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McGoorty
10-31-2011, 02:09 PM
PIERCE EGAN and his Book : Is EGAN Really the 1st true sport historian ??Here is a link for a preview of the book, I hope to get some replies, so please do.http://books.google.com/books?id=MTyZFEUWD9cC&printsec=frontcover

McGoorty
10-31-2011, 03:03 PM
My god, anybody read the bit about RICHARD III, is this King the first ever English boxer, Egan writes, "That he was uncommonly expert, either on foot, or on horseback in displaying a variety of Manly feats-- such as drawing the bow, raising the sling, or throwing the javelin, but particularly distinguished with a clenched fist, when opposed to an antagonist, by the extreme potency of his arm". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shakespeare's take on Richard of Gloucester is WAAAAAY off the mark, this guy was a killing machine on the battlefield,... and he was barely a Featherweight..... And one of the first boxers... maybe.....

McGoorty
11-02-2011, 10:18 AM
Seriously, this is a good read and one of the most famous boxing books...... where is everybody ????

eli porter
11-02-2011, 12:31 PM
Yeah, I have this but haven't read it yet so I couldn't really comment.

Sugarj
11-02-2011, 01:56 PM
One of the first boxing books I read, a very good read!

McGoorty
11-02-2011, 03:06 PM
One of the first boxing books I read, a very good read!
It sure is,,, the first sport history book..... It's boxing's Illiad.

Sugarj
11-02-2011, 06:55 PM
It sure is,,, the first sport history book..... It's boxing's Illiad.

Its partially responsible for getting me into the sport many moons ago. My school library had an old, dusty, battered copy that looked centuries old (probably was! I should have nicked it!!!). The book itself had a real atmosphere and made me think of these early pioneers as serious historical figures.

Spartacus Sully
11-03-2011, 03:16 AM
My god, anybody read the bit about RICHARD III, is this King the first ever English boxer, Egan writes, "That he was uncommonly expert, either on foot, or on horseback in displaying a variety of Manly feats-- such as drawing the bow, raising the sling, or throwing the javelin, but particularly distinguished with a clenched fist, when opposed to an antagonist, by the extreme potency of his arm". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shakespeare's take on Richard of Gloucester is WAAAAAY off the mark, this guy was a killing machine on the battlefield,... and he was barely a Featherweight..... And one of the first boxers... maybe.....

nah, boxing has been around since rome and ****.

theres one scene in the odessy where uslesses gets in a fight with some dude and throws a right counter knocking the dude out.

McGoorty
11-03-2011, 06:29 AM
nah, boxing has been around since rome and ****.

theres one scene in the odessy where uslesses gets in a fight with some dude and throws a right counter knocking the dude out.
I know, I've read the Illiad, love it. I was talking ENGLISH boxing only as I am all too aware of Rome and Greece, and I didn't know that about Richard III and he's one king I have read a lot on....... Boxiana also mentions that Aelfred The Great trained his soldiers with boxing much the same way as the Legions did. I am always impressed when someone knows Homer, ................. keep up the good posts

McGoorty
11-03-2011, 06:33 AM
Its partially responsible for getting me into the sport many moons ago. My school library had an old, dusty, battered copy that looked centuries old (probably was! I should have nicked it!!!). The book itself had a real atmosphere and made me think of these early pioneers as serious historical figures.
You shoulda nicked it, probably worth a quid too by now. Yes it's a good read but I was a bit worried that many would find the older lingo hard to understand, being nuts about history I don't have that problem.

Marchegiano
11-17-2011, 01:22 PM
Hey buddy. Check out Pugilistica. another really insightful read of ye olde tyme

rob snell
11-18-2011, 04:45 AM
I have pdf files of both of these books so if you want them ask away and i will email the links

Marchegiano
11-18-2011, 10:26 AM
My **** mate. I just got 'round to Richard. Something of a Sammy Langford way way before his time. I do love me a little fella with a wallahp. We all think we know him, but we don't. I do however stick by the Blackadder's take. Quite good, very much the amusing figure he was. Not so much the battle scenes or the events, but his mannerisms. Anyway a few thousand angry turks complete with sword and horse vs good king Richard III and a spreading knife. I'd be bettin' on ol' Richie.....next beers and whores! lol cool dude.

