly and simply. You can make a lot of arguments that it was a close fight. But that's immaterial. The fact is I dropped the ball."

i'm with you, it was the two judges with two disparate results who should do the explaining.

it was the same judge who said he really ****ed up...here's what he said:

"I just screwed up," said Burt Clements, one of the three judges in the Pacquiao-Marquez fight, who said he should have written 10-6 instead of 10-7 in favor of Pacquiao in the first round. "I feel badly because I dropped the ball, plainly and simply. You can make a lot of arguments that it was a close fight. But that's immaterial. The fact is I dropped the ball."

i'm with you, it was the two judges with two disparate results who should do the explaining.

Like I said, heat, pressure, Jesus, it was a mess, and enough to make a grown man cry!!! But, we dont know for certain that that is how he really feels...not at all. It doesnt matter now though, and I'll be so glad when the rematch happens!

That would be me :o and yes, he did appear slightly one demensional to me...without that left hand, he didnt seem to have alot to offer, not compared to the skills that JMM displayed. But, I didnt say it to offend or belittle...I've always said that if he'd improve on his technique he'd be hell on wheels! and I stand by that ;)

i wasn't thinking of you when i said that... so soree! :)

i wasn't thinking of you when i said that... so soree! :)

Hey, hey, you have absolutely NO reason to apologize to me...I dont take **** personal like that. And, I did say that about him, so you would only have been saying the truth if you had meant me! When it's true, with facts to back it up, then its fair game...no worries at all! ;)

I believe that Pac showed us his absolute best in his first bout with Marquez. In the rematch, we'll see a carbon-copy of Pac in every way, except that there could be some additional desperation when he realizes he's not able to repeat his performance of Fight #1. It is a fact, not an insult, that Pac is extremely one-dimensional, so Marquez has a definite advantage in knowing EXACTLY what Pac will bring in the rematch. PacMan's training for the rematch might include some additional work on movement and possibly some varaiations on a combo or two, but we all know he'll resort back to his very predictable head movement and big left hand, especially when frustration sets-in from not being able to connect eary like he did in Fight #1. Pac's success is in his left hand when facing that first-tier Mexican chin, and he knows it.

So, the difference in the rematch will not be PacMan's style. The difference will be Marquez, who will counter the **** out a guy who is a BIG puncher with questionable boxing skill.

The rematch will be war, no question, but it will be Marquez by convincing UD or late stoppage. Then we can all stop questioning if it was 10-7 or 10-6.

I believe that Pac showed us his absolute best in his first bout with Marquez. In the rematch, we'll see a carbon-copy of Pac in every way, except that there could be some additional desperation when he realizes he's not able to repeat his performance of Fight #1. It is a fact, not an insult, that Pac is extremely one-dimensional, so Marquez has a definite advantage in knowing EXACTLY what Pac will bring in the rematch. PacMan's training for the rematch might include some additional work on movement and possibly some varaiations on a combo or two, but we all know he'll resort back to his very predictable head movement and big left hand, especially when frustration sets-in from not being able to connect eary like he did in Fight #1. Pac's success is in his left hand when facing that first-tier Mexican chin, and he knows it.

So, the difference in the rematch will not be PacMan's style. The difference will be Marquez, who will counter the **** out a guy who is a BIG puncher with questionable boxing skill.

The rematch will be war, no question, but it will be Marquez by convincing UD or late stoppage. Then we can all stop questioning if it was 10-7 or 10-6.

did u see the mab-pac fight? there's your answer to your skepticism.

I dont remember Harold having him winning, not at all...that doesnt mean I'm right though. But, I'm certain that he scored that round a 10-7, for what it's worth ;)

i take that back, harold saw manny winning by 5 points. the same way the other judge saw it. larry merchant had pac winning a close fight.

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/3047/9131pac-jmm_1_ledderman_card.BMP

did u see the mab-pac fight? there's your answer to your skepticism.


mab and marquez are two different fighters so theres no comparison to how the fights will be.

i take that, harold saw manny winning by 5 points. the same way the other judge saw it. larry merchant had pac winning a close fight.

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/uploads/9131/pac-jmm_1_ledderman_card.BMP

His scorecard is not the end all be all of boxing. He is actually wrong alot of the time. Also, Harold has access to resources offical judges don't, like Compubox and expert opinions from Roy Jones, Goerge Foreman, Manny Steward ect. all this can have an effect on the perception of the fight.

mab and marquez are two different fighters so theres no comparison to how the fights will be.

all i was sayin is manny is not one dimensional like what some peepz think.

