Upon reading that the Tszyu-Hatton superfight has appparently fallen through, WBA super lightweight king "Vicious" Vivian Harris has spoken on the subject. "Kostya did the right thing. As a fellow world champion, he has earned his way to the top. He should be respected. I understand completely how he feels, as Warren/Hatton showed the same disrespect to me and my belt in negotiations earlier this year" said the 26-year-old champion. "Kostya deserves that kind of money, and at 35 years of age, he's paid his dues. Let me take care of Hatton first, as we're both 26, I have the world title already, Hatton should fight me now and Warren should show champions some respect, he can't protect Hatton forever and at this rate he's damaging Hatton's reputation. People are laughing at Hatton over here (USA). Kostya is a true champion and I respect him, I'd love to fight him and I am willing to go through Hatton first. The winner of Harris-Hatton can fight Tsyzu in a unification superfight" Harris also said he'd fight Hatton in Manchester for a third of what Tszyu turned down (reportedly Tszyu turned down a $5 million offer). "Just get the money right, and I'll go right into Ricky's backyard and fight him, I'd even fight him in his living room, if Warren shows a little respect."
Thursday, December 30 2004

Upon reading that the Tszyu-Hatton superfight has appparently fallen through, WBA super lightweight king "Vicious" Vivian Harris has spoken on the subject. "Kostya did the right thing. As a fellow world champion, he has earned his way to the top. He should be respected. I understand completely how he feels, as Warren/Hatton showed the same disrespect to me and my belt in negotiations earlier this year" said the 26-year-old champion. "Kostya deserves that kind of money, and at 35 years of age, he's paid his dues. Let me take care of Hatton first, as we're both 26, I have the world title already, Hatton should fight me now and Warren should show champions some respect, he can't protect Hatton forever and at this rate he's damaging Hatton's reputation. People are laughing at Hatton over here (USA). Kostya is a true champion and I respect him, I'd love to fight him and I am willing to go through Hatton first. The winner of Harris-Hatton can fight Tsyzu in a unification superfight" Harris also said he'd fight Hatton in Manchester for a third of what Tszyu turned down (reportedly Tszyu turned down a $5 million offer). "Just get the money right, and I'll go right into Ricky's backyard and fight him, I'd even fight him in his living room, if Warren shows a little respect."
Thursday, December 30 2004
nice idea.

again, u've gotta respect harris' tenacity.

God it seems like half the time Frank Warren is Hatton's biggest enemy. Hatton hasn't proven all that much yet, he needs to beat a guy like Tszyu or even Vivian Harris to be banking the the kind of cash fight that the Hatton team expects to get. I don't care how many fans Hatton has, he needs to show he is able to compete with the top level fighters before he can expect to command the kind of money he wants.

Frank Warren needs to give Harris a respectable paycheck and get out of the way. Warren is doing nothing but hurting Hatton's career. We all know Hatton is a big draw in Manchester but he still has alot to prove in alot of peoples eyes. Harris is willing to go to Manchester so I think Warren should be willing to pay Harris right. If he has confidence in Hatton beating Harris then he should not have no trouble paying Harris what he deserves. The big money will come in time right now Hatton has to prove himself.

I think Harris would ko Hatton easily.

I think Harris would ko Hatton easily.

Hell no, have you ever seen Hatton fight?

Hatton would win this imo, late tko or maybe a UD.

i have a lot of respect for harris...i also think harris has a great chance at beating hatton,he knows whats on the line and will give it is all...i say let hatton/harris fight..it would be good for boxing..and this way we can finally see hatton vs someone wiht a pulse or that hasnt been already beat by mitchell

Upon reading that the Tszyu-Hatton superfight has appparently fallen through, WBA super lightweight king "Vicious" Vivian Harris has spoken on the subject. "Kostya did the right thing. As a fellow world champion, he has earned his way to the top. He should be respected. I understand completely how he feels, as Warren/Hatton showed the same disrespect to me and my belt in negotiations earlier this year" said the 26-year-old champion. "Kostya deserves that kind of money, and at 35 years of age, he's paid his dues. Let me take care of Hatton first, as we're both 26, I have the world title already, Hatton should fight me now and Warren should show champions some respect, he can't protect Hatton forever and at this rate he's damaging Hatton's reputation. People are laughing at Hatton over here (USA). Kostya is a true champion and I respect him, I'd love to fight him and I am willing to go through Hatton first. The winner of Harris-Hatton can fight Tsyzu in a unification superfight" Harris also said he'd fight Hatton in Manchester for a third of what Tszyu turned down (reportedly Tszyu turned down a $5 million offer). "Just get the money right, and I'll go right into Ricky's backyard and fight him, I'd even fight him in his living room, if Warren shows a little respect."
Thursday, December 30 2004

Harris said he would fight in the UK, then said he wouldnt and now he's saying he will! :confused:

He says he will fight for a third of what Warren offered Tszyu, but the £750,000 he's already turned down is more than a third of the reported Tszyu purse(£2,000,00) :confused:

You just know this guys full of **** for comparing himself with Tszyu!! What a idiot!! :o

i have a lot of respect for harris...i also think harris has a great chance at beating hatton,he knows whats on the line and will give it is all...i say let hatton/harris fight..it would be good for boxing..and this way we can finally see hatton vs someone wiht a pulse or that hasnt been already beat by mitchell

I'd like the Hatton vs Harris fight, that way we would see Harris fighting someone with a pulse!!

again, u've gotta respect harris' tenacity.

I didnt expect you to say that baya :rolleyes: :p

ahahahaha!

Hatton should insist on a stipulation within the contract stating - "Vivian is to prepare me my dinner pre-fight, and my breakfast post-fight". Make the ***** cook if he's gonna **** her, if you know what I mean.

Harris needs the dough, so I guess you can't really blame him :D

I hope Harris finally KO's Hatton. Hopefully Frank Warren doesn't try to protect his cash cow again then claiming people are ducking Hatton. Hatton needs to prove himself to see if he belongs with the elite. He has to recognize that Harris is the champ & if he (Hatton) has to take a cut of some of the pay then so be it. If he's confident in his skills he'd do it so he could be champ & dictate purses if he beats Harris.

If the Tszyu fight has really fallen through, then it'll probably either be Harris or Cotto.

Think about what you're saying, if Hatton was being overly protected then why the fu*k would he be going after the Tszyu fight like a dog after a bone, considering he's the toughest nut to crack outta the light welters.

If anything Tszyu doesn't want to fight Hatton because he doesn't want to end up like Jones, undermotivated to the point of apathy and subsequently defeat.

Harris may prove awkward, but he's not the underrated dark horse he's been made out to be. He's a very ordinary fighter with little or no flair as an attraction. This boy's gonna cry wolf until he gets his ass burnt for a tidy little cheque by either Cotto or Hatton.

I hope Harris finally KO's Hatton. Hopefully Frank Warren doesn't try to protect his cash cow again then claiming people are ducking Hatton. Hatton needs to prove himself to see if he belongs with the elite. He has to recognize that Harris is the champ & if he (Hatton) has to take a cut of some of the pay then so be it. If he's confident in his skills he'd do it so he could be champ & dictate purses if he beats Harris.

I hope anyone and everyone KO's Harris!!

Title's dont mean anything anymore but if you can find a better win on Harris's record than Hattons record i'll admit that Hatton should take the short money against the fake champ who's own promoters dont like him.

Hatton's record
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=009314
Harris's record
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=008962

Upon reading that the Tszyu-Hatton superfight has appparently fallen through, WBA super lightweight king "Vicious" Vivian Harris has spoken on the subject. "Kostya did the right thing. As a fellow world champion, he has earned his way to the top. He should be respected. I understand completely how he feels, as Warren/Hatton showed the same disrespect to me and my belt in negotiations earlier this year" said the 26-year-old champion. "Kostya deserves that kind of money, and at 35 years of age, he's paid his dues. Let me take care of Hatton first, as we're both 26, I have the world title already, Hatton should fight me now and Warren should show champions some respect, he can't protect Hatton forever and at this rate he's damaging Hatton's reputation. People are laughing at Hatton over here (USA). Kostya is a true champion and I respect him, I'd love to fight him and I am willing to go through Hatton first. The winner of Harris-Hatton can fight Tsyzu in a unification superfight" Harris also said he'd fight Hatton in Manchester for a third of what Tszyu turned down (reportedly Tszyu turned down a $5 million offer). "Just get the money right, and I'll go right into Ricky's backyard and fight him, I'd even fight him in his living room, if Warren shows a little respect."
Thursday, December 30 2004

Harris hit the nail right on the head, but too bad Warren and Hatton are a bunch of *****es.

I hope anyone and everyone KO's Harris!!

Title's dont mean anything anymore but if you can find a better win on Harris's record than Hattons record i'll admit that Hatton should take the short money against the fake champ who's own promoters dont like him.

Hatton's record
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=009314
Harris's record
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=008962


um...Oktay Urkal and Diosbelys Hurtado

Harris last opponent is better than any of Hatton's opponents. I think his name is Oktay Urkal. He went the distance with KT. Harris KO'ed him late in their 2nd fight. Also Harris only lost to Oliveria. Hatton beats up on him when the guy is clearly not the same fighter he was from 3 or 4 years ago.

um...Oktay Urkal and Diosbelys Hurtado

Serious answers only please Jose ;)

Hatton's feasting on Sharmba's & everybody else's leftovers in the jr. welter division. Let's see, Hatton has beat a bunch of journeyman & good fighters who are years removed from their prime. Looks to me at least when Harris can get a fight, he's not fighting a bunch of over the hill fighters.

fair play to Harris, Hurtado was a great fighter at one time.

Urkal aint sh*t though.

Harris last opponent is better than any of Hatton's opponents. I think his name is Oktay Urkal. He went the distance with KT. Harris KO'ed him late in their 2nd fight. Also Harris only lost to Oliveria. Hatton beats up on him when the guy is clearly not the same fighter he was from 3 or 4 years ago.

Urkal is durable at best, i mean no disrespect to the guy but he's not exactly brilliant.

I know Magee is better than him because they fought, if the Germans werent such bad losers the would have scored the fight correctly.

IMO Tackie and Phillips are better than Urkal too, thats personal opinion but their definitly no worst than Urkal.

My point is that Harris's record is no better than Hattons, so the draw fighter(Hatton) should get more money for the fight. I admit that Tszyu should earn a lot more than Hatton if they fight but he's a genuine world champ who's proved his worth many times.

Urkal is durable at best, i mean no disrespect to the guy but he's not exactly brilliant.

I know Magee is better than him because they fought, if the Germans werent such bad losers the would have scored the fight correctly.

IMO Tackie and Phillips are better than Urkal too, thats personal opinion but their definitly no worst than Urkal.

My point is that Harris's record is no better than Hattons, so the draw fighter(Hatton) should get more money for the fight. I admit that Tszyu should earn a lot more than Hatton if they fight but he's a genuine world champ who's proved his worth many times.

You saying that Tackie & Philips are better than Urkal? Two guys who taken some bad beatings & are way out of there prime better than him. No. Urkal is fresher & would beat the both of them now because both of those fighters are not that good anymore.

You saying that Tackie & Philips are better than Urkal? Two guys who taken some bad beatings & are way out of there prime better than him. No. Urkal is fresher & would beat the both of them now because both of those fighters are not that good anymore.

Urkal is a durable fighter with average skills and no punch, i dont like putting people in to category but i cant think of a single German who can punch and doesnt need the judges to win fights for them.

There all still fighting and its possible i can prove you wrong in the future :p

fair play to Harris, Hurtado was a great fighter at one time.

Urkal aint sh*t though.

I know i've seen a clip of Hurtardo and he didnt look good, maybe it was a bad clip but his record doesnt suggest he was ever a great fighter.

Anyone got a hurtardo fight i can see??

Tiger wasn't bad. He was a wicked fighter once upon a time.

The krauts do tend to suck thine c*ck a bit. Tiger was A-OK with me though ;)

To prove your point, who exactly has Urkal 'beaten' of any note to be considered on par with the likes of Phillips, Tackie and Oliveira (albeit, past their primes)?

Hurtado was a legend as an amateur. I've got a few of his fights on tape, the most memorable being the Tszyu and Sweetpea tear-ups. He lost both but went out on his shield.

It's kind of debatable whether or not Harris beat him in his prime though, Hurtado's loss to Harris is comparable to Hatton's win over Phillips, although Phillips wasn't half the fighter Hurtado was.

are these guys serious?

"on par with Phillips, Tackie and Olivera"????

Phillips and Olivera are in there 70's and Tackie was coming off back to back ass whoopins.

are these guys serious?

"on par with Phillips, Tackie and Olivera"????

Phillips and Olivera are in there 70's and Tackie was coming off back to back ass whoopins.

Are you serious Jose??

Harris is a ******* who doesnt deserve a world title yet, just admit it and we get off this topic.

Are you serious Jose??

Harris is a ******* who doesnt deserve a world title yet, just admit it and we get off this topic.


Harris has a great reputation in the boxing world, the same cannot be said for Frank Warren and Ricky Hatton. Warren is shamelessy protecting Hatton trying to **** with Harris and even demaning Tszyu come come Manchester to fight Hatton.

Hatton needs to grow a pair of balls, stop being a ***** and fight outside of Europe. Just the thought that an un proven protected fighter with nearly 40 pro fights could think they could dictate terms to fighters like Tszyu and Harris just shows how dilusional they are.

are these guys serious?

