Was VK the only fighter to beat Lennox on the scorecard?

Beat him up until the fight got stopped?.......Yes

Beat him up until the fight got stopped?.......Yes
yeah, but most of the nuthuggers said he truly beat him, :rolleyes: just dont understand same sh_t with the Vk - Cb fight

Beat him up until the fight got stopped?.......Yes


Well, the cut was caused by the duck tape.

yeah, but most of the nuthuggers said he truly beat him, :rolleyes: just dont understand same sh_t with the Vk - Cb fight

I suppose they can be called nuthuggers freely in that sense because Lennox busted him and won. Some fans will do and say anything to claim a victory for their fighter. :eek:

Well, the cut was caused by the duck tape.

lol Are you serious?

I suppose they can be called nuthuggers freely in that sense because Lennox busted him and won. Some fans will do and say anything to claim a victory for their fighter. :eek:

and you guys are haters :D

lol Are you serious?


by a tangential punch

and you guys are haters :D

:D Hater no realist yes. Lennox won the fight no matter what the cards said or any other theories claim. I like Vitali as a dedicated fellow fighter because he does train hard and takes the championship very seriously but these Lennox Lewis debates always get a straight to the point response from me. :cool:

:D Hater no realist yes. Lennox won the fight no matter what the cards said or any other theories claim. I like Vitali as a dedicated fellow fighter because he does train hard and takes the championship very seriously but these Lennox Lewis debates always get a straight to the point response from me. :cool:

LL won the fight, but Vit was leading on the scorecards.

Were there any other fighters that had a good lead over LL on the scorecards?

LL won the fight, but Vit was leading on the scorecards.

Were there any other fighters that had a good lead over LL on the scorecards?

LMAO Sorry man i didn't know it was you. Nice change of the name. :D I was about to go on a rant because i thought it was a unsuspecting Vitali fan who hadn't joined in the many debates we have had on this subject. lol

I'm not sure to be honest, i think Vitali is the only one but most of Lennox Lewis fights avoided the cards.

The answer is NO. Evander Holyfield was up on points in his 1st fight vs. Lennox on 1 infamous scorecard (dare I say Eugenia).

The answer is NO. Evander Holyfield was up on points in his 1st fight vs. Lennox on 1 infamous scorecard (dare I say Eugenia).


Was Evander ahead on ALL cards?

Was Evander ahead on ALL cards?
Of course not, the fight was a draw, but that's not what the question was....I don't believe.......

The Evander fight was a BAD decision and i mean that with every bit of disgust in me. Never trust a judge who's nose is up Don Kings rear. :rolleyes:

The Evander fight was a BAD decision and i mean that with every bit of disgust in me. Never trust a judge who's nose is up Don Kings rear. :rolleyes:

Scoop Malinovsky said:

"And it may even get downright dirty. After all, [King] is a man who allegedly told Tim Witherspoon to just go the distance and he would keep his title. This is a man who has allegedly murdered two people. If I were Klitschko or even in the champion's camp, I would be extremely careful about every possible aspect in a battle against Rahman and King. For an alleged evil mind is capable of anything.

Extreme caution must be employed until the fight is over. Do the homework on the past-performances and backgrounds on the judges. Check all the water bottles at all times. You know what I'm saying. The enemy is going to be coming out in full force to take what it desperately covets... "

Scoop Malinovsky said:

"And it may even get downright dirty. After all, [King] is a man who allegedly told Tim Witherspoon to just go the distance and he would keep his title. This is a man who has allegedly murdered two people. If I were Klitschko or even in the champion's camp, I would be extremely careful about every possible aspect in a battle against Rahman and King. For an alleged evil mind is capable of anything.

Extreme caution must be employed until the fight is over. Do the homework on the past-performances and backgrounds on the judges. Check all the water bottles at all times. You know what I'm saying. The enemy is going to be coming out in full force to take what it desperately covets... "

LMAO We all know Don King is as bent as Elton John is gay.

LMAO We all know Don King is as bent as Elton John is gay.



I did not know Don King was a bent gay. Vitaliy better watch out for that too :eek:

I did not know Don King was a bent gay. Vitaliy better watch out for that too :eek:

lol You know what i mean :D

lol You know what i mean :D


Yes... Don King is a screwed-up, evil f_k

There was a fight that losing was losing on the cards until he stopped the opponent. Frank Bruno in Sept 1993 in Cardiff Wales. Bruno was even on one card and ahead on the two others. Interesting rule for the fight was that after 4 rds if it started raining during the match ( it was outdoor ) they would stop the fight and go to the scorecards. If it had rained between the 5th and 7th rds, Bruno`s would have defeated Lewis on a techinal decission!