His scorecard is not the end all be all of boxing. He is actually wrong alot of the time. Also, Harold has access to resources offical judges don't, like Compubox and expert opinions from Roy Jones, Goerge Foreman, Manny Steward ect. all this can have an effect on the perception of the fight.

i completely understand that...i was just showing harold's scorecards to tracy who thought otherwise...btw harold is considered by many as a boxing expert, with judging as his specialty. hbo won't pay him for his services if he was a bummer.

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/3047/9131pac-jmm_1_ledderman_card.BMP

i completely understand that...i was just showing harlod's scorecards to tracy who thought otherwise...btw harold is considered by many as a boxing expert, with judging as his specialty. hbo won't pay him for his services if he was a bummer.

I understand that he is an expert, I don't question him on that, that doesn't mean he is impervious from making some bad calls. Like he thought that Winky Wright won round one in the rematch against Mosley. I'm sorry, but that was a bad call, round one was Shane's all the way. In a close fight those one or two round differences can having him calling the wrong man the winner.

thats a 17-year old Manny Pacquiao fighting his 12 fight in 12 months...this guy has no fear even when he was but a kid... ;)

thats pac gettin knocked out lol

thats a 17-year old Manny Pacquiao fighting his 12 fight in 12 months...this guy really has no fear even when he was just a kid...

thats a 17-year old Manny Pacquiao fighting his 12 fight in 12 months...this guy really has no fear even when he was just a kid...

so? no fear is bad for u sometimes and thats a great example right there.

so? no fear is bad for u sometimes and thats a great example right there.


It's been good 40+ times and really bad twice. :D

So many discussions, so many exchange of good ideas, pro JMM, pro Pacman, and after all is said and done - we will all be looking to a very fiery and exiting rematch. Now, remember guys: JMM still have to sign the contract. No matter how hard he trains, and no matter how eager we want the rematch to happen, the rematch won't happen unless JMM sign on the dotted line.

Marquez Wants Nothing Left To Chance.
By: James Blears

WBA and IBF Featherweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez initially allowed his natural testosterone or Mexican machismo to get the better of boxing common sense, in his first encounter with Philipino phenomenon Manny Pacquiao.

The result was that in a torrid first round, he got well and truly socked. It took three painful visits to the canvass for Marquez to grasp the fundamental essential, that in these particular circumstances, his abilities were far more suited to the role of matador. And that trying to bull his way through Pacquiao’s murderous lefts, had placed him on the horns of an imminent dilemma. Once this realization had struck home- in more ways than one, he managed to gradually claw his way back to achieve a draw.

Having clung to his titles by a proverbial whisker, Marquez is determined to avoid the triple whammy this time round, and to lick Pacquiao in their much anticipated re-match showdown in Las Vegas on February 26th.

No Christmas break for Juan Manuel. On Christmas Day, he drove his gun metal gray Mini Cooper through the virtually deserted streets of Mexico City to the Gilberto Roman Gym for a tough workout. Needless to say, not many other boxers were around. Their cheer was comfortably elsewhere.

Juan started his training in early November and has been steadily increasing its tempo ever since.

Juan circles and stalks his elusively etched mental image of Manny in the ring, bobbing and weaving, guarding from an imaginary all out assault from the left. As he warms to his task, a trainer enters the ring and holds up the big pad for Juan to pepper and thunder. The vibration from the jarring jolts snap the trainer’s head back and whiplashes his stocky body.

Manager Ignacio Beristain who’s hunched ringside sagely advises Juan to employ a lighter touch and to practice a variety of straight rights, doubled up the body shots while sneaking in a few sparingly chosen but well placed right hooks.

After six rugged four minute rounds, Juan vaults the ropes and starts perpetual punch avoidance practice, around the small frankfurter shaped bag. Only once does he momentarily allows his forehead to rest against it, when time is called. This brush stroke leaves a smear print of sweat which stands out darkly against its dry leathery surface.

Juan confides: “This time I’m going to be faster, stronger and more focused. At this moment I’m engrossed in gym work and physical strength routines. I’m going to start sparring in the first days of January. I’m absolutely determined to leave nothing to chance in my build up. In particular, I’m concentrating on more speed and honing my reflexes.”

