View Full Version : Do you guys think a 1966-'67 Ali would have struggled with Tyson's speed and power?


KO'er
12-29-2011, 11:22 PM
I have been watching Tyson fights there, he punches with extraordinary power but also with very quick hands. He has the hand speed of Floyd Patterson and Ali no doubt, along with the power.

Ali did face hard punchers like Liston, Frazier, Lyle. Plus guys who hit harder than Tyson in Foreman and Earnie Shavers. But he never faced anyone with very quick hands combined with massive punch power. He faced Floyd Patterson who had quick hands, but not near enough the same power as Tyson.

Do you guys think Ali from 1966-1967 could have been troubled by Tyson? I'm not rating on Tyson's greatness, but regards hand speed combined with massive power he never faced anyone like Tyson in his career. Ali never faced a fighter with both those characteristics.

FirePunch
12-29-2011, 11:30 PM
**** yeah even ali in his prime . Tyson wouldnt give ali enough time to figure him out or pick him apart .

I just think ali would go bye bye with a huge hook that lean back style he has is perfect for that punch .

Yes ali was the better boxer but tyson was a destroyer


Tyson vs ali with cus damato in tysons corner tyson wins 6th round brutal ko

IronDanHamza
12-29-2011, 11:46 PM
I think Tyson has a chance against the post Prison Ali.

But a prime Ali, I don't see how Tyson would beat him. He's not going to knock him out and he's not goign to win on points.

JAB5239
12-29-2011, 11:47 PM
**** yeah even ali in his prime . Tyson wouldnt give ali enough time to figure him out or pick him apart .

I just think ali would go bye bye with a huge hook that lean back style he has is perfect for that punch .

Yes ali was the better boxer but tyson was a destroyer


Tyson vs ali with cus damato in tysons corner tyson wins 6th round brutal ko

James "Quick" Tillis went the distance with Tyson a mere 6 months before Mike beat Berbick for the title. How is Ali not going to go the distance but Tillis could?

JAB5239
12-29-2011, 11:50 PM
Tyson pressures and looks good the first few rounds till he realizes Ali isn't intimidated or going anywhere. After that Ali takes over and wins by decision or late stoppage. Tyson was a beast, but if you didn't fold early and fought back he became frustrated and his attacked slowed down a lot.

NChristo
12-29-2011, 11:52 PM
**** yeah even ali in his prime . Tyson wouldnt give ali enough time to figure him out or pick him apart .

I just think ali would go bye bye with a huge hook that lean back style he has is perfect for that punch .

Yes ali was the better boxer but tyson was a destroyer


Tyson vs ali with cus damato in tysons corner tyson wins 6th round brutal ko

Like he took out Tillis who was a very poor mans Ali ?.

Tyson's power and speed is a problem for anyone and the 1st 5 rounds would be dangerous, don't see him winning though.

Forza
12-30-2011, 12:53 AM
Ali chops up any version of tyson, it's not even close. You're talking about a guy that got flattened by buster douglas and couldn't even stop mitch green, compared to the GOAT. LOL

gibo
12-30-2011, 01:47 AM
Ali kicks the sh*t out of Tyson's *ss. Fight aint even close.

Harry Balls
12-30-2011, 05:47 AM
Tyson pressures and looks good the first few rounds till he realizes Ali isn't intimidated or going anywhere. After that Ali takes over and wins by decision or late stoppage. Tyson was a beast, but if you didn't fold early and fought back he became frustrated and his attacked slowed down a lot.

this seems quite spot on.

Quite a lot of Tysons game was getting opponents to fold mentally. It could never happen with Ali.

Barn
12-30-2011, 07:28 AM
Can't add anymore, Everyone will struggle getting used to Tyson for 2 rounds. No matter how great they are. Ali however always worked out his opponent early on and he'd be landing those lightning straights at mid range and dancing away before Tyson gets into range and lands a combo.

bojangles1987
12-30-2011, 12:43 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but I've never thought Tyson stood much a chance at all of beating prime Muhammad Ali. He'd have lost before they even stepped in the ring, and would get absolutely picked apart.

EDIT: Okay I guess I'm not in the minority. Usually when people talk this fight though it's split or people talk about how tough Tyson would be for Ali. I don't think he'd be tough for Ali at all.

Sugarj
12-30-2011, 06:15 PM
I think prime Tyson would be a very scary opponent for anyone for 5 or 6 rounds!

