This article is on the homepage and it is interesting to hear that Teddy thinks Wlad doesn't have the drive, is weak in the heart and the head.

This is my main beef with Wlad, I would love to be a fan of his, but Teddy nailed it on the head about what I feel about Wlad. He just doen't have the desire to dominate. There can be no doubt that this man has all the physical tools, expect maybe not the greatest chin in the world but its not as bad as people say, he just doesn't have the inner intangibles.

This article is on the homepage and it is interesting to hear that Teddy thinks Wlad doesn't have the drive, is weak in the heart and the head.

This is my main beef with Wlad, I would love to be a fan of his, but Teddy nailed it on the head about what I feel about Wlad. He just doen't have the desire to dominate. There can be no doubt that this man has all the physical tools, expect maybe not the greatest chin in the world but its not as bad as people say, he just doesn't have the inner intangibles.

This isn't surprising Teddy feels the same way about European fighters as I feel about Roy Jones Jr.

Well done CITS. TOS will prove Atlas' hypothesis that Wlad has no future in the state of boxing. He has his doctorate, might as well use it before he gets permanently damaged in the ring if he continues to box.

This isn't surprising Teddy feels the same way about European fighters as I feel about Roy Jones Jr.

Please Explain?

This article is on the homepage and it is interesting to hear that Teddy thinks Wlad doesn't have the drive, is weak in the heart and the head.

This is my main beef with Wlad, I would love to be a fan of his, but Teddy nailed it on the head about what I feel about Wlad. He just doen't have the desire to dominate. There can be no doubt that this man has all the physical tools, expect maybe not the greatest chin in the world but its not as bad as people say, he just doesn't have the inner intangibles.


Wlad has already accomplished as much as Byrd did, which shows that he does have heart. Byrd does have heart, and so does Wlad.

Well done CITS. TOS will prove Atlas' hypothesis that Wlad has no future in the state of boxing. He has his doctorate, might as well use it before he gets permanently damaged in the ring if he continues to box.

Well I'm predicting a TOS victory but mainly because of the unexpected things have happened in boxing this year. All signs point to that Wlad should win, but for some odd reason I smell upset.

That's why the odds are the way they are; the bookies know something is amiss too.

He hates the European fighting style. Did you see how he downplayed Povetkin the whole Olympics? In case you don't know who Povetkin is, he won the gold medal at super heavyweight. Plus I have a tape of Wlad v. Jackson and him and Kellerman are basically downplaying Wlad the whole fight. Jackson goes onto land 0 punches in the whole first round, and Wlad KO's him in the 2nd round. Then Kellerman goes on and on about how this is boxing corruption at its worst and Altas basically agreed with him.

Wlad has already accomplished as much as Byrd did, which shows that he does have heart. Byrd does have heart, and so does Wlad.

Byrd has nothing to do with the topic, but if your referring to why I'm not a fan of Wlad, its because I think that Wlad has little or no heart. Besides accomplishments aren't based on how much heart you have.

You were right about one thing though, Byrd does have heart.

"I will no longer speak of decietful or hateful things of anybody."

Well that was shortlived. How does Wlad have no heart?

"I will no longer speak of decietful or hateful things of anybody."

Well that was shortlived. How does Wlad have no heart?

He quit against Purritty.

He hates the European fighting style. Did you see how he downplayed Povetkin the whole Olympics? In case you don't know who Povetkin is, he won the gold medal at super heavyweight. Plus I have a tape of Wlad v. Jackson and him and Kellerman are basically downplaying Wlad the whole fight. Jackson goes onto land 0 punches in the whole first round, and Wlad KO's him in the 2nd round. Then Kellerman goes on and on about how this is boxing corruption at its worst and Altas basically agreed with him.

Really? I think maybe its not so much hes downplaying the European fighting style, its that he is downplaying a robotic fighting style. Lets face it Wlad isn't the most technically profecient fighter. He does some things well but the man is robotic(his brother is more robotic than him though). I personally don't have a problem with Wlad's style, but I can see where a boxing purist would.

However your statement about Kellerman and Atlas, if true, is downright proposterous.

You are just discrediting yourself Zhen when you say stuff like that.

Really? I think maybe its not so much hes downplaying the European fighting style, its that he is downplaying a robotic fighting style. Lets face it Wlad isn't the most technically profecient fighter. He does some things well but the man is robotic(his brother is more robotic than him though). I personally don't have a problem with Wlad's style, but I can see where a boxing purist would.

However your statement about Kellerman and Atlas, if true, is downright proposterous.

Well you do what works for you. If Europeans were as athletic as many Americans are, they wouldn't have to fight like that. And yes everything about the Jackson fight is true.

its becuase europian fighters are soft to sweet... america has fighters that know how to box.. not fairys that know how to box

"I will no longer speak of decietful or hateful things of anybody."

Well that was shortlived. How does Wlad have no heart?

I was talking of my fellow posters. Besides if you think that saying somebody has no heart, is hateful nd decietful, than whatever. Its a matter of opinion.

The Lamon Brewster fight is a prime example of why I questioned Wlad's heart. He got tired from punching himself out took some punches from Brewster and went down, when he got up its like he didn't even care. He just sorta collapsed. When I saw the fight again I was like "Brewster barely hit him, was he was so tired that he couldn't get up, or show more grit?"

You wanna see an exhausted fighter, fighting his way through a similar situation go and watch Bowe-Holyfield 3. Thats what Wlad should have done, and its not like he was losing either, he was destroying Brewster, he couldn't gut it out? I think he could have.

Byrd has nothing to do with the topic, but if your referring to why I'm not a fan of Wlad, its because I think that Wlad has little or no heart. Besides accomplishments aren't based on how much heart you have.

You were right about one thing though, Byrd does have heart.


Wlad did beat Byrd, so he has heart too.

You are just discrediting yourself Zhen when you say stuff like that.

He did quit. What person can you say has heart when he outpunches himself and lets a journeyman like Purritty win like that?

Wlad quit. What does it officially say on the record?

"Corner stops fight"

Even though he didn't officially say it, his handlers said it for him.

A good rule in boxing: don't fall in love with a fighter, Neuraxis.

Wlad did beat Byrd, so he has heart too.