I was wondering if y'all like to gather digital books (PDF's) upload them on megaupload and put the links in one thread. Maybe get a criteria for what type of book to add......I've already got Dempsey's on file. I've a hard cover of Rocky's I could scan in. plus Boxiana and Pugistica. Thoughts?

rob snell
11-19-2011, 05:34 AM
I have several of these files and it must be well over 100meg so fine by me.Never used that upload site so need some info from someone who has.

McGoorty
11-19-2011, 11:22 AM
Its partially responsible for getting me into the sport many moons ago. My school library had an old, dusty, battered copy that looked centuries old (probably was! I should have nicked it!!!). The book itself had a real atmosphere and made me think of these early pioneers as serious historical figures.
that's cool, brings back memories for ya. Yep I enjoyed it too

McGoorty
11-19-2011, 11:23 AM
I have pdf files of both of these books so if you want them ask away and i will email the links
Yes please mate, I'd love a link for pugilistica/

McGoorty
11-19-2011, 11:33 AM
My **** mate. I just got 'round to Richard. Something of a Sammy Langford way way before his time. I do love me a little fella with a wallahp. We all think we know him, but we don't. I do however stick by the Blackadder's take. Quite good, very much the amusing figure he was. Not so much the battle scenes or the events, but his mannerisms. Anyway a few thousand angry turks complete with sword and horse vs good king Richard III and a spreading knife. I'd be bettin' on ol' Richie.....next beers and whores! lol cool dude.

I was wondering if y'all like to gather digital books (PDF's) upload them on megaupload and put the links in one thread. Maybe get a criteria for what type of book to add......I've already got Dempsey's on file. I've a hard cover of Rocky's I could scan in. plus Boxiana and Pugistica. Thoughts?
I have been getting E-mails from Jimmy Clabby, the grandson of the famous Jimmy Clabby and author of the book on his grandad. I could'nt believe it, he got in contact with me from this forum. I was stunned, here's a fighter I have done a thread on, admired his skill in going 20 rounds twice with guess who, Les Darcy of course. Mr. Clabby jr jr, seems like a good bloke and we have had a few chats on Clabby. Apparently, he thought I might be a McGoorty in real life so as he is searching for relatives of the McGoorty's and Van Dusarts. I promised him I'd ask atround, so if any of the posters here know anything about the living relatives of tough Eddie McGoorty... for the record, I just use the name cos its cool,.............................. but not as cool as the correspondence from Jim Clabby, I am going to get his book, I have heard of it,,,,,, and read a "review" on it. Good to see ya'll again.

McGoorty
11-19-2011, 11:39 AM
My **** mate. I just got 'round to Richard. Something of a Sammy Langford way way before his time. I do love me a little fella with a wallahp. We all think we know him, but we don't. I do however stick by the Blackadder's take. Quite good, very much the amusing figure he was. Not so much the battle scenes or the events, but his mannerisms. Anyway a few thousand angry turks complete with sword and horse vs good king Richard III and a spreading knife. I'd be bettin' on ol' Richie.....next beers and whores! lol cool dude.

I was wondering if y'all like to gather digital books (PDF's) upload them on megaupload and put the links in one thread. Maybe get a criteria for what type of book to add......I've already got Dempsey's on file. I've a hard cover of Rocky's I could scan in. plus Boxiana and Pugistica. Thoughts?
Ol' tricky Dicky certainly was a tough dude,,,,, in actual fact, his elder brother Edward IV, was a bastard, the Duchess had an affair with, guess what ?.. a blacksmith, thats why Dicky was small and wiry, and Steady Eddie was a huge giant, a super, super HW, guy was tall too,... but no way a rightful king, but who cares.. Bid Ed IV..... won it on the battlefield,,,,,,, ah boxers, thems was the days, when if you had the balls,the ability and toughness and intelligence,,,, you didn't win a belt, you won a crown, and an island