There was a fight that losing was losing on the cards until he stopped the opponent. Frank Bruno in Sept 1993 in Cardiff Wales. Bruno was even on one card and ahead on the two others. Interesting rule for the fight was that after 4 rds if it started raining during the match ( it was outdoor ) they would stop the fight and go to the scorecards. If it had rained between the 5th and 7th rds, Bruno`s would have defeated Lewis on a techinal decission!


cool ... thanks

i dont know if the tua fight was close or not (i dont remember but i think vk was the only one that clearly took everything lewis threw and gave back also while winning)

let me explain something..Lenox won VK fight (and anyone who said he didnt is in denial) BUT...lenox did not "beat" VK..everyone saw that..there a difference between winning a fight and actually beating your opponent

other examples:
margarito/santos (rematch)
tito/dlh
Kt/mitchell (first fight)
(i thought kt was winning on the cards but some dont)

when ubeat your opponent there is no doubt in fans minds

But you have to live and except the final verdict. We can say De La Hoya beat Tito in their match but lost on points ( i had Oscar winning not by a great deal but enough ) but it just confuses the issue. Its like having the newspaper dec`s like we had in the no decission era, 1920`s. You have to go with the offical verdict. I know judges screw up all the time. How about returning to the majority scoring system that they tired in New Jersey a few years back where each round is averaged out over the three judges card?

Well alot of idiots see it this way..."If KOs and TKOs never existed in boxing, Vitali would have won."

Was Evander ahead on ALL cards?

holyfield should have been in the 2nd fight.
being ahead through 6 rds is good, but in no way does that mean you are going to win. and fighting with 1 one makes it very hard thats why he was losing the last 2 rounds. I don't think VK could have won another round. because LL was landing at will in the last few rounds. killing the whole left side of his face. people may not like it, but the cut was caused by a legal punch, and alot of clean shot in that area.

Well alot of idiots see it this way..."If KOs and TKOs never existed in boxing, Vitali would have won."



Since you bet against the wrong mon, why do you think you are a smart ass?

holyfield should have been in the 2nd fight.
being ahead through 6 rds is good, but in no way does that mean you are going to win. and fighting with 1 one makes it very hard thats why he was losing the last 2 rounds. I don't think VK could have won another round. because LL was landing at will in the last few rounds. killing the whole left side of his face. people may not like it, but the cut was caused by a legal punch, and alot of clean shot in that area.



LL won, no debate about it. I am trying to measure VK against other LL's opponents in terms of boxing skills.

We will never know what would have happenned in round 7, had the fight continued. Most likely, it would have been an all-or-nothing war between VK and LL. That's all I can say.

i think rahman was ahead before he KO'd LL

And McCall was winning 20-17 he had won both rounds.

only they both had the power to finish LL when he was hurt

i think rahman was ahead before he KO'd LL

And McCall was winning 20-17 he had won both rounds.

only they both had the power to finish LL when he was hurt



This is not true. I checked.


Rahman was loosing on score-cards both times (boxrec.com), see below.

McCall was also loosing the score-card when he WON (boxrec.com); boxrec.com does not provide scoring info on the second fight when McCall refused to fight after fifth round. Clearly, he was not winning on the scorecards that one :D.


Source: boxrec.com
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Rahman-Lewis:

Second Fight

Judge Patricia Jarman 27-30 | Judge: Dave Moretti 27-30 | Judge: Dalby Shirley 27-30 ~


First Fight

Judge: Dave Parris 37-39 | Judge: Valerie Dorsett 37-39 | Judge: Thabo Spampool 37-39 ~



McCall-Lewis:

9-10 | Judge: Giuseppe Ferrari 9-10 | Judge: Jae-Bong Kim 10-10

Well alot of idiots see it this way..."If KOs and TKOs never existed in boxing, Vitali would have won."

Well according too the queensberry rules fights which are ende due to illegal action like hitting with the edge of the glove.
Are from 1-4 round declared a technical draw and after the 4th it is supossed to go on the scorecards...............so who rel :p y won????

