View Full Version : Fedor destroyed Ishii


WARQUEZ
12-31-2011, 11:11 AM
Made it look easy and did it a minute before New Years in Japan. Like a boss.

WARQUEZ
12-31-2011, 12:33 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/THME-nf_RKw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Big BRICKS
12-31-2011, 12:34 PM
Three piece Fedor special. Dude has fallen off but he can still give you the hands. Way to go Fedor.

:boxing:

El Pistolero
12-31-2011, 12:53 PM
Three piece Fedor special. Dude has fallen off but he can still give you the hands. Way to go Fedor.

:boxing:

Damn that was insane. Still the greatest mma heavyweight ever in my opinion

AL YANKAB*TCH
12-31-2011, 02:07 PM
Made it look easy and did it a minute before New Years in Japan. Like a boss.

Thanks for the video. Green k sent. :fing02:

PlayerKiller
12-31-2011, 02:56 PM
If Fedor keeps it in stand up, he can do damn well. His right hand hurts almost anyone.

BKM-2010
12-31-2011, 03:45 PM
You can just see how good he still is since he is destroying c or b-level fighters. It's the top level heavyweights he may not be able to beat again.

Reezy
12-31-2011, 03:57 PM
I think fedor can compete with the best still if he would just fight calm like he has his last two fights.. he got to wild and reckless in his losses

G A M E
12-31-2011, 04:20 PM
You can just see how good he still is since he is destroying c or b-level fighters. It's the top level heavyweights he may not be able to beat again.

id still like to see him compete against this 'top level' tho...

fedor can still give them the ****s

monaroCountry
12-31-2011, 06:47 PM
Funny thing is that Ishii is more a legit fighter and reacts more of a fighter than Brock Lesnar. Many of these so called legit Zuffa fighters are running on hype.

The current legit fighters now are Fedor, Josh, JDS, Overeem, and Sergei.

So far

Monson beat Sergei who in turn beat Overeem.

Currently the guy with the toughest chin and warrior spirit is Monson and Fedor.

BKM-2010
12-31-2011, 07:43 PM
id still like to see him compete against this 'top level' tho...

fedor can still give them the ****s

At this point he would be destroyed by Overeem and Santos. Cain and Cormier would beat him with their wrestling and outwork him. Barnett's groundgame may be too much for him at this time. I could see him winning against the others.

monaroCountry
12-31-2011, 11:04 PM
At this point he would be destroyed by Overeem and Santos. Cain and Cormier would beat him with their wrestling and outwork him. Barnett's groundgame may be too much for him at this time. I could see him winning against the others.

Overeem would be dangerous since hes a top level striker but not as good on the ground as Fedor. I think Fedor would win this but will be very close.

JDS would loose since he doesnt have a good enough striking and a worse ground game. Cain and Cormier would be the same. Fedor even dismantled Monson in a more dominant fashion than Cormier.

Josh would be another interesting fight. Josh like the Pride guys is actually pretty good on the ground and with his striking. Josh unlike Overeem also has cardio and a better chin. I give Fedor a slight edge in this encounter.

Your obviously a noob and a zombie who only saw the three wreckless Fedor fight, one where he went to ground against the best BJJ fighter in MMA, or got a doctor stopage because of a cut (he does cut easily).

Virgil Caine
01-01-2012, 05:59 AM
Fedor can definitely still compete with anyone in the world.

Don't hold your breath on him fighting in the UFC though, it will never happen. I don't mean that as a negative, I don't think he should, just stating a fact.

He could hang with anyone on the UFC's roster. Based on styles, Overoided probably would be his toughest challenge. But it's the business/politics side of the fight game which will make sure these fights never happen. Zuffa's policy of refusing to work with anybody (which just got Overroidded's purse withheld, nice one Zuffa) is mostly to blame.

monaroCountry
01-01-2012, 07:35 AM
Fedor can definitely still compete with anyone in the world.

Don't hold your breath on him fighting in the UFC though, it will never happen. I don't mean that as a negative, I don't think he should, just stating a fact.

He could hang with anyone on the UFC's roster. Based on styles, Overoided probably would be his toughest challenge. But it's the business/politics side of the fight game which will make sure these fights never happen. Zuffa's policy of refusing to work with anybody (which just got Overroidded's purse withheld, nice one Zuffa) is mostly to blame.

You my man is a scholar.

Fedor will definitely **** up anyone in the UFC, Overeem would be his toughest competition.

Its funny that M-1 was able to work with Dream and set up a fight so quickly, as well as being able to work with management and promotions all around the world. UFC on the other hands simply cant do business with others. Im sick and tired of the shady mafia tactics of the UFC, this was exemplified with their shady back stabbing of Golden Glory, the courts has even backed GG in this regard.