Starting this weekend Juan is going to go high altitude training in the rigid snow capped Nevado de Toluca mountains. He’ll be naturally pumping up his red cell blood count through a tough physical regime at four thousand five hundred meters above sea level. He’ll be doing this every Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Juan is also gearing his mindset to strategy. He explained: “Manny is obviously a very handy two handed fighter, but his left is more potent. So we’re concentrating more on that side. Our strategy is for Manny not to connect cleanly with his left.”

Ignacio Beristain says that he’s taking with a liberal pinch of salt, reports that Manny is taking it easy and isn’t training at full tilt, saying that the several times he himself has seen Manny train, he’s given his absolute all. Beristain points out, each to his own, but Juan’s training program is extremely thorough, with an absolute commitment to complete physical fitness and conditioning.

Juan says: “I’m working towards a condition which will give me the capability to fight at full capacity for the whole twelve rounds throwing meaningful punches from the very start to finish, because I think it’s going to be a war, all over again. And it’s going to be even better than our first fight. I’m going to be fully concentrating and fully physically prepared.

Turning to the swirling rumors about Manny’s supposed reluctance to knuckle down to a full work schedule until after the start of the New Year, Juan grinned: “ Manny well knows the difference between preparing three weeks and fifteen or twenty weeks. He knows what he’s got to do. I’m absolutely sure he’s also preparing very well. It’s a crucial fight for both of us.

“My message for Manny is exactly the same as last time, namely prepare well. Because I’m coming into this fight mentally and physically ready for a better fight than the first and I’m going to win. “

looks like someone is in for a real tough fight. pac better not fool around not one bit. its serious this time.

JJM knows whats at stake..is training even arder..knows what to expect...i say JMM by UD or maybe even ko/tko (but if JMM ko's pac it will be very late in fight maybe 11-12thround)

pac is not winning a UD/SD on JMM..pac only chance is to ko JMM
pac is not going to school JMM in there

its gonna be a great fight...pac faces morales win or lose..so good times...

JJM knows whats at stake..is training even arder..knows what to expect...i say JMM by UD or maybe even ko/tko (but if JMM ko's pac it will be very late in fight maybe 11-12thround)

pac is not winning a UD/SD on JMM..pac only chance is to ko JMM
pac is not going to school JMM in there

its gonna be a great fight...pac faces morales win or lose..so good times...



pac's only chance against such a skilled counterpuncher is to swarm JMM

did u see the mab-pac fight? there's your answer to your skepticism.

I'm not skeptical, I'm convinced.

Mentioning Barrera-Pac at this point is to avoid the discussion. Pac's style against both Barrera and Marquez was nearly identical, and will be again for Pac-Marquez II. Very unfortunate for Pac that he is simply not a fighter that can adjust, while Marquez will do exactly that.

I'm not skeptical, I'm convinced.

Mentioning Barrera-Pac at this point is to avoid the discussion. Pac's style against both Barrera and Marquez was nearly identical, and will be again for Pac-Marquez II. Very unfortunate for Pac that he is simply not a fighter that can adjust, while Marquez will do exactly that.

you're easily convinced and yet you just seen a handful of pacs fights. i mentioned mab because pac showed that he isn't one-dimensional like you think. clearly you didn't see the fight like many of people did, it was a masteful annihilation of mab by pacman, or you just can't accept the fact that a guy like pacquiao can beat the hell out of a highly regarded fighter like mab.

what are you talkin about, pac did adjust in the fight in rounds 7 thru 12 and took the initiative again in the later rounds.

I disagree. Marquez got caught with good shots and he was still cold, and any normal good fighter would have probably been down and out. But Marquez stamina, conditioning, and resistance is anything but normal. His great conditioning will keep him from being Koed. His training at nearly 15,000 feet above sea will allow him to stay up or get up if things get rough and his skills, hand speed, and power will keep him in the fight as long as his heart desires.

Dont Forget, Barrera got hurt many times against pac but ultimately his body, brain or chin never gave out.. it was his heart.

i take that back, harold saw manny winning by 5 points. the same way the other judge saw it. larry merchant had pac winning a close fight.

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/3047/9131pac-jmm_1_ledderman_card.BMP

Well I must be going crazy cause I clearly remember harold saying that he scored that round 10-7...gee thanks Harold for making me look a fool! :o

I disagree. Marquez got caught with good shots and he was still cold, and any normal good fighter would have probably been down and out. But Marquez stamina, conditioning, and resistance is anything but normal. His great conditioning will keep him from being Koed. His training at nearly 15,000 feet above sea will allow him to stay up or get up if things get rough and his skills, hand speed, and power will keep him in the fight as long as his heart desires.