Wlad beat Byrd because Wlad is a 6'7 240 lbs. behemoth. He outweighed Byrd by more than 20 lbs. Byrd shows heart by actually taking fights with these monsters, I still don't see how Wlad showed heart. He beat up a smaller man, who really has no business being in the ring with someone that big.

Even the skillful Byrd has his limits.

Wlad beat Byrd because Wlad is a 6'7 240 lbs. behemoth. He outweighed Byrd by more than 20 lbs. Byrd shows heart by actually taking fights with these monsters, I still don't see how Wlad showed heart. He beat up a smaller man, who really has no business being in the ring with someone that big.

I think it is not fair. So Wlad is to blame for his height? That's new to me.

As for Byrd and Jirov (who is my most favorite fighter), I think they both are better off at light heavies or cruiserweight. If guys like that moved to cruisers, the cruiser division will be awesome.

I think it is not fair. So Wlad is to blame for his height? That's new to me.

As for Byrd and Jirov (who is my most favorite fighter), I think they both are better off at light heavies or cruiserweight. If guys like that moved to cruisers, the cruiser division will be awesome.

How are you getting these things out of what I'm saying? Wlad is what he is, he could be 10ft tall and have heart or 1ft tall and have heart. Size has nothing to do with Wlad's heart. The fact is that Wlad is a 6'7 240lbs man who beat up a small 213lbs man. Byrd should be commended for taking this fight, but your right he should fight at lighter weights.

I would like you to give me an example of where Wlad displayed heart, and don't even waste bandwidth by saying the Sanders fight. He got knocked down and got back up, thats what a fighter is supposed to do.

How are you getting these things out of what I'm saying? Wlad is what he is, he could be 10ft tall and have heart or 1ft tall and have heart. Size has nothing to do with Wlad's heart. The fact is that Wlad is a 6'7 240lbs man who beat up a small 213lbs man. Byrd should be commended for taking this fight, but your right he should fight at lighter weights.

I would like you to give me an example of where Wlad displayed heart, and don't even waste bandwidth by saying the Sanders fight. He got knocked down and got back up, thats what a fighter is supposed to do.


When he became the Olympic champion, obviously. At the time Wlad was a very tall but very skinny guy with no muscles (compared to me ;) ) who barely made it over 91k to be a super heavy.

How are you getting these things out of what I'm saying? .

I am sorry if you did not mean that :)

When he became the Olympic champion, obviously. At the time Wlad was a very tall but very skinny guy with no muscles (compared to me ;) ) who barely made it over 91k to be a super heavy.

What heart did he display to become Olympic champion, I'm missing the obvious part of that statement.

I'm starting to question of whether or not you know the boxing definition of the word heart.

What heart did he display to become Olympic champion, I'm missing the obvious part of that statement.

I'm starting to question of whether or not you know the boxing definition of the word heart.


Imagine that you have a LONG series of elimination fights you have to go through to win the Olympics. It must require some heart and guts to do that.

Imagine that you have a LONG series of elimination fights you have to go through to win the Olympics. It must require some heart and guts to do that.

You cannot seriously be suggesting olympic boxing is a showcase of heart. Olympic boxing is not even, IMO real boxing. Wlad won becasue he his huge with good offensive skills.

Have you seen Holyfield-Bowe 1? What Holyfield did,now thats heart. Have you seen Gatti-Ward 3, Gatti broke his hand yet gutted it out like the warrior he is.

You still haven't specifically cited a case where Wlad showed heart. You even generalized about Wlad's olympic victory, you assumed it took heart and guts.

Don't worry if you have trouble finding examples of Wlad's heart on display, becasue there aren't any as far as I know.

You cannot seriously be suggesting olympic boxing is a showcase of heart. Olympic boxing is not even, IMO real boxing. .

WTF



You still haven't specifically cited a case where Wlad showed heart. You even generalized about Wlad's olympic victory, you assumed it took heart and guts.
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I have seen his Olympic fights. I know what it took him to win. This is YOU who ASSUMES that he has no heart.

WTF





I have seen his Olympic fights. I know what it took him to win. This is YOU who ASSUMES that he has no heart.


Get back to me when you watch some fights where heart is on display. Pity-pat olympic boxing does not count.

Go ahead and find a real example of Wlad's heart. If his olympic boxing performance is your example, than I don't need to say anymore. That speaks for itself in terms of Wlad's heart.

Get back to me when you watch some fights where heart is on display. Pity-pat olympic boxing does not count.

Tell this to Ali, Roy, Merser, and Foreman. They'd kick your butt right away.

If his olympic boxing performance is your example, than I don't need to say anymore. That speaks for itself in terms of Wlad's heart.

In his losses he showed heart. He did not sit there like a pack of sand a-la Tyson, he tried to get up no matter what. This is heart. He may lack stamina, which given his size is hard to have, but you don't take his heart away. You have no heart for doing so. You have no heart.

Tell this to Ali, Roy, Merser, and Foreman. They'd kick your butt right away.



In his losses he showed heart. He did not sit there like a pack of sand a-la Tyson, he tried to get up no matter what. This is heart. He may lack stamina, which given his size is hard to have, but you don't take his heart away. You have no heart for doing so. You have no heart.

I have no heart,WOW, what does that even mean. I can see your getting desperate in your arguments. By the way getting up is what a fighter should do. And why are you bringing Tyson into the argument, he is old and shot, who busted up his knee, he has an exucuse. Wlad has had no excuses for his losses.

Well its obvious that we'll have to agree to disagree.

I have no heart,WOW, what does that even mean. I can see your getting desperate in your arguments. By the way getting up is what a fighter should do. And why are you bringing Tyson into the argument, he is old and shot, who busted up his knee, he has an exucuse. Wlad has had no excuses for his losses.

Well its obvious that we'll have to agree to disagree.

Lennox in his prime was flat on his back twice. He could have gotten up, but he did not. Wlad did get up knowing that he'd be beaten for sure, knowing that a wiser strategy for him would be to let himself counted out. Then noone would have accused him of having no heart. I really think that the "no heart" verdict is not well-intended on your part.

This article is on the homepage and it is interesting to hear that Teddy thinks Wlad doesn't have the drive, is weak in the heart and the head.

