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Nonperial
10-18-2011, 04:55 AM
I'm planning on working and researching on the life & battles of The Nonperial.
Are there any good sources or information about this man available. I'll also be working on a second edition on my recent book on Stanley Ketchel in the future. Any help about Dempsey would be great!


Thank you,
Manny

Pastrano
10-18-2011, 08:03 AM
:lol1: Rofl man, you got his name wrong and in the process your own nickname wrong also. Its NONPAREIL. Capisce?

JAB5239
10-18-2011, 08:15 AM
:lol1: Rofl man, you got his name wrong and in the process your own nickname wrong also. Its NONPAREIL. Capisce?

This is uncalled for! But it's funny so Im gonna let it slide!

JAB5239
10-18-2011, 08:23 AM
http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/non-jack.htm

http://www.ibhof.com/pages/about/inductees/oldtimer/dempseynonpareil.html

http://www.*********.com/garfields/dempseynon.php

I personally don't know enough to help you, but these links might provide some assistance. The words censored out are fight and beat. Put them together with the rest of the url and there is a very good article by historian Tracy Callis.

Nonperial
10-18-2011, 08:46 AM
Damn my bad ..lol

Nonperial
10-18-2011, 09:07 AM
Thank you for the information on the "Nonpareil" lol

McGoorty
10-18-2011, 08:06 PM
Part I of III

By Tracy Callis
Boxing Historian
**********.us Partner







ack Dempsey, born John Edward Kelly, was an extremely popular fighter in America during the 1880s. Only the great John L. Sullivan, heavyweight champion, was more famous.

Jack began his athletic career as a collar-and-elbow wrestler along with his brother, Martin. Soon, he gave it up and switched to boxing exclusively. Most of his contests were fought with bare-knuckles or skin-tight gloves under London Prize Ring rules.

He was one of the ***8220;Three Jacks***8221; trio of prominent fighters at the time along with Jack McAuliffe and Jack Skelly. Dempsey was by far the most famous of the three with McAuliffe second.

Jack started fighting as a lightweight and eventually won the Middleweight Championship of the World even though he never weighed more than a welterweight during his entire career.

Dempsey had his first fight in 1883 and was unbeaten until 1889 ***8211; when he lost for the first time on an ***8220;illegal***8221; punch ***8211; a backhand (or elbow) delivered by George LaBlanche while fighting at close quarters. In all, Dempsey fought for thirteen years and lost only three times ***8211; the other two losses coming against ring greats Bob Fitzsimmons and Tommy Ryan when Dempsey was well past his peak and in a dissipated physical condition (due to a losing battle against tuberculosis).

Grombach (1977, p 108) wrote that he ***8220;***8230; fought both with bare and gloved fists. For almost ten years, from 1881 to 1891, the original Dempsey was unbeatable. In many ways, he is considered the most extraordinary boxer in the epic of the ring. He actually was a welterweight in many of his battles. ***8220;




here are a number of explanations as to how Jack obtained the moniker ***8220;Nonpariel***8221;. Bromberg (1962, p. 7) wrote that he took his last name from his mother and borrowed ***8220;Nonpariel***8221; from the great English pugilist, Jack Randall. Luckett Davis, eminent boxing historian, points out that ***8220;He outclassed his rivals so decisively ***8230;***8221;.

Some boxing historians suggest Dempsey looked so good because his opposition was weak. This writer contends his opposition looked weak because Dempsey was so good. Gilbert Odd (1976, p. 45) wrote that Dempsey ***8220; ***8230; was regarded as invincible in American estimation***8221;.

Physically, Jack was slender, muscular, quick and agile. He had fast hands and a stiff right hand punch. He was crafty and elusive and utilized feints accompanied by a sharp, accurate left jab . Fight after fight, his opponents were battered, bruised, and cut up while he scarcely had any marks at all.

"Dempsey brought polished boxing skill.. and an appreciation of the finer points of ringmanship to the modern ring"


Richard Fox (1889, p. 8) wrote ***8220;***8230; his agility and quickness on his legs and his thorough knowledge of pedal motion - handicaps any boxer he faces in the roped arena***8221;.

John McCallum (1974, p 125) says ***8220;Dempsey brought polished boxing skill ***8230; and an appreciation of the finer points of ringmanship to the modern ring***8221;.