Well according too the queensberry rules fights which are ende due to illegal action like hitting with the edge of the glove.
Are from 1-4 round declared a technical draw and after the 4th it is supossed to go on the scorecards...............so who rel :p y won????

but it wasn't a illegal blow. LL has never fought dirty. it was a punch, not the tape on his wrist. It was his glove.

but it wasn't a illegal blow. LL has never fought dirty. it was a punch, not the tape on his wrist. It was his glove.



it was a legal blow, but a bit tangential, unluckily for Vit

it was a legal blow, but a bit tangential, unluckily for Vit

i'm sorry but i don't know what that word means

i'm sorry but i don't know what that word means


tangential is used in math a lot;

let me check if I used it correctly here;

...


ok, found it, it means "relating to, or moving along or in the direction of a tangent, merely touching"

so the punch was moving along the VK's face and moved the skin a lot which caused the cut

but it wasn't a illegal blow. LL has never fought dirty. it was a punch, not the tape on his wrist. It was his glove.

We must have seen the different....ive seen it like 20times and i see a edge of the glove punch as well as a light headbutt .

We must have seen the different....ive seen it like 20times and i see a edge of the glove punch as well as a light headbutt .


for me it was hard to see clearly what really happened; it could have been an edge of a glove, but I do not think it was an intentional use of the edge

for me it was hard to see clearly what really happened; it could have been an edge of a glove, but I do not think it was an intentional use of the edge

It was not an intentional butt that stopped the WK-TOS fight, it realy doesent matter if it was intentional execpt if you mean that LL should have been disqualified for it.

tangential is used in math a lot;

let me check if I used it correctly here;

...


ok, found it, it means "relating to, or moving along or in the direction of a tangent, merely touching"

so the punch was moving along the VK's face and moved the skin a lot which caused the cut

oh, ok thanks. then yes you are right that is what happen, i just hate when people try to say that it was illegal

LL won the fight, but Vit was leading on the scorecards.

Were there any other fighters that had a good lead over LL on the scorecards?

Besides Frank Bruno who was beating Lewis on one card 59-55 and tied on the other two 57-57, no.

It was not an intentional butt that stopped the WK-TOS fight, it realy doesent matter if it was intentional execpt if you mean that LL should have been disqualified for it.


Exactly, I agree. If it was an unintentional headbutt in place of an unintentional punch with a glove edge, VK would have won.

LL would not be disqualified in either case.

Yes!!! He lost to Oliver McCall by TKO and to Rahman by KO.

Yes!!! He lost to Oliver McCall by TKO and to Rahman by KO.
Ehm yes but the question is did they lead on points?

Yes!!! He lost to Oliver McCall by TKO and to Rahman by KO.

Lewis was up 39-37 on all three cards against Rahman, and up 10-9 on two cards and even on one 10-10 against McCall.

We must have seen the different....ive seen it like 20times and i see a edge of the glove punch as well as a light headbutt .

You are either taking the piss or just wanting someone to kick your ass on this subject. The punch was CLEAN plain and simple. For **** sake, I wish Lennox would comeback and beat him even quicker to stop these ridiculous stories going around. YES VITALI WAS UP ON THE CARDS BUT HE GOT BEAT. And don't bring up the Queensbury rules because it has nothing to do with this ridiculous claim you make because it didn't happen. :cool:

You may get your wish Dark Destoryer. Reports out of London, England are that Lewis will be begin light training in the next month or so and it looks like Lewis could be Klits next opponent after Mesi ( if it is Mesi, it should be as Mesi has more or less been cleared to fight and is the mandatory ). I think we will see the rematch sometime between September and November of next year!

You may get your wish Dark Destoryer. Reports out of London, England are that Lewis will be begin light training in the next month or so and it looks like Lewis could be Klits next opponent after Mesi ( if it is Mesi, it should be as Mesi has more or less been cleared to fight and is the mandatory ). I think we will see the rematch sometime between September and November of next year!


:D Thats brilliant news. Vitali fans enjoy your fighters precious time as Champion because if this is true he won't be the Champ in 2006 :p

You are either taking the piss or just wanting someone to kick your ass on this subject. The punch was CLEAN plain and simple. For **** sake, I wish Lennox would comeback and beat him even quicker to stop these ridiculous stories going around. YES VITALI WAS UP ON THE CARDS BUT HE GOT BEAT. And don't bring up the Queensbury rules because it has nothing to do with this ridiculous claim you make because it didn't happen. :cool:

Im not saying your blind, im just telling whati saw.
No need to get angry.

Yes i hope he comes back so they can settle this bill once and of for all.

i re-watched the fight again the other day...vitali WON THAT FIGHT...

people act like the eyelid isnt the most sensitive/fragile piece of skin on your face..sometimes the luck is against you and u get cut..but vitali landed the hardest punches and scores the most landed punches....

i re-watched the fight again the other day...vitali WON THAT FIGHT...

people act like the eyelid isnt the most sensitive/fragile piece of skin on your face..sometimes the luck is against you and u get cut..but vitali landed the hardest punches and scores the most landed punches....

