View Full Version : Gatti vs. Leija


tracylee
12-28-2004, 10:17 PM
I searched the forum index and did not see another thread about this particular fight other than the one that is in that personal group (or whatever thats called) and as much as I appreciate the offer to join (and I do, very much ;) ) I'm hesitant to join any specific group since we can only join one. So, I saw no reason not to start another thread on this, cause I'm eager to hear everyones opinion on this fight! Come one, come all, lets debate! :D
I say Gatti, all the way. If his hand doesnt end up giving him trouble and/or he doesnt get cut in the wrong place at the right time, I can see him winning this one fairly easy. JJL is a good fighter, but I think he lacks the heart, determination (among other things) that Gatti has thru and thru

Your thoughts? :)

spinksjinx
12-28-2004, 10:23 PM
I searched the forum index and did not see another thread about this particular fight other than the one that is in that personal group (or whatever thats called) and as much as I appreciate the offer to join (and I do, very much ;) ) I'm hesitant to join any specific group since we can only join one. So, I saw no reason not to start another thread on this, cause I'm eager to hear everyones opinion on this fight! Come one, come all, lets debate! :D
I say Gatti, all the way. If his hand doesnt end up giving him trouble and/or he doesnt get cut in the wrong place at the right time, I can see him winning this one fairly easy. JJL is a good fighter, but I think he lacks the heart, determination (among other things) that Gatti has thru and thru

Your thoughts? :)


Leija was destined to lose against Bojado, but he dug deep and pulled it off convincingly and actually boxed the boxer in Bojado. Gatti has trouble with boxers if Leija boxers im going with Leija, If Leija gets anxious and starts trading with Gatti then im going with Gatti. I think the war will happen and Gatti will be the bigger man with a 7 round t(ko), but wouldnt be surprised either way.

borikua
12-28-2004, 10:23 PM
Gatti by tko...I just heard that Ouma will fight on the undercard...this looks like a good boxing night! :D

Hurlex
12-28-2004, 10:28 PM
gatti by tko 5th-6th round...the we'll get gatti vs mayweather or KT finally..good times...gatti wont lose this for sure..and will be a exciting fight while it last

tracylee
12-28-2004, 10:29 PM
Leija was destined to lose against Bojado, but he dug deep and pulled it off convincingly and actually boxed the boxer in Bojado. Gatti has trouble with boxers if Leija boxers im going with Leija, If Leija gets anxious and starts trading with Gatti then im going with Gatti. I think the war will happen and Gatti will be the bigger man with a 7 round t(ko), but wouldnt be surprised either way.


Very good point! I know Buddy likes Gatti to box instead of brawl, but if Jesse pushes it then we all know his old nature will kick in! THAT will be exciting! And borikua youre right about Cotto, with him on the undercard its definately a night of boxing not to be missed!! :D I for one am very excited and can hardly wait on this fight! ;)

borikua
12-28-2004, 10:35 PM
And borikua youre right about Cotto, with him on the undercard its definately a night of boxing not to be missed!! :D I for one am very excited and can hardly wait on this fight! ;)

Ouma, not Cotto ;)

spinksjinx
12-28-2004, 10:41 PM
The undercard is better then the main event.

Tracy-All Gatti has to do is use his size and he could still win without brawling, but Gatti isnt one to do that...We will see a blood bath, both fighters are paper faced ring war vets.

tracylee
12-28-2004, 10:47 PM
Ouma, not Cotto ;)

Uh, yeah, thats what I said! :o (feeling pretty stupid now...let it ride boys, been a long day) :D

Sir_Jose
12-28-2004, 10:49 PM
Your right Spinks the undercard is the "real main event". Ouma vs Jantuah is a hell of a fight. I cant wait for that.

As far as Gatti/Leija goes. I see Leija not only winning, but winning pretty easily. Gatti when its all said and done is really not that good. Gatti has struggled badly with guys like Hutchinson, Branco and Ward and Leija is much much better than any of those guys.

Gatti has lost everytime he has stepped up in class and I see this as being no different.

tracylee
12-28-2004, 10:49 PM
The undercard is better then the main event.

Tracy-All Gatti has to do is use his size and he could still win without brawling, but Gatti isnt one to do that...We will see a blood bath, both fighters are paper faced ring war vets.

Is he really that much bigger than Jesse? Either way, most likely Gatti will spend the post fight at the emergency room, yet again, over his hand or cuts :(

tracylee
12-28-2004, 10:58 PM
Your right Spinks the undercard is the "real main event". Ouma vs Jantuah is a hell of a fight. I cant wait for that.

As far as Gatti/Leija goes. I see Leija not only winning, but winning pretty easily. Gatti when its all said and done is really not that good. Gatti has struggled badly with guys like Hutchinson, Branco and Ward and Leija is much much better than any of those guys.

Gatti has lost everytime he has stepped up in class and I see this as being no different.