"on par with Phillips, Tackie and Olivera"????

Phillips and Olivera are in there 70's and Tackie was coming off back to back ass whoopins.


I hear what you're saying, but you cant name Urkal as a fighter on par with Tackie, Oliveira or Phillips without telling me who he beat? who'd he actually beat?

What exactly is it that you see in Harris? Do you honestly feel he'd take Hatton? How much of Hatton have you seen?

Boxing's a funny old game, and for all I know Harris might beat him. I've seen a lot of both fighters though, which is why I'm fairly confident that Hatton would eat him alive :D

I hear what you're saying, but you cant name Urkal as a fighter on par with Tackie, Oliveira or Phillips without telling me who he beat? who'd he actually beat?

The point is Urkal would beat the hell out of them now just as Hatton did. Philips in his prime would've destroyed Hatton. Even the Philips that lost to Ike Quartey would've destroyed Hatton. Theses fighters are a shell of their former selves.

Harris has a great reputation in the boxing world, the same cannot be said for Frank Warren and Ricky Hatton. Warren is shamelessy protecting Hatton trying to **** with Harris and even demaning Tszyu come come Manchester to fight Hatton.

Hatton needs to grow a pair of balls, stop being a ***** and fight outside of Europe. Just the thought that an un proven protected fighter with nearly 40 pro fights could think they could dictate terms to fighters like Tszyu and Harris just shows how dilusional they are.

I think Harris's reputations bad, i dont often hear a good word said about him.

I don think there demanding Tszyu go to Manchester, read the below from the Tszyu's manager, it look like both camps will benifit from the Manchester location, IMO it doesnt matter where you fight as long as you get no favour from the judges/ref.

Any fight with Hatton is likely to take place in the early hours of the morning to allow for US television scheduling, and Watt told Australia's Daily Telegraph: "At the end of the day the Manchester fight comes down to economics.

"The promoters are making a lot of additional money for themselves by staging the fight there. They get pay-per-view revenues out of the UK, which will be enormous, and the MEN Arena in Manchester will be chock-a-block.

I'd forget the 38 fight record of Hatton anyway, Hattons only had about 20 fights since he was 21(same as Cotto), if Hatton stayed in the ams longer like Cotto his progress wouldnt be an issue.

The point is Urkal would beat the hell out of them now just as Hatton did. Philips in his prime would've destroyed Hatton. Even the Philips that lost to Ike Quartey would've destroyed Hatton. Theses fighters are a shell of their former selves.

I have seen Urkal fight many times so i have formed my own opinion of him, its very different to yours.

We will have to agree to disagree because our opinions conflict so much we wont find a netural ground.

The point is Urkal would beat the hell out of them now just as Hatton did. Philips in his prime would've destroyed Hatton. Even the Philips that lost to Ike Quartey would've destroyed Hatton. Theses fighters are a shell of their former selves.

nah man, the point is that you cant name a single meaningful fighter that Urkal has gotten under his belt, ergo you CANNOT say to me that Urkal is more significant a win than the afore mentioned old-timers.

Add to that your conjecture about whether or not Phillips COULD HAVE beaten Hatton at one stage of his career and it spells bullsh*t.

Could have, would have, should have, until Harris fights Hatton you have no idea how it'll play out.

Oh, and by the way, Hatton offered to fight Tszyu wherever, whenever. Those factors are dictated by economics, dont blame Hatton for Showtime's call.

Harris IS a viable opponent, but he isn't an attractive proposition in a division littered with stars far greater than his own.

Urkal was a great amature a Olympic Silver Medalist if im not mistaken and gave Kostya Tszyu an all time great a hell of a fight. Thats why he has the repuation he has.

Yes he is a much more significant win. There si nothing significant about fighting someone like Vince Phillips who is flat out shot.

Urkal was a great amature a Olympic Silver Medalist if im not mistaken and gave Kostya Tszyu an all time great a hell of a fight. Thats why he has the repuation he has.

Yes he is a much more significant win. There si nothing significant about fighting someone like Vince Phillips who is flat out shot.

Is there any doubt that Hatton would give Urkal a good beating?? I dont think Hatton could lose that fight, Urkal hasnt even got a punchers chance.

Hatton vs Harris would be interesting, i know Harris is a solid fighter but he's not worthy of a world title for beating guys like Hurtardo and Urkal.

Upon reading that the Tszyu-Hatton superfight has appparently fallen through, WBA super lightweight king "Vicious" Vivian Harris has spoken on the subject. "Kostya did the right thing. As a fellow world champion, he has earned his way to the top. He should be respected. I understand completely how he feels, as Warren/Hatton showed the same disrespect to me and my belt in negotiations earlier this year" said the 26-year-old champion. "Kostya deserves that kind of money, and at 35 years of age, he's paid his dues. Let me take care of Hatton first, as we're both 26, I have the world title already, Hatton should fight me now and Warren should show champions some respect, he can't protect Hatton forever and at this rate he's damaging Hatton's reputation. People are laughing at Hatton over here (USA). Kostya is a true champion and I respect him, I'd love to fight him and I am willing to go through Hatton first. The winner of Harris-Hatton can fight Tsyzu in a unification superfight" Harris also said he'd fight Hatton in Manchester for a third of what Tszyu turned down (reportedly Tszyu turned down a $5 million offer). "Just get the money right, and I'll go right into Ricky's backyard and fight him, I'd even fight him in his living room, if Warren shows a little respect."
Thursday, December 30 2004

Not only is Vivian blunt with it, he's dead on where severl of these comments are concerned! Many of us do consider Ricky a joke now, and it's all cause of Warren protecting him AND demanding the kind of money he does ..all at the same time! I fully understand in England he's the "****" (pardon my crudeness, but he makes me irritable!!) but over here in the states he's just another "maybe, might be, wont ever know..."...until he leaves Warrens protected area. It's gotten to the point where I dont want to watch him fight ANYWHERE...let alone in England. I just get tired of hearing how great he is, and how he will fight anybody, but then he never leaves home to do it. He wants the big money....well, from what I understand, that big money is here in Vegas and Atlantic City :confused:

Is there any doubt that Hatton would give Urkal a good beating?? I dont think Hatton could lose that fight, Urkal hasnt even got a punchers chance.

Hatton vs Harris would be interesting, i know Harris is a solid fighter but he's not worthy of a world title for beating guys like Hurtardo and Urkal.


If Emon McGee could drop and rock Hatton then yes I would say he has a chance.

If Harris doesn't deserve it then what does that say about Hatton?

Urkal was a great amature a Olympic Silver Medalist if im not mistaken and gave Kostya Tszyu an all time great a hell of a fight. Thats why he has the repuation he has.

Yes he is a much more significant win. There si nothing significant about fighting someone like Vince Phillips who is flat out shot.

Tszyu has already admitted to under par performances against Urkal and Tackie. Urkal may have caused him a few problems but he beat him nonetheless.

If you want to go down the route of comparing valiant efforts, how about Phillips losing a very close mixed decision to Sharmba Mitchell in the fight preceding his bout with Hatton.

What about the fact that Oliveira got beaten by Tackie only a year after he'd whupped Harris?

Or that the 'back to back' losses that Tackie suffered pre-Hatton were to Sharmba Mitchell and Kostya Tszyu, the 2 top fighters in the world at that time. He'd beaten Teddy Reid on top of Oliveira before taking on those elite guys.

To me all of that makes little difference, I just dont see Urkal as any more of a significant win.

Not only is Vivian blunt with it, he's dead on where severl of these comments are concerned! Many of us do consider Ricky a joke now, and it's all cause of Warren protecting him AND demanding the kind of money he does ..all at the same time! I fully understand in England he's the "****" (pardon my crudeness, but he makes me irritable!!) but over here in the states he's just another "maybe, might be, wont ever know..."...until he leaves Warrens protected area. It's gotten to the point where I dont want to watch him fight ANYWHERE...let alone in England. I just get tired of hearing how great he is, and how he will fight anybody, but then he never leaves home to do it. He wants the big money....well, from what I understand, that big money is here in Vegas and Atlantic City :confused:

Amen Traceylee!!! If Hatton was so great he would've already fought for a title by now. If Warren's going to throw Hatton to the wolves, he's going to capitalize Hatton's 1st loss on an opponent that going to bring him the most money. Harris is a high risk low pay opponent.

If you want to go down the route of comparing valiant efforts, how about Phillips losing a very close mixed decision to Sharmba Mitchell in the fight preceding his bout with Hatton.

are you high right now? Oh my god what fight were you watching? cause the fight I watched saw Phillips take a savage ass whooping with Mitchell flat out toying with him.

Olivera was years past his best when he fought Hatton and those fights happend a few years ago.

Ben Tackie not only lost, but he took brutal beatings from both Tszyu and Mitchell niether fight was close.

If Emon McGee could drop and rock Hatton then yes I would say he has a chance.

If Harris doesn't deserve it then what does that say about Hatton?


Oh Harris deserves it, it's simply a matter of whether or not he's salable in a market full of names.

Hatton generates money, Harris doesn't. If Harris was worth a friggin' nickle he wouldn't have to resort to open letters to get him fights.

If Emon McGee could drop and rock Hatton then yes I would say he has a chance.

If Harris doesn't deserve it then what does that say about Hatton?

Magee has superior power and even he couldnt hurt Hatton, i dont understand why thats a big deal anyway, anyone who watched the fight knows it was a flash knockdown.

I dont think Hatton should be a world champion, he's not beaten an elite guy yet. but Cotto, Harris and Gatti shouldnt be world champions either until the beat a top 5 fighter, its far too easy for a good talent/decent fighter to get a title shot without beating the best to get it.

Oh Harris deserves it, it's simply a matter of whether or not he's salable in a market full of names.

Hatton generates money, Harris doesn't. If Harris was worth a friggin' nickle he wouldn't have to resort to open letters to get him fights.

Hatton generates money in ENGLAND. I'd love to hear him announced to fight anywhere but the MEN arena! If and when Hatton fights here...by then, I wouldnt be surprised if he doesnt have very much drawing power at all. Alot of us are just THAT tired of waiting on him to get off that protective "ground" he hangs on all the time. Who's to say he'll rake in the money on U.S. soil by the time Warren decides he might can win a fight over here??

(sorry, had to edit some bad grammar!! :D )

Hatton generates money in ENGLAND. I'd love to hear him announced to fight anywhere but the MEN arena!

We'll see how much money he generates anywhere else. Outside of the MEN, he's an unknown just like Harris.

are you high right now? Oh my god what fight were you watching? cause the fight I watched saw Phillips take a savage ass whooping with Mitchell flat out toying with him.

Olivera was years past his best when he fought Hatton and those fights happend a few years ago.

Ben Tackie not only lost, but he took brutal beatings from both Tszyu and Mitchell niether fight was close.


You've missed my point entirely, what i was trying to point out was that a valiant 'losing' effort doesn't constitute accrued kudos.

If we're comparing the sum total of an opponent that your fighter has beaten you cannot really compare Urkal with those ex-champs.

Besides, Harris fought neither Mitchell nor Tszyu so you cannot measure his level against the performances of those fighters against opponents that Hatton has beaten.

As far as I can remember, Hatton and Harris haven't faced a common foe to measure them against each other, so like I said ... conjecture is what you're spouting.

Hatton generates money in ENGLAND. I'd love to hear him announced to fight anywhere but the MEN arena! If and when Hatton fights here...by then, I wouldnt be surprised if he doesnt have very much drawing power at all. Alot of us are just THAT tired of waiting on him to get off that protective "ground" he hangs on all the time. Who's to say he'll rake in the money on U.S. soil by the time Warren decides he might can win a fight over here??

(sorry, had to edit some bad grammar!! :D )

You're absolutely right, Hatton may never be appreciated in the US if he doesn't start taking 'the' big fights.

But the thing is, you've got umpteen other fighters in the division with a much more accepted reputation win or lose, than Harris.

It'll be a big name fighter next, or you'll probably see Hatton ditching Warren, believe it or not the guy has a boxing brain and he knows what the fans around the world have been saying.

Even if he loses you WILL be seeing him in a big fight this year.

It's kind of ironic that you guys are sticking up for a fighter that your own country has turned it's back on.

This fight is going to happend?

Hatton is actually a big fan of Cotto's hahahaha!

It's a possibility, his name's been mentioned and if the Tszyu fight has fallen through, I'd much rather see Hatton in with Cotto, a fighter who's going places as opposed to a stagnant fighter like Harris.

You're absolutely right, Hatton may never be appreciated in the US if he doesn't start taking 'the' big fights.

But the thing is, you've got umpteen other fighters in the division with a much more accepted reputation win or lose, than Harris.

It'll be a big name fighter next, or you'll probably see Hatton ditching Warren, believe it or not the guy has a boxing brain and he knows what the fans around the world have been saying.

Even if he loses you WILL be seeing him in a big fight this year.

It's kind of ironic that you guys are sticking up for a fighter that your own country has turned it's back on.

Hmmm, am I sticking up for a fighter, or putting down a fighter here? I said that I'm tired of hearing how wonderful Ricky is (and yes, I've seen him fight) yet he will not cut the apron strings of Warrens and come over here; and he demands all that money. Its not so much about Harris as it is about Ricky being fabulous...only at home.