BKM-2010
01-01-2012, 11:05 AM
Overeem would be dangerous since hes a top level striker but not as good on the ground as Fedor. I think Fedor would win this but will be very close.

JDS would loose since he doesnt have a good enough striking and a worse ground game. Cain and Cormier would be the same. Fedor even dismantled Monson in a more dominant fashion than Cormier.

Josh would be another interesting fight. Josh like the Pride guys is actually pretty good on the ground and with his striking. Josh unlike Overeem also has cardio and a better chin. I give Fedor a slight edge in this encounter.

Your obviously a noob and a zombie who only saw the three wreckless Fedor fight, one where he went to ground against the best BJJ fighter in MMA, or got a doctor stopage because of a cut (he does cut easily).

LOL you're a troll man. Wake up, this isn't 2009 anymore. Fedor was knocked out by a LHW, outstruck by Bigfoot who got KO'd with ease in his last fight, and his groundgame is far from the same as it was in his prime as he was dominated in the grappling department in those 3 losses(Yes, even by Henderson).

I think it's very sad that you are still living in this delusion. I feel very sorry for you, most fedor fans have moved on from this fantasy but you just can't seem to deal with the fact that IT'S OVER. The only thing I'm hoping is that Fedor never fights a top level fighter again because that would mean another brutal defeat and I don't think your fragile little heart could handle that.

Virgil Caine
01-01-2012, 11:26 AM
LOL you're a troll man. Wake up, this isn't 2009 anymore. Fedor was knocked out by a LHW, outstruck by Bigfoot who got KO'd with ease in his last fight, and his groundgame is far from the same as it was in his prime as he was dominated in the grappling department in those 3 losses(Yes, even by Henderson).

I think it's very sad that you are still living in this delusion. I feel very sorry for you, most fedor fans have moved on from this fantasy but you just can't seem to deal with the fact that IT'S OVER. The only thing I'm hoping is that Fedor never fights a top level fighter again because that would mean another brutal defeat and I don't think your fragile little heart could handle that.
Typical ignorance. But what the hell, it's the age of internet, so everyone is an expert now.

Didn't read more than a couple lines, btw.

BKM-2010
01-01-2012, 11:40 AM
Typical ignorance. But what the hell, it's the age of internet, so everyone is an expert now.

Didn't read more than a couple lines, btw.

Yet you would read all of monaro's fantastic posts that claim Fedor is still the #1 HW in the world and everybody else is a zombie hype machine? That tells a lot about you.

If there's something you don't agree with go ahead and tell me. Everything I said was true. My belief is that Fedor in 2012 is not a top 10 heavyweight, he'd lose to all the top 5 guys, and he is clearly past his prime. Most of the MMA community is able to live with this fact now.

Virgil Caine
01-01-2012, 11:47 AM
Yet you would read all of monaro's fantastic posts that claim Fedor is still the #1 HW in the world and everybody else is a zombie hype machine? That tells a lot about you.

If there's something you don't agree with go ahead and tell me. Everything I said was true. My belief is that Fedor in 2012 is not a top 10 heavyweight, he'd lose to all the top 5 guys, and he is clearly past his prime. Most of the MMA community is able to live with this fact now.
"Everything I said is true"

Bull****, everything you said is just typical hyperbole and ignorance.

Why are you talking to me about something Monaro said? Why don't you talk to him about that instead, and talk to me about what I said, eh buddy.

What I said is that Fedor is still a world class fighter.

I laid out pretty clearly my reasons for saying so.

All you do is say the sort of typical ignorant-based statements you can read on every MMA forum, including, but in no way limmited to, the use of triangle theories.

Don't expect me to take you seriously though, and so just spare yourself the time of accusing me of not doing so.

Virgil Caine
01-01-2012, 11:49 AM
Strap on a pair of gloves or role on a mat for a bit and then talk to me.

I don't like to brag about it, but I have competed in a number of combat sports, including boxing, wrestling, judo, jiu jitsu, and no-gi grappling, and spent most of my life so far doing it. You are just a typical TUF newbie who doesn't know your ass from your elbow.

BKM-2010
01-01-2012, 11:57 AM
"Everything I said is true"

Bull****, everything you said is just typical hyperbole and ignorance.

Why are you talking to me about something Monaro said? Why don't you talk to him about that instead, and talk to me about what I said, eh buddy.

What I said is that Fedor is still a world class fighter.

I laid out pretty clearly my reasons for saying so.

All you do is say the sort of typical ignorant-based statements you can read on every MMA forum, including, but in no way limmited to, the use of triangle theories.

Don't expect me to take you seriously though, and so just spare yourself the time of accusing me of not doing so.

Actually, everything I said were in fact FACTS:
-Fedor was knocked out by a LHW(be happy I didn't say 185lber because some do)
-outstruck by Bigfoot who got KO'd with ease in his last fight
-and his groundgame is far from the same as it was in his prime as he was dominated in the grappling department in those 3 losses(Yes, even by Henderson).

