Give me some suggestions, please, because I was going to do a top ten and make it into a poll - yet all I can think of is the words "John" next to "Ruiz"

Cuz he is one of the only boxers with NO redeeming quality. I mean, only his parents and his corner like him.

Paul Spadafora may fall in that category too.

Johny.....

Sonny Liston

No, people liked Liston.

Hector Macho Camacho & Son
The Price had quite a few haters as well, I liked him.

Besides Ruiz I can only think of Holmes and Lewis. Both og them never got the credit they deserved when they were active.

Prince Naseem Hamed

Besides Ruiz I can only think of Holmes and Lewis. Both og them never got the credit they deserved when they were active.

Too right they didn't and two fine fighters they were at that. Shame really

Too right they didn't and two fine fighters they were at that. Shame really
I can understand Lewis' unpopularity (The guy was boring, never really showed heart in any fight except against Klitschko). But Larry Holmes' lack of fan fare was befuddling to me because he was simply as great a champ as there could be. He was always in exciting fights, took on the best, ducked no one. He is a much better fighter than Lennox Lewis.

I can understand Lewis' unpopularity (The guy was boring, never really showed heart in any fight except against Klitschko). But Larry Holmes' lack of fan fare was befuddling to me because he was simply as great a champ as there could be. He was always in exciting fights, took on the best, ducked no one. He is a much better fighter than Lennox Lewis.

I think peoples problem with Lennox is that he has always been substancially better than most of the fighters he has fought and by disposing of them easily via KO or points has given people the impression that he doesn't show heart. He has rarely been in a situation where he has had to show great efforts of tremendous heart because he beat all but two of his opponents and beat them both bad in the rematches.

I didn't like Lewis for jumping ship, from Jamaca to CA then the UK. He got my respect and I started liking him after Bowe dumped the belt. I felt Bowe was afraid of him, and I liked Bowe quite a bit too! Many people think that Lennox is ****y and stuck on himself. I am giving excuses that I have heard. I am not a Lewis hater myself. I think he played the game better than many of the HWs in my lifetime.

I think peoples problem with Lennox is that he has always been substancially better than most of the fighters he has fought and by disposing of them easily via KO or points has given people the impression that he doesn't show heart. He has rarely been in a situation where he has had to show great efforts of tremendous heart because he beat all but two of his opponents and beat them both bad in the rematches.
The guy always fought safe unless he was in there with a garbage fighter (Ruddock, Morrison, McCall). If he had ko'ed Holyfield in the first fight, he would've gotten alot more props than he did. He made his choice and now has to live with it.

Bowe dumping that title did come across that he was running scared. I think if they would have fought it would have been an unpredictable fight. Although at the time when the proposed fight was Bowe was already on a decline.

The guy always fought safe unless he was in there with a garbage fighter (Ruddock, Morrison, McCall). If he had ko'ed Holyfield in the first fight, he would've gotten alot more props than he did. He made his choice and now has to live with it.


True he wasn't the most exciting fighter in some of his fights but been cautious was the way to go. Getting KO'd by McCall proved to Lennox that his chin could be vulnerable for which he adopted a more cautious style after that. Against the really big hitters he knew he had to out fight them and thats what he did.

Prince Naseem Hamed was very popular. I know alot of non-boxing fans who knew and talked about him..

True he wasn't the most exciting fighter in some of his fights but been cautious was the way to go. Getting KO'd by McCall proved to Lennox that his chin could be vulnerable for which he adopted a more cautious style after that. Against the really big hitters he knew he had to out fight them and thats what he did.
But he made a choice and has to live with the reprecussions of it. He will never be mentioned alongside the Ali's, Dempsey's, or the Marciano's because of his style.

Vincent Pettway, who the **** is he? Like my new avatar? Does it piss you off?

But he made a choice and has to live with the reprecussions of it. He will never be mentioned alongside the Ali's, Dempsey's, or the Marciano's because of his style.

I'm not sure to be honest, he was definatly the best Heavyweight of the modern era. He has gone down in the history books as a great but how much of a great i'm not sure. Where does he rate in your all time Heavyweight rankings?

I'm not sure to be honest, he was definatly the best Heavyweight of the modern era. He has gone down in the history books as a great but how much of a great i'm not sure. Where does he rate in your all time Heavyweight rankings?
I think he's not among the elite:
1)Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Rocky Marciano
Larry Holmes

But is in the greats, second tier:
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2) Lennox Lewis
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Mike Tyson
Ezzard Charles

He's second class of 4.

3) Good, but not great:
Floyd Patterson
Sonny Liston
Ingemar Johnanssen
Gene Tunney
Jimmy Ellis

4) Titlists:
Trevor Berbick
Chris Byrd
Pinklon Thomas
Mike Weaver
George Chuvalo

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I think he's not among the elite:
1)Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Rocky Marciano
Larry Holmes

But is in the greats, second tier:
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2) Lennox Lewis
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Mike Tyson
Ezzard Charles

He's second class of 4.

3) Good, but not great:
Floyd Patterson
Sonny Liston
Ingemar Johnanssen
Gene Tunney
Jimmy Ellis

4) Titlists:
Trevor Berbick
Chris Byrd
Pinklon Thomas
Mike Weaver
George Chuvalo

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I agree with you there myself and i'm a huge Lennox fan but we have to be realistic. :D I like how you divided that into four, it's alot better than putting them all in one set like i did. Where would you put Jack Johnson and Joe Louis? Surely they are in the top too.

I agree with you there myself and i'm a huge Lennox fan but we have to be realistic. :D I like how you divided that into four, it's alot better than putting them all in one set like i did. Where would you put Jack Johnson and Joe Louis? Surely they are in the top too.
Yeah, Louis is the greatest heavyweight of all time in my opinion. Jack Johnson was also in the elite.

Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis, Jack Johnson, Naseem Hamed, Macho camacho

Yeah, it's as I thought, there's no real conclusions here. I was looking for fighters who, like Ruiz, appear to have no fans whatsoever.

I mean, Frank Bruno may be derided for his boxing ability and his lack of success, but he was far, far more popular than Lewis due to his personality... in his home country at least.

Naz, Tyson and Lennox have haters - but the first two also have lovers, while the third has appreciaters.

There's no one that really comes close to Ruiz's overall lack of popularity. Who gave this thread one star anyway?

I think he's not among the elite:
1)Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Rocky Marciano
Larry Holmes

But is in the greats, second tier:
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2) Lennox Lewis
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Mike Tyson
Ezzard Charles

He's second class of 4.

3) Good, but not great:
Floyd Patterson
Sonny Liston
Ingemar Johnanssen
Gene Tunney
Jimmy Ellis

4) Titlists:
Trevor Berbick
Chris Byrd
Pinklon Thomas
Mike Weaver
George Chuvalo

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good list but ezzard charles IS NOT SECOND TIER, the man is one of the greatest champions of all time, he decisioned Joe Louis, and beat Walcott 4 out of 5 times, was one of the very few to take the Rock the distance and roughed him up bad

good list but ezzard charles IS NOT SECOND TIER, the man is one of the greatest champions of all time, he decisioned Joe Louis, and beat Walcott 4 out of 5 times, was one of the very few to take the Rock the distance and roughed him up bad
He didn't dominate on the level Joe Louis or Ali did.

He didn't dominate on the level Joe Louis or Ali did.


at 175 he did, he was undisputed champ, left his title undefeated, and was undisputed at hw, watch some old films of his skills, he could really slip and slide

Hated fighters:

Naz
Ruiz
Lewis
Hatton - I think it's fair to put him in this group unfortunately, outside of the uk he has hardly any fans.