View Full Version : Margarito-truth or fiction?


joseph5620
12-05-2011, 04:18 PM
There have been a lot of hot debates over this topic since the Margarito/Mosley wrap scandal. Margarito says that he had no idea his gloves were tainted for the fight with Mosley. Just as some atheletes caught with ped's claim the same thing. His supporters believe him while his detractors claim there is no way he could not have known. Some say if he cheated it was for that one fight. Many say he cheated for many other fights. Some have even said he became ordinary after the fight with Mosley. I personally believe his aura was shattered after that fight whether he cheated or not. At this point it's either you believe him or you don't which is pretty black and white. How will Margarito be remembered? Is Margarito's defense truth or fiction?

JAB5239
12-05-2011, 05:15 PM
There have been a lot of hot debates over this topic since the Margarito/Mosley wrap scandal. Margarito says that he had no idea his gloves were tainted for the fight with Mosley. Just as some atheletes caught with ped's claim the same thing. His supporters believe him while his detractors claim there is no way he could not have known. Some say if he cheated it was for that one fight. Many say he cheated for many other fights. Some have even said he became ordinary after the fight with Mosley. I personally believe his aura was shattered after that fight whether he cheated or not. At this point it's either you believe him or you don't which is pretty black and white. How will Margarito be remembered? Is Margarito's defense truth or fiction?

It'll never be proven one way or another, but I believe it's fiction. When I fought I would always watch my hands being taped and would certainly know if there was any difference in the routine. There is no way a professional fighter wouldn't know.

As far as his legacy goes.....it will always be tainted in my opinion. He was always seen as a very good fighter, a tough guy, but the Cotto fight propelled him into the limelight. It simply makes no sense a fighter would cheat as the favorite (against Mosley) but not the as the underdog (against Cotto).

IronDanHamza
12-05-2011, 05:26 PM
Everytime someone talks about Margarito they will say "But was he using plaster?"

Despite it being only and always speculation, that's simply how it will always be.

$BloodyNate$
12-05-2011, 05:49 PM
He definitely knew just trying bull***** as a víctim because he got caught. Hes a piece of *****. I got so much respect for resto who has done more then enough to pay his dues. Hes suffered his whole life but atleast he doesnt deny it but tries to get panama to open up and man up.

NChristo
12-05-2011, 06:08 PM
He definitely knew just trying bull***** as a víctim because he got caught. Hes a piece of *****. I got so much respect for resto who has done more then enough to pay his dues. Hes suffered his whole life but atleast he doesnt deny it but tries to get panama to open up and man up.

What Resto did was many, many, many times worse then what has happened with Margarito, is there actually any official documentation publicly released on what was specifically wrong with Margarito's wraps ?, everyone speculates that it was some trace of plaster but I've seen no 100% proof that's what it was.

How can you have respect for Resto ?, there is 0 evidence that Margarito used any substance or there was anything wrong with his wraps previous the Mosley event, Resto had padding removed from his gloves and his wraps were soaked in plaster, he destroyed Collins as a person, I don't get it, whatever Resto has done since then does not absolve this at all and whatever was wrong with Margarito's wraps doesn't come close to that incident at all.

Sugarj
12-05-2011, 06:11 PM
My issue is as much about whether he knew about it, as whether it actually benefitted him.

Plaster of Paris bandages have been rumoured almost as long as the fight game. But when Cleveland Williams agreed to be tested with plaster to see if it was of any benefit I seem to recall him saying something to the effect that it was useless and turned into a slushy mess when he started sweating.

There is also the thought that hardened plaster could crack and shatter the fighter's own nuckles.

Plus, the fighter and trainer would have to be aware that post fight, people would be shaking his hand when the gloves were off......and anything ridiculously hard would be questioned.

Another thought is that if I were the fighter I wouldn't want something in my gloves weighing them down, thus reducing the speed of my punches and adding to my fatigue.

I don't doubt that Margarito will have known if something was being slipped into his bandages. He will have been bandaged so many thousands of times in his life that he'd be aware of any deviation from the norm.

Even if it didn't improve the devastation of his punching, it may however have had an almost placebo effect in improving confidence in his power?!

Either way, I'm sure Margarito is guilty as sin..........but I think he'd have won that first fight regardless, he was relentless that night!

Full credit to Cotto this time. That was the finest I have ever seen him box. Margarito hasn't been quite the same since the Mosley encounter......and the Pacquiao fight wont have helped either.

$BloodyNate$
12-05-2011, 06:19 PM
What Resto did was many, many, many times worse then what has happened with Margarito, is there actually any official documentation publicly released on what was specifically wrong with Margarito's wraps ?, everyone speculates that it was some trace of plaster but I've seen no 100% proof that's what it was.

How can you have respect for Resto ?, there is 0 evidence that Margarito used any substance or there was anything wrong with his wraps previous the Mosley event, Resto had padding removed from his gloves and his wraps were soaked in plaster, he destroyed Collins as a person, I don't get it, whatever Resto has done since then does not absolve this at all and whatever was wrong with Margarito's wraps doesn't come close to that incident at all.

Yeah because living in your car and under boxing gyms for the last 30 plus years isnt paying his due and atleast admitting to it. Margarito has no power anymore he struggled with a journeyman.

NChristo
12-05-2011, 06:24 PM
Yeah because living in your car and under boxing gyms for the last 30 plus years isnt paying his due and atleast admitting to it. Margarito has no power anymore he struggled with a journeyman.

No, no it's not at all, he's paying for it but it'll never be enough to absolve it, you do know that Resto denied any allegations as well as Margarito is doing at the moment right ?, it took him 20 years after the event too finally come out and say yep I knew what was happening but not only was the padding removed but the wraps were covered in illegal substance, I knew full well the possibilities of the outcome.