Richard Fox (1889, p. 7) says ***8220;His style and method of boxing has a neatness about it ***8230; He stops blows aimed at him by his adversaries with so much skill, and hits his antagonist with such terrific force and comparative ease, that he astonishes and terrifies his opponents beyond measure ***8230; those ambitious to win the title of the middleweight champion are soon convinced of his superior knowledge and athletic prowess***8221;.

McGoorty
10-18-2011, 08:07 PM
Luckett Davis says ***8220; ***8230; he used his intelligence and agility to defeat his opponents, making good use of feints and a quick left jab***8221;. He adds ***8220;***8230; he was an excellent boxer-puncher and ring general***8221;.

Marshall Stillman (1920, p. 87) wrote that Dempsey ***8220;retained the middleweight championship for many years and was exceedingly scientific, securing his victories more through science than through rough tactics.***8221;

In addition to being an extremely clever boxer, he was quite valuable to have as a trainer or second during a contest. He seconded Joe Choynski against Jim Corbett and Choynski lasted 27 rounds. He seconded Jack McAuliffe against Jimmy Carroll and McAuliffe won the Lightweight title. He worked as trainer and second on many other occasions and even advised Bob Fitzsimmons later in his career.




Dempsey was not the typical pugilist type. He was handsome, well-spoken and mannerly. Also, he was personable and made friends easily. On most occasions, after trouncing an opponent in the ring, he was calm and rather indifferent towards the praise being heaped upon him.

With his ring savvy and exceptional skills, Dempsey usually made a fight go his way. But, when the going got tough, he was quite game.

n December 13, 1887, Dempsey fought Johnny Reagan at Manhasset on Long Island Sound, NY. The match lasted 1 hour and 8 minutes. Dempsey slogged through water and mud and won in 45 rounds to retain his Middleweight Championship. The contest was fought in two rings due to the heavy rain and flooding conditions. Reagan put a four-inch gash in Dempsey's shin with his sharp ****es during an early round but Jack fought on.

When Dempsey fought Bob Fitzsimmons, he met a man of similar weight in pounds but an entirely different physical structure. Fitz had the lower body structure of a welterweight but the upper torso of a light-heavyweight or heavyweight.

While Dempsey was, in the opinion of this writer, one of the finest welterweight fighters of all-time, Fitzsimmons was the greatest middleweight of all-time as well as the best ***8220;pound-for-pound***8221; man ever. Wilfrid Diamond (1954, p. 45) wrote ***8220;Jack Dempsey, the ***8216;Nonpareil***8217;, was a great champion, but he had to give place to a greater one.***8221;

Fitz dominated Jack, whose health had deteriorated from tuberculosis for the past two or three years. He was well past his peak. Bob knocked the Nonpareil down numerous times. Bob pleaded for Dempsey to stay down but Jack yelled out that Fitz would have to knock him out. Reports vary but Bob floored Dempsey anywhere from nine to fourteen times because Jack was so game and would not quit.

Marshall Stillman (1920, p. 36) wrote about the Dempsey-Fitzsimmons fight ***8220;***8230; Fitzsimmons was more than a match for his man ***8230; Dempsey took a terrible beating, and Fitzsimmons begged the referee to stop the fight, not wanting to punish (any further) such a game man as Dempsey proved himself to be. But, Dempsey refused to quit ***8230;***8221;.

Dempsey***8217;s last fight was against the great Tommy Ryan. Jack, at this time was almost a dead man, having been ***8220;done in***8221; by tuberculosis. But, he still wanted a go at Ryan. It was clear that he was outclassed from the first bell but he fought on. The referee had to stop the contest after three rounds. Dempsey would not quit.

McGoorty
10-18-2011, 08:09 PM
Size of the opposition never bothered Dempsey. He fought Dominick McCaffrey at a weight disadvantage of 152-175 and clearly outboxed the clever McCaffrey. He baffled and butchered LaBlanche in the famous ***8220;pivot***8221; punch contest although outweighed 151-161. He defeated Billy Keough in four rounds weighing only 148 pounds to 180 for Keough.

