to say that rahman could run any one into retirement is sheer stupidity. You see the difference between the there retirements are quite obvious. VK retired due to injuries. Yes, he didnt defend his title like he should have, but to say that his situation is the same is wrong. Lewis retired AFTER fighting vitali and he became to frightend to defend his title against him. And if i remember correctly, Lewis sighted no injuries in his reason for retiring, as a matter of fact he said he was in the best shape of his life. He said that Vitali wasnt good enough, and that there was no one left for him. Which simply wasnt true. He could have defended agaisnt Vitali, or he could have fought rahman for a third time, hell why not James toney.

Lewis went out like a *****, what kinda of person goes out with unfinished business left on the table, and was not forced out due to injury. Lewis himself said he COULD defend his title against Vitali, he just didnt want to.

And for those that feel that vitali is BSing about his injury, why dont you read the medical report. or you could wait to see the scars. either way, i dont care. But quit acting like this was a planned, because the last time i checked, not many people are willing to have there legaments ripped in half just to avoid a fight.

After saying all this, i myself feel that VK didnt represent the title well. There were many opportunities for him to prove himself to the fans, but in the end, maybe he wasnt worried about proving himself to the fans, maybe he just needed to prove to himself that he could become champion. Not everyone is so concerned with there image as many people are.

Lewis didn't go out like a *****...

he went out still on top knowing that his time is done...why fight if you're injured? Vitali is made the right choice...

same with Lewis...why fight when you're out of shape and are not dedicated to the sport anymore? Lewis made the right choice...

i agree about vitali going out because of injury, but like i said, lewis said he was in the best shape of his career when he retired, he specifically said that conditioning wasnt an issue.

Man, you are wasting your time. Haters don't listen to a reason. It's useless to try to prove anything to them.

i know man


i have been a fan of VK for around four years now. But some of his antics have anoyed me but to say that rahman ran him into retirement is stupid

You can say whatever you want about Vitali, but your talk about Lewis is utter non sense.

He was 37 when he fought Vitali, and had ben considering retiring since after beating Tyson.

He clearly beat Vitali in a fight he obviosuly took lightly:

<img src=http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/dantzu/Vitalibeatup.jpg>

and found himself at 38 years old in one of the weakest points in the history of the heavyweight division, so he retired as undisputed champion having beaten evey man he ever faced.

He had every right to walk away when he did.

Vitali also has every right to walk away right now, but he does so with leaving little to nothing behind as a legacy.

I agree, but again, anyone who says Rahman ran Vitali into retirment is a moron...I just cant take anyone who says that seriously from this point on.

Rahman...he would KOd just like in the Lennox fight.

i know man


i have been a fan of VK for around four years now. But some of his antics have anoyed me but to say that rahman ran him into retirement is stupid


...If it's inteligent debate it's one thing, but when your talking to retarded children it's not even fun. It's like trying to debate the grass being green. The haters who claim that are either idiots or are just plain morons to think that anyone believes that ****. They are the same guys that call the Klitscko's **** and think everyone who likes them is a card carrying member of the KKK.

...If it's inteligent debate it's one thing, but when your talking to retarded children it's not even fun. It's like trying to debate the grass being green. The haters who claim that are either idiots or are just plain morons to think that anyone believes that ****. They are the same guys that call the Klitscko's **** and think everyone who likes them is a card carrying member of the KKK.


very true bro. But you know how it is sometimes. Sometimes people annoy you bad enough with stupid statements that it warrents a response.

You can say whatever you want about Vitali, but your talk about Lewis is utter non sense.

He was 37 when he fought Vitali, and had ben considering retiring since after beating Tyson.

He clearly beat Vitali in a fight he obviosuly took lightly:

<img src=http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b163/dantzu/Vitalibeatup.jpg>

and found himself at 38 years old in one of the weakest points in the history of the heavyweight division, so he retired as undisputed champion having beaten evey man he ever faced.

He had every right to walk away when he did.

Vitali also has every right to walk away right now, but he does so with leaving little to nothing behind as a legacy.

i agree with what you say about his legacy, but im not the one that said lewis was in great shape at 38, he did, that statement came from his own mouth. So if you take what he said seriously, then he COULD have defended his title, he just didnt WANT to.

i agree with what you say about his legacy, but im not the one that said lewis was in great shape at 38, he did, that statement came from his own mouth. So if you take what he said seriously, then he COULD have defended his title, he just didnt WANT to.

People say a lot of things in promoting a fight. His weight was at a career high in his last fight, and he looked realy dull. I don't believe he was in great shape based on what I saw.

His conditioning may not have been tip top, but alot of his dull performance (according to Bozo) had to do with fighting a guy taller than him, that gave up practically no weight or reach, and hit him back, fought to win. The only other really tall guy Lewis fought that I know of was Henry Akinwande, who didn't fight him at all. Henry was very intimidated by Lewis and never gave an honest effort to win the fight. Anyone that watched the Lewis-VK fight could see that Lewis was actually bending at the waist at times to jab, almost fighting out of a crouch. How many times can any of you recall seeing Lewis fight with that style?
IMO, Lewis may not have been in tip top shape, but to say that VK lost to an old, fat Lewis is just plain silly.

i agree with what you say about his legacy, but im not the one that said lewis was in great shape at 38, he did, that statement came from his own mouth. So if you take what he said seriously, then he COULD have defended his title, he just didnt WANT to.

he was in terrible shape against vitali though, and boxers always say things like
im in the best shape of my career, and ive never been better than i am now but its total nonsense
anyone who saw the vitali fight could tell that lewis was out of shape

Lewis went out like a *****, what kinda of person goes out with unfinished business left on the table, and was not forced out due to injury. Lewis himself said he COULD defend his title against Vitali, he just didnt want to.

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Complete bull****, really.

Look at Vitali's accomplishments as Heavyweight Champion, at the time of his retirement. Now look at Lewis' accomplishments as Champion at the time of his retirement.

Is there any difference to you, Rasta? If you summarize Lewis' career as something less than Vitali's, you are missing something, including Lewis' defeat of Vitali.

Do you expect anyone to believe that Vitali "retired" Lewis? How? By ushering in a New Era in Heavyweight Boxing? He didn't do it.

Recall, Lewis retired as Champ fighting Vitali. Now there's Vitali retiring after fighting nobody.

Whos' the *****?

People say a lot of things in promoting a fight. His weight was at a career high in his last fight, and he looked realy dull. I don't believe he was in great shape based on what I saw.
Exactly. That version of Lewis was the same guy that was hammerd by McCall and Rahman. Why could't Vitali do the same? I figured Lewis was ripe for the taking.

There is no comparison between Lewis' and VK's careers, but Lewis had basically said time and again that there was nobody for him to fight and that's why he was going to retire. Clearly, a rematch was warranted between VK and Lewis, but Lewis thought it to be too risky to fight VK again and retired instead. Lewis retired only after making excuses about VK's eye not being ready, and when VK provided proof that a doctor had declared him fit to fight, demanding that VK see Lewis' doctor, and after HIS doctor saying that VK was OK to fight. Through Lewis' actions, one can easily see that Lewis didn't just want to say "I don't want to fight him again, I don't want to fight anymore at all", he wanted to blame his retirement on someone else, and fessed up only when all his other excuses had fallen through. The two fighters' careers really share no similarities, with exception of the fact that they both wanted to retire as champ, and both simply beat the sanctioning bodies to the punch before they could be stripped.

The two fighters' careers really share no similarities......
Very quotable.