This is my main beef with Wlad, I would love to be a fan of his, but Teddy nailed it on the head about what I feel about Wlad. He just doen't have the desire to dominate. There can be no doubt that this man has all the physical tools, expect maybe not the greatest chin in the world but its not as bad as people say, he just doesn't have the inner intangibles.


pretty much what I have been saying. Wlad just doesn't have it inside him to be a champion, its no big secret. Everyone knows this execpt for hardcore fans of the brothers

pretty much what I have been saying. Wlad just doesn't have it inside him to be a champion, its no big secret. Everyone knows this execpt for hardcore fans of the brothers

Nope. Wlad will be the Champion.

He did quit. What person can you say has heart when he outpunches himself and lets a journeyman like Purritty win like that?

Wlad quit. What does it officially say on the record?

"Corner stops fight"

Even though he didn't officially say it, his handlers said it for him.

A good rule in boxing: don't fall in love with a fighter, Neuraxis.

Have you even seen the fight? I am going to say that the answer to that is an obvious no. Wlad's corner ran into the ring during the fight. Wlad had nothing to do with it.

How are you getting these things out of what I'm saying? Wlad is what he is, he could be 10ft tall and have heart or 1ft tall and have heart. Size has nothing to do with Wlad's heart. The fact is that Wlad is a 6'7 240lbs man who beat up a small 213lbs man. Byrd should be commended for taking this fight, but your right he should fight at lighter weights.

I would like you to give me an example of where Wlad displayed heart, and don't even waste bandwidth by saying the Sanders fight. He got knocked down and got back up, thats what a fighter is supposed to do.

True but fighters don't always do it.

Zhen heres a quarter let me buy you a clue

I was talking of my fellow posters. Besides if you think that saying somebody has no heart, is hateful nd decietful, than whatever. Its a matter of opinion.

The Lamon Brewster fight is a prime example of why I questioned Wlad's heart. He got tired from punching himself out took some punches from Brewster and went down, when he got up its like he didn't even care. He just sorta collapsed. When I saw the fight again I was like "Brewster barely hit him, was he was so tired that he couldn't get up, or show more grit?"

You wanna see an exhausted fighter, fighting his way through a similar situation go and watch Bowe-Holyfield 3. Thats what Wlad should have done, and its not like he was losing either, he was destroying Brewster, he couldn't gut it out? I think he could have.

You don't seem to know what heart means. Panicking has nothing to do with heart. Yes Wlad may have mental issues, and he may fight stupidly at times, but I don't see how this means that he has no heart.

Lennox in his prime was flat on his back twice. He could have gotten up, but he did not. Wlad did get up knowing that he'd be beaten for sure, knowing that a wiser strategy for him would be to let himself counted out. Then noone would have accused him of having no heart. I really think that the "no heart" verdict is not well-intended on your part.

I take it you dont know much about LL's fights then, 1st he did get up against M'call but the ref stopped it when Lewis wobbled forwards from the ropes, 2nd no way would any fighter have got up after getting nailed by a sweet right hand from Rahman, who by the way is a puncher...And 3rd how dare you compare Vlad to Lewis they are a universe away in skill and accomplishments, go away and read some boxing books then come back and post something thats factual and no more fantasy....

Lennox in his prime was flat on his back twice. He could have gotten up, but he did not. Wlad did get up knowing that he'd be beaten for sure, knowing that a wiser strategy for him would be to let himself counted out. Then noone would have accused him of having no heart. I really think that the "no heart" verdict is not well-intended on your part.

Lewis did get up against McCall but wasn't allowed to continue. He probably would have gone down again, but he did get up.

I take it you dont know much about LL's fights then, 1st he did get up against M'call but the ref stopped it when Lewis wobbled forwards from the ropes, 2nd no way would any fighter have got up after getting nailed by a sweet right hand from Rahman, who by the way is a puncher...And 3rd how dare you compare Vlad to Lewis they are a universe away in skill and accomplishments, go away and read some boxing books then come back and post something thats factual and no more fantasy....

I was not implying LL had no heart. My point was that Wlad has heart. I have the right to compare Wlad to LL.

Lewis did get up against McCall but wasn't allowed to continue. He probably would have gone down again, but he did get up.


I only saw Rahman-LL. I was wrong about McCall-LL.

I go away and read some boxing books then come back and post something thats factual and no more fantasy....

and you go jump to a lake ... to freshen up

**** olympic boxing, that system is built so that americans have little chance to dominate. They virtually eliminate body punching, and that scoring system is ****ed up. They dont count power punching, knockouts and actual style dont mean ****, just land a few pity/paddy punches to the head and your set. **** olympic boxing, most of those europeans who dominated wouldnt stand a chance in an actual boxing match that requires and covers all facades of boxing that includes the above things i mentioned above. The only good thing about olympic boxing is that cubans can actually get a chance to shine, since they cant even turn pro.

**** olympic boxing, that system is built so that americans have little chance to dominate.


When Ali, Foreman, Mercer, RJJ, Byrd, Holyfield, Ward, J.Taylor and other brilliant American fighters fought they did dominate squarely in the Olympics.

When you say "**** olympic boxing" you insult THEM in the first place.

You don't seem to know what heart means. Panicking has nothing to do with heart. Yes Wlad may have mental issues, and he may fight stupidly at times, but I don't see how this means that he has no heart.

Panicking? Please explain.

I take it you dont know much about LL's fights then, 1st he did get up against M'call but the ref stopped it when Lewis wobbled forwards from the ropes, 2nd no way would any fighter have got up after getting nailed by a sweet right hand from Rahman, who by the way is a puncher...And 3rd how dare you compare Vlad to Lewis they are a universe away in skill and accomplishments, go away and read some boxing books then come back and post something thats factual and no more fantasy....

Amen brother!

Amen brother!


Hey, I think you should change your name to ChrisistheAnswer.

I think you are really creating a bad image for christian religion, to which orthodox branch I belong.

You have a hateful heart, i.e. no heart, and I hope one day you will realize that.

Hey, I think you should change your name to ChrisistheAnswer.

I think you are really creating a bad image for christian religion, to which orthodox branch I belong.

You have a hateful heart, i.e. no heart, and I hope one day you will realize that.

You have taken this beyond boxing talk. You are obviously angry that people are talking bad of your fighter, and don't know how to deal with it. So you try to insult me and try to tear down my religious beliefs. If you do not like what I'm saying than fine, than argue with me about it, in boxing talk. How dare you bring religion into it, you should be ashmamed for being so petty and childish.