I fully understand in England he's the "****" (pardon my crudeness, but he makes me irritable!!) but over here in the states he's just another "maybe, might be, wont ever know..."...until he leaves Warrens protected area. It's gotten to the point where I dont want to watch him fight ANYWHERE...let alone in England. I just get tired of hearing how great he is, and how he will fight anybody, but then he never leaves home to do it. He wants the big money....well, from what I understand, that big money is here in Vegas and Atlantic City :confused:

I feel the same about US talents, Lacy's a good example because i cant see why Americans think he's the ****!?!

The purses are normally higher in the US but the money is far better for Hatton in the UK at the moment, thats why he fights here everytime. I'm at the point were i would give up a ringside seat and i'd even go to the airport to wave him off so people stop talking about location.

Americans are obviously going the defend their home fighters, and the UK will defend there's but i cant see why anyone would think its Hatton's fault for the break down in fights? :confused:

Harris wanted more money and the fight in the US, but then fought in Germany for half the ammount Warren offered.

Mitchell was quoted saying he would make it financially difficult for Hatton to get a fight with him if he beat Tszyu

Gatti turned down $3mil and faced Dorin instead.

Pinto got a injury.

Hatton/Warren probably the reason why the Cotto fight hasnt happend, both have been quoted as saying the want Cotto at a later date.

Hatton is actually a big fan of Cotto's hahahaha!

It's a possibility, his name's been mentioned and if the Tszyu fight has fallen through, I'd much rather see Hatton in with Cotto, a fighter who's going places as opposed to a stagnant fighter like Harris.

Okay, this throws me...if Harris is so stagnant, and youre convinced that Hatton can beat him, then why not put them in the ring...if only to shut Harris up? Not to be contrary, but you do seem a little concerned that Harris could beat Hatton, or I think you'd want Ricky to whip the ass til the mouth shuts :confused:

Hmmm, am I sticking up for a fighter, or putting down a fighter here? I said that I'm tired of hearing how wonderful Ricky is (and yes, I've seen him fight) yet he will not cut the apron strings of Warrens and come over here; and he demands all that money. Its not so much about Harris as it is about Ricky being fabulous...only at home.


Assuming Hatton does face a big name this year, whether it be Tszyu, Harris, Mitchell, Cotto, whoever ... if he fights them in the MEN as opposed to say MSG, are you saying that you still wont be happy?

I feel the same about US talents, Lacy's a good example because i cant see why Americans think he's the ****!?!

The purses are normally higher in the US but the money is far better for Hatton in the UK at the moment, thats why he fights here everytime. I'm at the point were i would give up a ringside seat and i'd even go to the airport to wave him off so people stop talking about location.

Americans are obviously going the defend their home fighters, and the UK will defend there's but i cant see why anyone would think its Hatton's fault for the break down in fights? :confused:

Harris wanted more money and the fight in the US, but then fought in Germany for half the ammount Warren offered.

Mitchell was quoted saying he would make it financially difficult for Hatton to get a fight with him if he beat Tszyu

Gatti turned down $3mil and faced Dorin instead.

Pinto got a injury.

Hatton/Warren probably the reason why the Cotto fight hasnt happend, both have been quoted as saying the want Cotto at a later date.

I dont know...maybe theyre tired of Warren and Hatton trying to call all the shots? Perhaps theyre concerned about getting a fair decision in the very popular Rickys back yard? Who knows? I just dont think that Ricky is good enough to sit in England and demand that everyone come to him. And, all boxers, all over the world, end up coming to America to fight at some point (most of them do anyway) so why should he be any different>
For the record, I dont think that Lacy is the ****. He's good, but not properly tested enought to be the "****"...just like Ricky. ;)

Okay, this throws me...if Harris is so stagnant, and youre convinced that Hatton can beat him, then why not put them in the ring...if only to shut Harris up? Not to be contrary, but you do seem a little concerned that Harris could beat Hatton, or I think you'd want Ricky to whip the ass til the mouth shuts :confused:


Economics, the more appealing the opponent is to the US market, the more salable Hatton becomes, which in turn means bigger fights.

Fighting Harris is still an option, but it isn't a fight that will really do an awful lot to sell Hatton to the casual boxing fan who bolsters PPV takings, know what I mean?

Cotto, Tszyu, Mitchell, Mayweather, Gatti, etc. - A win over one of those guys would LAND HAtton in the US consciousness. A win over Harris doesn't carry the same momentum.

Assuming Hatton does face a big name this year, whether it be Tszyu, Harris, Mitchell, Cotto, whoever ... if he fights them in the MEN as opposed to say MSG, are you saying that you still wont be happy?


My happiness has nothing to do with Ricky Hatton. And I thought I made it pretty clear early on that I think that if Ricky wants the big money and the big names, then he should be willing to come to them...not always vice versa. Why does he need that English padding behind him with any of these big names if he's that good? Why always fight in the MEN? This is where the money is...everybody knows that. He's fought plenty in his own backyard...but if he wants, no insists, on fighting all the big names, then he cant expect them all to come to him..he aint that good.

Economics, the more appealing the opponent is to the US market, the more salable Hatton becomes, which in turn means bigger fights.

Fighting Harris is still an option, but it isn't a fight that will really do an awful lot to sell Hatton to the casual boxing fan who bolsters PPV takings, know what I mean?

Cotto, Tszyu, Mitchell, Mayweather, Gatti, etc. - A win over one of those guys would LAND HAtton in the US consciousness. A win over Harris doesn't carry the same momentum.

I get your point..but I think for some of us it's gotten to the point where we want to see if he will actually come here or not. If he keeps waiting, I dont know how much drawing power he's gonna have, regardless of who he's fighting (but I can only speak for myself here guys ;) )

Hatton fans are getting to be a joke.

You've missed my point entirely, what i was trying to point out was that a valiant 'losing' effort doesn't constitute accrued kudos.

Yes a "Valiant Effort" is to be aplauded if it is just that a valiant effort. There is a difference between pushing an all time great to the limit and being run over. The fighters you named were run over.


"Ex Champs" last I checked Ben Tackie and Ray Olivera were never champions.


But the thing is, you've got umpteen other fighters in the division with a much more accepted reputation win or lose, than Harris.


No you dont. Harris is regared as top 5 in the division by everyone.

It's kind of ironic that you guys are sticking up for a fighter that your own country has turned it's back on.

Would you like to explain how this country has turned there back on Harris?

Hate to break it to you, but a fighters woth is messured in skills not drawing power.


I feel the same about US talents, Lacy's a good example because i cant see why Americans think he's the ****!?!

US fighters dont need to leave the country to prove themselves because this is where the best fighters in the world are.

as far ass all these "offers" are concerned most of them are just pure bull**** and rumors.

My happiness has nothing to do with Ricky Hatton. And I thought I made it pretty clear early on that I think that if Ricky wants the big money and the big names, then he should be willing to come to them...not always vice versa. Why does he need that English padding behind him with any of these big names if he's that good? Why always fight in the MEN? This is where the money is...everybody knows that. He's fought plenty in his own backyard...but if he wants, no insists, on fighting all the big names, then he cant expect them all to come to him..he aint that good.


Cotto's said that he'd go to Manchester to fight Ricky, cuz he's such a badass.

Tszyu wants Australia, which is fair enough, but a non-starter as far as Showtime is concerned due to time issues, meaning that it comes down to whether Australia or the UK wins in terms of potential gate.

Mitchell needs a comeback, and has already fought at MEN, so it makes sense to stage it there.

Mayweather and Gatti would no doubt insist on Hatton going Stateside, which is the point at which your grumblings should manifest themselves. It's only really then that it should become an issue. If Ricky has those fights in his sights, offers are made and he isn't willing to travel, I'll give up on him myself.

Personally I'm more concerned about seeing him in the big fights as opposed to where they take place.

I dont know...maybe theyre tired of Warren and Hatton trying to call all the shots? Perhaps theyre concerned about getting a fair decision in the very popular Rickys back yard? Who knows? I just dont think that Ricky is good enough to sit in England and demand that everyone come to him. And, all boxers, all over the world, end up coming to America to fight at some point (most of them do anyway) so why should he be any different>
For the record, I dont think that Lacy is the ****. He's good, but not properly tested enought to be the "****"...just like Ricky. ;)

One of the problem is that Hatton is such an entertaining fighter, the non boxing fans turn up and pay good money to see him, a lot dont even care who he fights.

Warren is a tough guy to deal wth, the man is very clever so i can imagine people dont like to negotiate with him but i think a lot fighters blame him because they know they can get away with it.

The location shouldnt be an issue, fighters dont often get robbed in the UK, the only time i watched a guy come over here and get robbed the UK fans were more pissed than the fighter!! were not like the Germans and in general we dont like anyone winning when they dont deserve too. I consider Arum to be the most intelligent US promoter and he wants Cotto to fight in the UK!! He knows Hatton can make a lot of money here and there's no risk of a unfair decision.

Oh yeah, Hattons already fought at Madison Square Garden and Detroit, i think he wants to fight in Vegas next because its the home of big fights but its got finacial sense. He's like any parent, he has to put food on the table first and live his dream second.

hahaha

Warren is alot of thing clever is not one of them.

If you actually believe for a second Bob Arum would let Miguel Cotto go over to Europe I got some ocean front property in Arizona I want to sell you.

US fighters dont need to leave the country to prove themselves because this is where the best fighters in the world are.

I think i'm going mad, why does fighting in the US prove anything? isnt the opponent the proving factor?


What would make you respect Hatton more??

If Hatton fought and beat Tszyu in the UK

OR

If Hatton fought and lost to Tszyu in the US

I think i'm going mad, why does fighting in the US prove anything? isnt the opponent the proving factor?


What would make you respect Hatton more??

If Hatton fought and beat Tszyu in the UK

OR

If Hatton fought and lost to Tszyu in the US


pay attention.

Hatton would get respect if he actually decided to come out from under Frank Warren's skirt.

This is where the best fighters in the World are. Your two biggest stars of the last 15 years Lennox Lewis and Naseem Hamed also knew that. Thats why they came here and had all there big fights here.

Thats why guys like MAB, Morales, Castillo, Frietas, Tito, Cotto and Marquez all come here.

Thats why Pac came here.

you have to go where the best fighters and most exposure are, and that is in the us, Tzsyu knows this or he would be fighting in australia, hatton needs to learn this

hahaha

Warren is alot of thing clever is not one of them.

If you actually believe for a second Bob Arum would let Miguel Cotto go over to Europe I got some ocean front property in Arizona I want to sell you.

Warren was born poor, he grew up in a flat on a rough estate and somehow he became a multi millionaire living in a mansion once owned by a king, he sounds like a real dumbass to me!! :D

Arum will do whatever makes him the most money.

Warren was born poor, he grew up in a flat on a rough estate and somehow he became a multi millionaire living in a mansion once owned by a king, he sounds like a real dumbass to me!! :D

Arum will do whatever makes him the most money.

wow good for him

James Prince was born poor and is now filthy rich, but that doesn't make him a good boxing promotor.

Frank McCourt was born poor and now has **** loads of money, but that doesn't make him a good Baseball owner does it?

Donald Sterling came from nothing, but that doesn't make him a good Basketball owner does it?

pay attention.

Hatton would get respect if he actually decided to come out from under Frank Warren's skirt.

This is where the best fighters in the World are. Your two biggest stars of the last 15 years Lennox Lewis and Naseem Hamed also knew that. Thats why they came here and had all there big fights here.

Thats why guys like MAB, Morales, Castillo, Frietas, Tito, Cotto and Marquez all come here.

Thats why Pac came here.

I dont dispute the fact America is big on boxing, i know most fighters go there to make it but i dont see why a fighter would leave his home, his training camp and fans behind to travel to America and get paid less money.

I want Hatton to go to America to fight again, but i dont want to watch him on TV at 4am in the morning if he's not fighting a decent opponent in front of a half full arena. Every figher you mention went to America to gain more money, if Hatton can get the bigger fights and money then lets see him in Vegas!! :D

wow good for him

James Prince was born poor and is now filthy rich, but that doesn't make him a good boxing promotor.

Frank McCourt was born poor and now has **** loads of money, but that doesn't make him a good Baseball owner does it?

Donald Sterling came from nothing, but that doesn't make him a good Basketball owner does it?

I dont really know who these people are, i but i'm assuming they did something right to become so rich, apart from signing Ricardo Williams.

I also assume these guys made money from other sources before trying there hand in sport.

Yes a "Valiant Effort" is to be aplauded if it is just that a valiant effort. There is a difference between pushing an all time great to the limit and being run over. The fighters you named were run over.


"Ex Champs" last I checked Ben Tackie and Ray Olivera were never champions

The Phillips' loss to Mitchell was FAR from him being 'run over'. Tackie is Tackie, he's a puncher and as such rarely wins by decision. Urkal is a technician, not a brawler you cannot compare both of their 'losses' as they are a different breed of fighter.

Ex-champs - Define Champion. They've both held lightly regarded belts at different stages of their respective careers. Urkal by the same token that you're using to judge champion status wasn't either unless you hold the European title in high regard? LOL


No you dont. Harris is regared as top 5 in the division by everyone.

By everyone except the people at large, Harris is amongst one of THE most unpopular and unseen fighters with a title in your country. What would a win over Harris do for Ricky's career outside of forums and circles of hardcore boxing fandom such as this one??

The answer is very little. Harris's plight is a worthy cause but at the same time an empty one for any fighter looking to move forward. Fair enough, another belt would be 'nice for Ricky to hang over his mantlepiece, but it's all about names at this stage, multiple belts aren't the necessity they once were.


