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elveiel
12-28-2004, 02:14 PM
KOSTYA Tszyu: Show me the money

By GRANTLEE KIEZA

December 29, 2004

KOSTYA Tszyu wants a lot more than the $5.2 million being offered if he has to fly all the way to Manchester to hammer English hero Ricky Hatton in his next fight.

Yesterday Tszyu and his manager Matt Watt sat down at Kostya's Carss Park castle to consider a deal from England's leading promoter Frank Warren to fight Hatton next year. Watt stressed if the fight took place Warren would have to dig much deeper into his silk-lined pockets.

While Warren's American rival Murad Muhammad, who is offering Tszyu a four-fight deal worth nearly $20 million, labelled fighting in England a "crazy move", Watt refuted a report in Britain's Guardian newspaper yesterday that the IBF junior-welterweight champion was under pressure from American telecaster Showtime to take the fight.

"Kostya is under no pressure from Showtime," Watt said. "Showtime has always been very supportive of him.

"The pressure is being applied by Showtime on Kostya's promoter Vlad Warton to provide Kostya with a deal."

Watt said Tszyu had no qualms about fighting Hatton in Manchester even if it meant boxing at 4am for prime time audiences in the US.

But he was not about to make huge profits for others unless he was well compensated.

"At the end of the day the Manchester fight comes down to economics," Watt said. "The promoters are making a lot of additional money for themselves by staging the fight there.

"They get pay-per-view revenues out of the UK which will be enormous and the MEN Arena in Manchester will be chockablock.

"What the promoters have to do is show the champion why he should fight at four in the morning in the other guy's backyard. People are using Kostya's name to put an event on and the way it works is you have to take care of the talent. If we choose to fight Hatton in Manchester it will be because the deal makes sense not because we were forced into it."

While Warren has indicated to the British press that the Hatton deal is a foregone conclusion, Watt said negotiations had really only just begun and Hatton was just one of several options under review.

Tszyu faces being stripped of his IBF belt if he does not face Hatton by August, but Watt said Tszyu "had gone beyond belts".

"We want to keep the IBF belt, of course," he said. "But if Kostya was to fight Oscar De La Hoya for $10 million, there would not have to be a world title belt involved."

The race to sign Tszyu to a multi-million-dollar deal is a global adventure involving some of the most colourful characters in the most bizarre of sports.

The five main players are:

FRANK WARREN
Warren promotes the two biggest stars in England, Ricky Hatton and super-middleweight Joe Calzaghe, and says he has a verbal agreement with Tszyu's promoter Vlad Warton for a Tszyu-Hatton fight.

Brought up in a council flat overlooking a railway station, Warren ended up living in a house which once belonged to King Henry VIII.

His business style made him as many enemies as admirers and in 1989 he was shot four times at point blank range outside a fight club. One of his former world champs, Terry Marsh, was acquitted.

Warren spent weeks in intensive care and while he was out of action, his sporting empire went bust with debts of $120 million. But he fought back hard.

In 2000 he had a celebrated bust-up with Mike Tyson after promoting one of his fights in Glasgow. Tyson later denied newspaper reports that he had punched Warren or that he had threatened to throw him out of a seventh-storey window after the promoter refused to pay a bill of nearly $1 million Tyson had ticked up at a jewellery store.

VLAD WARTON
Russian born and Las Vegas- based Warton, is a former Parramatta Road used car salesman who became Tszyu's promoter after the world champion's costly split with his original backer Bill Mordey.

He says his love for the fight game began at the age of six when he translated for the Cuban amateur team in Chechnya. He came to Australia in 1973 aged 15.

MURAD MUHAMMAD
In 1991 the Nevada State Athletic Commission fined Muhammad $33,000 for taking part in a melee in the ring after the first Mike Tyson-Razor Ruddock fight. Film shows Muhammad kicking toward Tyson's trainer, Richie Giachetti, a former arsonist, who had been knocked to the canvas.

Last year boxing agent Sampson Lewkowicz, a former employee of Muhammad, filed a $4 million suit against him, alleging the brawny promoter "punched me in the face without provocation" at the IBF convention in Puerto Rico. DON KING
A former Cleveland gangster, King shot a man dead in self defence and kicked another to death over a $600 gambling debt. He once had his house blown up and survived a shotgun blast to the back of his own skull.

After getting out of jail on a manslaughter lag in the early '70s he formed an alliance with Muhammad Ali that bankrolled him as the biggest promoter in the game for three decades.

King remains keen to sign Tszyu for a fight with world welterweight champ Cory Spinks, whose father, Leon, once beat Ali. Tszyu tried to get the fight happening in May last year but negotiations broke down.

OSCAR DE LA HOYA
The richest boxer in history with earnings of more than $300 million, De La Hoya recently declared he wants to move back from the middleweight division to the welterweights.

"I would love Kostya Tszyu [as an opponent]," said De La Hoya, who made $40 million from his last bout, a loss to Bernard Hopkins.