If you cannot stand the heat get out of the kitchen. However I do not hold anything against you and I forgive you for your comments.

God Bless,

CITA

I take it you dont know much about LL's fights then, 1st he did get up against M'call but the ref stopped it when Lewis wobbled forwards from the ropes, 2nd no way would any fighter have got up after getting nailed by a sweet right hand from Rahman, who by the way is a puncher...And 3rd how dare you compare Vlad to Lewis they are a universe away in skill and accomplishments, go away and read some boxing books then come back and post something thats factual and no more fantasy....

I take it you dont know much about Corrie Sanders fights then. Rahman nailed him with a sweet right hand and Corrie got up without any trouble.

Panicking? Please explain.

Whenever he feels like he is really tiring, instead of trying to conserve his energy, Wlad panicks and tries to KO his opponents before he flames out by throwing a lot more punches than he should be throwing when he is that tired. Wlad thinks that he has dominate every fight that he wins. I can't think of any wins that have been close fights. This whole idea goes back to the fact that Wlad cares way too much about what people think about him. Whenever crowds boo he seems to feel the need to attack his opponent to make the crowd stop booing. Watch some of his fights, he does this every time.

You have taken this beyond boxing talk. You are obviously angry that people are talking bad of your fighter, and don't know how to deal with it. So you try to insult me and try to tear down my religious beliefs. If you do not like what I'm saying than fine, than argue with me about it, in boxing talk. How dare you bring religion into it, you should be ashmamed for being so petty and childish.

If you cannot stand the heat get out of the kitchen. However I do not hold anything against you and I forgive you for your comments.

God Bless,

CITA


Dude, you are the one who brings up religion to the point that really offends me, with all of this "amens" and "repents" and hatemongering. You are the one who could not prove that Wlad has no heart. And all of your arguments essentially was "oh you don't have an argument" which you repeat over and over. Can't you get it, there is no objective proof of Wlad having no heart. But it IS an extremely offensive claim to say that someone has no heart.

OK. This could go on and on. Peace.

I am out of this thread. If you want to respond to me send me a private message.

Best

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Ok so Wlad has no heart, yet is he KD and comes back to win the round and the fight.

Ok so Wlad has no heart, yet is he KD and comes back to win the round and the fight.

Wladimir has heart. He has always had heart. Wladimir won today. He earned the win too, it was not given to him. I think once he gets comfortable, he will be very great boxer.

You have taken this beyond boxing talk. You are obviously angry that people are talking bad of your fighter, and don't know how to deal with it. So you try to insult me and try to tear down my religious beliefs. If you do not like what I'm saying than fine, than argue with me about it, in boxing talk. How dare you bring religion into it, you should be ashmamed for being so petty and childish.

If you cannot stand the heat get out of the kitchen. However I do not hold anything against you and I forgive you for your comments.

God Bless,

CITA
You have really made a fool out of yourself.
Even more so than before.
You always contradict yourself in posts.

You get on him about bringing religion into this?
Do you not remember the two threads you made about religion?
Pushing your views on us and claiming that we could not be considered good, righteous or moral unless we had the same beliefs and read the bible?
You brought religion into this and continue to do it.

You get on him about getting angry that people talk negatively about his favorite boxer when you do the same only in a childish way.
Remember what you did when I said I didn't like Byrd and started to insult him?
You went on a moronic rampage full of bull**** and contradictions until I verbally beat the fire out of you.

You say something else that intrigues me.
"If you cannot stand the heat get out of the kitchen."
lol If you really believe that, then why do you continue to post here and why did you come back those other times to reply to me?

Also, the whole "you are forgiven, god bless" thing is really lame.
Stop trying to take the pseudo-moral high ground and play the nice guy act and stand by your posts like a man.

Wladimir has heart. He has always had heart. Wladimir won today. He earned the win too, it was not given to him. I think once he gets comfortable, he will be very great boxer.

I agree, and he'd be even better once he loses the American style.

Wladimir has heart. He has always had heart. Wladimir won today. He earned the win too, it was not given to him. I think once he gets comfortable, he will be very great boxer.
I didn't see his fight.
But apparently some people think he didn't look so well.
I think he should fire Steward.
Not for the style clash, but for what Steward has become.

Btw, did you get the picture I sent you?

I didn't see his fight.
But apparently some people think he didn't look so well.
I think he should fire Steward.
Not for the style clash, but for what Steward has become.

Btw, did you get the picture I sent you?

I think everyone wanted to see a knock out, and they are just disappointed they did not see one. Williamson had to hold on to Wladimir in the second round to keep from being knocked out. I received your picture. It was a picture of the angel. I loved it. Thank you Dr. Cynical. Very soon I will be disappearing for the next two months. I have to go and be with my family. I have had fun here. I will try and come back in December. I will miss you Dr. Cynical. Thank you for always entertaining me.

I think everyone wanted to see a knock out, and they are just disappointed they did not see one. Williamson had to hold on to Wladimir in the second round to keep from being knocked out. I received your picture. It was a picture of the angel. I loved it. Thank you Dr. Cynical. Very soon I will be disappearing for the next two months. I have to go and be with my family. I have had fun here. I will try and come back in December. I will miss you Dr. Cynical. Thank you for always entertaining me.
Hmm.. Probably.
Alot of people watch heavyweight fights and expect a knockout.

I'm glad you received it and enjoyed it.

Are you going to be gone from here because you won't have internet access?
Or is it that you don't see yourself going online when you're with your family?
Either way, have a nice time with your family and I look forward to talking to you again when you return.

You have really made a fool out of yourself.
Even more so than before.
You always contradict yourself in posts.

You get on him about bringing religion into this?
Do you not remember the two threads you made about religion?
Pushing your views on us and claiming that we could not be considered good, righteous or moral unless we had the same beliefs and read the bible?
You brought religion into this and continue to do it.

You get on him about getting angry that people talk negatively about his favorite boxer when you do the same only in a childish way.
Remember what you did when I said I didn't like Byrd and started to insult him?
You went on a moronic rampage full of bull**** and contradictions until I verbally beat the fire out of you.

You say something else that intrigues me.
"If you cannot stand the heat get out of the kitchen."
lol If you really believe that, then why do you continue to post here and why did you come back those other times to reply to me?