Would you like to explain how this country has turned there back on Harris?

Hate to break it to you, but a fighters woth is messured in skills not drawing power.

yah, by not fuc*king giving a **** whether he fights or not LOL

The poor bastard had to go to Germany to defend his title because nobody in the US gave a sh*t about the outcome.

And I hate to break it to you but a fighter's worth IS measured in drawing power in the real world. These are PRIZE fighters and in this day and age that prize is now the dollar sign as opposed to the belt around their waist. Ordinarily the two should go hand in hand, but Harris is a point in case of a Champion that nobody cares enough about to watch, let alone remember or celebrate.

US fighters dont need to leave the country to prove themselves because this is where the best fighters in the world are.

as far ass all these "offers" are concerned most of them are just pure bull**** and rumors

Yeah, that's the way it normally works fella, not in Harris's case though. A Stateside Hatton Harris fight means peanuts in Gate. Harris vs anyone means jack sh*t in the US, which is why he's pandering open letters in a bid to get Hatton to fight him in Manchester for a third of the price that they offered Tszyu, a non-american fighter LOL

I'm logging off now guys so i'll speak to you all again!! :)

ya, me too. It's almost 3am here.

I'll check your reply tomorrow Jose. I'll also remember your name when Ricky faces his first 'live' opponent :rolleyes:

The Phillips' loss to Mitchell was FAR from him being 'run over'. Tackie is Tackie, he's a puncher and as such rarely wins by decision. Urkal is a technician, not a brawler you cannot compare both of their 'losses' as they are a different breed of fighter.

Ex-champs - Define Champion. They've both held lightly regarded belts at different stages of their respective careers. Urkal by the same token that you're using to judge champion status wasn't either unless you hold the European title in high regard? LOL




By everyone except the people at large, Harris is amongst one of THE most unpopular and unseen fighters with a title in your country. What would a win over Harris do for Ricky's career outside of forums and circles of hardcore boxing fandom such as this one??

The answer is very little. Harris's plight is a worthy cause but at the same time an empty one for any fighter looking to move forward. Fair enough, another belt would be 'nice for Ricky to hang over his mantlepiece, but it's all about names at this stage, multiple belts aren't the necessity they once were.




yah, by not fuc*king giving a **** whether he fights or not LOL

The poor bastard had to go to Germany to defend his title because nobody in the US gave a sh*t about the outcome.

And I hate to break it to you but a fighter's worth IS measured in drawing power in the real world. These are PRIZE fighters and in this day and age that prize is now the dollar sign as opposed to the belt around their waist. Ordinarily the two should go hand in hand, but Harris is a point in case of a Champion that nobody cares enough about to watch, let alone remember or celebrate.



Yeah, that's the way it normally works fella, not in Harris's case though. A Stateside Hatton Harris fight means peanuts in Gate. Harris vs anyone means jack sh*t in the US, which is why he's pandering open letters in a bid to get Hatton to fight him in Manchester for a third of the price that they offered Tszyu, a non-american fighter LOL

No Phillips was run over and for anyone to even suggest otherwise is flat out laughable.

Funny I dont ever remember saying Urkal was a champion...but I do remember YOU saying Olivera and Tackie were.

Well tell me then who "The people" have in the top 5 at 140?

What would it do for his career? GIVE HIM CREDABILITY thats what. "Another Belt" yeah I guess the WBU is held in real high regard over in England huh*rolleyes*

You need to get it through your thick Ricky Hatton nuthugging skull. Just because a fighter is not a draw does not mean that he's not good. Bernard Hopkins is not a draw I guess he sucks too huh, Same with Winky Wright, Hell lets throw Vitali in that mix too.


Guess what Rickky Hatton in the US vs anybody means?...you guessed it jack ****. Hate to break it to you, but nobody gives a damn about England. He comes here and proves himself or continues to be mocked by the American Boxing press.

IFhappens...Harris KO1.

No Phillips was run over and for anyone to even suggest otherwise is flat out laughable.

Vince Phillips has never been a slick skillful boxer, he always been a strong durable puncher and he was exactly the same against Hatton, I'm not saying he's brilliant, I'm not saying he's at his best but he is a still a good test, especially when he's loaded up with steroids.

What would it do for his career? GIVE HIM CREDABILITY thats what. "Another Belt" yeah I guess the WBU is held in real high regard over in England huh*rolleyes*

The WBU means **** in the UK, its just a minor title that brings in extra revenue from the part time boxing fans.

The WBA, WBC and WBO dont mean much at the moment though,

Hatton went from WBC number 1 contender to 3 so they could set gatti up with an easy fight with number 2 contender Branco, Why didnt the WBC make Hatton number 2 if they wanted Gatti to be number 1?? why would a fighter who hasnt fought in over a year and who's last opponents record was 6-9-1 be number 2 contender?? WBCorrupt isnt a credible title if you win like that.

And winning a world title against Hurtardo and Pinto isnt credible, i think Harris and Cotto are very good fighters but its silly to make them world champions when neither have beaten a current top 5 fighter.

Tszyu won his IBF title against Zab Judah, that makes it a credible title

You need to get it through your thick Ricky Hatton nuthugging skull. Just because a fighter is not a draw does not mean that he's not good. Bernard Hopkins is not a draw I guess he sucks too huh, Same with Winky Wright, Hell lets throw Vitali in that mix too.

You shouldnt call the guy a nuthugger because he doesnt agree with you Jose, that ****s silly because we all favour certain fighters! keep it :cool:

IMO Harris is a very good fighter, he's world class but he doesnt do himself any favours, he said Tszyu was scared when he got in the ring after the Mitchell fight, thats not going to get him a shot at Tszyu, thats not going to make him fans.

Guess what Rickky Hatton in the US vs anybody means?...you guessed it jack ****. Hate to break it to you, but nobody gives a damn about England. He comes here and proves himself or continues to be mocked by the American Boxing press.

The American boxing writers care enough to keep mentioning his name! The American boxing press mock everyone who's doesnt fight often in the US, thats ****ing lame!! I notice the US press never complained when Mitchell fought the same level of opponent every fight!! I dont see why a fighter needs to fight in a certain location but i'd love to see Hatton go to the US and fight the best US 140 pounder Mitchell.

IFhappens...Harris KO1.

Harris vs Hatton??

Thats a bold statement so you must really think Harris would win, i'm glad because you wont mind betting 5,000,000 points on it!!

I think we all know the WBC ranking system is a joke! Requirements being; over 35, big draw, American & ****!

A third of $5 million? Of course he'll fight Hatton for that. He said he'd fight him for $750,000 months ago. The problem is that he isn't even worth that. Hatton is the draw, Harris is nothing on the world scale. Kosta Tyszu at least has the U.S exposure and hype to at least take the fight to PPV in England. Harris ain't got that.

hahaha

Warren is alot of thing clever is not one of them.

If you actually believe for a second Bob Arum would let Miguel Cotto go over to Europe I got some ocean front property in Arizona I want to sell you.

Arum said on TV that he'd LOVE to bring Cotto to Manchester. So either he means it or he is a freaking liar. Take your time chosing while looking for that ocean front property in Arizona.

Arum said on TV that he'd LOVE to bring Cotto to Manchester. So either he means it or he is a freaking liar. Take your time chosing while looking for that ocean front property in Arizona.

Yes but Arum was lying yesterday and today he's telling the truth!! :D

That Arum quote is a classic.

Of course arum is a liar he's a ****ing promoter, just like politicions, i never believe a fights signed until i see the fighters at the press conference to kick the whole thing off

Of course arum is a liar he's a ****ing promoter, just like politicions, i never believe a fights signed until i see the fighters at the press conference to kick the whole thing off

With Arum its twice as bad, he was a lawyer and now a boxing promoter!!

No Phillips was run over and for anyone to even suggest otherwise is flat out laughable.

There's no question that Mitchell won in my mind, but Phillips came on strong in the second half of that fight, for you to insinuate that he was 'run over' would imply that he was never at any point 'in the fight'. Your view on things is far from gospel son, so dont push it as such.

Funny I dont ever remember saying Urkal was a champion...but I do remember YOU saying Olivera and Tackie were.

You negated to define the word 'champion'. In my eyes anyone who holds a recognised belt has earnt the right to be called a champion. I know you didn't say that Urkal was a champion, but since you felt the need to point out that Oliveira and Phillips weren't I felt the need to point out that Urkal wasn't either.


Well tell me then who "The people" have in the top 5 at 140?

The people being the revenue generators for the sport. I'd say the following fighters would be in their top 5:

Arturo Gatti
Miguel Cotto
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton

Mitchell could probably put on a good show too, but he figures just outside of those 5 due to his loss to Kostya and the fashion in which it came.

Harris SHOULD be in that list given his credentials, but he isn't. He'd get the short end of any purse put forwatd by any of those fighters, and rightly so given his relative anonymity.


What would it do for his career? GIVE HIM CREDABILITY thats what. "Another Belt" yeah I guess the WBU is held in real high regard over in England huh*rolleyes*

It would garner him credibility from the hardcore fans, it would do absolutely nothing for his career though. As I've already pointed out, this division is littered with 'names' and names sell tickets, Harris has no name to speak of outside of Germany.

Did I ever say that the WBU meant anything? NO, I couldn't care about the status of his belt, because I dont think belts define a fighter. Which is why i offhandishly called Phillips and Oliveira ex-champs, they held belts but were bigger than those titles.

Let's get one thing straight, I would LOVE Ricky to fight Harris, because I can appreciate his status outside of revenue and popularity, what I'm saying is that the only reason Harris has piped up now is because he needs Hatton more than Hatton needs Harris.

You need to get it through your thick Ricky Hatton nuthugging skull. Just because a fighter is not a draw does not mean that he's not good. Bernard Hopkins is not a draw I guess he sucks too huh, Same with Winky Wright, Hell lets throw Vitali in that mix too.

I've already conceded that Hurtado was a good win, Harris IS a credible opponent, what he lacks is notoriety. Hopkins and Winky ARE a draw, They're both multi-million dollar generators per fight. The fact that they weren't big earners pre-victory over Tito and Mosely has no bearing on Harris as he has yet to defeat a genuine NAMED fighter as they did.

Vitali?? what the f*ck are you talking about Pedro? Vitali is considered THE #1 heavy worldwide, is regularly on Pay-per-view and is recognised by even the most fringe of casual boxing fans.

Guess what Rickky Hatton in the US vs anybody means?...you guessed it jack ****. Hate to break it to you, but nobody gives a damn about England. He comes here and proves himself or continues to be mocked by the American Boxing press.

Then why would Showtime stump up millions of dollars to secure the tv rights to a potential clash between Hatton and Tszyu?

Equally, Hatton vs Cotto, Mayweather, Gatti or Mitchell are all Pay-per-view televised fights in the US.

Whether he goes there or remains here to engage in those fights is a matter of promotional factoring.

Nobody gives a damn about england? Then why is one of your primetime TV stations willing to pay through the teeth to attain rights to an english fighter's bouts?

By the way, I'm far from a 'Hatton Nuthugger'. I'd favour Cotto, Mayweather AND Tszyu over Ricky. I think Harris, Gatti and Mitchell all lose by decision though.

Yes but Arum was lying yesterday and today he's telling the truth!! :D

That Arum quote is a classic.

Thats the thing with Arum...you just never know what youre getting (true or false)..his version of the truth is a bit shady, and used optionally at a whim (did that make sense?? :D ).

Thats the thing with Arum...you just never know what youre getting (true or false)..his version of the truth is a bit shady, and used optionally at a whim (did that make sense?? :D ).

I only believe a promoter if what they say makes finacial sense, if promoters have one thing in common its their money grabbing mentality.

I only believe a promoter if what they say makes finacial sense, if promoters have one thing in common its their money grabbing mentality.

Absolutely! I've gotten to the point where I believe a fight will happen when the press conference takes place with both fighters present...just too suspicious, I guess :confused:

There's no question that Mitchell won in my mind, but Phillips came on strong in the second half of that fight, for you to insinuate that he was 'run over' would imply that he was never at any point 'in the fight'. Your view on things is far from gospel son, so dont push it as such.



You negated to define the word 'champion'. In my eyes anyone who holds a recognised belt has earnt the right to be called a champion. I know you didn't say that Urkal was a champion, but since you felt the need to point out that Oliveira and Phillips weren't I felt the need to point out that Urkal wasn't either.




The people being the revenue generators for the sport. I'd say the following fighters would be in their top 5:

Arturo Gatti
Miguel Cotto
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton

Mitchell could probably put on a good show too, but he figures just outside of those 5 due to his loss to Kostya and the fashion in which it came.

Harris SHOULD be in that list given his credentials, but he isn't. He'd get the short end of any purse put forwatd by any of those fighters, and rightly so given his relative anonymity.




It would garner him credibility from the hardcore fans, it would do absolutely nothing for his career though. As I've already pointed out, this division is littered with 'names' and names sell tickets, Harris has no name to speak of outside of Germany.

Did I ever say that the WBU meant anything? NO, I couldn't care about the status of his belt, because I dont think belts define a fighter. Which is why i offhandishly called Phillips and Oliveira ex-champs, they held belts but were bigger than those titles.

Let's get one thing straight, I would LOVE Ricky to fight Harris, because I can appreciate his status outside of revenue and popularity, what I'm saying is that the only reason Harris has piped up now is because he needs Hatton more than Hatton needs Harris.