Dont Forget, Barrera got hurt many times against pac but ultimately his body, brain or chin never gave out.. it was his heart.

Marquez got caught cuz he ASKED for it. When you square your shoulder's up and trade. You WILL get hit. Pac looked smaller so Marquez thought he had teh power advantage. After the third knockdown it looked liek it was over, but JMM didn't wanna wake up the next morning thinking all that training was for getting knocked out in round 1. And so he valiantly got up.

And Barrera's body gave up before his heart. He fell down due to exhaustion in the end. Eventually his heart gave way.

sh_t all this trash talking is just keeping me hungrier to see the f_ck_ng rematch, bet its gonna be a hell of a fight...

anyone intrested in a signature and/or avatar bet??? just pm me if anyone is interested...PAC WILL BEAT JMM

There are a few variables to this fight, something that makes me very interested in it.

Marquez: No way will he allow that first round to happen again. This fight should go into the late rounds. Marquez knows how to avoid the big shots and would just love Manny to jump in throwing bombs so he can counter them. Look for lots of lateral movement and (punch-counter-clinch/step to the side) type fighting from Marquez. His main plan in this fight will be to keep Manny turning so he can't lung in straight at him. He should be able to win most of the rounds if he can avoid getting caught.

Sounds bad for Manny?......maybe not

Pac: One of the main things I noticed about their first fight was the way Manny was pretty much only using his straight left. After the fight many people were stating Pac was "exposed" as a one dimensional fighter. I don't actually buy into this. If you watch the Pac vs Barrera fight, Pac was using alot of angles and short hooks, uppercuts as well as the big left to throw Barreras rhythm off. Pac did almost none of this in his fight with Marquez. Barrera's game plan in that fight was to counter Pac, the exact same plan Marquez will have in the rematch. I won't get into the argument as to who is the better counter puncher in Barrera and Marquez. I would look for Pac to use more of before mentioned tools in efforts to throw Marquez's rhythm/game plan off. Roach is too smart not to have noticed this and will be beating this into Pacs head all during training camp.

Predicting a winner is hard because both guys have the tools to win. Right now I would go with Pac. Simply because he isn't going in with caution in mind.....Marquez is. With that said, its hard to dispute any counter arguments that Marquez can pull it off. But my gut says Pac.

you're easily convinced and yet you just seen a handful of pacs fights .... or you just can't accept the fact that a guy like pacquiao can beat the hell out of a highly regarded fighter like mab.

what are you talkin about, pac did adjust in the fight in rounds 7 thru 12 and took the initiative again in the later rounds.

Whoaa Horsey! Don't take it personally. When Pac floored Marquez the first time I was screaming for him to finish it, he was amazing. I damned near pissed my pants waiting for Pac to take Marquez out after Round 1. I actually thought Pac was going to wrap-it-up in Round #2! But, Pac couldn't do it. For the rest of the fight, he didn't show anything but the exact same head bob and BIG lunging left.

If you are convinced there was some significant style "adjustment" by Pac from MAB and Marquez, explain it to me and the rest of the world. And, by the way, Pac fans love Lederman's card, but many people didn't see the late rounds the same way. But, that doesn't make us Pac haters, I just don't think he can beat Marquez in a rematch.

Marquez was caught off guard by Manny~s speed and power. As Marquez adjusted he outboxed Manny with ease. Expect the same in the second fight unless Manny starts throwing a wider variety of punches.

Whoaa Horsey! Don't take it personally. When Pac floored Marquez the first time I was screaming for him to finish it, he was amazing. I damned near pissed my pants waiting for Pac to take Marquez out after Round 1. I actually thought Pac was going to wrap-it-up in Round #2! But, Pac couldn't do it. For the rest of the fight, he didn't show anything but the exact same head bob and BIG lunging left.

If you are convinced there was some significant style "adjustment" by Pac from MAB and Marquez, explain it to me and the rest of the world. And, by the way, Pac fans love Lederman's card, but many people didn't see the late rounds the same way. But, that doesn't make us Pac haters, I just don't think he can beat Marquez in a rematch.