Also, the whole "you are forgiven, god bless" thing is really lame.
Stop trying to take the pseudo-moral high ground and play the nice guy act and stand by your posts like a man.


What is your problem, I can say whatever I want about fighters, am I bad mouthing my fellow posters, no. People bad-mouth Byrd all the time, I deal with it.

But I forgive you, becasue I will not insut my fellow posters(I may disagree with them).

God Bless,

CITA

P.S. Jesus loves you.

What is your problem, I can say whatever I want about fighters, am I bad mouthing my fellow posters, no. People bad-mouth Byrd all the time, I deal with it.

But I forgive you, becasue I will not insut my fellow posters(I may disagree with them).

God Bless,

CITA

P.S.
My problem is that you contradict yourself constantly.
You start **** with other people and degrade their opinions, yet go on to preach about being so moral and fair and respecting everyone.

You do not "deal with it" when people insult Byrd.
You get upset and start whining about the person and/or their favorite boxer.

You will insult other posters, just not me.
Cause as I previously stated, I beat that out of you.

P.S. Jesus loves you.
Thanks for backing my statements as true.

Dr. Cynical, you changed your avatar. It is the angel. I will miss you. I am already thinking and wondering what avatar you will have when I come back.

Thanks for backing my statements as true.

Thank you for not flat out insulting me this time. It sounds like you need the lord Jesus in your life, finding God will help you quell your unprovked hatred and anger.

God Bless you Dr. Cynical, I know you will find Jesus.

Dr. Cynical, you changed your avatar. It is the angel. I will miss you. I am already thinking and wondering what avatar you will have when I come back.
I knew you liked it so I figured I'd have it as my avatar as a kind gesture to you.
I will miss conversing with you as well.
lol I'll probably have all kinds of weird avatars during the time you're gone.

Thank you for not flat out insulting me this time. It sounds like you need the lord Jesus in your life, finding God will help you quell your unprovked hatred and anger.

God Bless you Dr. Cynical, I know you will find Jesus.
I found him.. on his knees in a truck stop men's room.
He didn't have much to say.
Or maybe it was just that I couldn't hear him, his mouth was full.

Anyway, this is pathetic.
I'll end this post with an image that I think sums up my idea of your posts right now.

http://www.i-mockery.com/cards/images/card2.jpg

I found him.. on his knees in a truck stop men's room.
He didn't have much to say.
Or maybe it was just that I couldn't hear him, his mouth was full.

Anyway, this is pathetic.
I'll end this post with an image that I think sums up my idea of your posts right now.
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Your continuing insults of me only discredit you to my other fellow posters. Yet I forgive you because it is obvious you have not found Jesus.

God Bless,

CITA

Your continuing insults of me only discredit you to my other fellow posters. Yet I forgive you because it is obvious you have not found Jesus.

God Bless,

CITA
lol Nah, I think your backtracking and use of religion as a way out is looking worser than anything I have posted.
As I told you, I found Jesus but he was busy and had a mouthful.
So he didn't have much to tell me.
Perhaps he'll have some useful info next time.

Hey Asschrist!

Jesus just called me, and he told me to tell you to just lay off the religion stuff, cause you're not going anywhere, buddy.

That's right, you're barred. You're unworthy and eternal darkness for you. Just shut up and forget it, and we'll not rub it into you again.

The Lord does'ent want you on his team! Do you understand that, monkeyboy?

If last night's "victory" for Wlad was meant to impress, it failed miserably. I'm NOT picking a fight, or hating, so DONT EVEN come back at me with that nonsense, I'd say the same about any other fighter. I had it dead even at the time of the stoppage, and Wlad was the only one to hit the canvas last night. That, and the fact that I gave (objectively) the last 2 round's to Williamson, makes me think that Wlad was lucky that it got stopped.
Now Nuraxis (sorry if I got that wrong) if you want to debate that, fine. Just please dont start with the "you hate him" stuff or I'm already done. Like I said, I'd say the same about ANY OTHER FIGHTER, I swear! :)

Somebody throw a couple Pamprin down her yapper please..... :rolleyes:

If last night's "victory" for Wlad was meant to impress, it failed miserably. I'm NOT picking a fight, or hating, so DONT EVEN come back at me with that nonsense, I'd say the same about any other fighter. I had it dead even at the time of the stoppage, and Wlad was the only one to hit the canvas last night. That, and the fact that I gave (objectively) the last 2 round's to Williamson, makes me think that Wlad was lucky that it got stopped.
Now Nuraxis (sorry if I got that wrong) if you want to debate that, fine. Just please dont start with the "you hate him" stuff or I'm already done. Like I said, I'd say the same about ANY OTHER FIGHTER, I swear! :)

How could you possibly not be hating. This just in you gave rounds to guy who ran away the whole fight. Talk about insane.

How could you possibly not be hating. This just in you gave rounds to guy who ran away the whole fight. Talk about insane.

Okay, let me spell it out for ya.

Judges scores: 49-46 (K)
48-47 (W)..must hate him; and I gave it a draw
49-46 (K)

Considering that I'm not the only one that gave Williamson the runner (it's called "using the ring" and "stick and move") a round or two, they MUST hate him too, right?
AND, he MUST have 'run into' Wlad, therefore causing the knockdown, right? (the only knockdown)

Hate? NO,it's called scoring objectively; you should try it some time. If I hated him like you keep saying, why the draw? Why give Wlad any round's at all? ESPECIALLY considering that one of the judges had Wlad LOSING.
Bet you had it a complete shut out, right?

My scores: 47-47....DRAW
Compared to the judges, I wasnt too far off the mark (or too full of hate)
I thought that D.W. did enough to win the last 2 rounds; had knocked Wlad down, AND Wlad looked exhausted and was breathing through his open mouth (can get your jaw broken that way, ya know?) ALL of which makes me think that he MAY have been lucky to have it stopped when it was.
Hate?....No, FACTS!
But, since you claim to know what's in my head so much, and why I do the thing's that I do, etc.. please tell me what I'm going to cook for dinner; cause as of yet I'm undecided.
Debating with objective Klitschko fans is fine; debating with you is redundant.

