So did anyone watch the debate last night. I watched most of it and thought Kerry destroyed Dubya. He looks so much more poised and presidential than the President himself. Bush looked like a pissed off red neck. Bush tried to utter a 6 syllable word at one point and I almost lost it. Kerry was all about specifics. Bush was about parroting dumb little catch phrases. I would be embarrassed to be a republican trying to defend this half-witted troll.

yea i saw parts of it. Bush seemed to get a little pissed. Kerry looked a but like a pretender to me, nice suit though.
I thought the questioning sucked and seemed like it was all rehersed.
Kerrys head is abnormally long. It was like watching Bert and Ernie from sesame street!

yea i saw parts of it. Bush seemed to get a little pissed. Kerry looked a but like a pretender to me, nice suit though.
I thought the questioning sucked and seemed like it was all rehersed.
Kerrys head is abnormally long. It was like watching Bert and Ernie from sesame street!


Bingo! We've got bingo! lol

Kerry did carry his mannerisms better than Bush. Bush looked like he wanted to be watching college football instead. In that sense He may have won the debate. I do think Bush is handling the Koreans masterfully. Korea wants to try to pin us down and push their luck. When we get South Korea, China, and Japan to talk to them, It shows Korea that the "World" wants them to disarm, not just the U.S. If Kerry opens up bilatteral talks with Korea, I can almost garantee we will have to go to war with them inside 2.5 years.

I hate to admit it, but Kerry has the momentum in his favor.

the parts i seen bush looked frustrated and may have felt inferior in terms of smarts.

I preferred the Presidential debate in 2000 during the SNL show.

Moderator: "Sum up your bid for the presidency in one word."
Bush: "Strategery."
Gore: "Lockbox."

Missed it sorry

Why are you digging up all these ancient threads?

This thread should be stickied.

politics and current event should be discussed at least once a week to show we are more than a bunch of muscleheaded troglodites. :D

This thread should be stickied.

politics and current event should be discussed at least once a week to show we are more than a bunch of muscleheaded troglodites. :D
Sadly I am a musclehead troglodyte(whatever that means) :(

Sadly I am a musclehead troglodyte(whatever that means) :(

Take this test:

Can you name at least 1 of the Senators from your state?

Can you name the US military base located on the island of Cuba and what it is currently being used for?

Can you name the dictator of North Korea?

Do you know who Lee Harvey Oswald is?

Who is Zacarias Moussaoui and why was he on trial?

If you answered at least 4 correct there is hope for you. Less than that and you a are a sloped foreheaded Neanderthal. :p

Take this test:

Can you name at least 1 of the Senators from your state?

Can you name the US military base located on the island of Cuba and what it is currently being used for?

Can you name the dictator of North Korea?

Do you know who Lee Harvey Oswald is?

Who is Zacarias Moussaoui and why was he on trial?

If you answered at least 4 correct there is hope for you. Less than that and you a are a sloped foreheaded Neanderthal. :p
1) Hillary Clinton
2)guantanamo bay, used to detain the potential terrorists
3)
4)Lee harvey Oswald was the oclahoma bomber. executed.
5) a terrorist, who planned the 9/11 attacks. got life term in jail

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12979820/

I will give 15 billion points to anyone who can get me a copy of this video. :D :p

1) Hillary Clinton
2)guantanamo bay, used to detain the potential terrorists
3)
4)Lee harvey Oswald was the oclahoma bomber. executed.
5) a terrorist, who planned the 9/11 attacks. got life term in jail

3 is Kim Jong Il
4 he 'killed' jfk, was killed after he was arrested
5 he didnt plan the 9/11 attacks but was invloved, charged with conspiricy.

528.........

528.........


hughes vs gracie...who you got Rasta?

Dude, why did you do that? :D

BERLIN - A knife-wielding teenager went on a rampage and attacked pedestrians as they left a celebration in Berlin, wounding 27 people, police said Saturday.

Police arrested a 17-year-old suspect, a German from Berlin’s working-class Neukoelln district, police spokesman Bernhard Schodrowski told The Associated Press.

None of the victims had life-threatening injuries and there were no children among them, Schodrowski said.

The attacker had mingled with crowds leaving a sound-and-light show inaugurating Berlin’s new central rail station in the heart of the capital on Friday night. He began to randomly attack people in a narrow street, which made it difficult for police and emergency services to reach the scene, leading to the high number of injured, Schodrowski said.