Not so fast cowboy, I'm not taking your posts personally, i never have. Pac does a lot of bobbing & weaving and throws a lot of his 1-2 combination because that's the style where he is most successful. It's his advantage to weave and bob rather than become a stationary target. A fighter doesn't need to change his style to make an adjustment, all he needs to do is to make an adjustment to his rhythm and timing, box a little bit, throw more varied combinations and then deliver his most lethal weapon(s) when the opportunity presents itself.

I don't need to explain Pac's showing against Barrera because that one is not even debatable -- the fight wasn't even close. In the Marquez fight starting in round 7 where he started to get the initiative in the fight and especially in round 9, Pac tried to use some boxing skills, going into MArquez's body and head with his right jabs and hooks to set up his most lethal 1-2 combination.

Now to enlighten some of you who are saying that Pac only won round 1. Take a second look again. In round 2, Marquez was able to connect 8 punches vs. Pac's 18 (mostly hard punches). He was able to stop Marquez's rally and had the advantage in rounds 7,9,10 and 12 was close but I saw Pac winning it so did the HBO crew, so Pac won at least 5 of the last 11 rounds including the 1st round where he sent Marquez to the canvass 3 times.

Not so fast cowboy, I'm not taking your posts personally, i never have. Pac does a lot of bobbing & weaving and throws a lot of his 1-2 combination because that's the style where he is most successful. It's his advantage to weave and bob rather than become a stationary target. A fighter doesn't need to change his style to make an adjustment, all he needs to do is to make an adjustment to his rhythm and timing, box a little bit, throw more varied combinations and then deliver his most lethal weapon(s) when the opportunity presents itself.

I don't need to explain Pac's showing against Barrera because that one is not even debatable -- the fight wasn't even close. In the Marquez fight starting in round 7 where he started to get the initiative in the fight and especially in round 9, Pac tried to use some boxing skills, going into MArquez's body and head with his right jabs and hooks to set up his most lethal 1-2 combination.

Now to enlighten some of you who are saying that Pac only won round 1. Take a second look again. In round 2, Marquez was able to connect 8 punches vs. Pac's 18 (mostly hard punches). He was able to stop Marquez's rally and had the advantage in rounds 7,9,10 and 12 was close but I saw Pac winning it so did the HBO crew, so Pac won at least 5 of the last 11 rounds including the 1st round where he sent Marquez to the canvass 3 times.
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Nice observation. :rolleyes:

Marquez never outboxed Pacman with ease. In my opinion and he lost the last 3 out of 4 rounds. He will not knockout Marquez in round 1, 2, and probably not round 3 but if he can mix it up which he is working on with roach he will give Marquez hell. It will be a fasted pace fight and Marquez will lead on the score cards most of the fight until he gets caught and goes to sleep. Pacman in 10.

keep dreaming.

keep dreaming.


Cheech I think the main reason why he is on a
mission to get the Mexicans is that they currently
are the fighters worth fighting in the feather & superfeather divisions right now. My bet is that if it were other nationalities dominating those divisions, Pac will be on the same mission to get them. ;)

Of course there are the other champs: Korean In-Jin Chi and UK's Scott Harrison, but the money-making fights are obviously those with the Mexican boys :cool:

Cheech I think the main reason why he is on a
mission to get the Mexicans is that they currently
are the fighters worth fighting in the feather & superfeather divisions right now. My bet is that if it were other nationalities dominating those divisions, Pac will be on the same mission to get them. ;)

Of course there are the other champs: Korean In-Jin Chi and UK's Scott Harrison, but the money-making fights are obviously those with the Mexican boys :cool:

Absolutely right about that...they are where the moneys at! ;)

Marquez got caught cuz he ASKED for it. When you square your shoulder's up and trade. You WILL get hit. Pac looked smaller so Marquez thought he had teh power advantage. After the third knockdown it looked liek it was over, but JMM didn't wanna wake up the next morning thinking all that training was for getting knocked out in round 1. And so he valiantly got up.

And Barrera's body gave up before his heart. He fell down due to exhaustion in the end. Eventually his heart gave way.

Barrera's heart gave up before his body. It was easily apparent by what he was saying and his suggestions especially when the headbutt occured half way through the bout.

keep dreaming watch the fight again and you will see even after Marquez got his feet back under him he had trouble with Manny.

I think Pacquiao will knock him out, but in the 8th round. Marquez better not get any ideas of backing Pacquiao up.

I believe Pacquiao with his new right hand will destroy JMM in the early rounds. You can not trade with a puncher like Pacquiao without paying for it.