Actually I think every single writer in press row had it 48-46. The one judge obviously hates Wlad. That is an interesting scoring system you have though. Its great. Let's award rounds to someone who runs away and gets tagged with punches in a 4:1 ratio. Its brilliant.

Actually I think every single writer in press row had it 48-46. The one judge obviously hates Wlad. There is no way Williamson won.

But of course; all of us that didnt think he won convincingly, or worship at the church of Klitschko HATE him...press row? Was that REALLY the best you could do? Like I said, redundant. No fact's..just a biased reply. :rolleyes: I'll debate with an objective fan; that counts you out and you definately just proved it.

But of course; all of us that didnt think he won convincingly, or worship at the church of Klitschko HATE him...press row? Was that REALLY the best you could do? Like I said, redundant. No fact's..just a biased reply. :rolleyes: I'll debate with an objective fan; that counts you out and you definately just proved it.

Right on, I edited my post above.

Actually I think every single writer in press row had it 48-46.

Can you confirm this please.

To me it looks as if Wlad is on the way out, Brewster is garbage, and Sanders can bang a bit but Wlad really has been exposed the last couple of years, it looks as if those whiskers aren't made of the right stuff and strange how he never had a huge stamina problem before, oh apart from when he was KO'd in the 11th in his first loss :p

Can you confirm this please.

To me it looks as if Wlad is on the way out, Brewster is garbage, and Sanders can bang a bit but Wlad really has been exposed the last couple of years, it looks as if those whiskers aren't made of the right stuff and strange how he never had a huge stamina problem before, oh apart from when he was KO'd in the 11th in his first loss :p

I'm going to go rewatch it when I eat lunch. He didn't have a stamina problem for this fight though.

Right on, I edited my post above.

Like I just posted on the other thread; you have convinced me now

Like I just posted on the other thread; you have convinced me now

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354

The truth hurts.

I feel there is no way Wladimir lost the fight or that it was a draw yesterday. Which round did Wladimir get outboxed? It should have been unanimous decision. Wladimir earned his win yesterday, it was not given to him. Wladimir did not fight his best. Yet he still beat a good fighter who had a good night, a top 15 fighter with a big punch. Williamson is very tall and quick, with long arms. Williamson is better than Brewster and Ruiz. I would love to see Williamson fight Toney. How would Toney fair? Wladimir showed great heart when he came back very quickly in the same round. Wladimir showed great stamina too.

I'm going to go rewatch it when I eat lunch. He didn't have a stamina problem for this fight though.
I didn't say he did, but he has in the past then the bull**** excuses for his last loss, and no-one before has mentioned it LKO11(well not recently anyway), but that was down to a stamina problem.
Just thought it was a nice point to bring up since alot of people are putting on the little klit for his stamina, i think his biggest problem in his glass chin.

I feel there is no way Wladimir lost the fight or that it was a draw yesterday. Which round did Wladimir get outboxed? It should have been unanimous decision. Wladimir earned his win yesterday, it was not given to him. Wladimir did not fight his best. Yet he still beat a good fighter who had a good night, a top 15 fighter with a big punch. Williamson is very tall and quick, with long arms. Williamson is better than Brewster and Ruiz. I would love to see Williamson fight Toney. How would Toney fair? Wladimir showed great heart when he came back very quickly in the same round. Wladimir showed great stamina too.

Williamson is only in the Top 15 of one federation of the major ones. It's by the WBC who also has Tyson ranked and he's won one fight in THREE YEARS!

Williamson's a bum.

I feel there is no way Wladimir lost the fight or that it was a draw yesterday. Which round did Wladimir get outboxed? It should have been unanimous decision. Wladimir earned his win yesterday, it was not given to him. Wladimir did not fight his best. Yet he still beat a good fighter who had a good night, a top 15 fighter with a big punch. Williamson is very tall and quick, with long arms. Williamson is better than Brewster and Ruiz. I would love to see Williamson fight Toney. How would Toney fair? Wladimir showed great heart when he came back very quickly in the same round. Wladimir showed great stamina too.

For starters, the round where his ass went down on the canvas...but hey, that is just a haters opinion.

For starters, the round where his ass went down on the canvas...but hey, that is just a haters opinion.

I guess the Showtime announcers who work for the company who bought Wlad's services for this fight and made it the main event are haters too, becaue they were not complimentary at all after the fight. Wlad may have to start opening up for his brother's fights - if Vitali isn't going to start running. I just saw he's pulling the Williams fight...

And what's up with Wlad not being able to answer a direct question? All Jim Gray asked him was how was his head. I guess we'll never know...

And this glass-chinned robot's supposed to take over the HW division? Hahahahaha!!! Pathetic. I say give acting (deodorant commercials) a shot or go down to 4 rounders and fight the likes of Butterbean and other circus freaks.

Wladimir does not have a glass chin. I am certain he doesn't. He would have been knocked out like Roy Jones or Lennox Lewis by now if he had this. Wladimir has never knocked out. History knows this, and cannot be rewritten.

Wladimir does not have a glass chin. I am certain he doesn't. He would have been knocked out like Roy Jones or Lennox Lewis by now if he had this. Wladimir has never knocked out. History knows this, and cannot be rewritten.

Corrie Sanders knocked Wlad down 4 or 5 times. If the fight hadn't had been stopped, he would have been out cold very soon and possibly heart very badly.

Are you certain of this?

Tell this to Ali, Roy, Merser, and Foreman. They'd kick your butt right away.
Olympic boxing was quite different in the 60s than it is now, and was for the last few games.

First, they didn't have the computer monitors that will count even the lightest of blows as a punch.

I said it before, and I will say it again, it's not that Wlad doesn't have the heart, he doesn't have the conditioning. Take him down to 230 and he'll be able to sustain himself in the ring.

Williamson, to me, was fighting the perfect fight. He was keeping Wlad moving around the ring, and the ring was huge. Wlad was starting to show sings of tiring by the 3rd round. The knockdown in the fourth was as much from tiredness as it was from being off balance. His flurries afterwards didn't help him at all. He would have exhausted himself by the 7th or 8th had he kept up the same pace and likely been knocked out.

The headbut was the best thing that could have happened to him in that fight. It's the only way he was going to win that fight.

Olympic boxing was quite different in the 60s than it is now, and was for the last few games.

First, they didn't have the computer monitors that will count even the lightest of blows as a punch.