I've already conceded that Hurtado was a good win, Harris IS a credible opponent, what he lacks is notoriety. Hopkins and Winky ARE a draw, They're both multi-million dollar generators per fight. The fact that they weren't big earners pre-victory over Tito and Mosely has no bearing on Harris as he has yet to defeat a genuine NAMED fighter as they did.

Vitali?? what the f*ck are you talking about Pedro? Vitali is considered THE #1 heavy worldwide, is regularly on Pay-per-view and is recognised by even the most fringe of casual boxing fans.



Then why would Showtime stump up millions of dollars to secure the tv rights to a potential clash between Hatton and Tszyu?

Equally, Hatton vs Cotto, Mayweather, Gatti or Mitchell are all Pay-per-view televised fights in the US.

Whether he goes there or remains here to engage in those fights is a matter of promotional factoring.

Nobody gives a damn about england? Then why is one of your primetime TV stations willing to pay through the teeth to attain rights to an english fighter's bouts?

By the way, I'm far from a 'Hatton Nuthugger'. I'd favour Cotto, Mayweather AND Tszyu over Ricky. I think Harris, Gatti and Mitchell all lose by decision though.

My god. Could you know less about boxing?

Please stop trying to justify Phillips as an opponent. NO he did not "come on strong" at any point of that fight. I guess next your gonna tell me how Mike Stewart and Ben Tackie both "Came on strong" in there fights against Mitchell to justify them being Hatton victims too huh.

Wow didn't know I had to define the term "Champion". I could understand how that would be hard for you. I never said anything about Tackie and Olivera being world champion YOU said "If we're comparing the sum total of an opponent that your fighter has beaten you cannot really compare Urkal with those ex-champs." implying that Tackie and Olivera were ex-champions

Saying beating Harris would give him credability, but in the very next sentance saying it would do nothing for his career. Are you kidding me?


actually yes you did suggest the WBU ment something when you said "another belt would be 'nice for Ricky to hang over his mantlepiece," suggesting that Hatton already had a belt. Yeah cause the WBU and WBA are on the same level huh.

Wow Hopkins and Wright are big draws...thats news to everyone. No one outside of Boxing fans knows who either are. Hopkins had a fight right after Tito in PA and couldn't even sell it out.

Oh wow a racist remark that didn't take long did it people.

Vitali is a big draw? Vitali is "regularly on Pay-per-view"? Im sorry would you like to tell me how many times Vitali has actually fought on PPV? While your at it please tell me how much money HBO lost on that PPV because of the pathetic buy numbers. Oh but thats right he's a big time draw. Oh wait dont forget tell me how many people bought tickets to it also...cause you know, he's such a big draw.


Hatton vs Mayweather, Cotto, Mitchell or Gatti are all PPV??? Is this guy joking? That would be pretty amazing conisidering Neither Mayweather, Cotto, Mitchell or Gatti have ever headlined a PPV.

Hell Tszyu/Mitchell 1 and 2 wasn't even a PPV here and you think Hatton a fighter who no one outside of hardcore boxing fans know is gonna be a PPV.

Yeah that same prime time staion has also refused to show Ricky Hatton fights untill he steps up. Hatton went from having all his fights telavised on Showtime and now he's nowhere to be found because he's pissed off the network. Do you know why? becuase Ricky Hatton vs TBA does not generate rating in America.

My god. Could you know less about boxing?

Please stop trying to justify Phillips as an opponent. NO he did not "come on strong" at any point of that fight. I guess next your gonna tell me how Mike Stewart and Ben Tackie both "Came on strong" in there fights against Mitchell to justify them being Hatton victims too huh.


Phillips was a perfectly legitimate opponent considering Hatton's track record up until that point. He DID come on strong against Mitchell or ... wait, maybe I'm mistaken and I'm living in the 'world according to Jose', I simply hallucinated the second half of that fight? Do not put words in my mouth.

Wow didn't know I had to define the term "Champion". I could understand how that would be hard for you. I never said anything about Tackie and Olivera being world champion YOU said "If we're comparing the sum total of an opponent that your fighter has beaten you cannot really compare Urkal with those ex-champs." implying that Tackie and Olivera were ex-champions

Once again stop putting words in my mouth, I never once said world champions, i said ex-champs.

Does this ring any bells?:

"Ex Champs" last I checked Ben Tackie and Ray Olivera were never champions

Hence my need for you to define the word 'champion'.

Saying beating Harris would give him credability, but in the very next sentance saying it would do nothing for his career. Are you kidding me?

What i said was, a win over Harris would garner credibility amongst the hardcore boxing fan bases, The casual fan who makes up the actual revenue for fights knows nothing about Harris, therefore beating him would do very little to raise his profile amongst that audience. In turn it would do very little to boost the demand for bigger fights.

actually yes you did suggest the WBU ment something when you said "another belt would be 'nice for Ricky to hang over his mantlepiece," suggesting that Hatton already had a belt. Yeah cause the WBU and WBA are on the same level huh.

I take it that sarcasm is above your station? The reference to hanging it over his mantlepiece was a remark intended to reflect my disdain towards belts in general i.e. all it would be good for is decoration.

Wow Hopkins and Wright are big draws...thats news to everyone. No one outside of Boxing fans knows who either are. Hopkins had a fight right after Tito in PA and couldn't even sell it out.

Hopkins fought Carl Daniels post Tito and 4 wins later had beaten Oscar De La Hoya, THE biggest draw fighter in boxing outside of the heavyweight division. Now maybe Hopkins isn't a name that everyone in the world recognises, but that is more of a reflection on the popularity of the sport as opposed to Hopkins fame within it. Relatively speaking Hopkins has become one of the biggest names in the sport. Winky isn't quite as well known but you certainly cant compare Harris's obscurity to that of Winky Wright, who recently turned down $4 million to fight Tito.

Oh wow a racist remark that didn't take long did it people.

You've got me there. I apologise. Even the dumbest of people dont deserve such ignorance.

Vitali is a big draw? Vitali is "regularly on Pay-per-view"? Im sorry would you like to tell me how many times Vitali has actually fought on PPV? While your at it please tell me how much money HBO lost on that PPV because of the pathetic buy numbers. Oh but thats right he's a big time draw. Oh wait dont forget tell me how many people bought tickets to it also...cause you know, he's such a big draw.

HBO drew its highest audience figures for a heavyweight fight in over six years from Lewis/Klit. 3 of Vitali's last 4 fights were broadcast on HBO Pay-per-view. Your comparison of Vitali K to Harris in terms of notoriety is beyond dumb, it's ludicrous. The mere fact that VK has headlined a PPV card puts him on a completely different plane to Harris. Your attempt to use poor buy figures as an argument is paper thin as that has a higher implication moreso on the sport's mainstream demise as opposed to a fighter's popularity. Vitali isn't a great fighter but he's the best that we've got at the moment in the most popular division meaning that he's a KNOWN fighter.

Dont be so foolish.

Hatton vs Mayweather, Cotto, Mitchell or Gatti are all PPV??? Is this guy joking? That would be pretty amazing conisidering Neither Mayweather, Cotto, Mitchell or Gatti have ever headlined a PPV.

Hell Tszyu/Mitchell 1 and 2 wasn't even a PPV here and you think Hatton a fighter who no one outside of hardcore boxing fans know is gonna be a PPV.

You're not hearing me, I could easily imagine any of those fights on PPV. The fact that they wouldn't receive top billing is completely irrelevant as there isn't a fighter in the division capable of singlehandedly supporting a PPV card. My point was that those fighters' popularity would warrant the huge payroll required to match make between 2 of them on the undercard of a PPV.

If Harris were to meet any of those fighters it would be a draw to hardcore fans alone. The headline event would inevitably have to burden the weight of attraction. In order for Harris to appear on a PPV card he'd have to fight someone in the same situation as himself, unknown and willing to accept a 'reasonable' figure to fight him (regardless of their credentials.) for example m'baye, who met that criteria and fought Harris with third billing on the Mayorga/Forrest PPV.

You shouldn't expect popular fighters to accept low purses when they can generate far higher incomes from fighting guys of equal economic stature. It just doesn't happen. Even Cotto backed out of his fight with Harris.

Financially, Harris is a dud. For whatever reasons, he's failed to set the fans' imaginations alight. Dont get pis*ed off with Hatton because Harris doesn't pose an attractive proposition, get pis*ed off with your country for not fully appreciating one of it's champions.

actually yes you did suggest the WBU ment something when you said "another belt would be 'nice for Ricky to hang over his mantlepiece," suggesting that Hatton already had a belt. Yeah cause the WBU and WBA are on the same level huh.

The WBU did mean something when he won it, its a nice belt to win on your way up, the only problem is he should have upgraded to a real world title about two years ago. :(

He's won british title, central area title, WBO&WBA intercontinental titles, Boxing Writer young fighter of the year, world junior Bronze medallist, ABA champ.

I Know you dont give a **** about the UK but these belts are what our fighters want and should win before they can progress, they dont mean **** on the world stage but there still on his mantlepiece. :p

Hatton vs Mayweather, Cotto, Mitchell or Gatti are all PPV??? Is this guy joking? That would be pretty amazing conisidering Neither Mayweather, Cotto, Mitchell or Gatti have ever headlined a PPV
.

They may not make American ppv because i dont have a clue who does, but they would make UK ppv. Maybe not Mitchell because most UK fans watched him against Stewart.

come on lee the wbu has always been worthless, the brit. common and euro are much more respected here, imo anyway, i'd rather he was in quality international 10 rounders for no belt against the opponants than 12 round wbu bollocks, maybe that way once people generally agree he's a higher level than euro champ then he could of got a legit shot quicker or at least fought more top ten names in elimination matches (interim would maybe be slightly acceptable ala mitchells situation)

come on lee the wbu has always been worthless, the brit. common and euro are much more respected here, imo anyway, i'd rather he was in quality international 10 rounders for no belt against the opponants than 12 round wbu bollocks, maybe that way once people generally agree he's a higher level than euro champ then he could of got a legit shot quicker or at least fought more top ten names in elimination matches (interim would maybe be slightly acceptable ala mitchells situation)

The good thing with the WBU belt is you dont have to fight **** mandatorys(unless you want too :D )!! The common and EU belts have **** contenders, imagine if Hatton had to defend agianst Fred Kinuthia or Krzysztof Bienias.

And say what you about the WBU but its the hardest belt to get if your not a Warren fighter!! :D

The WBU is and probably always will be a **** title, but its ok for a young pro.

fights in europe mean nothing...until they come to america and beat some real competiton

Harris has to accept the short end of the purse as he is NOT a draw, can not sell out a 3000 seat arena in his HOMETOWN and has not been marketed by any network. Tsyzu, on the other hand, is as popular in the U.S as he is in Russia and Australia, has sold out 30000 seat stadiums and generates HIGH ratings whenever he fights.

Harris priced himself out of the Hatton fight because he wanted to dictate terms when he has no leverage for the aforementioned reasons. He has to understand that outcome of negotiations is predicted on bargaining power, since Harris has none he must let Tsyzu determine the split and accept it, provided it is fair.

Phillips was a perfectly legitimate opponent considering Hatton's track record up until that point. He DID come on strong against Mitchell or ... wait, maybe I'm mistaken and I'm living in the 'world according to Jose', I simply hallucinated the second half of that fight? Do not put words in my mouth.



Once again stop putting words in my mouth, I never once said world champions, i said ex-champs.

Does this ring any bells?:



Hence my need for you to define the word 'champion'.



What i said was, a win over Harris would garner credibility amongst the hardcore boxing fan bases, The casual fan who makes up the actual revenue for fights knows nothing about Harris, therefore beating him would do very little to raise his profile amongst that audience. In turn it would do very little to boost the demand for bigger fights.



I take it that sarcasm is above your station? The reference to hanging it over his mantlepiece was a remark intended to reflect my disdain towards belts in general i.e. all it would be good for is decoration.



Hopkins fought Carl Daniels post Tito and 4 wins later had beaten Oscar De La Hoya, THE biggest draw fighter in boxing outside of the heavyweight division. Now maybe Hopkins isn't a name that everyone in the world recognises, but that is more of a reflection on the popularity of the sport as opposed to Hopkins fame within it. Relatively speaking Hopkins has become one of the biggest names in the sport. Winky isn't quite as well known but you certainly cant compare Harris's obscurity to that of Winky Wright, who recently turned down $4 million to fight Tito.



You've got me there. I apologise. Even the dumbest of people dont deserve such ignorance.



HBO drew its highest audience figures for a heavyweight fight in over six years from Lewis/Klit. 3 of Vitali's last 4 fights were broadcast on HBO Pay-per-view. Your comparison of Vitali K to Harris in terms of notoriety is beyond dumb, it's ludicrous. The mere fact that VK has headlined a PPV card puts him on a completely different plane to Harris. Your attempt to use poor buy figures as an argument is paper thin as that has a higher implication moreso on the sport's mainstream demise as opposed to a fighter's popularity. Vitali isn't a great fighter but he's the best that we've got at the moment in the most popular division meaning that he's a KNOWN fighter.

Dont be so foolish.



You're not hearing me, I could easily imagine any of those fights on PPV. The fact that they wouldn't receive top billing is completely irrelevant as there isn't a fighter in the division capable of singlehandedly supporting a PPV card. My point was that those fighters' popularity would warrant the huge payroll required to match make between 2 of them on the undercard of a PPV.