You say Fedor is still a world class fighter. What does that mean? You think he beats the top guys right now? Because that would show how ignorant and biased of a fanboy you really are.

I give him a good chance against the lower top 10 guys, but he's not beating guys like Overeem, JDS, Cain etc. aside from a punchers chance but everybody has a punchers chance. I thought his 3 losses in a row to top guys would tell you that. But I guess all he had to do was crush a few cans, and you're back on the bandwagon huh?

You're not talking to no hater here. Fedor is the HW GOAT and the legit top guy of the 00s, but not anymore. He is past his prime. See I'm saying he's past his prime, not EXPOSED or whatever real haters say. So don't try that game with me. I'm no hater i'm a realist unlike you.

BKM-2010
01-01-2012, 11:58 AM
Strap on a pair of gloves or role on a mat for a bit and then talk to me.

I don't like to brag about it, but I have competed in a number of combat sports, including boxing, wrestling, judo, jiu jitsu, and no-gi grappling, and spent most of my life so far doing it. You are just a typical TUF newbie who doesn't know your ass from your elbow.

Oh I remember you now haha. You're the tough guy who trains UFC yet has time to flame in net wars. Everybody's a badass fighter on the net. Get over yourself.

Virgil Caine
01-01-2012, 12:01 PM
I don't believe in talking truth to ignorance, some people can't be swayed, and I don't have time or patience for that, so be bliss.

"But I guess all he had to do was crush a few cans, and you're back on the bandwagon huh?"

I am not "back on the bandwagon". I don't care if Fedor takes 10 losses against straight cans, that won't change what he has done, and I would never change my stance on his career. Nevertheless, he is in my estimation still indeed a world class fighter, who could hang with anybody in the world, bar none.

"You're not talking to no hater here. Fedor is the HW GOAT and the legit top guy of the 00s, but not anymore. He is past his prime. See I'm saying he's past his prime, not EXPOSED or whatever real haters say. So don't try that game with me. I'm no hater i'm a realist unlike you."

I never accused you of being a hater. I accused you of being an ignorant person who doesn't know your ass from your elbow. And you continue to support my case with your ignorant posting.

Virgil Caine
01-01-2012, 12:04 PM
Oh I remember you now haha. You're the tough guy who trains UFC yet has time to flame in net wars. Everybody's a badass fighter on the net. Get over yourself.
No, I am not a badass, and would never conduct myself as one. Doing so only brings trouble, really.

But you see, there are certain things you learn if you actually engage in sport, instead of just watching it on TV and browsing internet forums.

BKM-2010
01-01-2012, 12:09 PM
I don't believe in talking truth to ignorance, some people can't be swayed, and I don't have time or patience for that, so be bliss.

"But I guess all he had to do was crush a few cans, and you're back on the bandwagon huh?"

I am not "back on the bandwagon". I don't care if Fedor takes 10 losses against straight cans, that won't change what he has done, and I would never change my stance on his career. Nevertheless, he is in my estimation still indeed a world class fighter, who could hang with anybody in the world, bar none.

"You're not talking to no hater here. Fedor is the HW GOAT and the legit top guy of the 00s, but not anymore. He is past his prime. See I'm saying he's past his prime, not EXPOSED or whatever real haters say. So don't try that game with me. I'm no hater i'm a realist unlike you."

I never accused you of being a hater. I accused you of being an ignorant person who doesn't know your ass from your elbow. And you continue to support my case with your ignorant posting.

Yeah leave out the most important part of my post and nitpick what you want to respond to. If you don't want to debate, then don't even respond or instigate stuff. You don't know what you're talking about and I showed it with our little back and forth.

BKM-2010
01-01-2012, 12:12 PM
No, I am not a badass, and would never conduct myself as one. Doing so only brings trouble, really.

But you see, there are certain things you learn if you actually engage in sport, instead of just watching it on TV and browsing internet forums.

The moment you're gonna talk about how you train and because of that, the other poster's argument is invalid, you lose all credibilty. Like I said, this is the internet. If you want to drag it out of me, I'm Dutch, and I doubt you are aware of how popular kickboxing is here, but whatever. I do train, but it's meaningless and I won't mention it if I'm losing an argument like you do.

Virgil Caine
01-01-2012, 12:13 PM
Yeah leave out the most important part of my post and nitpick what you want to respond to. If you don't want to debate, then don't even respond or instigate stuff. You don't know what you're talking about and I showed it with our little back and forth.
I told you, I wasn't going to take you seriously and am not. Hence I nitpicked. No, I am not interest in having a debate with you, as I would first need to respect your "opinions" first (in quotations because I don't even think what you type reflects your own original thought, it probably reflects what you read at a place like Sherdog). Hence the nitpicking, as you put it. You don't know what you're talking about, which is why you parrot the same stuff that is parroted everywhere else. It isn't as though it is not obvious to anyone who knows something.

monaroCountry
01-01-2012, 12:57 PM
Nodogoshi is boss, the guy knows his stuff.