He KNEW what he could possibly do too Collins, the man is scum, I don't really give 2 ****s about how ****ty his living environments have been since, he deserves it.

So even though he lead a man to suicide and denied the allegations for 20 years, you have respect for him ?, but you have none for Margarito because he got caught with something wrong with his wraps in 1 fight and denies it.

Forza
12-05-2011, 06:39 PM
If margs used wraps he would've permanently injured somebody like resto did. Look at cotto's face after the 2nd fight, he still got marked up badly despite running for 9 rounds.

NChristo
12-05-2011, 06:45 PM
Back on topic, I'm not really sure what too think, does anyone know if the official documents on the wraps have been released to the public ?, haven't seen any. He wasn't caught using anything previously so I don't believe he did and no one can prove it without any solid evidence, I think he probably knew something was wrong with the wraps but is lying, but I think he only used them for the Mosley fight, in between both options on the poll.
Either way he lost a lot in that fight and after it clearly, Mosley and Pac gave him some career ending beatings, he would of never been as good as he was after them.

Scott9945
12-05-2011, 06:51 PM
I'm going to use this thread to comment on how disgusted I was with Jim Lampley's commentary on HBO. Just like in the first fight, he only called what Cotto was doing well. It is no coincidence. Then after the fight he makes subtle insinuations about Margarito's power, rather than being blunt and standing behind his genuine view. I have no respect for that type of passive/aggressive insinuation, and after seeing Pac-JMM III and MC-AM II, I've lost all respect for Lampley's objectivitey. It's bad enough that he is generally sh*tty at doing basic blow by blow.

Scott9945
12-05-2011, 06:57 PM
Back on topic, I'm not really sure what too think, does anyone know if the official documents on the wraps have been released to the public ?, haven't seen any. He wasn't caught using anything previously so I don't believe he did and no one can prove it without any solid evidence, I think he probably knew something was wrong with the wraps but is lying, but I think he only used them for the Mosley fight, in between both options on the poll.
Either way he lost a lot in that fight and after it clearly, Mosley and Pac gave him some career ending beatings, he would of never been as good as he was after them.

Good comments NChristo. From every account, Margarito was 40 lbs overweight when he started training for Mosley. My view is that Margarito's trainer knew he wasn't fit enough to beat Mosley so he tried a shortcut. What so many don't realize is that in every single fight Margarito had, those wraps were signed off on by both the commission and the opponents rep. I can see it maybe slipping through once or twice, but everytime?

$BloodyNate$
12-05-2011, 07:56 PM
You cant prove it nor disprove it but still how is what margarito was caught doing once any different then rusto? Like jab said you should always know how your hands aré wrapped. I just dont see how can u defend margarito but hate on rusto who paid his dues where margarito continues to collect paychecks to fight.

Rusto has been through hell and never came back he probably will never be able to make a respectable living again. Thats not good enough? Even murderers can change. MLK jr forgave his fathers assassin face to face. Rusto has gained my respect and forgiveness. Margarito gets away with it after a slap on the wrist. I believe because of the karma margarito has gotten. Open 2 tabs and look at margarito post pac, then collins post rusto, complete resemblance. Then cotto spanked him fair and square.

NChristo
12-05-2011, 08:16 PM
You cant prove it nor disprove it but still how is what margarito was caught doing once any different then rusto? Like jab said you should always know how your hands aré wrapped. I just dont see how can u defend margarito but hate on rusto who paid his dues where margarito continues to collect paychecks to fight.

Rusto has been through hell and never came back he probably will never be able to make a respectable living again. Thats not good enough? Even murderers can change. MLK jr forgave his fathers assassin face to face. Rusto has gained my respect and forgiveness. Margarito gets away with it after a slap on the wrist. I believe because of the karma margarito has gotten. Open 2 tabs and look at margarito post pac, then collins post rusto, complete resemblance. Then cotto spanked him fair and square.

Show me where I'm defending Margarito please ?, I'm not defending him at all I'm just stating the facts do you think I'm defending Margarito by hating on a murderer ?, I can hate on 'Resto' as much as I like because he lead a man into suicide, I don't understand how you can respect a man that has done that at all. He doesn't deserve a respectable living and of course it's not good enough, he took the life of Billy Collins, I don't know how you can 'respect' someone for getting what he deserves, it doesn't make any sense, it's like saying you respect a criminal who has done something horrible for doing time in prison.

ou cant prove it nor disprove it but still how is what margarito was caught doing once any different then rusto?

Oh I don't know probably because Margarito didn't actually use the wraps, he didn't commit assault like Resto did, he was caught with dodgy wraps and it was sorted out on the spot, again I'm going to ask for Official documentation because I and everyone else still has yet too see what was wrong with them and that's what it mostly comes down too. Resto and Lewis removed padding from Resto's gloves and encased his wraps in some form of substance, these are facts which are well documented, Resto then some how got into the ring and destroyed Collins' life, whose life did Margarito destroy ?, who did Margarito make blind ?, was Margarito the reason someone took their life away from their family ?.
That's the difference between them, I'm not defending Margarito at all, what he did was wrong but it was nothing close to what Resto did.

Forza
12-05-2011, 08:31 PM
I don't blame resto 100% because collins killed himself. Yeah his boxing career was over but not his life. He went into deep depression and drank hard.

And I still don't believe marg used loaded wraps. I'm telling you, cotto would be much more damaged if he did. With loaded wraps, even a guy like malignaggi could break facial bones through gloves.