Tyson was a pretty solid 12 round fighter too, but as already mentioned he did slow a bit over the final six rounds of a fight.

I personally think Ali gets a serious scare for a few rounds but recovers to take a close decision. I don't think he stops a prime, motivated and well trained Tyson.

Sugarj
12-30-2011, 06:19 PM
I personally think prime Patterson vs prime Ali would be a very good fight.

Their 1965 fight was very much hampered in my opinion by Patterson's back injury. The Patterson from the Johansson return fight a few years previously may have made a very interesting fight.

Its worth watching their 1972 fight too, Patterson boxed very well that night.

Scott9945
12-30-2011, 10:17 PM
I personally think prime Patterson vs prime Ali would be a very good fight.

Their 1965 fight was very much hampered in my opinion by Patterson's back injury. The Patterson from the Johansson return fight a few years previously may have made a very interesting fight.

Its worth watching their 1972 fight too, Patterson boxed very well that night.

While I don't agree with the first paragraph, I definitely agree with the last one. Floyd put up a very spirited effort in the second Ali fight and had his moments. But ultimately he was just too small to stay with Ali for the distance.

New England
12-30-2011, 10:37 PM
speed?

perhaps.

for a few rounds tyson had terrific foot and hand speed and nice crisp combinations

good head movement too.

that only really lasted for a few rounds, at least with any consistency



power?

nah.
ali had a monster chin. one of the best ever.
he might get a bit shaken up but i doubt very much he's simply getting his doors blown off.

The Bear
12-31-2011, 01:59 AM
tyson was compaired to fraizer in style, i think tyson was way more powerful. and fraizer beat ali in their first bout at msg in 71. i think ali would have fustrated tyson but eventualy like all the rest in the beging of tysons carrier, ali would have been k.o.

Barn
12-31-2011, 09:11 AM
tyson was compaired to fraizer in style, i think tyson was way more powerful. and fraizer beat ali in their first bout at msg in 71. i think ali would have fustrated tyson but eventualy like all the rest in the beging of tysons carrier, ali would have been k.o.
Frazier and Tyson are much further apart in terms of style than you realise at first.

roye'l
12-31-2011, 09:59 AM
**** yeah even ali in his prime . Tyson wouldnt give ali enough time to figure him out or pick him apart .

I just think ali would go bye bye with a huge hook that lean back style he has is perfect for that punch .

Yes ali was the better boxer but tyson was a destroyer


Tyson vs ali with cus damato in tysons corner tyson wins 6th round brutal ko

You obviously haven't seen the bonecrusher smith fight ,Tyson couldn't put away him and Smith couldn't lace Ali's boots

SBleeder
12-31-2011, 10:17 AM
Frazier and Tyson are much further apart in terms of style than you realise at first.

Only one of them could fight on the inside.

bojangles1987
12-31-2011, 11:19 AM
Frazier and Tyson are much further apart in terms of style than you realise at first.

Very far away. They are similar in size, that's about it to me.

GJC
12-31-2011, 03:58 PM
tyson was compaired to fraizer in style, i think tyson was way more powerful. and fraizer beat ali in their first bout at msg in 71. i think ali would have fustrated tyson but eventualy like all the rest in the beging of tysons carrier, ali would have been k.o.
I would bet vital parts of my anatomy that Tyson wouldn't knock out any version of Ali.
The only way Tyson could make Ali uncomfortable would be to fight inside when Ali got off his toes. If Bonecrusher could tie up Tyson, Ali could gift wrap him with a bow.
Ali possessed one of the great chins so Tyson isn't knocking him out. Also you would need great mental strength to beat Ali, again Tyson falls short. Terrible match up for Tyson this.

roye'l
01-01-2012, 08:28 AM
I would bet vital parts of my anatomy that Tyson wouldn't knock out any version of Ali.
The only way Tyson could make Ali uncomfortable would be to fight inside when Ali got off his toes. If Bonecrusher could tie up Tyson, Ali could gift wrap him with a bow.
Ali possessed one of the great chins so Tyson isn't knocking him out. Also you would need great mental strength to beat Ali, again Tyson falls short. Terrible match up for Tyson this.

Indeed but who are we to argue this,Cus actually told Tyson that Ali was unbeatable but heck thats only Cus not like his opinion means anything to posters on this site :grr: