View Full Version : What does it mean to be a "master boxer"?


kendom
12-17-2011, 12:47 PM
What does the word "master boxer" mean to you? What qualifies a fighter as a "master boxer", can a fighter lacking fundamentals be classed as one?????#

Thanks in advance

Barn
12-17-2011, 12:53 PM
Hit and don't get hit.

kendom
12-17-2011, 01:02 PM
Hit and don't get hit.

So under your definition would Ali or Jones be a master boxer? I know that there are many who state that they relied too much on speed and reflexes without the grounding in fundamentals

DarkTerror88
12-17-2011, 01:07 PM
To me a master boxer has perfect fundamentals, good defense, can dictate the pace of a fight with a jab, can counterpunch well and overall does not get hit often.

To me a master boxer would be the likes of:
Joe Gans
Ezzard Charles
Gene Tunney
Willie Pep
Larry Holmes
Marvin Hagler
Benny Leonard

Barn
12-17-2011, 01:16 PM
So under your definition would Ali or Jones be a master boxer? I know that there are many who state that they relied too much on speed and reflexes without the grounding in fundamentals
Well, I wouldn't class them as master boxers no. I would define it as "Hit and Not get hit" using boxing technique. Pernell Whitaker etc doesn't fall into that category, whereas Willie Pep does. Also having a classic boxer/boxer puncher style.

IronDanHamza
12-17-2011, 01:16 PM
To me a master boxer has perfect fundamentals, good defense, can dictate the pace of a fight with a jab, can counterpunch well and overall does not get hit often.

To me a master boxer would be the likes of:
Joe Gans
Ezzard Charles
Gene Tunney
Willie Pep
Larry Holmes
Marvin Hagler
Benny Leonard

Good definition.

Add the ability to do everything to a capable level. Inside and outside.

I consider someone like Dick Tiger to be a master in the ring. Despite not being to flashy.

Another one to ad to your list and definition is Harold Johnson. He's the epitome of a master boxer.

Scott9945
12-17-2011, 08:36 PM
To me a master boxer is someone who can solve any style and almost never be outboxed.

frosty-g
12-17-2011, 11:10 PM
What does the word "master boxer" mean to you? What qualifies a fighter as a "master boxer", can a fighter lacking fundamentals be classed as one?????#

Thanks in advance

i know what "master bater" means if that helps?

Barn
12-17-2011, 11:14 PM
i know what "master bater" means if that helps?
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studentofthegam
12-18-2011, 12:21 AM
Well, I wouldn't class them as master boxers no. I would define it as "Hit and Not get hit" using boxing technique. Pernell Whitaker etc doesn't fall into that category, whereas Willie Pep does. Also having a classic boxer/boxer puncher style.Versatile and winning. Pernell definitely falls in that category. You cant put Pep in and Sweet Pea out.

wmute
12-18-2011, 05:24 PM
To me a master boxer has perfect fundamentals, good defense, can dictate the pace of a fight with a jab, can counterpunch well and overall does not get hit often.

To me a master boxer would be the likes of:
Joe Gans
Ezzard Charles
Gene Tunney
Willie Pep
Larry Holmes
Marvin Hagler
Benny Leonard

I would add the ability and strategize in the ring and to outsmart your opponents, and hence, with great sadness, I think I would remove the name in bold, and put in the other Leonard. Trust me, I don't like this thought, but I think it is simply the truth.

Barn
12-18-2011, 06:40 PM
I would add the ability and strategize in the ring and to outsmart your opponents, and hence, with great sadness, I think I would remove the name in bold, and put in the other Leonard. Trust me, I don't like this thought, but I think it is simply the truth.
he made 1 mistake.

wmute
12-18-2011, 07:23 PM
he made 1 mistake.

More than one, not many, but too many to be on that list.

I am not going to try to convince you, because I love Marvin and I need to go against my guts to say negative things about him, even if I know they are true.

Bronsky
12-22-2011, 12:47 AM
Ricardo lopez, juan manuel marquez, floyd mayweather, salvador sanchez, pernell whitaker (had reflexes but regardless embodied the sweet science) lots of others, Mario Kindelan, bernard hopkins,

MRBOOMER
12-26-2011, 04:57 PM
Ricardo lopez, juan manuel marquez, floyd mayweather, salvador sanchez, pernell whitaker (had reflexes but regardless embodied the sweet science) lots of others, Mario Kindelan, bernard hopkins,

I wouldn't add Hopkins because he can't dictate anything if you out do him in speed and work rate he always falls short chalzage Taylor jones even pascal gave him trouble he was just to much of an idiot to capitalize. So if he was that much of a master boxer he would be able to negate that.

but you might say that those wins don't count except for the first jones win but they seem to count enough that when who ever uses the concept of out hustle him he looses.

MotorCityJaguar
12-26-2011, 06:28 PM
among those not mentioned:
James Toney
Mike Mccallum
Antonio Cervantes

Barn
12-26-2011, 08:00 PM
More than one, not many, but too many to be on that list.

I am not going to try to convince you, because I love Marvin and I need to go against my guts to say negative things about him, even if I know they are true.
What other mistakes did he make?

He was actually trying to be too smart for the Leonard fight which backfired on him and he still won round 3...

MJ223
12-30-2011, 09:22 AM
To control distance...... Too far away to be hit too close to be effectively hit

GJC
12-31-2011, 03:01 PM
Good names mentioned to which Loughran needs to be added imo

them_apples
01-01-2012, 02:27 PM
Hagler was definently a master boxer, if we are going by fundamentals and technicalities.

Leonard was a better athlete is about it, but in terms of skill, very close.