“Many of the injured went to the hospital on their own and we are only now beginning to get a clear idea of the numbers,” he said hours after the attack. Police were urging victims to register with them to help with their investigation.

Panic broke out among the crowd and 11 ambulances and about 100 officers were called to the scene, Schodrowski said.

Motive unknown
The motive for the attack was not immediately known, Schodrowski said, although the suspect was known to police for previous acts of violence. It was not clear if the attacker was under the influence of drugs or alcohol, Schodrowski said.

Several hundred thousand people had packed the city center to watch the festive inauguration of the city’s new main train station, touted as the largest in Europe and the final major construction project for the German capital’s government sector.

Chancellor Angela Merkel attended the opening ceremonies several hours before the attack occurred and praised the new, light-flooded station as a symbolic bridge between Germany’s formerly divided east and west.

“It is a modern, open building, symbolic for Berlin and for Germany,” Merkel said.

The new station straddles the path of the former Berlin Wall, which divided the city during the Cold War. Construction took eight years and the project cost an estimated $1 billion. Some 300,000 passengers a day are expected to use the station’s 14 platforms.

i want gracie to triangle choke him , but i expect hughes to win

Hamas calls off truce, fires rockets at Israel
Attack after artillery strike killed 7; internal strife plagues Palestinians

BEIT LAHIYA, Gaza Strip - The ruling Hamas group fired a barrage of homemade rockets at Israel on Saturday, hours after calling off a truce with Israel in anger over an artillery attack that killed seven civilians at a beachside picnic in the Gaza Strip.

The end of the truce raised the prospect of a new wave of bloodshed and the resumption of suicide attacks that Hamas had suspended since reaching the cease-fire in February 2005.

The Islamic militant group claimed responsibility for at least 15 of the rockets fired after midnight, as well as a barrage of mortar bombs. The attacks caused no casualties, and the Israeli army said nearly all of them appeared to land inside Gaza.

The earthquake in the Zionist towns will start again and the aggressors will have no choice but to prepare their coffins or their luggage,” the Hamas militants said in a leaflet. “The resistance groups ... will choose the proper place and time for the tough, strong and unique response.”

Israel launches probe into beach blast
Israel’s artillery attack was part of a wider aerial and artillery bombardment of suspected Palestinian rocket-launching sites that killed a total of 10 people Friday. Three were militants.

Maj. Gen. Yoav Galant, Israel’s southern commander, said investigators were trying to determine if an errant tank shell killed the people at the beach.

“I express deep regret over the fact that uninvolved persons have been hit,” Galant told reporters.

The violence fueled tensions already high over an Israeli airstrike that killed a militant commander in the Hamas-led government on Thursday. Tens of thousands of people packed a Gaza soccer stadium Friday for Jamal Abu Samhadana’s funeral.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas condemned the attack on the beach as a “genocidal crime.” He called for international intervention and declared a three-day mourning period. His rival, Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas, said the shelling was a “war crime” and urged an end to recent fighting between Hamas and Abbas’ moderate Fatah movement.

Infighting plagues Palestinian factions
But the internal strife continued Saturday. Gunmen killed a Fatah security officer while trying to kidnap him overnight Saturday, the Palestinian Preventive Security said. The Fatah-aligned security force blamed Hamas and vowed to retaliate, accusing the Islamic militants of “shedding Palestinian blood and killing without showing any moral, religious, behavior.”

Fatah boycotted a meeting with Haniyeh on Saturday aimed at calming tensions between the two groups. Fatah spokesman Tawfiq Abu Khoussa said Hamas had committed a “number of violations” in recent days, including killing the security officer.

Israel’s attacks raised doubts about whether Abbas would go ahead with a referendum on establishing a Palestinian state alongside Israel despite pleas from Hamas to hold off.

Abbas is eager to restart stalled peace talks with Israel, and on Saturday was expected to formally announce a July 31 date for the referendum.

Haniyeh sent a letter to Abbas on Friday urging him not to hold the vote, saying it would divide the Palestinian people. He urged Abbas to continue negotiations with Hamas over the plan and proposed forming a unity government with Fatah.

Friday’s killings could erode what has been widespread public support for the referendum. At large Hamas demonstrations Friday, many chanted anti-referendum slogans.

Israel said its attacks were aimed at areas that Palestinian militants used to fire homemade rockets.