I keep hearing that; Gatti isnt that good, etc. No, he's not the best to hit the ring, but I think he's more talented than alot give him credit for. His career was basically supposed to be over years ago (before Ward) and he's an even bigger name now than he was then. I think Buddy has done him a world of good and really has a good chance against Leija (which I'm extremely bias, I admit ;) ).

Sir_Jose
12-28-2004, 11:04 PM
I keep hearing that; Gatti isnt that good, etc. No, he's not the best to hit the ring, but I think he's more talented than alot give him credit for. His career was basically supposed to be over years ago (before Ward) and he's an even bigger name now than he was then. I think Buddy has done him a world of good and really has a good chance against Leija (which I'm extremely bias, I admit ;) ).

He's not and his people know he's not that good. They have shamelessy protected him through out his career. Look at the guys they have kept him from its a who's who of boxing.

spinksjinx
12-28-2004, 11:08 PM
Tracy-Gatti is like 5'7-5'8 and usually comes in to fight around 155-158, Leija is like 5'4-5'5 and comes in around 148-50 limit so Gatti has a bit of an advantage especially in the weight department.


Gatti has always shown weaknesses against guys who box with him, Had Branco boxed the early rounds he would have won that fight....Gatti is good with glass chinned cans and brawlers, any guy who moves will outpoint Gatti in every department.

tracylee
12-28-2004, 11:10 PM
He's not and his people know he's not that good. They have shamelessy protected him through out his career. Look at the guys they have kept him from its a who's who of boxing.

Fair enough. But do you atleast find him exciting, with that warrior-never quit attitude..I mean, he fights with broken hands and everything! I've seen other "greats" quit for much less. Few give it everything they have in the ring the way he does; he fights like it's his last fight every time he enters the ring. I've yet to see a boring fight with him in it. Guy has alot of heart ;)

Sir_Jose
12-28-2004, 11:11 PM
Fair enough. But do you atleast find him exciting, with that warrior-never quit attitude..I mean, he fights with broken hands and everything! I've seen other "greats" quit for much less. Few give it everything they have in the ring the way he does; he fights like it's his last fight every time he enters the ring. I've yet to see a boring fight with him in it. Guy has alot of heart ;)


Oh no doubt. Your always gonna get your money's worth with Gatti.

tracylee
12-28-2004, 11:12 PM
Tracy-Gatti is like 5'7-5'8 and usually comes in to fight around 155-158, Leija is like 5'4-5'5 and comes in around 148-50 limit so Gatti has a bit of an advantage especially in the weight department.


Gatti has always shown weaknesses against guys who box with him, Had Branco boxed the early rounds he would have won that fight....Gatti is good with glass chinned cans and brawlers, any guy who moves will outpoint Gatti in every department.

Wow! I didnt realize the size difference was that vast! I still hope he wins this cause he's my favorite active fighter today and makes good fights ;) (we share the same birthday, which means squat to anyone else, but I think its funky!!)

Miguel Cotto X 23
12-28-2004, 11:20 PM
Gatti will ko Leija in 5.

tracylee
12-28-2004, 11:23 PM
Gatti will ko Leija in 5.

Man I hope so, but Panchito Bojado hits pretty hard too, and he didnt manage to knock him out :confused:

mic573
12-29-2004, 12:11 AM
Gatti won't ko Leija. Gatti may win but he won't knock Leija out. Leija is a pretty tough fighter himself and he also is the better boxer skillwise in my opinion. Since Gatti has been with Buddy Mcgirt the only fighter Gatti has outboxed using his boxing skills was a shot Terron Millet. Leija is no Terron Millet. I think it will be a boxing match at first with the edge going to Leija and then it will fall into a brawl where I think Leija will hold his own and get a close decision. Gatti needs this fight to be a brawl because I don't think he can outbox Leija.

bigdaddy
12-29-2004, 11:51 AM
I think Gotti will win but either way it should be a very good fight. Gotti needs this fight and he always comes ready to fight. It will be a long night for Leija. When its over no matter what happens Leija is gonna know he was in a fight.

Soundtraveler
12-29-2004, 12:15 PM
I see Gatti winning this one, on points, not a ko. While both fighters have the heart, I see Gatti as the one who will outwork Jessie.

I look for this one to be very entertaining and most likely bloody, with the first cut opened before the Ring Announcer finishes the official introductions!

Gatti by split decision....

tracylee
12-29-2004, 12:16 PM
I think Gotti will win but either way it should be a very good fight. Gotti needs this fight and he always comes ready to fight. It will be a long night for Leija. When its over no matter what happens Leija is gonna know he was in a fight.

Man a truer statement has yet to be made than that last bit there! I dont think anyone thats tangled with Gatti woke up the next morning feeling all fresh and revitalized! Talk about sore and aching :D

spinksjinx
12-29-2004, 12:32 PM
I think Gotti will win but either way it should be a very good fight. Gotti needs this fight and he always comes ready to fight. It will be a long night for Leija. When its over no matter what happens Leija is gonna know he was in a fight.



