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JAB5239
12-27-2011, 03:34 PM
How many fighters have a claim for being an all time top 10 fighter in 2 of the original 8 divisions?.

Robinson will be the first name that springs to mind so lets just get him out of the way now...that's a gimme.

I'll start off with Barney Ross at lightweight and welterweight.

Who do you got? Don't be afraid to list guys who may be on the fence, lets get some discussion going!

RubenSonny
12-27-2011, 04:10 PM
Ezzard Charles in LHW and MW (arguable top 10, not sure I'd put him there personally). Harry Greb at MW and LHW.

IronDanHamza
12-27-2011, 04:13 PM
Good thread. Something different.

Armstrong has an argument to be in the Top 10 of 3; Featherweight, Lightweight, Welterweight.

Greb - Middleweight & Light Heavyweight.

Hmm, tough question.

Would be much easier if you included all weight classes I.E Holyfield - CW & HW, Arguello 126 & 130, Ortiz 135 & 140, Hearns 147 & 154, etc etc

But Orginal 8 I think there's only a handful.

RubenSonny
12-27-2011, 04:16 PM
Charley Burley at WW and MW.

goblin213
12-27-2011, 05:21 PM
Micky Walker?

RubenSonny
12-27-2011, 05:28 PM
George Dixon at BW and FW.

JAB5239
12-27-2011, 07:12 PM
Arguello at feather and lightweight?

Scott9945
12-27-2011, 08:03 PM
Arguello at feather and lightweight?

Arguello was talented enough to be top ten at 135. The problem is that he only had eight fights at that weight, and we are talking top 10 all time here.

NChristo
12-27-2011, 08:40 PM
Sam Langford, Middleweight and Light Heavy.

Forza
12-27-2011, 09:30 PM
One could make the argument that ezzard charles was top 3 LHW top 3 HW

Another underrated win in which marciano gets 0 credit for even though charles was only 32 and had twice the ring experience and was taller and weighed more and had way longer reach

Boxing Bob
12-27-2011, 09:59 PM
I wanna know who would make the agruement Charles was a top 10 hwt let alone top 3

IronDanHamza
12-27-2011, 10:01 PM
One could make the argument that ezzard charles was top 3 LHW top 3 HW

Another underrated win in which marciano gets 0 credit for even though charles was only 32 and had twice the ring experience and was taller and weighed more and had way longer reach

No, you can't.

JAB5239
12-27-2011, 10:23 PM
One could make the argument that ezzard charles was top 3 LHW top 3 HW

Another underrated win in which marciano gets 0 credit for even though charles was only 32 and had twice the ring experience and was taller and weighed more and had way longer reach

There is no argument Charles is a top 3 heavy. You could argue top 10, but no way top 3.

Barn
12-27-2011, 10:25 PM
Armstrong, FW, WW.

Forza
12-27-2011, 11:03 PM
I meant charles was a top 3 HW in his division when he was fighting, not ATG

goblin213
12-27-2011, 11:30 PM
What about Fighting Harada, gentlemen? Could one make the argument that he is top 10 all time at fly and bantam?

JAB5239
12-28-2011, 01:47 AM
I meant charles was a top 3 HW in his division when he was fighting, not ATG

Of course he was. For his era it would be Marciano, Charles and than Walcott in my opinion. But this is an all time exercise.I suppose if you want to get technical you could put Charles at lightheavy and p4p, but p4p isn't a weight class and far more subjective due to the wider scope of fighters.

lazy
12-28-2011, 03:28 AM
Would Emile Griffith qualify?

BattlingNelson
12-28-2011, 06:40 AM
Besides the names mentioned I've got a longshot: Ray Leonard. Definetely top 10 WW. Question is if the Hagler win alone puts him in the top 10 at 160. I reckon it could be argued considering Hagler is top 3 all-time.