“Harming innocent civilians is of course totally unacceptable and we will do whatever we can to avoid civilian loss of life,” said Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev.

“What we were trying to do is to stop the daily volleys of rockets from Gaza into our civilian communities inside Israel,” he said. “Unfortunately, we have a situation where the Palestinian government does nothing whatsoever to prevent the launching of these rockets.”

Scenes of horror on Gaza beach
Kamal Ghobn said he had just arrived at the beach on a bus with about 50 relatives when the attack took place. “I was still parking the bus and everyone got out to go to the beach. As I locked the door I felt the thud of the shells and felt a sting in my side,” said Ghobn, who was slightly wounded by shrapnel. He said he saw four shells land.

The artillery fire scattered body parts, destroyed a tent and sent bloody sheets flying into the air. A panicked crowd quickly gathered, screaming and running around hysterically.

A sobbing girl lay in the sand, crying for her father. “Father! Father!” she screamed.

A man’s body lay motionless in the sand nearby.

Palestinian officials said seven people were killed and more than 30 were wounded at the beach. Hardest hit was the Ghalia family, which lost six members, among them the father, one of his two wives, an infant boy and an 18-month-old girl.

“This was his first day at the beach this summer. He was taking his kids to play. It’s destiny,” said Nasreen Ghalia, the dead father’s sister-in-law. She said one of the survivors was a 7-year-old girl, Hadeel, who had not been told she had lost her parents and siblings.

In an Israeli airstrike elsewhere in northern Gaza, three militants were killed after they fired a rocket into Israel.

Palistinians or Israelis

whose side taking in this long lasting middleweight battle?

I'm going with Israel KO w/in 6.

lol, we need more cops like this.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060609/060610_TOPLESS_DEPUTY_vsm.vsmall.jpg

HOT SPRINGS, Ark. - A sheriff’s deputy who is accused of going topless at a campground has been fired and charged with indecent exposure and disorderly conduct.

Dawn Rene Roberson, 38, of Royal, was fired Wednesday after she turned herself in on the misdemeanor charges.

According to incident reports, a marine patrol deputy and a park ranger told a topless Roberson to cover up in separate encounters Sunday.

Later, authorities received a complaint that a woman without a top was in view of children.

Complaint: Deputy was 'loud and disorderly'
One report said a grandmother complained that the topless woman became “loud and disorderly” after she told the woman to cover up. Another camper told authorities the woman became belligerent when confronted.

In both instances, the topless woman said she was a law officer, according to the reports.

The next day, one of the people who complained identified Roberson in a photo of members of the jail staff, officials said.

A July 18 court appearance was set for Roberson. She could face up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine on the exposure charge and up to 30 days in jail and a $100 fine on the disorderly conduct charge.

Police raid ‘Animal House’ fraternity
Evidence removed as part of 2-year investigation at Dartmouth

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060609/060609_animalHouse_hmed_1p.hmedium.jpg
The Alpha Delta fraternity at Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H., an inspiration for the 1978 movie "National Lampoon's Animal House," is shown Friday.

HANOVER, N.H. - Authorities raided the Dartmouth College fraternity that helped inspire the movie “Animal House,” carrying off 10 crates, a computer and other items. Investigators refused to say what the search on the Ivy League campus was about.

Court documents on Thursday’s raid were sealed, and Hanover police said only that the search at the Alpha Delta house was part of a two-year investigation and that they expect to make arrests. Alpha Delta members turned a reporter away at the door Friday.

Dartmouth junior Joe Kutney, a member of the Tri-Kap fraternity, said Alpha Delta can be “a pretty crazy house” whose members are proud of their party reputation. But he added that Alpha Delta is not the only Dartmouth frat with such a reputation.

“Animal House” portrayed fraternity debauchery at the fictional Delta House, whose members repeatedly thwart and embarrass the Faber College officials determined to banish them. One of the writers of the 1978 movie, Chris Miller, was a 1964 Dartmouth graduate and a member of Alpha Delta.

A ‘major interruption’
Police removed 10 crates, two bags, a videotape and a computer during the raid. Police Chief Nick Giaccone said a 19-year-old student was arrested at the house on a drug charge Thursday, but the arrest was not related to the investigation.

The police chief said the investigation began in October 2004 following an incident at the fraternity, which is owned by a group of its alumni called the Dartmouth Corporation of Alpha Delta.