McGoorty
11-19-2011, 11:43 AM
My **** mate. I just got 'round to Richard. Something of a Sammy Langford way way before his time. I do love me a little fella with a wallahp. We all think we know him, but we don't. I do however stick by the Blackadder's take. Quite good, very much the amusing figure he was. Not so much the battle scenes or the events, but his mannerisms. Anyway a few thousand angry turks complete with sword and horse vs good king Richard III and a spreading knife. I'd be bettin' on ol' Richie.....next beers and whores! lol cool dude.

I was wondering if y'all like to gather digital books (PDF's) upload them on megaupload and put the links in one thread. Maybe get a criteria for what type of book to add......I've already got Dempsey's on file. I've a hard cover of Rocky's I could scan in. plus Boxiana and Pugistica. Thoughts?
My friend, I already did that a month ago,,,,one thread-- links galore to many books,,,, I did a Nat Langham thread... big article.... A Frank Klaus thread with his book there too.... there are half a dozen threads there that you will really dig.

Marchegiano
11-19-2011, 12:04 PM
Lmao! now thats a bloody quote init? Thats great, and it's getting thrown into a caption. I'm gonna make me a new poster for my gym. I dunno if you can actually get a pic of Richard but so far thats the idea. A nice thrown painting or battle field account. 'ah boxers, thems was the days, when if you had the balls,the ability and toughness and intelligence,,,, you didn't win a belt, you won a crown, and an island' possibly my favorite quote from a scene thread.

I had a new idea I was hoping to get y'all to help me with. I'd very very much like record as many books as i can. Hire me a school teacher or something like that, and record them. I've got a proper recording studio, and I'm certain I can get someone to read books for money.

McGoorty
11-19-2011, 01:18 PM
Lmao! now thats a bloody quote init? Thats great, and it's getting thrown into a caption. I'm gonna make me a new poster for my gym. I dunno if you can actually get a pic of Richard but so far thats the idea. A nice thrown painting or battle field account. 'ah boxers, thems was the days, when if you had the balls,the ability and toughness and intelligence,,,, you didn't win a belt, you won a crown, and an island' possibly my favorite quote from a scene thread.

I had a new idea I was hoping to get y'all to help me with. I'd very very much like record as many books as i can. Hire me a school teacher or something like that, and record them. I've got a proper recording studio, and I'm certain I can get someone to read books for money.
I'm glad you enjoyed that, it was pure McGoorty, it is a good quote come to think of it. Yes there is a portrait of Richard III and Edward IV, they are not of them in armour though. I think he was just an unlucky king, but as the Duke Of Glouscester he was the best warrior in England, he had talent as a general too,,,, price of a mistake may be your arm off at the shoulder, they may have been pompous nobles, but never forget they were full time professional knights, just as the yeoman class were full time longbowmen... longbowman, and I thought Darcy's reach was incredible,... those bowmen made Les's reach look silly.

McGoorty
11-19-2011, 01:20 PM
Lmao! now thats a bloody quote init? Thats great, and it's getting thrown into a caption. I'm gonna make me a new poster for my gym. I dunno if you can actually get a pic of Richard but so far thats the idea. A nice thrown painting or battle field account. 'ah boxers, thems was the days, when if you had the balls,the ability and toughness and intelligence,,,, you didn't win a belt, you won a crown, and an island' possibly my favorite quote from a scene thread.

I had a new idea I was hoping to get y'all to help me with. I'd very very much like record as many books as i can. Hire me a school teacher or something like that, and record them. I've got a proper recording studio, and I'm certain I can get someone to read books for money.
on your poster,.. after CROWN,........(a few dots after for effect)..... an island,,,,, hope I was of help

McGoorty
05-09-2012, 12:26 PM
This Bump is for you Rory,.. one of boxings most famous books