I believe Pacquiao with his new right hand will destroy JMM in the early rounds. You can not trade with a puncher like Pacquiao without paying for it.
What, is it a prosthetic? His right should be used better to set up the left. End of story.

naaaa I don't think so :cool:

Barrera's heart gave up before his body. It was easily apparent by what he was saying and his suggestions especially when the headbutt occured half way through the bout.

Touche, forgot about that. Now that I think about it your right :o . He looked for a DQ when he started bleeding from the headbutt. It's pretty uncharacteristic of him though to be discouraged like that.

There are a few variables to this fight, something that makes me very interested in it.
Marquez: No way will he allow that first round to happen again. This fight should go into the late rounds. Marquez knows how to avoid the big shots and would just love Manny to jump in throwing bombs so he can counter them. Look for lots of lateral movement and (punch-counter-clinch/step to the side) type fighting from Marquez. His main plan in this fight will be to keep Manny turning so he can't lung in straight at him. He should be able to win most of the rounds if he can avoid getting caught.
Sounds bad for Manny?......maybe not
Pac: One of the main things I noticed about their first fight was the way Manny was pretty much only using his straight left. After the fight many people were stating Pac was "exposed" as a one dimensional fighter. I don't actually buy into this. If you watch the Pac vs Barrera fight, Pac was using alot of angles and short hooks, uppercuts as well as the big left to throw Barreras rhythm off. Pac did almost none of this in his fight with Marquez. Barrera's game plan in that fight was to counter Pac, the exact same plan Marquez will have in the rematch. I won't get into the argument as to who is the better counter puncher in Barrera and Marquez. I would look for Pac to use more of before mentioned tools in efforts to throw Marquez's rhythm/game plan off. Roach is too smart not to have noticed this and will be beating this into Pacs head all during training camp.
Predicting a winner is hard because both guys have the tools to win. Right now I would go with Pac. Simply because he isn't going in with caution in mind.....Marquez is. With that said, its hard to dispute any counter arguments that Marquez can pull it off. But my gut says Pac.

Excellent points. The best post on this thread. I completely agree with this analysis

Excellent points. The best post on this thread. I completely agree with this analysis
not bad not bad
but a dont believe that caution is what's driven marquez
is determination to defeat manny paquiao

in he will you can bank on that marquez will BTFO manny paquiao

not bad not bad
but a dont believe that caution is what's driven marquez
is determination to defeat manny paquiao

in he will you can bank on that marquez will BTFO manny paquiao
I think JMM could be over training for this fight. So focused & training so hard that he might not have the edge he needs to beat Pac. We've been hearing alot of reports of how he's been training & for how long. He's not in his 20's anymore & after a grueling fight he had with Pac, it could've taken alot out of him.

Pac will be ready Marquez will be ready not overtrained. Its gonna be great. We will just have to wait and see lets leave it at that.

Pacquiao is capable of knocking out JMM in the 1st round. And so does JMM doing it to Pac as well. With the predictions as to who would win the 2nd fight being even, this fight is a must happen event. However, Unless the purse being asked by the JMM camp issue is resolved, we will never find out who is right in the predictions.

Don't worry so much about this fight not happening. This fight will happen because because it's the natural course that has to be taken by these two great fighters. All these talks about asking for more money is a usual brouhaha that precedes any great fight. :D

Pacquiao, in my opinion, is capable of knocking out Marques in the first round. Remember their first meeting, Pacquiao knocked Marquez three times in the first round, then Pacquiao went to the nose and broke Marquez' nose. But then he probably hurt his left hand and couldn't throw his punches with passion.
This time around he can finish him off. Especially now he just got off from the fight with a Thai fighter unhurt. Plus He'll have more time to really polish what he started in training for the Thai guy. He'll be in top condition with more passion to finish Marquez in the first round or second. He will reign in 2005. :D

This is just my humblest opinion. what is yours? :eek:
the pacman is capable of knocking out all boxers in his division

Don't worry so much about this fight not happening. This fight will happen because because it's the natural course that has to be taken by these two great fighters. All these talks about asking for more money is a usual brouhaha that precedes any great fight. :D

i agree with you kadyo, and there's nothing more i want to see on FEB 26 than PAC-JMM 2...

keep dreaming watch the fight again and you will see even after Marquez got his feet back under him he had trouble with Manny.