George Ostler, lawyer for the fraternity members, would not comment except to call the search a “major interruption.” The raid came as parents began arriving on campus for graduation Sunday.

Dartmouth spokesman Roland Adams said the school does not release disciplinary records for Dartmouth’s 24 single-sex fraternities and sororities or the three co-ed organizations. More than a third of the school’s 4,100 undergraduates are members of single-sex fraternities and sororities. Adams would not say what the investigation was about.

Frats and sororities are central to the social life on the rural campus, and some of them have a reputation for hard drinking and raucous behavior. Dartmouth has been trying for years to curb the drinking, reduce the role of fraternities and give students more things to do.

Last year, the Theta Delta Chi fraternity was indicted on charges it served alcohol to minors. And in 2001, the school banned the Zeta Psi fraternity for printing newsletters that detailed the sexual exploits of its members.



****ing pigs have no respect. This is just a case of "Boys being boys." :cool:

Music Video About Marine Sparks Anger
By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
5 hours ago

WASHINGTON - A music video posted to the Internet, telling a tale about a U.S. Marine killing members of an Iraqi family, is being condemned by an Islamic group and investigated by the Marine Corps.

The four-minute video, called "Hadji Girl," appears to be sung by a Marine in front of a cheering audience. The lyrics talk about the Marine gunning down members of an Iraqi woman's family after they confront him with automatic weapons.

Lt. Col. Scott Fazekas, a spokesman for the Marines, said Tuesday that the Marines were aware of a video posted on the Internet that "purports to show a Marine singing an insensitive song about Iraqis." Fazekas said officials don't know the identity of the singer or whether he is in the military.

The song was "inappropriate and contrary to the high standards expected of all Marines," Fazekas said. He said Marine officers are looking into the matter.

Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said that in light of recent allegations of atrocities committed by Marines in Haditha and other towns in Iraq, the video should be investigated by the Pentagon and Congress.

"The inappropriate actions of a few individuals should not be allowed to tarnish the reputation of all American military personnel," said Awad.

The video was posted anonymously on the http://www.youtube.com Web site, but was removed. It is still available on CAIR's web site. A Hadji is a pilgrim who journeys to Mecca, but CAIR said the word has often been used as a disparaging term by U.S. troops in Iraq.

"The video is not reflective of the tremendous sacrifices and dedication demonstrated, on a daily basis, by tens of thousands of Marines who have assisted the Iraqi people in gaining their freedom," Fazekas said. "We agree with the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations that the inappropriate actions of a few individuals should not tarnish the reputation of all American military personnel."

The singer is shown playing a guitar and singing about meeting an Iraqi woman and then being confronted by her brother and father, who have guns. The lyrics describe the Marine pulling the woman's little sister in front of him and watching blood spray from her head.

He then sings about blowing the father and brother "to eternity."


You can see the video here:

http://www.cair-net.org/

I don't see the big deal. Art copies life and the troops in Iraq are facing a near impossible situation from an invisible enemy just like in Vietnam.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/06/341238.shtml

BYU Physics Prof Finds Thermate in WTC Physical Samples, Building Collapses an Inside Job
author: Jacob Hamblin
Based on chemical analysis of WTC structural steel residue, a Brigham Young University physics professor has identified the material as Thermate. Thermate is the controlled demolition explosive thermite plus sulfur. Sulfur cases the thermite to burn hotter, cutting steel quickly and leaving trails of yellow colored residue.

wtc steel with diagonal cut, thermate residue
Prof. Steven Jones, who conducted his PhD research at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center and post-doctoral research at Cornell University and the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility, has analyised materials from WTC and has detected the existence of thermate, used for "cutting" the steel support columns, as evident in the photo below.

Dr. Jones is a co-founder of Scholars for 911 Truth.

Dr. Jones in earlier work pointed to thermate as the likely explosive that brought down the WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 skyscrapers. But only recently was physical material analysed in the lab and the presense of thermate announced. The samples were provided Dr. Jones team from redundant sourses.

Both BYU and Prof. Jones have been offered additional grants if he would "change the direction" of his research. In addition, there have been threats made by an individual who "is taking action" to stop Steven Jones' research, specifically his experiment with thermites (aluminothermics), on the grounds his work may be helpful to "terrorists". Jones notes that much more detailed information on both thermite and thermate is readily available on the internet.