"Kostya is definitely someone I want to fight."

elveiel
12-28-2004, 02:19 PM
:confused: Somethings confusing me!!

All the top 140 pound fighters say that they will easily beat Hatton, which is fair enough because thats there opinion.

But why do they want huge paydays for the trouble? Why do they ask for the biggest payday of there career to fight someone they consider a fake who only fights bums??

RobbieD
12-28-2004, 03:05 PM
Kosta isn't worth $5 million to fight here. Nobody knows him here. Hatton is the draw.

QueenCity
12-28-2004, 05:18 PM
Wow that 5.2 million sounds pretty good and if Frank Warren sweetens the pot just a little more I say a Hatton/Tszyu fight will go down in England. Then we'll all get to see what Ricky can do against the creme de la creme of welters.

elveiel
12-28-2004, 06:38 PM
Wow that 5.2 million sounds pretty good and if Frank Warren sweetens the pot just a little more I say a Hatton/Tszyu fight will go down in England. Then we'll all get to see what Ricky can do against the creme de la creme of welters.

the creme de la creme of boxing.

p4p i think Tszyu would give anyone a good fight.

Kimmy
12-28-2004, 07:49 PM
Yeah but come on. 5.2 million to fight what everyone says isn`t that hard of a fight? Tsyzu is coming to the end of his career and i respect that he wants big fights and paydays but his promoter claiming they would surrender the IBF title if they choose not to fight Hatton?
It seems to me that with Tsyzu demanded this kinda payday shows that they are not as conifident as it would appear. Hatton is young, undefeated and hungry. He is probably in his prime and apart from cuts he has not shown any vunerbility. He boxes well and can punch. He showed in the Vince Philips fight that he can fight hard for 12 rds and that he can haddle big fights. But Hatton isn`t Oscar De La Hoya. 5.2 million for a mandatory defence is a hell of alot of money for Tsyzu, who is a pound for pound claiment but never a crowd pleasing golden boy. There is no shame in fighting a 38 - 0 - 0 (28) fighter and it does strike me that Tsyzu is avoiding him. If they fought anywhere else but Manchester the money wouldn`t be that good. He is getting a much better payday than he did against Mitchell, who was a mandatory, so why the fuss over Hatton? They must feel Hatton is a risk and even when the money is there they still refuse to fight him.
Frank Bruno, a British hevyweight from the 80`s - 90`s was WBC champ and went to las Vegas to fight Mike Tyson, Lyold Honneygan British Welterweight went to Atlantic City to fight Donald Curry. I feel it is a champions duty to travel on occasion especially when it boasts the purse and Tsyzu has only fought in Australia and the States. Hatton has had several fights on undercards in America. I feel this is an excuse by the Tsyzu camp. They clearly do not want this fight even though it is the most rewarding at the moment in money terms. The reason? They feel that Hatton has a chance of beating him! If hatton defeated Tsyzu, no De La Hoya, no Spinks, no big money! It is business, but only because Hatton means business!

davico
12-28-2004, 08:56 PM
KT knows that the PPV money that Frank Warren will make off the back of a KT v Hatton fight will be huge and that he is giving Hatton a huge opportunity to gain exposure to the US. Why shouldn't he demand a share when he could easily demand the fight take place in Australia and Russia and earn more for himself without giving up home advantage. If you want to have everything in your favour like Warren does. You gotta be willing to pay the price that the CHAMP demands.

Kimmy
12-28-2004, 09:03 PM
5.2 million is the price, it is the best payday of his career!

davico
12-28-2004, 09:13 PM
5.2 million is the price, it is the best payday of his career!
As I said, WHY should he take it if he knows the other guy is making more?

Kimmy
12-28-2004, 09:18 PM
Hopkins fought De La Hoya, he was making more but it still was Hopins best payday!

Kimmy
12-28-2004, 09:20 PM
It doesn`t matter anyhow, let it ride, either Tsyzu vacates or they`ll go to purse bids and everyone will be screwed. I just hope that this fight happens and Hatton beats Tsyzu then no one can underrate him anymore!

RobbieD
12-28-2004, 09:54 PM
As I said, WHY should he take it if he knows the other guy is making more?

Simple really. The person who draws the more money makes more money. If Hatton can sell 22,000 seats fighting Joe Blow off the street, what can Kosta Tsyzu add? Granted, it would go to PPV but that would simply be to finance Tsyzu's wage. Vivian Harris refused the biggest payday of his life to go to Manchester to fight Hatton for $750,000 because he thought champions should make more money. No! The draw makes money. Why did Tarver and Johnson both give up two belts to make a fight happen? Money. Being champion means nothing unless you can draw with that belt.

davico
12-28-2004, 10:07 PM
You don't think that KT v Gatti, Mayweather or Spinks would not generate more interest in the US where the big dollars are to be made?

elveiel
12-29-2004, 04:31 AM
You don't think that KT v Gatti, Mayweather or Spinks would not generate more interest in the US where the big dollars are to be made?