Finaly, you deserve an icecream

If the fight had been stopped in the 6th round both Bruno and Ray Mercer would have beaten Lewis. Many feel Holyfield beat Lewis on pts in their 2nd fight and Mercer in their fight (I had Mercer beating Lewis and the Holyfield rematch a draw). I've never seen his fight with Tucker but I heard it was close at one point . . .

Prime Tyson would KO Lewis every time they fought and no scorecards wold be needed.

Im not saying your blind, im just telling whati saw.
No need to get angry.

Yes i hope he comes back so they can settle this bill once and of for all.

:D I'm not getting angry. Yes i hope he comes back too or there will be endless debates for years to come.

This is a total troll thread.

People always seem to forget that Lewis won the round before it was stopped, he landed some huge punches in that round. Lewis had taken Vitali's best shots and the tide was turning. Vitali was totally inexperienced in the championship rounds and in fact quit as is known against Byrd. Almost a new experience for him. Lewis had been to hell and back before and came out on top, like against Mercer. Mercer did NOT beat Lewis, a close fight yes but the rounds where not difficult to score.

Also, whats this about the "cut". Don't you mean "cuts"? His face was a total mess. Hard punchers cause cuts and thats what happened. Punchers cut and bruise you up.

Lewis was only 2 points behind on my card. It doesn't matter a jot though. Title fights are 12 rounds not 6. Its a total non-issue and always has been. Vitali's fans whine like *****es.

This is a total troll thread.

People always seem to forget that Lewis won the round before it was stopped, he landed some huge punches in that round. Lewis had taken Vitali's best shots and the tide was turning.


That's false. Vitaliy won Round 6. Lennox won round 5.

This is a total troll thread.

People always seem to forget that Lewis won the round before it was stopped, he landed some huge punches in that round. Lewis had taken Vitali's best shots and the tide was turning. Vitali was totally inexperienced in the championship rounds and in fact quit as is known against Byrd. Almost a new experience for him. Lewis had been to hell and back before and came out on top, like against Mercer. Mercer did NOT beat Lewis, a close fight yes but the rounds where not difficult to score.

Also, whats this about the "cut". Don't you mean "cuts"? His face was a total mess. Hard punchers cause cuts and thats what happened. Punchers cut and bruise you up.

Lewis was only 2 points behind on my card. It doesn't matter a jot though. Title fights are 12 rounds not 6. Its a total non-issue and always has been. Vitali's fans whine like *****es.

VK won the 1,2,4 and 6 round you fool, vk cut LL, outboxed him and had more team left at the end of the last rpund.

50+ stiches caused by duct tape LOL Funniest comment of the year!

50+ stiches caused by duct tape LOL Funniest comment of the year!




That's because LL, like a real gentleman, "worked the cuts" which were initially small.

Interestingly enough, Lennox said that if the fight had taken place in England he would have been 2 rounds up instead of the other way round. Probably true...

Interestingly enough, Lennox said that if the fight had taken place in England he would have been 2 rounds up instead of the other way round. Probably true...



why?



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Interestingly enough, Lennox said that if the fight had taken place in England he would have been 2 rounds up instead of the other way round. Probably true...

No way, the judges get selected by a certain system aimed at avoding biases (e.g. one judge from US, one from UK, and one from a neutral country).

According to COMPUBOX Vitaliy won at least 5 rounds out of 6:

Total Punches Landed/Thrown

Lennox 18/39 14/40 19/39 14/27 23/43 14/33
46% 35% 49% 52% 53% 42%
Klitschko 23/73 32/87 29/74 27/66 27/70 17/60
32% 37% 39% 41% 39% 28%

Jabs Landed / Thrown

Round
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Lewis 9/20 7/22 17/28 6/14 9/19 4/16
45% 32% 61% 43% 47% 25%
Klitschko 12/36 12/40 17/50 15/38 12/41 9/34
33% 30% 34% 39% 29% 26%

Power Punches Landed / Thrown

Round
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Lewis 9/19 7/18 2/11 8/13 14/24 10/17
47% 39% 18% 62% 58% 59%
Klitschko 11/37 20/47 12/24 12/28 15/29 8/26
30% 43% 50% 43% 52% 31%

Interestingly enough, Lennox said that if the fight had taken place in England he would have been 2 rounds up instead of the other way round. Probably true...

Interestingly enough, Vitali said that if the fight had taken place in Germany he would have been 6 rounds up instead of 2. Probably true...

oh yeah the one and only not even holyfield could beat lewis on the scorecard