I said it before, and I will say it again, it's not that Wlad doesn't have the heart, he doesn't have the conditioning. Take him down to 230 and he'll be able to sustain himself in the ring.

Williamson, to me, was fighting the perfect fight. He was keeping Wlad moving around the ring, and the ring was huge. Wlad was starting to show sings of tiring by the 3rd round. The knockdown in the fourth was as much from tiredness as it was from being off balance. His flurries afterwards didn't help him at all. He would have exhausted himself by the 7th or 8th had he kept up the same pace and likely been knocked out.

The headbut was the best thing that could have happened to him in that fight. It's the only way he was going to win that fight.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU....TAKE A BOW, PLEASE!!! :)

Are you certain of this?

Are YOU certain? Nobody is.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU....TAKE A BOW, PLEASE!!!
There's gonna be a weddin' call the preacher!!!!!

Are you certain of this?
Yes. He was hurt too badly to continue. If he had continued, how could he not have been knocked out?

And in the Brewster fight, he went face down and was crawling on the canvas. There's no way he would not have gotten knocked out cold had that fight continued.

Again, though, I think that's as much a product of his conditioning as it is a glass jaw.

Just a real quick note to all the people in here who consider themselves fans of Wlad:

If you relly like the guy, you have to take a really critical analisys of his faults as well as point out all the good things.
Wlad definitely has a skill set that could dominate the heavyweight division, and it's something that I would actually like to see happen, but until someone looks at him and tells him what his problems are, he cannot improve to that point. It will take not only the trainers, but his fans, to get the changes made that are needed if he is to be in the top of the division.
Last night's performance showed again that he is big, but badly conditioned. Be critical without being hateful, and help your man succeed. Continue touting him as perfect, and he will continue to fail.

Williamson is only in the Top 15 of one federation of the major ones. It's by the WBC who also has Tyson ranked and he's won one fight in THREE YEARS!

Williamson's a bum.

Man you are usually pretty on here, but man are you off today. Williamson is 10 in the WBC, 11 in the IBF, and 6 in the WBO, and I can only find the top 10 rankings for the WBA.

For starters, the round where his ass went down on the canvas...but hey, that is just a haters opinion.

Yeah its a shame that the Showtime scorekeeper and 2 official judges gave it to Wlad.

Just a real quick note to all the people in here who consider themselves fans of Wlad:

If you relly like the guy, you have to take a really critical analisys of his faults as well as point out all the good things.
Wlad definitely has a skill set that could dominate the heavyweight division, and it's something that I would actually like to see happen, but until someone looks at him and tells him what his problems are, he cannot improve to that point. It will take not only the trainers, but his fans, to get the changes made that are needed if he is to be in the top of the division.
Last night's performance showed again that he is big, but badly conditioned. Be critical without being hateful, and help your man succeed. Continue touting him as perfect, and he will continue to fail.

He had a nosebleed before the fight, get real man.

He had a nosebleed before the fight, get real man.
um, ok. The nosebleed before the fight explains it all. I get it now. They probably just didn't tellus about the nosebleeds prior to Brewster and Sanders.

What does a nosebleed have to do with what I posted?

Man you are usually pretty on here, but man are you off today. Williamson is 10 in the WBC, 11 in the IBF, and 6 in the WBO, and I can only find the top 10 rankings for the WBA.

I typed that without checking the rankings page since they only announced his WBC ranking on Showtime in the pre-fight introductions. He's not ranked in the WBA:

John ruiz is champ

1. Hasim Rahman
2. Joe Mesi
3. James Toney
4. Lance Whitaker
5. Andrew Golota
6. Jameel McCline
7. Owen Beck
8. Monte Barrett
9. Juan Carlos Gomez
10. Danny Williams
11. Nicolay Valuev
12. Faruq Saleem
13. Evander Holyfield
14. Wladimir Klitschko
15. David Tua

So he's out of the Top 10 in the IBF at 12 and out of the top 10 in the WBO at 11.

http://www.*********.com/rankings2.htm

If you change what I said to Top 10 and not Top 15, I'm right. My point is, really, that Williamson is not a top contender, not going to get a title shot, not someone that Wlad should have had trouble with.

Thanks for calling me on it, though, I have no trouble admitting when I'm wrong on factual things. I will defend myself though when people say I'm wrong for my opinions.

Yeah its a shame that the Showtime scorekeeper and 2 official judges gave it to Wlad.

A big shame considering it should have been a 10-8 round. Just for laughs, what did you score that round? Hell, lets go all out and tell me what you scored the fight! I showed you mine; now show me yours

um, ok. The nosebleed before the fight explains it all. I get it now. They probably just didn't tellus about the nosebleeds prior to Brewster and Sanders.

What does a nosebleed have to do with what I posted?

No that explains him breathing out of his mouth which was the only evidence that you have for him tiring.

um, ok. The nosebleed before the fight explains it all. I get it now. They probably just didn't tellus about the nosebleeds prior to Brewster and Sanders.

What does a nosebleed have to do with what I posted?

Absolutely nothing! But that's the whole point, isnt it?? :rolleyes:

A big shame considering it should have been a 10-8 round. Just for laughs, what did you score that round? Hell, lets go all out and tell me what you scored the fight! I showed you mine; now show me yours

How so, just because you KD someone doesn't mean that you win the round. It gave Williamson way too much confidence and Wlad hurt a number of times in that round after the KD. I had it like 2 of the official judges had it 49-46.

I typed that without checking the rankings page since they only announced his WBC ranking on Showtime in the pre-fight introductions. He's not ranked in the WBA:

John ruiz is champ

1. Hasim Rahman
2. Joe Mesi
3. James Toney
4. Lance Whitaker
5. Andrew Golota
6. Jameel McCline
7. Owen Beck
8. Monte Barrett
9. Juan Carlos Gomez
10. Danny Williams
11. Nicolay Valuev
12. Faruq Saleem
13. Evander Holyfield
14. Wladimir Klitschko
15. David Tua

So he's out of the Top 10 in the IBF at 12 and out of the top 10 in the WBO at 11.

http://www.*********.com/rankings2.htm

If you change what I said to Top 10 and not Top 15, I'm right. My point is, really, that Williamson is not a top contender, not going to get a title shot, not someone that Wlad should have had trouble with.