I think Gatti would but i'm unsure about the other two because Hattons got a huge following.

Hatton vs Tszyu should be easy to make because of networks. I dont think Hatton getting anywhere near as much as Tszyu for the fight if it happens, if he wins he will make a fortune in future but i'm told the purse is ver low for fighting someone as good as Tszyu.

RobbieD
12-29-2004, 10:22 PM
You don't think that KT v Gatti, Mayweather or Spinks would not generate more interest in the US where the big dollars are to be made?

Being that they don't draw numbers on PPV now, erm no.

Mr. Untouchable
01-08-2005, 12:12 PM
:confused: Somethings confusing me!!

All the top 140 pound fighters say that they will easily beat Hatton, which is fair enough because thats there opinion.

But why do they want huge paydays for the trouble? Why do they ask for the biggest payday of there career to fight someone they consider a fake who only fights bums??
You pose some good questions, but my question is WHY DOES EVERYONE HAVE TO COME TO M.E.N ARENA TO FIGHT HATTON?
That's all I ever here "we offered so and so x amount of money to come over here and fight ricky"
Ricky is the challenger why can't he travel and make less money than the champ? Isn't that what most challengers do? You shoudl your greatness by going into the champs backyard and bust his ass and then return home and demand that everyone comes to you and fight under your terms for your belt like Hatton already does.... He has proven that he is a good fighter and carries himself as likeable person, but he needs to take his show on the road if he wants to be respected...

elveiel
01-08-2005, 02:59 PM
You pose some good questions, but my question is WHY DOES EVERYONE HAVE TO COME TO M.E.N ARENA TO FIGHT HATTON?
That's all I ever here "we offered so and so x amount of money to come over here and fight ricky"
Ricky is the challenger why can't he travel and make less money than the champ? Isn't that what most challengers do? You shoudl your greatness by going into the champs backyard and bust his ass and then return home and demand that everyone comes to you and fight under your terms for your belt like Hatton already does.... He has proven that he is a good fighter and carries himself as likeable person, but he needs to take his show on the road if he wants to be respected...

Because thats were his fights generate the most money.

Hatton's a "champion" entertainer, he's developed a style that not only wins but makes thousands of people pay to see it! Like any other fighter these days its supply in demand, Hatton can demand more money because the people are paying to see him.

IMO the ticket selling fighter should earn the most, but i sometimes overlook that when the ticket seller is facing a genuine champion. Fighters like Harris, Cotto and Gatti are not genuine because the beat nobodys to get their titles.

I think Hatton would fight anywhere but Warren doesnt want that, Warrens all about the money. I dont see many US fighter travelling, i dont blame them because who would travel to earn less money??

I respect fighters on their ring performances, not on the location of their fights. if the refs and judges are non bias who's cares where the fight is!?!?

The only issue i have with Hatton is his lack of elite opponents, he's fought some very good guys but he lacks the elite fighter on his record.

jedihillis
02-01-2005, 03:22 AM
Man, these people are nuts. I wish i could make 5 mil for just beating, or getting beat down by someone.

SonnyJ
02-01-2005, 10:00 AM
Kosta isn't worth $5 million to fight here. Nobody knows him here. Hatton is the draw.
that's the point. why fight hatton in manchester? fight mayweather in melbourne

diz82
02-03-2005, 09:38 AM
just got my ticket for the fight!

J !
02-03-2005, 09:48 AM
me too got 6 for the lads!

jreng1
02-03-2005, 09:41 PM
me too got 6 for the lads!

thanks for the good read. cant wait for the fight.

chubb5000
05-03-2005, 11:49 AM
Rickys got a undefeated professional record, he needs to be crushed now

J !
05-03-2005, 11:53 AM
Rickys got a undefeated professional record, he needs to be crushed now

thanks for that.
seems we have another fistic genius on our hands :eek: :rolleyes: :D

mosley
05-12-2005, 05:33 AM
:confused: Somethings confusing me!!

All the top 140 pound fighters say that they will easily beat Hatton, which is fair enough because thats there opinion.

But why do they want huge paydays for the trouble? Why do they ask for the biggest payday of there career to fight someone they consider a fake who only fights bums??


That's a good point. Big fights take years to happen or never happen at all because some fighter want's too much money to fight. I have been sceptical for years of fighters who say "He's a bum who only fights other bums. But ahh, by the way I want 10 trillion bucks to fight him just in case I lose." curios to say the least. :rolleyes:

kidrock
05-14-2005, 05:39 PM
That's a good point. Big fights take years to happen or never happen at all because some fighter want's too much money to fight. I have been sceptical for years of fighters who say "He's a bum who only fights other bums. But ahh, by the way I want 10 trillion bucks to fight him just in case I lose." curios to say the least. :rolleyes:


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