Barn
12-28-2011, 07:33 AM
Besides the names mentioned I've got a longshot: Ray Leonard. Definetely top 10 WW. Question is if the Hagler win alone puts him in the top 10 at 160. I reckon it could be argued considering Hagler is top 3 all-time.
I just don't see it, maybe in a less stacked division you could do things like that (Tunney at HW to a certain extent) but, not at MW.

raf727
12-28-2011, 08:24 AM
Charley Burley at WW and MW.

charley was the man, green k



this is a tall order here, great thread. anyone i can think of has already been mentioned, greb, burley, etc etc. im interested to see what the rest of you boxing historians can come up with

BennyST
12-28-2011, 10:34 AM
Besides the names mentioned I've got a longshot: Ray Leonard. Definetely top 10 WW. Question is if the Hagler win alone puts him in the top 10 at 160. I reckon it could be argued considering Hagler is top 3 all-time.

Nah....just too much talent at 160. It's among the deepest divisions with 135, and 147. I have seen a number of people put Duran in the top ten at 147, purely because he may have the greatest single win ever, along with a bunch of other great and good wins at 147 (Palomino, Brooks etc).

Otherwise Armstrong, Robinson, Ross, Moore, Charles, etc. etc.

New England
12-28-2011, 10:35 AM
armstrong
robinson
charles

Edit : (forgot to actually put his name down)
evander holyfield
if you count cruiserweights you'll find some people making the argument to include him in their HW top ten, (not me, as much as i like the man)

and he's certainly the best CW ever.

rorymac
12-28-2011, 03:59 PM
Armstrong
Charles
Bat mentioned Leonard, he's on the fence at MW in my opinion.

IronDanHamza
12-28-2011, 04:50 PM
Besides the names mentioned I've got a longshot: Ray Leonard. Definetely top 10 WW. Question is if the Hagler win alone puts him in the top 10 at 160. I reckon it could be argued considering Hagler is top 3 all-time.

Nah, no way.

No way you could justify putting someone in the Top 10 at MW having just a single fight there.

The division is way too accomplished.

Greatest1942
12-28-2011, 10:01 PM
Good thread. Something different.

Armstrong has an argument to be in the Top 10 of 3; Featherweight, Lightweight, Welterweight.

Greb - Middleweight & Light Heavyweight.

Hmm, tough question.

Would be much easier if you included all weight classes I.E Holyfield - CW & HW, Arguello 126 & 130, Ortiz 135 & 140, Hearns 147 & 154, etc etc

But Orginal 8 I think there's only a handful.

Billy Conn at middleweight and LHW. Has a legitimate claim, at both divisions. (MW top 10 is difficult I know).

SRR surely at middleweight and Welter.

Langfored at LHW and HW.

Gene Tunney is generally ranked in the top 10 in LHW and HW...part of which I don't agree with but he is ranked that way by a lot of credible people.

Duran at LW and WW maybe.

raf727
12-28-2011, 10:11 PM
Billy Conn at middleweight and LHW. Has a legitimate claim, at both divisions. (MW top 10 is difficult I know).

SRR surely at middleweight and Welter.

Langfored at LHW and HW.

Gene Tunney is generally ranked in the top 10 in LHW and HW...part of which I don't agree with but he is ranked that way by a lot of credible people.

Duran at LW and WW maybe.

oh man why didnt i think of conn, im from pittsburgh for gods sake!


touche sir, touche

NChristo
12-28-2011, 11:15 PM
Billy Conn at middleweight and LHW. Has a legitimate claim, at both divisions. (MW top 10 is difficult I know).

SRR surely at middleweight and Welter.

Langfored at LHW and HW.

Gene Tunney is generally ranked in the top 10 in LHW and HW...part of which I don't agree with but he is ranked that way by a lot of credible people.

Duran at LW and WW maybe.

Langford has a much stronger argument for top 10 MW then HW, can't see him top 10 HW myself.

GJC
12-31-2011, 03:49 PM
Good topic, not sure as great as they were Charles and Conn squeak in at top 10 MW, he'll of a deep division. Tunney, Duran & Arguello probably suffer on time served in their 2nd best weight. For me you have SRR, Greb, Walker and Armstrong as nailed on. Armstrong might be a good argument for 3 top 10's, H2H I'd struggle to pick ten fighters that would definitely beat him at his 3 title weights.
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