If Harris were to meet any of those fighters it would be a draw to hardcore fans alone. The headline event would inevitably have to burden the weight of attraction. In order for Harris to appear on a PPV card he'd have to fight someone in the same situation as himself, unknown and willing to accept a 'reasonable' figure to fight him (regardless of their credentials.) for example m'baye, who met that criteria and fought Harris with third billing on the Mayorga/Forrest PPV.

You shouldn't expect popular fighters to accept low purses when they can generate far higher incomes from fighting guys of equal economic stature. It just doesn't happen. Even Cotto backed out of his fight with Harris.

Financially, Harris is a dud. For whatever reasons, he's failed to set the fans' imaginations alight. Dont get pis*ed off with Hatton because Harris doesn't pose an attractive proposition, get pis*ed off with your country for not fully appreciating one of it's champions.


The fact that you would even try and justify Vince Phillips as being a credabile opponent just shows how in love you are with Hatton.

No one is putting words in your mouth jr. When you use a term like "Ex-Champ" people just asume you mean a World Champion not some **** bag of an orginization the the IBA or WBU. Those belt donrt make you "Champion"

Here let me spell it out for you Champion= WBC, WBA, IBF. Now please go of on one of your dumbass rants about how belts dont mean anything to you.

I find it funny that you have stated time and time again how worthless the belts are, but refer to guys like Tackie and Olivera as "Ex-Champs" when it fits your cause.


You keep bringing up the casual fan as if people here even know who the **** Ricky Hatton is. As if casual boxing fans in America are gonna tune in to see a Ricky Hatton fight once they hear his name is on the bill.

Saying that a win over Vivian Harris would do little to boost demand for bigger fights is flat out laughable, but then again your entire stance on this isssue is aswell.

What does Bernard Hopkins fight DLH have to do with his drawing power?...Oh thats right not a damn thing.

please dont bother you've already shown me what kind of person you are and thats someone who would stoop as low as rascism the second there losing a debate.

3 of Vitali's last 4 fights on PPV you say? well thats news to me and anyone else who has HBO and the entire boxing world. He has had 1 fight on PPV and the rest have been on HBO Championship Boxing. Flex the boxing knowledge a little more killer.

I never said they were on the same level of poluarity I said niether were draws and guess what NIETHER ARE. Yes Vitali has headlined a PPV card and it was as big a failure as there has ever been in the history of the sport. By comparision MAB/Morales3 two jr Lightweights sold upwards of 350,000 PPV buys, sold out the arena and the man who is thought to be the best heavyweight in the world sold 150,000 with about 7,000 tickets sold and some web sites reporting that PPV figure to be closer to 80,000. Oh but that right he's such a big draw.


You're not hearing me, I could easily imagine any of those fights on PPV. The fact that they wouldn't receive top billing is completely irrelevant as there isn't a fighter in the division capable of singlehandedly supporting a PPV card. My point was that those fighters' popularity would warrant the huge payroll required to match make between 2 of them on the undercard of a PPV.


The-Dumbest-****ing-Statement you have made so far. You go on about how a match-up with Harris would get nothing and how a fight with Mayweather, Cotto, Mitchell or Gatti could be a PPV and now this ****??

Well if its not headlining a PPV then what does it matter? You think being on an undercard of a PPV means anything? Why dont you go look at the undercards of some of the latest PPV's.

Mayorga vs Forrest2 wasn't even a PPV kid. Jesus Christ do you think every fight shown in the states is a PPV?

The most popular fighter you guys have had you had in the past 10 years Naseem Hamed knew he had to come to America even if he could draw massive crowds by staying home. Do you know why he did that? becuase he along with everyone else in the sporting world knows if you can make it here than the money you will make will be 10x that of the money you are making now.

Hatton is content to be a big fish in a small pond and his fans are foolish for buying it.

Upon reading that the Tszyu-Hatton superfight has appparently fallen through, WBA super lightweight king "Vicious" Vivian Harris has spoken on the subject. "Kostya did the right thing. As a fellow world champion, he has earned his way to the top. He should be respected. I understand completely how he feels, as Warren/Hatton showed the same disrespect to me and my belt in negotiations earlier this year" said the 26-year-old champion. "Kostya deserves that kind of money, and at 35 years of age, he's paid his dues. Let me take care of Hatton first, as we're both 26, I have the world title already, Hatton should fight me now and Warren should show champions some respect, he can't protect Hatton forever and at this rate he's damaging Hatton's reputation. People are laughing at Hatton over here (USA). Kostya is a true champion and I respect him, I'd love to fight him and I am willing to go through Hatton first. The winner of Harris-Hatton can fight Tsyzu in a unification superfight" Harris also said he'd fight Hatton in Manchester for a third of what Tszyu turned down (reportedly Tszyu turned down a $5 million offer). "Just get the money right, and I'll go right into Ricky's backyard and fight him, I'd even fight him in his living room, if Warren shows a little respect."
Thursday, December 30 2004


Harris is cool.

fights in europe mean nothing...until they come to america and beat some real competiton

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Harris turned down $750K to fight Hatton and now he says he'll fight him for a third of the $5m offered to Tszyu which works out at over $1.6m. Who the fcuk does Vivian Harris think he is asking for $1.6m for a fight?? Bear in mind that Harris' hightest payday to date is $350K for fighting in Germany. If Harris was willing to fight in Germany TWICE for $350K then he's a joke for calling Ricky Hatton scared after he turned down $750K to fight Hatton. Harris should realise that he has very few actual fans and this is where a money is generated. Harris is a joke for the way he's acted and talked about Hatton.

Hatton is content to be a big fish in a small pond and his fans are foolish for buying it.

Hatton has said many times that he will fight anyone, anywhere. Thats not debatable. He wants to fight the best, the real world champion Kostya Tszyu instead of just being happy with a belt. The reason the Tszyu fought is being talked about for Manchester is because thats where the money is for this fight. There is little attraction and Money for the fight in the states so the only options are Australia and Manchester where over 20,000 seats would be sold without a problem. Showtime turned down Australia as a venue due to time differences being too great so Manchester is the only option available for the fight. If the money was available foe the fight in the US then Ricky would be there 100%. Also its funny how Tszyu has turned down an offer which is 3 times his highest ever purse! Really sounds like Kostya thinks Ricky would be an easy fight!

Hatton is content to be a big fish in a small pond and his fans are foolish for buying it.

I dont think Hattons content, he's had public bust ups with Warren about the situation. The only people content with the situation are the part time boxing fans who dont care who Hatton fights, i wouldnt be suprised if Warren's more content with the situation than anyone.

Gotta love all these "world champions" who are treated like Gods in the States but who actually never travel the world too. When the Gatti's, Mayweather's, De La Hoya's, etc of the world start traveling to other countries (and I don't think for a second they should if they can get better deals in the States) then maybe then there is an argument about Ricky Hatton or any British fighter not travelling. Until then, it's garbage.

Gotta love these Euro's fans who think they matter.

Listen when the best fighters in the world start fighting in another country then we'll see out champions go over seas until then you come to us.

waaaaa waaaaa waaaaaaaaa

Gotta love these Euro's fans who think they matter.

Listen when the best fighters in the world start fighting in another country then we'll see out champions go over seas until then you come to us.

waaaaa waaaaa waaaaaaaaa

Your such an ******* sometimes Jose, i admit your a funny ******* but still an ******* all the same!! :p :D

Your such an ******* sometimes Jose, i admit your a funny ******* but still an ******* all the same!! :p :D

*wipes tear away*

finally somebody who gets me*snif*

*wipes tear away*

finally somebody who gets me*snif*

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You cant fool everyone that easily, your still Jose behind them tears!!

Did that even make sense?

Just for the record - James Toney had verbals with both Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn who were by far the best super middleweights in the world at the time and had just sold out Old Trafford (can't remember it's capacity at the time but it was around 55,000) so were clearly huge draws and yet he was nowhere to be seen when that fight was to be made. Where was he when Steve Collins and Joe Calzaghe owned that division too?


As for Europeans not travelling, Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitchsko ring any bells? And where's that lad Eastman who Bernard Hopkins is fighting next from again? Hamed and McCullough were no strangers to the States either.

Did that even make sense?

Just for the record - James Toney had verbals with both Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn who were by far the best super middleweights in the world at the time and had just sold out Old Trafford (can't remember it's capacity at the time but it was around 55,000) so were clearly huge draws and yet he was nowhere to be seen when that fight was to be made. Where was he when Steve Collins and Joe Calzaghe owned that division too?


As for Europeans not travelling, Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitchsko ring any bells? And where's that lad Eastman who Bernard Hopkins is fighting next from again? Hamed and McCullough were no strangers to the States either.

please go take boxing101 before you post stupid **** like that.

No Steve Collins and Nigel Benn were never considered better than James Toney or Roy Jones, so NO I guess they weren't by far the best in the world in that division. Joe Calzaghe is on top of the division now and James Toney would be...would be?...would be?...Oh thats right AT HEAVYWEIGHT. Hell James Toney aint been a supper middleweight since 94.

Who the hell said anything about Euro's not travaling? thats right no one said that. As a matter of fact if you had actually paid attention to this thread you would see Jose mention Lennox Lewis and Naseem Hamed as examples of European fighters coming overseas. The topic is not Ero fighters its Rickky Hatton.

Refering to yourself in the third person? LOL

Putz

Refering to yourself in the third person? LOL

Putz


wow what a responce that was. my god you really put me in my place didn't ya

Did that even make sense?

Just for the record - James Toney had verbals with both Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn who were by far the best super middleweights in the world at the time and had just sold out Old Trafford (can't remember it's capacity at the time but it was around 55,000) so were clearly huge draws and yet he was nowhere to be seen when that fight was to be made. Where was he when Steve Collins and Joe Calzaghe owned that division too?


As for Europeans not travelling, Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitchsko ring any bells? And where's that lad Eastman who Bernard Hopkins is fighting next from again? Hamed and McCullough were no strangers to the States either.

I vaguely remember the words Toney had with Benn/Eubank and he was telling them how he'd fight them now and get his gun and **** em up and stuff. Somewhat childish but hey it's JT. Toney would have beaten both of those fighters at supermiddle however. But Steve Collins and Calzaghe??? please.... :rolleyes:

Hell James Toney aint been a supper middleweight since 94.

If he went on a diet he could still make middleweight, never mind Super middle!! :D

No one is putting words in your mouth jr. When you use a term like "Ex-Champ" people just asume you mean a World Champion not some **** bag of an orginization the the IBA or WBU. Those belt donrt make you "Champion"

No doubt. I referred to them as ex-champs instead of repeatedly typing both of their names out in full (shorthand, if you will). The fact that you've latched onto a minor quibble pretty much sums up your argument thus far - avoiding major 'related' issues, whilst concentrating on the minor details.


You keep bringing up the casual fan as if people here even know who the **** Ricky Hatton is. As if casual boxing fans in America are gonna tune in to see a Ricky Hatton fight once they hear his name is on the bill.

Hatton has more pull with HBO than Harris, true or false Jose? Oh, and before I hear some bullsh*t Hal-Jose-nation, the answer is yes, Hatton would be a preferable slot any day of the week, just look at the figures.

What does Bernard Hopkins fight DLH have to do with his drawing power?...Oh thats right not a damn thing.

Jose, Jose, Jose ... we aren't thinking before we're typing. Although this is getting way off track from the original argument, it's an issue that you've raised and it's an issue that you're floundering with. Oscar De La Hoya was the sport's golden goose, are you telling me that Hopkins' profile wasn't raised through that victory??

This is another example of your perfectly circular little fu*king thought process. Of course his profile was raised. It matters not that it was a complete mismatch in the eyes of those in the know, it still hoisted Hopkins further into the mainstream light. To deny that is idiocy, sheer and true.

please dont bother you've already shown me what kind of person you are and thats someone who would stoop as low as rascism the second there losing a debate.

Losing the debate? LOL ... buddy, you've sidestepped and ignored almost everything I've been saying in order to nitpick. Your tunnel vision and apparent lack of any rudimentary intelligence dictated the tone of conversation that I adopted. I should't have called you Pedro though, it's not your ethnicity that's at fault, it's your ability to reason and comprehend. I should have used something like 'Dufus' or 'Retard', my bad.

3 of Vitali's last 4 fights on PPV you say? well thats news to me and anyone else who has HBO and the entire boxing world. He has had 1 fight on PPV and the rest have been on HBO Championship Boxing. Flex the boxing knowledge a little more killer.

Yes, yes ... you're right, I checked (as we dont get HBO in the UK) only 1 of his last 4 fights was actually HBO PPV, you're right, Harris IS a bigger draw than Vitali Klitschko!! pffff! This is what I'm talking about when I say that you nitpick around issues. The argument that you were trying to make was that Klitschko wasn't a draw (in relation to Harris), which is ridiculous, which you already know.

I may be misinformed about details, you on the other hand are straight up deluded.

Mayorga vs Forrest2 wasn't even a PPV kid. Jesus Christ do you think every fight shown in the states is a PPV?

Again, details. If you look at the argument at hand, that Harris isn't a big enough draw for Hatton, then you've just aided my argument, I'd mistakenly credited Harris with an appearance on a PPV card. As you've just pointed out, he got (third) billing on a non-PPV card. Wow, he couldn't even headline a televised bout on regular HBO. The boy's on fire!

