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GF of Boxing
01-04-2012, 01:40 PM
Back in 1969 Sonny Liston was going to challenge for the world title against Joe Frazier. He referred into fighting Joe Frazier was like shooting fish in a barrell. Now during this period since the Ali lost, Liston racked up a 14 fight win streak. And after the Leotis Martin fight was going to challenge Frazier for the title. If Liston would of gotten the chance to fight Smokin Joe, how would he fair against him.

DarkTerror88
01-04-2012, 02:29 PM
Prime for prime? Listons length and jab keep him at a somewhat safe length for a Few rounds. Around round 6 joe starts smokin and he ain't jokin. Using his phenominal head movement. Frazier gets under the jab and starts working the body. After a few scares due to listons power, sonnys lead begins to dwindle. Frazier landinh big anf Liston tiring late into the fight. I think Liston survives the late onslaught to win a Close decision.


1969? Liston hasnt a chance in hell. That's a prime frazier. I think he batters liston to a late stoppage.

La_Vibora
01-04-2012, 02:46 PM
Frazier was tailor made for a prime Liston, but with that version of Liston, I think Joe would have struggled early, but then likely wore the older Liston down as the fight went on should he have made it out of the first rounds.

SBleeder
01-04-2012, 02:46 PM
Prime for prime: Liston blows Frazier out in 2 rounds.

Late 1960s? Liston was completely shot at that point. His late-career fights feature an absolute shell of the beast from the early 60s.

Liston's chin keeps him in the fight until the late rounds, but eventually he's too battered to continue. Frazier TKO10.

Terry A
01-04-2012, 03:14 PM
No matter when these two would have fought, what a voilent match up this would have been!

Sonny & Joe seem to be on everybody's list as far as favorite fighters go. I know they're two of my all-time top favorite fighters ever.

Sonny had just a little bit of quit in him when things got real bad. Joe would be next to death and he'd keep coming & coming & coming. Like one of the Jason characters who you can't even blow up. The courage he showed in getting back up against Big George is a benchmark in what a real fighter's heart looks like.

Joe was a little vulnerable to big shots. His heart was stronger than his whiskers, so Sonny would always have a chance of catching Joe with one of his killer shots. But I do think that the pressure Frazier would apply and the pace Joe would keep would be enough to disrupt Liston enough from not being able to really plant one on Joe. I can see Sonny going down mid-late if they would have fought.

I really miss both these guys not being around anymore.

Sugarj
01-04-2012, 04:44 PM
Prime for prime I'll go with Liston.

But in the late 60s.....lucky punch aside, I'd Favour Frazier by decision or late stoppage.

Barn
01-04-2012, 04:47 PM
Joe's head movement was surreal back then though. It'd be hard to land any flush shots.

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KO'er
01-10-2012, 08:28 PM
A 1969 Liston would lose to Frazier alright IMO. I could possibly see Liston getting counted out on his knee late. (bear in mind this was the year he got ko'd by Leotis Martin. Maybe that fight is influencing my mind.)

I don't get the love a prime Sonny Liston is getting against Frazier though. IMO out of all the fighters Liston faced before 1964, none where in the class of Frazier.

Having said that, when Liston took prime Cleveland Williams bombs and came back, that showed how Liston could react to a big shot, but then again Williams' didn't have Frazier's relentless style. I think Joe's bobbin' n weavin' could offset the reach advantage of Liston.

ScrotieMcBooger
01-10-2012, 11:12 PM
I don't get the love a prime Sonny Liston is getting against Frazier though.

Think George Foreman with better skills and a better jab.

Mannie Phresh
01-10-2012, 11:14 PM
Prime for prime? Listons length and jab keep him at a somewhat safe length for a Few rounds. Around round 6 joe starts smokin and he ain't jokin. Using his phenominal head movement. Frazier gets under the jab and starts working the body. After a few scares due to listons power, sonnys lead begins to dwindle. Frazier landinh big anf Liston tiring late into the fight. I think Liston survives the late onslaught to win a Close decision.


1969? Liston hasnt a chance in hell. That's a prime frazier. I think he batters liston to a late stoppage.

correcte mundo

IronDanHamza
01-11-2012, 08:15 AM
Prime Liston knocks out Fraizer.

But echoing what other's have said, in 1969, Liston was done and Frazier was fresh in his prime.

He'd have beat Liston up bad at that point.

New England
01-11-2012, 09:32 AM
Prime for prime? Listons length and jab keep him at a somewhat safe length for a Few rounds. Around round 6 joe starts smokin and he ain't jokin. Using his phenominal head movement. Frazier gets under the jab and starts working the body. After a few scares due to listons power, sonnys lead begins to dwindle. Frazier landinh big anf Liston tiring late into the fight. I think Liston survives the late onslaught to win a Close decision.


1969? Liston hasnt a chance in hell. That's a prime frazier. I think he batters liston to a late stoppage.



i too think liston's length and his power would give frazier issues as he came forward and that he'd probably beat joe via decision if they were both in their primes.

but in 1969 frazier would have beat the bag out of him bro and you ain't joking.

The Surgeon
01-12-2012, 09:47 AM
Im sticking with the popular view here:

69' - Its Frazier all the way

Prime for Prime - Liston knocks him out, within 4, 5 or 6 at a push but only because Sonny was far more patient than Foreman


Id root for Frazier though, one of the very few select Heavys id do so over Liston

DeepSleep
01-13-2012, 08:01 PM
Prime Liston knocks out Fraizer.

But echoing what other's have said, in 1969, Liston was done and Frazier was fresh in his prime.

He'd have beat Liston up bad at that point.

^^^ Exactly my thoughts.

Boxing Bob
01-18-2012, 10:08 AM
I'm gonna buck the trend and say prime for prime- Smokin Joe takes him out in the 12th in a barnburner of a fight. Joe wins because he takes the punishment better than Liston, but then again I always thought Liston was overrated

res
01-28-2012, 01:58 PM
I agree with Liston, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
Brawling inside with Liston is a suicidal idea, even if you're trying to bob and weave while you do it.