Thanks for calling me on it, though, I have no trouble admitting when I'm wrong on factual things. I will defend myself though when people say I'm wrong for my opinions.


Since when do top contenders get title shots? If Williamson was with King he would have already have had a title shot.

How so, just because you KD someone doesn't mean that you win the round. It gave Williamson way too much confidence and Wlad hurt a number of times in that round after the KD. I had it like 2 of the official judges had it 49-46.


Now that is halarious! My score was 47-47 which differs from yours by only that much and I'm a hater?! What does that make you? Unbelievable!!!!!!
Youre right; when you knock someone down but they won the rest of the round its supposed to be scored a 10-9 round for the person that got the knockdown!

Since when do top contenders get title shots? If Williamson was with King he would have already have had a title shot.

Usually the guy has to be ranked to get a title shots. Top contenders get title shots when the sanctioning body makes them a mandatory contender. King doesn't want Williamson; how are you going to sell a DaVarryl Williamson fight?

King would have signed Williamson had he beaten Mesi. He might have signed him if he won last night. But DaVarryl Williamson, as he is, is a non-factor in heavyweight boxing.

Usually the guy has to be ranked to get a title shots. Top contenders get title shots when the sanctioning body makes them a mandatory contender. King doesn't want Williamson; how are you going to sell a DaVarryl Williamson fight?

King would have signed Williamson had he beaten Mesi. He might have signed him if he won last night. But DaVarryl Williamson, as he is, is a non-factor in heavyweight boxing.

Oh and Oquendo is much better as is Meehan.

Now that is halarious! My score was 47-47 which differs from yours by only that much and I'm a hater?! What does that make you? Unbelievable!!!!!!
Youre right; when you knock someone down but they won the rest of the round its supposed to be scored a 10-9 round for the person that got the knockdown!

Because that's not an acceptable score.

Round 1: 10-9 Wlad or maybe, but basically no one had it like this 10-9 Williamson

Round 2: 10-9 Wlad

Round 3: 10-9 Wlad

Round 4: 10-9 or 10-8 Williamson

Round 5: 10-9 Wlad, there is no way Williamson won this round

So the only possible scores you could have are 49-46 Wlad, 48-46 Wlad or 47-47, but you gave Williamson the wrong round.

No that explains him breathing out of his mouth which was the only evidence that you have for him tiring.
no, there's also his posture, which was sagging as the fight went on.

As for Williamson being a non-factor, I think we might be seeing more of him in the near future. He fought a perfect fight plan, one that went against his normal style, and took the best Wlad had to offer. Granted, as Wlad's stock has dropped in the HW division, it's not a stunning endorsement of him as a fighter, but enough to put him in against some young up and comers, perhaps starting his reign as the new Jesse Furgeson.

no, there's also his posture, which was sagging as the fight went on.

Please explain.

Please explain.
Did you not watch the fight?

As the fight progressed, the left had got lower and lower, and his shouders seemed to be drooping.
I never saw signs of him breathing too heavily, though.

Did you not watch the fight?

As the fight progressed, the left had got lower and lower, and his shouders seemed to be drooping.
I never saw signs of him breathing too heavily, though.

I saw his left arm drop at times, but most people thought he did that because Williamson wasn't doing anything.

Because that's not an acceptable score.

Round 1: 10-9 Wlad or maybe, but basically no one had it like this 10-9 Williamson

Round 2: 10-9 Wlad

Round 3: 10-9 Wlad

Round 4: 10-9 or 10-8 Williamson

Round 5: 10-9 Wlad, there is no way Williamson won this round

So the only possible scores you could have are 49-46 Wlad, 48-46 Wlad or 47-47, but you gave Williamson the wrong round.

According to you. That doesnt mean that youre right and I'm wrong; or the other way around for that matter. I gave Wlad every round but the last two; and the 4th I scored a 10-8 round for the knockdown and I stand by it. Just cause you dont like it doesnt make it wrong.

I saw his left arm drop at times, but most people thought he did that because Williamson wasn't doing anything.


"Most" people thought? like who? You? Are you speaking for other's AGAIN, they way you did me?

His left arm was lower because he kept trying to feint to Williamson's body then head to make him drop his Mantis guard, it wasn't effective though because Williamson never stopped running long enough to close the gap. Klitschko needs Sdunek because Steward isn't right for him. The fight was truly a stinker.

Oh and Oquendo is much better as is Meehan.

I'd say so. Oquendo should have beaten Byrd by decision and he fought Ruiz tough.

Meehan should have beaten Brewster; he gets another shot against Rahman.

I'd say so. Oquendo should have beaten Byrd by decision and he fought Ruiz tough.

Meehan should have beaten Brewster; he gets another shot against Rahman.

This just in Brewster is not very good. Byrd has not looked good in his recent fights. Oquendo is trash. His big win was against a young Dokiwari. We all know what Guinn did to Dokiwari, but Dokiwari lost to Stacy Frazier yesterday. You are probably asking yourself who is Stacy Frazier. He's 12-3 with losses to Jovo Pudar TKO 1, Willie Palms TKO 3, and Clement Hassan PTS. Oqendo was also losing on all three scorecards 86-84 before he KO'd Maurice Harris who is 19-12-2.

This just in Brewster is not very good. Byrd has not looked good in his recent fights. Oquendo is trash. His big win was against a young Dokiwari. We all know what Guinn did to Dokiwari, but Dokiwari lost to Stacy Frazier yesterday. You are probably asking yourself who is Stacy Frazier. He's 12-3 with losses to Jovo Pudar TKO 1, Willie Palms TKO 3, and Clement Hassan PTS.

What's sad is I've seen Jovo Pudar fight. He lost to Sam Peter on ShoBox.

What's sad is I've seen Jovo Pudar fight. He lost to Sam Peter on ShoBox.

Yeah he did not look good at all, and niether did Peter.

This is my main beef with Wlad, I would love to be a fan of his, but Teddy nailed it on the head about what I feel about Wlad. He just doen't have the desire to dominate. There can be no doubt that this man has all the physical tools, expect maybe not the greatest chin in the world but its not as bad as people say, he just doesn't have the inner intangibles


...You would love to be a fan of his??? lol lol lol That one almost made me fall out of my chair. Yeah, and everyone would believe that I would like to be a fan of Chris Byrds if not for his slappy punches.