Had trouble with him? Thats not what I saw..I saw JMM become the defensive/counter punching master, and completely outbox Manny for almost all of the remaining rounds :eek:

Had trouble with him? Thats not what I saw..I saw JMM become the defensive/counter punching master, and completely outbox Manny for almost all of the remaining rounds :eek:
yes the best post ever

yes the best post ever
very good post tracylee that deserves some good karma :D

yes the best post ever

Thanks, but I wouldnt go that far! I just think that alot of pac fans think that if they give JMM his due credit that they will belittle pacs abilities, and I dont think that is the case at all. Give them both credit that is due...I mean, there is a good reason this rematch is one of the most anticipated fights of the year..one we all wanna see. If JMM was a deadbeat, bum or someone that pac could just blow out of the ring with no challenge, then everybody wouldnt be so anxious to see it. ;)

very good post tracylee that deserves some good karma :D

Thanks! I'd return it, but I've maxed out (which is very odd considering that I've just logged on and havent sent to anyone yet :confused: ) I'll get ya later! ;)

yes the best post ever

lol :rolleyes:

lol :rolleyes:

Awww come on Mooks, you know you LOVE my posts about JMM and Pac! I just bet you agree with every word too! :D

Awww come on Mooks, you know you LOVE my posts about JMM and Pac! I just bet you agree with every word too! :D

I'll agree to disagree ;)

I'll agree to disagree ;)

lol..that works for me :D

Had trouble with him? Thats not what I saw..I saw JMM become the defensive/counter punching master, and completely outbox Manny for almost all of the remaining rounds :eek:

that was a safe comment... :D ...but i don't think he dominated pac for all those rounds...jmm had a good 4-round winning streak but couldn't turn the tide against the pacman in the latter rounds...pac was able to take the initiative again from jmm and looked like the real aggrssor between the two.

yes the best post ever

hey morris...what's up? wanna bet on jmm this coming feb, how about 10m? let me know if you wanna back up your words, okay kid? ;)

that was a safe comment... :D ...but i don't think he dominated pac for all those rounds...jmm had a good 4-round winning streak but couldn't turn the tide against the pacman in the latter rounds...pac was able to take the initiative again from jmm and looked like the real aggrssor between the two.

I'd have to check my documents, but I do think I gave JMM all but one or maybe two of the last 8 rounds ;)

I think marquez will just run like a headless chicken...buttomline is he will get KO!!! I'm sorry my mexican brothers but pacman is destined for greatness!!! Pacman is one of the most exciting fighter that comes along once in a decade!!!

I think marquez will just run like a headless chicken...buttomline is he will get KO!!! I'm sorry my mexican brothers but pacman is destined for greatness!!! Pacman is one of the most exciting fighter that comes along once in a decade!!!

uh oh. We've got a live one!

poor guy.. if that makes u feel better by all means keep thinking that.

I think marquez will just run like a headless chicken...buttomline is he will get KO!!! I'm sorry my mexican brothers but pacman is destined for greatness!!! Pacman is one of the most exciting fighter that comes along once in a decade!!!

He'll run? It's called boxing (stick and move), and he just happens to be damn good at it too, which Pac already found out!

I think marquez will just run like a headless chicken...buttomline is he will get KO!!! I'm sorry my mexican brothers but pacman is destined for greatness!!! Pacman is one of the most exciting fighter that comes along once in a decade!!!
i def think hes good
but i dont see his style being destined for greatness
maybe for some good fights
but not greatness
he just gets his way too much
guys that can punch and get punched like pac
come along all da time
the ones that dont get hit
are the ones destined for greatness
gatti can ko u but u can ko him
he is not destined for greatness
pacs good
but u guys are krazee about exagerating him

That's what PAC will do on the rematch...pressure pressure pressure. JMM can't do anything about it....he's a counterpuncher.
What do mean he cant do anything about it? He is a what u said?

i def think hes good
but i dont see his style being destined for greatness
maybe for some good fights
but not greatness
he just gets his way too much
guys that can punch and get punched like pac
come along all da time
the ones that dont get hit
are the ones destined for greatness
gatti can ko u but u can ko him
he is not destined for greatness
pacs good
but u guys are krazee about exagerating him

nobody can say that for now...let time and history decide that...who knows he is really destined to greatness.

nobody can say that for now...let time and history decide that...who knows he is really destined to greatness.

i agree with you on this all the great fighters of the past have their doubters/haters even the GREATEST have his so we should all just sit back and enjoy the fights ...