The most popular fighter you guys have had you had in the past 10 years Naseem Hamed knew he had to come to America even if he could draw massive crowds by staying home. Do you know why he did that? becuase he along with everyone else in the sporting world knows if you can make it here than the money you will make will be 10x that of the money you are making now.

You're absolutely correct. What you fail to mention however is that the fighters' that Naz travelled Stateside to fight were popular fighters within the States, Harris isn't (How many times am I going to have to reiterate that point before you comprehend it's meaning???).

It's inevitable that Hatton will eventually have to fight Stateside. You aren't enlightening me as to the way that the fu*king game works here. Harris doesn't have the luxury of commanding that option though as he doesn't have any pull Stateside, whereas Ricky has immense pull in the UK, enough so to sell out an entire arena. Why would Hatton knowingly offer up an advantage to Harris at personal financial expense to himself? Hatton calls the shots, which is the jist of this entire argument. The fact that Harris holds a belt is subsidiary to his economic status.

Now if we're talking about Cotto, Mayweather or Gatti then it's a different story. In those scenarios, Hatton may well find himself in the position of having to travel to make those fights happen. If he doesn't have to travel and those fights can still be made and televised by a US channel then that's fine by me, but Hatton wont have that option as those fighters are greater attractions Stateside than he is, once again though, Harris isn't.

Hatton is content to be a big fish in a small pond and his fans are foolish for buying it.

Yeah, shooting for a Tszyu fight was a cowardly, insular move ... right? I mean, after all, Tszyu isn't what he once was, Mitchell was shot right? He's over the hill ... right? past his prime like Phillips, Tackie et al ... right Jose?

Of course in the United States of Jose, Vivian Harris would have been the braver option.

Do I give a fu*k about how you perceive Hatton? No. All that I personally care about is that Hatton starts fighting the best. This argument hasn't been about my own personal designs on his path or whether Harris deserves a shot at Hatton or vice versa, it's been about whether or not Hatton should fight Harris as opposed to taking on Tszyu and the other known fighters. What you've consistently failed to admit to is that Harris isn't a necessity on Hatton's path to glory or downfall. Harris is a fighter in obscurity looking for a breakthrough fight from which to launch his career on a 'profitable' path.

If Hatton fights any of the upper echelon light-welters home OR away and wins, he WILL become a bigger attraction Stateside, he WILL be propelled into bigger fights on the back of those wins (if they come), whether he fights Harris or not.

Hatton at 26 is coming into his prime, and 2005 will be the year he either silences his critics or falls from grace, one way or the other, you WILL see him in there with a live opponent. If June/July rolls around and Hatton has yet to face one of the top guns then your big fish/little pond analogy hits paydirt.

After this merry little jaunt around your obtuse little mind, I'd now actually prefer to see a fight with Harris materialise instead of Tszyu.

Let's hear a prediction Jose, Harris/Hatton? (or shouldn't i even bother to ask).

If the Tszyu fight has really fallen through, then it'll probably either be Harris or Cotto.

Think about what you're saying, if Hatton was being overly protected then why the fu*k would he be going after the Tszyu fight like a dog after a bone, considering he's the toughest nut to crack outta the light welters.

If anything Tszyu doesn't want to fight Hatton because he doesn't want to end up like Jones, undermotivated to the point of apathy and subsequently defeat.

Harris may prove awkward, but he's not the underrated dark horse he's been made out to be. He's a very ordinary fighter with little or no flair as an attraction. This boy's gonna cry wolf until he gets his ass burnt for a tidy little cheque by either Cotto or Hatton.

dude, u are such a deluded fan.
Warren neva would put Hatton in the ring with Tszyu.
All that bull**** about wanting to fight Tszyu is all publicity.

No doubt. I referred to them as ex-champs instead of repeatedly typing both of their names out in full (shorthand, if you will). The fact that you've latched onto a minor quibble pretty much sums up your argument thus far - avoiding major 'related' issues, whilst concentrating on the minor details.




Hatton has more pull with HBO than Harris, true or false Jose? Oh, and before I hear some bullsh*t Hal-Jose-nation, the answer is yes, Hatton would be a preferable slot any day of the week, just look at the figures.



Jose, Jose, Jose ... we aren't thinking before we're typing. Although this is getting way off track from the original argument, it's an issue that you've raised and it's an issue that you're floundering with. Oscar De La Hoya was the sport's golden goose, are you telling me that Hopkins' profile wasn't raised through that victory??

This is another example of your perfectly circular little fu*king thought process. Of course his profile was raised. It matters not that it was a complete mismatch in the eyes of those in the know, it still hoisted Hopkins further into the mainstream light. To deny that is idiocy, sheer and true.



Losing the debate? LOL ... buddy, you've sidestepped and ignored almost everything I've been saying in order to nitpick. Your tunnel vision and apparent lack of any rudimentary intelligence dictated the tone of conversation that I adopted. I should't have called you Pedro though, it's not your ethnicity that's at fault, it's your ability to reason and comprehend. I should have used something like 'Dufus' or 'Retard', my bad.



Yes, yes ... you're right, I checked (as we dont get HBO in the UK) only 1 of his last 4 fights was actually HBO PPV, you're right, Harris IS a bigger draw than Vitali Klitschko!! pffff! This is what I'm talking about when I say that you nitpick around issues. The argument that you were trying to make was that Klitschko wasn't a draw (in relation to Harris), which is ridiculous, which you already know.

I may be misinformed about details, you on the other hand are straight up deluded.



Again, details. If you look at the argument at hand, that Harris isn't a big enough draw for Hatton, then you've just aided my argument, I'd mistakenly credited Harris with an appearance on a PPV card. As you've just pointed out, he got (third) billing on a non-PPV card. Wow, he couldn't even headline a televised bout on regular HBO. The boy's on fire!



You're absolutely correct. What you fail to mention however is that the fighters' that Naz travelled Stateside to fight were popular fighters within the States, Harris isn't (How many times am I going to have to reiterate that point before you comprehend it's meaning???).

It's inevitable that Hatton will eventually have to fight Stateside. You aren't enlightening me as to the way that the fu*king game works here. Harris doesn't have the luxury of commanding that option though as he doesn't have any pull Stateside, whereas Ricky has immense pull in the UK, enough so to sell out an entire arena. Why would Hatton knowingly offer up an advantage to Harris at personal financial expense to himself? Hatton calls the shots, which is the jist of this entire argument. The fact that Harris holds a belt is subsidiary to his economic status.

Now if we're talking about Cotto, Mayweather or Gatti then it's a different story. In those scenarios, Hatton may well find himself in the position of having to travel to make those fights happen. If he doesn't have to travel and those fights can still be made and televised by a US channel then that's fine by me, but Hatton wont have that option as those fighters are greater attractions Stateside than he is, once again though, Harris isn't.



Yeah, shooting for a Tszyu fight was a cowardly, insular move ... right? I mean, after all, Tszyu isn't what he once was, Mitchell was shot right? He's over the hill ... right? past his prime like Phillips, Tackie et al ... right Jose?

Of course in the United States of Jose, Vivian Harris would have been the braver option.

Do I give a fu*k about how you perceive Hatton? No. All that I personally care about is that Hatton starts fighting the best. This argument hasn't been about my own personal designs on his path or whether Harris deserves a shot at Hatton or vice versa, it's been about whether or not Hatton should fight Harris as opposed to taking on Tszyu and the other known fighters. What you've consistently failed to admit to is that Harris isn't a necessity on Hatton's path to glory or downfall. Harris is a fighter in obscurity looking for a breakthrough fight from which to launch his career on a 'profitable' path.

If Hatton fights any of the upper echelon light-welters home OR away and wins, he WILL become a bigger attraction Stateside, he WILL be propelled into bigger fights on the back of those wins (if they come), whether he fights Harris or not.

Hatton at 26 is coming into his prime, and 2005 will be the year he either silences his critics or falls from grace, one way or the other, you WILL see him in there with a live opponent. If June/July rolls around and Hatton has yet to face one of the top guns then your big fish/little pond analogy hits paydirt.

After this merry little jaunt around your obtuse little mind, I'd now actually prefer to see a fight with Harris materialise instead of Tszyu.

Let's hear a prediction Jose, Harris/Hatton? (or shouldn't i even bother to ask).

Somebody get this kid a straight jacket. Jesus Christ.

*ahem*

This is just too funny. I love how he refers to me pointing out all the times that he was wrong as "nit picking".


this is a good one
I referred to them as ex-champs instead of repeatedly typing both of their names out in full (shorthand, if you will).


Ahh yes uh...uh yes well uh instead of typing out the names of the two men I referend to them as "ex-champs" kinda like short hand. Even thought neither were champions I just thought I should..uh...uh refer to them as champions cause uh...uh...

Hatton has as much pull with HBO as I do considering they hate Frank Warren and even Showtime has pretty much refused to put him on anymore until he steps up. Neitherone of them has any pull with that network.

Is Bernard Hopkins a big draw in the boxing world?...The answer would be NO. To say he is just shows how little you know about the sport.

Funny I dont ever remember saying Harris was a bigger draw than Vitali. This is what its come to kid? just resorting to making stuff up out of the blue?

Are you telling me Vitali is a big draw? cause you know I have ticket sales and PPV buys that say otherwise here.

in my best "Hayfan"
Vitali is a big draw he's headlined tons on PPV fights 3 of his last 4 have been on PPV

Jose: No he's only headlined 1 PPV and the numbers show it was one of the biggest failures in boxing history

Hayfan: Stop Nit picking waaaaaa waaaaaaaaa

Im sorry just where do you think a Ricky Hatton fight would apear on a card that featured Forrest/Mayorga2 and Judah vs Corley?...Oh thats right 3rd.

Naz coming here to fight guys popular in the States you say? you mean like Augie Sanchez? I mean cause he was a household name or maybe you were talking about the wildy popular Cesar Soto? I hear women actually trow panties at Cesar Soto when he's coming to the ring he's so widly popular, oh oh oh wait you must be talking about that mega star Wayne McCullough yeah thats it Wayne McCullough.


Funny I also dont remember saying Harris was popular here in the States...again just more shamelessy making stuff up*shakes head*

If by "shooting for a Tszyu fight" you mean making a laughable offer to an all time great World Champion and wanting the fight in Manchester. Then yes he's shooting for a Tszyu fight.

you just flat out dont get this do you? You either dont get it, dont want to get or have your head so far up Ricky Hatton's ass you get it, but a re just to stubborn to admit it.

WHO GIVES A **** IF HE CAN SELL OUT AN ARENA. You know what that makes him? Eruopes answer to Joe Mesi thats what.

No my big fish/little pond analogy has already come true. Do you know why? because Hatton has been a pro for what 7 years and has almost 40 pro fights and has yet to do ANYTHING worth mentioning.

Look who he's fought recently for Christ sakes.

Joe Hutchinson was destroyed one year erlier by Teddy Reid

Vince Phillips was ancient and was beaten up by Mitchell in his fight before Hatton

Ben Tackie was coming off back to back losses

Carlos Vilches had just lost to Mitchell

Mike Stewart was beaten to death by Mitchell right before Hatton fought him

Ray Olivera hadn't even fought at 140 since like 2001. He was also coming off an ass whoopin at the hands of thew very ordinary Elio Ortiz

These are all his most recent fights!?!?! Are you noticing a pattern? each one of them all took a sever ass whooping right before Hatton's people chose them as an opponent. What kind of fighter does that?

Who wins is not what this is about. but just to show you what I think. Its a toss up fight in my opinion. I think I would tip Harris late, but either man can win.

Why dont you tell Hatton to grow a pair of balls, stop fighting Sharmba leftover, Come up from under Frank Warren's skirt, Stop making empty offers, buy a ****ing plane ticket and fight someone with a PULSE when he does all that then you can get back to me.

Oh yeah tell his pasty ass to get some sun too he hurts my eyes.

dude, u are such a deluded fan.
Warren neva would put Hatton in the ring with Tszyu.
All that bull**** about wanting to fight Tszyu is all publicity.

R u joking? Deluded fan, WTF!?!?

The guys just stating his opinion and the post has valid points.

If Hayefan is deluded then so are you, Warren made his plans clear, we know for a fact he spoken with Tszyu's promoter because they both confirm it, we know the Tsyzu camp is aware of the possible fight and we know showtime have given the go ahead!! So Hayefan has got a good foundation for his opinion but your assuming that Warren is a liar, why do you think he's pulling a stunt?

Jose vs Hayefan should be PPV

Im pretty much done with this thread now. He's just a fanboy.

Im pretty much done with this thread now. He's just a fanboy.

You rise to it Jose, i bet you'll be back when he writes another post!!

your many things but not a quitter!!

You rise to it Jose, i bet you'll be back when he writes another post!!

your many things but not a quitter!!

The only people who think his points are valid are other Hatton nuthuggers. The guy has just resorted to making **** up now.

The only people who think his points are valid are other Hatton nuthuggers. The guy has just resorted to making **** up now.

I must be a Hatton nuthugger, maybe i'm a Harris nuthugger too because i think your points are valid too, except the this euro **** your writing, arent you French or is Tino taking the piss.

I must be a Hatton nuthugger, maybe i'm a Harris nuthugger too because i think your points are valid too, except the this euro **** your writing, arent you French or is Tino taking the piss.


I dont know what "Taking the piss" means, but no...no im not French.

I dont know what "Taking the piss" means, but no...no im not French.

i m sure my fellow french jabsrstiff and jose are gonna enjoy it

It means joking, he's said your French a couple of times.

