View Full Version : Would Sugar Ray Leonard be able to replicate Robinson's achievement of...


kendom
12-14-2011, 01:42 PM
...Beating Jake Lamotta 5 out of six times under the harsh conditions Robinson had to with giving up on average 15 lbs in weight?

Barn
12-14-2011, 03:04 PM
Might catch hate for this but, I reckon he could come close, maybe losing 1 extra time.

young_robbed
12-14-2011, 03:57 PM
I don't think so. Even if Leonard was as fast as Robinson he didn't have Robinson's punch.

kendom
12-14-2011, 04:28 PM
I don't think so. Even if Leonard was as fast as Robinson he didn't have Robinson's punch.

How important do you think Robinsons punch was against Lamotta? I imagine in their fights he would have been using his speed and movement

TAC602
12-14-2011, 05:22 PM
Might catch hate for this but, I reckon he could come close, maybe losing 1 extra time.

You shouldnt catch any hate. Leonard was one of the most immensely talented fighters of all-time. I think he wins 4 out of 6 as well.

MonsieurGeorges
12-14-2011, 06:13 PM
i think the lamotta that fought cerdan beats the ray leonard that fought duran the first time

hard to say, leonard is a top shelf guy and can hang with anyone but in shape and motivated at 160 lamotta is a tall order. leonard wasn't as tall as ray, and jake was able to do the rough stuff in a smooth way its an interesting style match.

I think out of 6 fights most of the rounds would fast with boxing and slugging, moving all over the ring

young_robbed
12-14-2011, 08:43 PM
How important do you think Robinsons punch was against Lamotta? I imagine in their fights he would have been using his speed and movement

At that weight, though, he didn't even incorporate that much movement compared to his welterweight days. If he was a big mover he wouldn't have got caught on the ropes like that. In retrospect that was really silly.

Against LaMotta Leonard didn't have the sufficient power too keep him off. Robinson had the power to completely stun him and even stop him. He was a legit puncher. Leonard was not.

DarkTerror88
12-14-2011, 08:59 PM
The second Fullmer fight showed the monstrosity of Robinson's power. He hit super hard above his natural weight. Leonard, not so much.

At Middleweight, Leonard wasnt nearly a big enough puncher or a durable enough guy to sustain LaMottas body attack for 15 rounds. I think The Bull batters him around and wins more often than not. All by Decision because There was no quit in Ray Leonard.

IronDanHamza
12-15-2011, 12:27 PM
Ray Leonard would struggle with Lamotta at 160.

Ray would bang with him, he couldn't help himself most of the time.

joseph5620
12-15-2011, 11:50 PM
...Beating Jake Lamotta 5 out of six times under the harsh conditions Robinson had to with giving up on average 15 lbs in weight?

I don't think so. I actually think Hearns might have done better than Leonard but neither would duplicate what Robinson did.

House of Stone
12-16-2011, 08:50 AM
Another unpopular opinion here no doubt but I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up with a similiar tally to robinson maybe not quite as good. I don't need to talk about his speed and movement but leonard had underrated power too (obviously not enough to stop lamotta lol but enough to bother him at least)and the guy just knew how to pull out the win. Another question worth asking would be who else would have achieved such a record against Duran,Hearns and Hagler.

New England
12-16-2011, 04:28 PM
honestly, the weight is the only issue i see. lamotta was naturally the larger man, being the career MW come LHW.


lamotta's style isnt going to give a boxer like ray leonard problems
a boxer with a style like leonard's gives the boxer like lamotta the issues. i'm confident that it would be leonard landing the cleaner punches.

the issue becomes the size. can/could leonard hurt him without depleting himself? could he keep up a point scoring pace over 15 rounds?

he's a moving target going against a fighter that wants to stand still
the boxer usually dictates the pace in those confrontations.


jake lamotta is a great great boxer
he was one of my favorites growing up. when i used to box thats how i used to have to fight.

but he's overrated.


i think they split the fights
considering that leonard's best weight was certainly WW, i think that takes away from lamotta some, and it should.

though i thought he lost the fight, a faded leonard did well against an also faded hagler, who, when you think about it, does everything as well or better than lamotta
he had the chin
he was a harder puncher by a country mile
much quicker of hand and foot and upper body
southpaw
he could brawl
he was a terrific boxer
and he had more length and height and as much physical strength



over 12 rounds i think leonard picks his spots to land the eye catching stuff (flurries, flashy single shots, he might make lamotta miss by a country mile a few times, or use his legs and end up behind him, etc) while not really taking it to lamotta
maybe lamotta wins one out of three if he could catch up to ray in a 15 round fight and let some work to the body accumulate and win a close decision.
he wasnt a huge puncher, either.


if he proved me wrong, though, and caught up to leonard and got the ring to shrink it would be a classic.