Zombies everywhere should run and turtle up like their hero Brock.

BKM-2010
01-01-2012, 01:07 PM
I told you, I wasn't going to take you seriously and am not. Hence I nitpicked.

Then you should have never responded or instigated. I think you're affraid to admit that you DID try but you failed. This subject seems to be an emotional matter to you, and the extremely harsh reality of Fedor's last few fights are too much to handle.

No, I am not interest in having a debate with you, as I would first need to respect your "opinions" first (in quotations because I don't even think what you type reflects your own original thought, it probably reflects what you read at a place like Sherdog). Hence the nitpicking, as you put it. You don't know what you're talking about, which is why you parrot the same stuff that is parroted everywhere else. It isn't as though it is not obvious to anyone who knows something.

You know why you've heard the same things before? Because they're TRUE. Fedor IS in fact past his prime. He DID lose 3 in a row by stoppage. He DID get KTFO by a man a weightclass below him. He did get outstruck standing by a guy who got ktfo in his next fight. he did just beat 2 guys who are far from top 10 or even top 20.

These are all facts. Perhaps I could present them to you in a more 'sensitive' manner, but it's still the truth. All you've done is say "oh you're just repeating sherdog stuff". if that's all you're gonna say then why even say anything at all. it just makes you look foolish.
Btw the only reason I'm saying this is to respond to talks of Fedor still being the best in the world.

Virgil Caine
01-01-2012, 01:30 PM
Then you should have never responded or instigated. I think you're affraid to admit that you DID try but you failed. This subject seems to be an emotional matter to you, and the extremely harsh reality of Fedor's last few fights are too much to handle.



You know why you've heard the same things before? Because they're TRUE. Fedor IS in fact past his prime. He DID lose 3 in a row by stoppage. He DID get KTFO by a man a weightclass below him. He did get outstruck standing by a guy who got ktfo in his next fight. he did just beat 2 guys who are far from top 10 or even top 20.

These are all facts. Perhaps I could present them to you in a more 'sensitive' manner, but it's still the truth. All you've done is say "oh you're just repeating sherdog stuff". if that's all you're gonna say then why even say anything at all. it just makes you look foolish.
Btw the only reason I'm saying this is to respond to talks of Fedor still being the best in the world.

It isn't an emotional attachment, although it is somewhat reflective of the fact that Fedor has been so denigrated from so many angles, though in particular originating with the USA MMA establishment (i.e. Zuffa) to the extent that people hate on him for no real reason, other than Dana White said to, essentially. This was going on well before his losses, and people wanted to see him lose. A fight is a fight, and stuff happens in a fight. I don't care if Hendo is a LHW, and I am not saying I would favor him against any top heavyweight, Fedor included (in a rematch--let me rephrase that, I think Fedor would kill him if they fought again). And I love Dan Henderson. What I will say, is Henderson could connect against any heavyweight and likely put him out. The guy has got prodigious power in his fists. In reality, Fedor had knocked Henderson down and rushed in for a kill, and Hendo (the 2x Olympic wrestler) pulled a very nifty move to capture Fedor's back, and from there hit him with a perfect shot which Fedor clearly never could have seen coming, to knock Fedor onto his face (though he was never out, but it wasn't necessarily a bad stoppage). I give Henderson all the props in the world, and that was a huge accomplishment. The guy has never been knocked out, and has defeated a perennial who's who of absolute legends across 3 weight divisions.

My whole point has been that Fedor still has the ability to be a top fighter, and he is still a world class fighter. But the way that the sport is reported on, and thereby presented to the public, is so heavily pro-Zuffa biased that there is little legitimate discussion which even goes on, and people repeat the same things over and over again, regardless of any merit.

The way that you present things like the Henderson fight (not the fight itself, the way you present it) is very reflective of a shallow knowledge of combat sports. A fight is a fight, and a fight is not fought on paper. On fight night, we had a 206 pound man and a 219 pound man squaring off. Sounds pretty fair to me. Hendo pulled off a phenomenal victory, and deserves all of his due credit. Saying things like "Fedor got defeated by a LHW who wouldn't defeat another top HW (some would say he's a MW)" just makes you look like a retard. I say it again, did you come up with that yourself, or are you just parroting what you read somewhere else, where it was being parroted from somewhere else? No need to answer, as we already know what the answer is.

And of course I know that kickboxing is popular in Holland. Who doesn't know that. I have also been to Holland, twice. I was there 8 months ago.