Your such an ******* sometimes Jose, i admit your a funny ******* but still an ******* all the same!! :p :D

I consider him more of a smartass, which is what I love about him the most! ;) He's pretty good at it and I have a peculiar appreciation for that :confused:

I consider him more of a smartass, which is what I love about him the most! ;) He's pretty good at it and I have a peculiar appreciation for that :confused:

******* and smartass are about the same, both think there better than everyone and often have mood swings.

Jose is cool though, i know he'll give me abuse in the future but you have to laugh. :D

******* and smartass are about the same, both think there better than everyone and often have mood swings.

Jose is cool though, i know he'll give me abuse in the future but you have to laugh. :D

Ooohhh, I've always considered the two completely different; and I dont like *******s! They do think theyre better than everyone else, etc...and are just unplesant to be around. However, a smartass can be quite funny and sometimes even make fun of themselves. ;) Thats why I dont consider him an *******, but a definate smartass :D

Ooohhh, I've always considered the two completely different; and I dont like *******s! They do think theyre better than everyone else, etc...and are just unplesant to be around. However, a smartass can be quite funny and sometimes even make fun of themselves. ;) Thats why I dont consider him an *******, but a definate smartass :D

I suppose your right, Jose can be smartass for now and i'll call him an ******* on special occasions. :)

I suppose your right, Jose can be smartass for now and i'll call him an ******* on special occasions. :)

There ya go!! That works too ;) I'm trying to send karma...I must have sent to you, Jose and a few others recently or something?? :confused:

There ya go!! That works too ;) I'm trying to send karma...I must have sent to you, Jose and a few others recently or something?? :confused:

You sent it me a couple of days ago.

You sent it me a couple of days ago.

Yeah, thats right...I've not been logged on much since (busy, busy!!!) so I've yet to spread it around more :o

You sent it me a couple of days ago.

I just banked what you sent (and many thanks :) )..I've got a few things to do before the Steelers play ball but after the game I'll log back on and spread it around and get back to ya! ;) (One of those rare occasions when my boys will be playing on one of my channels...few and far between chances to watch them play! :( )

Somebody get this kid a straight jacket. Jesus Christ.

*ahem*

This is just too funny. I love how he refers to me pointing out all the times that he was wrong as "nit picking".



Easy tiger, being right about minor details, but wrong about the big picture doesn't make you 'right'. Like I said, nitpicking is just that, So Klitschko had only headlined 1 PPV as opposed to 3, the core issue of that argument was based around whether Harris was comparable to Vitali K in terms of public notice. If Harris was worth more than a shake of the co*k to the US viewership you might have had more credibility behind your conviction that I had shown error both in my facts as well as argument. I'm sure you'd still have me strung up irrespective of the validity of my points, i.e. the big picture.


Ahh yes uh...uh yes well uh instead of typing out the names of the two men I referend to them as "ex-champs" kinda like short hand. Even thought neither were champions I just thought I should..uh...uh refer to them as champions cause uh...uh...

Dearie me, did it take you rephrasing what I'd said in order to penetrate that square point through your round fu*king head!? LOL


Hatton has as much pull with HBO as I do considering they hate Frank Warren and even Showtime has pretty much refused to put him on anymore until he steps up. Neitherone of them has any pull with that network.

There you go again, stroking that pig sized fu*king ego of yours. Fella, bottom line - Harris doesn't have as much appeal to the TV guys as Hatton does, as we speak. Trying to malign a fighter's popularity because of his shoddy management and tremulous relationship with the financial big guns doesn't compare to defending a fighter who has credible victories (in your eyes) under his belt and is a champion of at least equal stature, being all but ignored by his own people. Dont put Ricky in the same bag as Harris, he's clearly got more appeal. Even if his appeal lies in an American audience's desire to see him get his comeupance, that's still better than having none at all.

Is Bernard Hopkins a big draw in the boxing world?...The answer would be NO. To say he is just shows how little you know about the sport.

Funny I dont ever remember saying Harris was a bigger draw than Vitali. This is what its come to kid? just resorting to making stuff up out of the blue?

Are you telling me Vitali is a big draw? cause you know I have ticket sales and PPV buys that say otherwise here.

Making stuff up? Lets see shall we, here's what you had to say back then:

You need to get it through your thick Ricky Hatton nuthugging skull. Just because a fighter is not a draw does not mean that he's not good. Bernard Hopkins is not a draw I guess he sucks too huh, Same with Winky Wright, Hell lets throw Vitali in that mix too.

No, you didn't say that he was literally a bigger draw than Klitschko, but you used Klitschko as an example of a fighter who was good, but not a big draw. The fighters mentioned are ALL above Harris's monetary appeal, way above, different fu*king time zones baby.

You can quote ticket sales and PPV buys 'til the cows come home, the fact that he ever got to the stage of warranting PPV consideration makes him incomparable to Harris.

I think you've mistaken 'making stuff up' with 'Failing to bend towards your way of thinking or none at all'.

in my best "Hayfan"
Vitali is a big draw he's headlined tons on PPV fights 3 of his last 4 have been on PPV

Jose: No he's only headlined 1 PPV and the numbers show it was one of the biggest failures in boxing history

Hayfan: Stop Nit picking waaaaaa waaaaaaaaa.

That's a nice little delusion ya got going there. It's kind of trippy reading you impersonating me from a 'you' bias LOL

If only I could impersonate myself winning the Lottery We'd both be better off! It doesn't work that way sunshine.

Im sorry just where do you think a Ricky Hatton fight would apear on a card that featured Forrest/Mayorga2 and Judah vs Corley?...Oh thats right 3rd.

Naz coming here to fight guys popular in the States you say? you mean like Augie Sanchez? I mean cause he was a household name or maybe you were talking about the wildy popular Cesar Soto? I hear women actually trow panties at Cesar Soto when he's coming to the ring he's so widly popular, oh oh oh wait you must be talking about that mega star Wayne McCullough yeah thats it Wayne McCullough.

Hatton wouldn't have featured on that card, there was enough appeal in Forrest, Mayorga and Judah to make the sale, If Hatton would have featured it wouldn't have been against tough opposition. That's sort of 'it' in a nutshell, It would depend on the opposition as to where he'd appear and on which card. Harris had to take on the pretty skillful m'baye and lump it.

Now, the Naz reference. Why dont you ask the TV people why they chose to air those fights against less well known opposition? Those fights would have taken place in the UK had America not shelled out the money to see them.

If by "shooting for a Tszyu fight" you mean making a laughable offer to an all time great World Champion and wanting the fight in Manchester. Then yes he's shooting for a Tszyu fight.

No, this wont do. Shooting for a Tszyu fight by reaching an agreement with Tszyu's manager. How could Hatton's people have bargained with anyone but Wharton and forseen Pacman's shoddy manager cutting in. Although I'll add to that, Hatton was a part of the 'new' management's plans, albeit in Australia. A location that the American TV channels have stated previously as being 'no-go'.

you just flat out dont get this do you? You either dont get it, dont want to get or have your head so far up Ricky Hatton's ass you get it, but a re just to stubborn to admit it.

WHO GIVES A **** IF HE CAN SELL OUT AN ARENA. You know what that makes him? Eruopes answer to Joe Mesi thats what.

Better 'Europe's Mesi' than 'America's Harris'. Oh, and just because I dont conform to Jose's way of thinking, does't mean that I 'dont get it'.

No my big fish/little pond analogy has already come true. Do you know why? because Hatton has been a pro for what 7 years and has almost 40 pro fights and has yet to do ANYTHING worth mentioning.

Look who he's fought recently for Christ sakes.

Joe Hutchinson was destroyed one year erlier by Teddy Reid

Vince Phillips was ancient and was beaten up by Mitchell in his fight before Hatton

Ben Tackie was coming off back to back losses

Carlos Vilches had just lost to Mitchell

Mike Stewart was beaten to death by Mitchell right before Hatton fought him

Ray Olivera hadn't even fought at 140 since like 2001. He was also coming off an ass whoopin at the hands of thew very ordinary Elio Ortiz.

Hatton's still only 26, 2005 is going to be his make or break year credibility wise. You can throw as much scorn on Hatton's previous victories as you like, It doesn't change the fact that pauper-fu*king-Harris is still trying to lick the fat from another man's plate. Hatton has options on his plate, Harris doesn't, but you know a guy's gotta provide for his family, cant blame him for trying to muscle in on a little green.

Why dont you tell Hatton to grow a pair of balls, stop fighting Sharmba leftover, Come up from under Frank Warren's skirt, Stop making empty offers, buy a ****ing plane ticket and fight someone with a PULSE when he does all that then you can get back to me.

Oh yeah tell his pasty ass to get some sun too he hurts my eyes.

Oh, you'll get your wish there Jose. 2005 is lining up to be a great year. You've got Scott Harrison looking at a Barrera clash if the fight can be made, Calzaghe looking towards a meeting with either Tarver or Johnson and Hatton versus at least one of the elite.

You have reason to doubt, both Calzaghe and Hatton have just had a horrendus year of it, but that topic has garnered far too much attention for another bad year to go unnoticed. I think you'd be doing the British fans a great disservice if you think they'd idly continue to take an interest if our fighters continued to make mandatory defences against low level opposition. Especially after Hatton himself anounced to his fans, microphone in hand in the ring centre 'Next time, we go for the big one!'.

Hatton and (reluctantly) Warren have announced their interest in now taking on the best publicly. Past excuses have been made and accepted on behalf of the majority of British boxing fans, Hatton is well aware of his need to make a move this year.

The way you're pushing this, you'd think we were talking about Ottke and the German fans. Hatton makes his living from the British fans, dont think for a second that he'll continue to be lauded for long if he doesn't go through with it. British fighters have a long held reputation for losing at the last hurdle against world class opposition, it's what's expected more often than not. Hatton is a well established enough figure on these shores to not have to worry about a loss ending his bankability. Hatton knows that, his fans know that and until he has 2005 under his belt and only then will your analogy hold anything but light fu*king relief.

Im pretty much done with this thread now. He's just a fanboy.

... The world according to Jose has spoken!

I should expect no less from such an unconditional prick.

My god how deep am I in this kids head. That thread was a week old and had been left for dead.

My god how deep am I in this kids head. That thread was a week old and had been left for dead.

I normally like to keep posts short and sweet, but after writing a half-a-fu*king-novel in response to you, did you really think I was just gonna 'let it go'.

Left for dead or not, I'm not gonna take any of your sh*te without retorting, even if it does take me a few days to get back behind this computer.

You couldn't get inside of my head if you tried, this is an internet forum for Christ's sake! :rolleyes: I'd worry about anyone who took it too seriously. This is purely a matter of principle.

You've obviously formed your opinion of Hatton and have voiced it, failing to respond in kind would just be bad form.

I normally like to keep posts short and sweet, but after writing a half-a-fu*king-novel in reponse to you, did you really think I was just gonna 'let it go'.

Left for dead or not, I'm not gonna take any of your sh*te without retorting, even if it does take me a few days to get back behind this computer.

You couldn't get inside of my head if you tried, this is an internet forum for Christ's sake! :rolleyes: I'd worry about anyone who took it too seriously. This is purely a matter of principle.

You've obviously formed your opinion of Hatton and have voiced it, failing to respond in kind would just be bad form.


Oh you like to keep post short huh, I never woulda noticed. However I do have to give you credit you stand behind your fighter no matter how wrong you might be.

Great! Any minute now Frank Warren is going to contact Reeno to delete this thread.

Oh you like to keep post short huh, I never woulda noticed. However I do have to give you credit you stand behind your fighter no matter how wrong you might be.

Like I've kept on saying, 2005 will be the year Hatton makes his move. If not, I'm fairly sure that more people than you might think will stop beating his drum, myself included.

Like I've kept on saying, 2005 will be the year Hatton makes his move. If not, I'm fairly sure that more people than you might think will stop beating his drum, myself included.

I hope youre rigth about that..I really do. I'd like to see him step up and fight some difficult fighters, but he may have to come to America to do so. I realize in England he is #1 in the fan's eyes, and they love him enough that they feel everybody should be coming to him...however, over here in the states, he's just another well protected fighter that is supposed to have the goods, but has yet to prove it. I cant speak for everyone here, of course not, but I do think I'm speaking for the majority.

I hope youre rigth about that..I really do. I'd like to see him step up and fight some difficult fighters, but he may have to come to America to do so. I realize in England he is #1 in the fan's eyes, and they love him enough that they feel everybody should be coming to him...however, over here in the states, he's just another well protected fighter that is supposed to have the goods, but has yet to prove it. I cant speak for everyone here, of course not, but I do think I'm speaking for the majority.

How you doing Tracylee, i think i found your glasses!!

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You know i'm only joking mate :D

How you doing Tracylee, i think i found your glasses!!

http://www.wildshades.com/SGusaflag.gif

You know i'm only joking mate :D

Yeah, I know..besides, I wear contacts :p :D

Yeah, I know..besides, I wear contacts :p :D

I didnt know they made USA tinted contacts :p

I didnt know they made USA tinted contacts :p

I'm not exactly pro USA when it comes to fighters...I actually like more of the Mexicans. I just think, as you know, that Hatton needs to fight somewhere other than his own back yard before some of us will take his seriously (unless, of course, some of these big names go to England and Hatton beats them without any gifts from English judges) ;)

2005.

Hatton beats Tszyu.

Vivian Harris gets KTFO.


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