View Full Version : Jeff Chandler vs Orlando Canizales?


Pastrano
10-20-2011, 06:37 PM
How do you see this fight going? I think its virtually impossible to predict the outcome, even harder since it never happened...shame. Joltin Jeff was already finished by the time Orlando became a force. But if any bantamweight after the golden bantamweights era had a chance against a prime Jeff Chandler, thats surely Orlando Canizales.

TBear
10-20-2011, 06:44 PM
I would say Chandler by decision. More decisive if scheduled for 15. Orlando would do better than his brother did however.

SCtrojansbaby
10-21-2011, 03:13 AM
How do you see this fight going? I think its virtually impossible to predict the outcome, even harder since it never happened...shame. Joltin Jeff was already finished by the time Orlando became a force. But if any bantamweight after the golden bantamweights era had a chance against a prime Jeff Chandler, thats surely Orlando Canizales.

Ever heard of a guy named Rafeal Marquez?

jabsRstiff
10-21-2011, 07:40 AM
As beautiful a fighter as Canizales could be, his competition over all of those title defenses was pretty mdiocre. Chandler faced the superior comp. Jeff's biggest problem was complacency, and it's ultimately what cost him.

Chandler W15 over Orlando in a damn good fight.

SCtrojansbaby
10-21-2011, 07:52 AM
As beautiful a fighter as Canizales could be, his competition over all of those title defenses was pretty mdiocre. Chandler faced the superior comp. Jeff's biggest problem was complacency, and it's ultimately what cost him.

Chandler W15 over Orlando in a damn good fight.

Was Chandler's comp really that great? I could be way off but it looks to me the best guy Chandler ever beat was Gaby Canizales.

jabsRstiff
10-21-2011, 08:05 AM
Was Chandler's comp really that great? I could be way off but it looks to me the best guy Chandler ever beat was Gaby Canizales.


Oscar Muniz, Jorge Lujan, Julian Solis, Gaby C...were better than Seabrooks, Gonzalez, Hardy, etc.

You weren't folowing boxing in '81-'83, so you have NO CLUE what the status of those fighters was at the time. So, please, don't be an idiot and attempt to argue. I followed both Chandler's abd Canizales' reigns as they happened and with great interest, YOU DID NOT.

I was a huge Orlando C. fan....but was always a little annoyed by his lack of comp through his reign.

SCtrojansbaby
10-21-2011, 08:26 AM
Oscar Muniz, Jorge Lujan, Julian Solis, Gaby C...were better than Seabrooks, Gonzalez, Hardy, etc.

You weren't folowing boxing in '81-'83, so you have NO CLUE what the status of those fighters was at the time. So, please, don't be an idiot and attempt to argue. I followed both Chandler's abd Canizales' reigns as they happened and with great interest, YOU DID NOT.

I was a huge Orlando C. fan....but was always a little annoyed by his lack of comp through his reign.

I agree it was much better overall than Canizales.

Its not exactly a laundry list of top competition though(not that you implied it was). All I am saying is if the best guy you beat was Gaby Canizales then Chandler's resume wasn't really all that either, but I'll defer to you since you were around and followed it closely.

Pastrano
10-21-2011, 10:42 AM
Ever heard of a guy named Rafeal Marquez?

It took Rafa some time to develop and reach his peak. Peak Rafa could win but also lose to Chandler. I think Orlando C was still more talented technically than Rafa.

SCtrojansbaby
10-21-2011, 11:53 AM
It took Rafa some time to develop and reach his peak. Peak Rafa could win but also lose to Chandler. I think Orlando C was still more talented technically than Rafa.


He was at his peak in 2003 when he stopped Tim Austin. Marquez is the best bantamweight of the past 40 years IMO

Scott9945
10-21-2011, 02:02 PM
He was at his peak in 2003 when he stopped Tim Austin. Marquez is the best bantamweight of the past 40 years IMO


You might want to watch Carlos Zarate at 118 before you say that. He was a better boxer and a better puncher than Marquez.

On topic, Chandler has become a very underrated fighter all these years later.

SCtrojansbaby
10-21-2011, 02:50 PM
You might want to watch Carlos Zarate at 118 before you say that. He was a better boxer and a better puncher than Marquez.

On topic, Chandler has become a very underrated fighter all these years later.

I disagree that Zarate is a better boxer.

joseph5620
10-21-2011, 03:21 PM
I disagree that Zarate is a better boxer.




What brings you to this conclusion? Break down for everybody why you believe this. Or better yet, what exactly do you know about Zarate other than what you see on boxrec?

jabsRstiff
10-21-2011, 04:55 PM
He was at his peak in 2003 when he stopped Tim Austin. Marquez is the best bantamweight of the past 40 years IMO

Yes, and your opinion is ridiculous, as previously noted.

I'm pretty certain no one who really follows boxing would agree with this quoted post, but.....you're all about being different over being logical. Enjoy.

SCtrojansbaby
10-21-2011, 05:16 PM
What brings you to this conclusion? Break down for everybody why you believe this. Or better yet, what exactly do you know about Zarate other than what you see on boxrec?

Marquez like all Nacho fighters are master boxers who have some of the best combinations and counter punching you'll ever see. Zarate while obviously tall sometimes gave away his height and often struggled fighting inside

Scott9945
10-21-2011, 06:36 PM
Marquez like all Nacho fighters are master boxers who have some of the best combinations and counter punching you'll ever see. Zarate while obviously tall sometimes gave away his height and often struggled fighting inside

Struggled when? This is fiction. His only loss at 118 was a highly dubious decision to Pintor. Zarate was a killer inside and outside, and a better boxer than Rafael Marquez.

joseph5620
10-21-2011, 08:14 PM
Struggled when? This is fiction. His only loss at 118 was a highly dubious decision to Pintor. Zarate was a killer inside and outside, and a better boxer than Rafael Marquez.



I knew he had no idea what he was talking about and would make something up.That's why I asked him to explain it. Mission accomplished lol.

Scott9945
10-21-2011, 08:57 PM
I knew he had no idea what he was talking about and would make something up.That's why I asked him to explain it. Mission accomplished lol.


I really like Rafael Marquez. But the only two bantamweights that I've ever seen who could beat Zarate would be Jofre and Olivares. It's just a higher level of excellence.