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Dempsey 1919
11-14-2005, 02:40 PM
who do you think, and be honest really gave blacks an opportunity in hw championship boxing?

RAESAAD
11-14-2005, 02:42 PM
Honestly....some white slave trader probably saw a black slave beat the piss out of another white slave trader who in turn found the biggest goofiest red neck ****er he could to beat down the slave and the slave whooped him too so they said hmmm we can make money off of him like this......IMO.

Dempsey 1919
11-14-2005, 02:55 PM
Honestly....some white slave trader probably saw a black slave beat the piss out of another white slave trader who in turn found the biggest goofiest red neck ****er he could to beat down the slave and the slave whooped him too so they said hmmm we can make money off of him like this......IMO.

you're probably right.

M26
11-14-2005, 04:16 PM
who do you think, and be honest really gave blacks an opportunity in hw championship boxing?

Joe Louis.

Dempsey 1919
11-14-2005, 04:19 PM
Joe Louis.

really, not jack?

JMCbulls
11-14-2005, 04:45 PM
i went joe, just because of how he was the biggest hero of african culture for a while, and how important his fights against max were for his fans

VERSION1 (V1)
11-14-2005, 04:47 PM
joe did more because a lot of whites love joe and did not go out and kill black like when jack beat the great white hype

Skydog
11-14-2005, 08:47 PM
No one liked Jack, and wanted to see him dead. He made blacks scared to box. Everyone loved Joe Louis, cause he was a good guy, didn't cause any controversies, and encouraged blacks to fight.

blockhead
11-14-2005, 09:10 PM
joe louis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whatdahieu
11-14-2005, 09:27 PM
this question has no merit, jack johnson was a hated man not only by whites( because he beat a white man) but also by other blacks, he sold out and wedded a white woman, many felt that this was the ultimate in your face to white america but damaged black america as it caused more racial tenisions amongst blacks and whites, he was also an idiot and jerk by many accouts, well thats what all the books say, i don't know the guy

Da Iceman
11-14-2005, 09:32 PM
jack caused whites to hate black people more. joe was respected by white people

KidBlackie
11-15-2005, 07:17 AM
who do you think, and be honest really gave blacks an opportunity in hw championship boxing?
Well, we figured out a long time ago that you and the usual suspects don't think about anything but fillin' the boards with goofy junk.

Before Jack Johnson ever came on the scene there were some all time great black champs, George Dixon, Joe Walcott and Joe Gans who fought in little 2 oz gloves on barges and roped off pastures in some of the earliest gloved bouts under modern rules. These guys were as tough as they come and they took on all comers.

Peter Jackson was the great British Commonwealth heavy champ who sailed over to the States for a shot. Unfortunately Sullivan refused to face him and Corbett and Jeffries didn't hold a belt when they fought him. Regardless, he didn't win those fights and contracted TB and died before opportunity came knocking, but he was widely respected.

After Johnson came along opportunities for black fighters dried up quickly. It wasn't until 2 decades later that Armstrong, Robinson, and more importantly Joe Louis reestablished the great reputation black fighters had before Johnson. Louis was the figurehead for all opportunity afterwards. Without Louis there would be no Jackie Robinson, MLK, Nelson Mandela, Ali, ect.

Jack Blackburn, Louis'trainer and contempary of Johnson, hated Jack Johnson with a passion because of what he did to black fighters.

Joe Gans was in one of the earliest superfights held in Nevada in Tex Rickard's first promotion, so you could say that Joe and Tex established the first sucessful record that could be built on.

To be fair to Johnson, he was not completely to blame for the lack of opportunity that followed. Jack London and various news media editors allowed a racial hysteria to be whipped up that Johnson assisted with that made it impossible for black fighters who followed Johnson.

Geez, son, the Ken Burns doc and the bio of Johnson have been out for some time now. When you ever gonna grow up and catch up?

Dempsey 1919
11-15-2005, 03:51 PM
Well, we figured out a long time ago that you and the usual suspects don't think about anything but fillin' the boards with goofy junk.

Before Jack Johnson ever came on the scene there were some all time great black champs, George Dixon, Joe Walcott and Joe Gans who fought in little 2 oz gloves on barges and roped off pastures in some of the earliest gloved bouts under modern rules. These guys were as tough as they come and they took on all comers.

Peter Jackson was the great British Commonwealth heavy champ who sailed over to the States for a shot. Unfortunately Sullivan refused to face him and Corbett and Jeffries didn't hold a belt when they fought him. Regardless, he didn't win those fights and contracted TB and died before opportunity came knocking, but he was widely respected.

After Johnson came along opportunities for black fighters dried up quickly. It wasn't until 2 decades later that Armstrong, Robinson, and more importantly Joe Louis reestablished the great reputation black fighters had before Johnson. Louis was the figurehead for all opportunity afterwards. Without Louis there would be no Jackie Robinson, MLK, Nelson Mandela, Ali, ect.

Jack Blackburn, Louis'trainer and contempary of Johnson, hated Jack Johnson with a passion because of what he did to black fighters.

Joe Gans was in one of the earliest superfights held in Nevada in Tex Rickard's first promotion, so you could say that Joe and Tex established the first sucessful record that could be built on.

To be fair to Johnson, he was not completely to blame for the lack of opportunity that followed. Jack London and various news media editors allowed a racial hysteria to be whipped up that Johnson assisted with that made it impossible for black fighters who followed Johnson.

Geez, son, the Ken Burns doc and the bio of Johnson have been out for some time now. When you ever gonna grow up and catch up?

why are you jumping on me like that? i didn't even give my opinion on this yet, but already you are trashing me on my own thred, while giving an answer! i just want your opinion, whatever it is. i don't wan't to be verbally thrashed like it was wrong for me to put this thread up in the first place.

Dempsey 1919
11-18-2005, 04:33 PM
i suppose louis was more of a groundbreaker cause after him, blacks took over thw hw championship from then on.

Imira
11-18-2005, 04:58 PM
Definitely Louis. He was groomed to be the Anti-Johnson.