Explain how Gatti needs this fight?


Im curious.

Kimmy
12-29-2004, 01:02 PM
I am a bit mythed at this statement of Gatti needing this fight. It is on paper a much easier option than fighting someone like Tsyzu or Mayweather. He is the favorite. However, i feel it is a keep busy fight before the mayweather fight, which would be a mandatory defense in the summer. Gatti has got little chance of beating mayweather so i think him earning a payday and keeping his title is a good idea before being fed to Floyd!

mic573
12-29-2004, 01:07 PM
Man a truer statement has yet to be made than that last bit there! I dont think anyone thats tangled with Gatti woke up the next morning feeling all fresh and revitalized! Talk about sore and aching :D

I think Delahoya can say he woke up the next morning feeling fine.

bigdaddy
12-29-2004, 01:11 PM
When he wins this fight eveyone who thinks he can't box might think a little different. He nees this fight to quite some people up about him not fighting anyone worth a crap.

mic573
12-29-2004, 01:13 PM
When he wins this fight eveyone who thinks he can't box might think a little different. He nees this fight to quite some people up about him not fighting anyone worth a crap.

If he wins this fight it won't be by outboxing Leija.

Soundtraveler
12-29-2004, 01:13 PM
If I made the millions of dollars Oscar makes, I would wake up feeling fine if I got hit by a truck, and so would everyone else here, but the pain from the punch was more than he could take, it was no dive, just a punch that landed in a vulnarable spot...

chingon28
12-29-2004, 01:20 PM
I think gatti will take this one by a late round stoppage.

KJ
12-29-2004, 02:33 PM
I think it will be a good fight indeed. Gatti in the ring mostly garantees thunder. :)

James Leija is a nice boxer (the first time I saw him fight was against Azuma zumzum Nelson), a veteran with still some fights left in him (Francisco Bojado).

Gatti will win the fight on late round ko, and it will be Gatti boxing with some brawls and with some moments for Leija.

In regard to a previous post: Did he outbox only Terron Millet? How about ward 3? how about Dorin?

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/518/8687gatti-dorin.gif

tracylee
12-29-2004, 02:47 PM
I think Delahoya can say he woke up the next morning feeling fine.

Alright, you got me there

KJ
12-29-2004, 03:10 PM
I think Delahoya can say he woke up the next morning feeling fine.

Gatti should have fired his trainer (Rocca) for throwing in the towel! ;) :D

mic573
12-29-2004, 04:05 PM
[QUOTE=KJ]In regard to a previous post: Did he outbox only Terron Millet? How about ward 3? how about Dorin?QUOTE]

Gatti/Ward 3 was more of a brawl and the Dorin fight was turning into a brawl with Dorin come on and tagging Gatti until the bodyshot.

bpapa420
12-29-2004, 05:11 PM
I think gatti will win, but it will be a war!

Jessie is no pushover by any means and it will be a tough fight.

tracylee
12-29-2004, 05:15 PM
I think gatti will win, but it will be a war!

Jessie is no pushover by any means and it will be a tough fight.

exactly..thats pretty much what I'm thinking too! A good fight regardless

marvdave
12-29-2004, 05:24 PM
Leija is a tough veteran who will fight his heart out. Should be interesting for 5 rounds or so, but Gatti's power will eventually catch up to JJL. I look for a TKO for Gatti..around 7 or 8 rounds.

watch for cuts in this one..it will be a blood bath.

Chups
12-29-2004, 05:58 PM
Isn't Leija 38 yrs old? Gatti by decision....but it won't be easy. :eek:

tracylee
12-29-2004, 06:04 PM
Isn't Leija 38 yrs old? Gatti by decision....but it won't be easy. :eek:

Probably not! I'm pretty much in agreement with the general opinion....a blood bath with cuts and possibly an all out war. And atleast 5 to 8 rds, cause I know if he's forced to Gatti will brawl instead of box..its what comes natural to him so converting to it is realy easy (and I swear i think he likes it too!). I'm looking forward to it very much, and the undercard aint nothing to turn your nose up to either! All around a good night of boxing (brawling)

IwatchBoxing
12-29-2004, 07:36 PM
Gatti KO 4 or 6

KJ
12-30-2004, 02:27 PM
Gatti/Ward 3 was more of a brawl and the Dorin fight was turning into a brawl with Dorin come on and tagging Gatti until the bodyshot.

For 2 rounds Gatti landed his punches, sliped, turned and got out or stepped back. Never during the whole Dorin fight did he stand to trade punches or in any other way brawled. So except in your crystal ball maybe, the fight was not turning into a brawl. ;)

With ward 3 I remember Gatti to have stand his ground and brawled for 1 round only; the 4rd or 6th. (Nice! To be sure I have to watch it again :) )

pimpin2
12-30-2004, 02:30 PM
This should be a classic fight between to good veterens. really hard to pick a winner on this one but since gatti is on a roll i'd have to give it to him by SD