Nat Fleischer (1944, p. 75) tells the story of a private fight Jack had with a six-footer who was much larger and heavier than Jack. Fleischer says Jack was ***8220;***8230;cat quick***8221; and danced around the man ***8220;***8230;poking him every once in a while with that wonderful left***8221; until he wore him out.

Perhaps his greatest weakness as a fighter was his inclination to consume too much alcohol and to underestimate his opposition. The result was that sometimes he did not train well. However, his great skills usually overcame these problems.

The former great middleweight champion, Mike Donovan, came out of retirement to fight Dempsey in 1888 and, according to many accounts of the bout, probably beat the ***8220;out of shape***8221; Dempsey, who most likely did not take Donovan seriously.

M.J. McMahon (of Portland) wrote a poem dedicated to the memory of Dempsey. Part of it reads as follows:

Far out in the wilds of Oregon,
On a lonely mountainside,
Where Columbia***8217;s mighty waters
Roll down to the ocean side;
Where the giant fir and cedar
Are imaged in the wave,
O***8217;ergrown with firs and lichens,
I found Jack Dempsey***8217;s grave.

O Fame, why sleeps thy favored son
In wilds, in woods, in weeds,
And shall he ever thus sleep on,
Interred his valiant deeds.
***8216;Tis strange New York should thus forget
Its ***8220;bravest of the brave***8221;
And in the fields of Oregon,
Unmarked leave Dempsey***8217;s grave.

Grombach (1977, p. 109) wrote that Dempsey was ***8220;***8230; probably the greatest pound for pound boxer in modern history.***8221;

It is the opinion of this writer that the Nonpareil was the second greatest welterweight fighter of all-time, behind Sugar Ray Robinson. It is also my opinion that he is the third greatest pound-for-pound fighter in boxing history behind Bob Fitzsimmons and Robinson. Part II - Coming this week. References

Bromberg, L. 1962. Boxing***8217;s Unforgettable Fights. New York: The Ronald Press Company

Diamond, W. 1954. Kings of the Ring. London: The World***8217;s Work (1913) Ltd.

Fleischer, N. 1944. Jack McAuliffe, The Napoleon of the Prize Ring. New York: The Ring

Fox, R. 1889. Life and Battles of Jack Dempsey. New York: Richard K. Fox, Publisher.

Grombach, J. 1977. The Saga of Sock. London : Thomas Yoseloff Ltd.; Cranbury, New Jersey: A.S. Barnes and Company, Inc.

McCallum, J. 1974. The World Heavyweight Boxing Championship. Radnor, Pa.: Chilton Book Company

Odd, G. 1976. The Fighting Blacksmith. London: Pelham Books Ltd.

Stillman, M. 1920. Great Fighters and Boxers Volume III. New York: Marshall Stillman Association.

McGoorty
10-18-2011, 08:14 PM
Thank you for the information on the "Nonpareil" lol
This the link to the article I posted,.... use it to find PART 2 and 3. Hope Ya'll liked Collis's story, I found it independently by accident..http://www.*********.com/garfields/dempseynon.php.

Nonperial
10-18-2011, 09:02 PM
Thank you McGoorty for the info on Jack. I greatly appreciate it. Can't wait to read all of it.

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 04:07 AM
Thank you McGoorty for the info on Jack. I greatly appreciate it. Can't wait to read all of it.
No worries mate I was stoked to find that site,..... no good for Les Darcy info but some great articles in there. there's a great Packey McFarland story in there.

Nonperial
10-19-2011, 04:28 AM
No worries mate I was stoked to find that site,..... no good for Les Darcy info but some great articles in there. there's a great Packey McFarland story in there.


Packey was a terrific fighter as well. Les Darcy was a tremendous middleweight fighter... too bad he didn't get a chance to whip Greb. I would of loved that.

Nonperial
10-19-2011, 05:23 AM
After reading about the Original Jack Dempsey I'm pretty convinced he was a talented, slick, intelligent fighter. Maybe the reason why he reigned for as long as he did because his boxing style was possibly way ahead of its time. He is described as a brilliant counter puncher with clever defensive skills and very agile with his movement which means he was probably excellent with his footwork. The Nonpareil is the classic "Great Irish Fighter" he was a true warrior and a icon during the 1880's. Just Like Marvin Hagler was during the 1980's.

Thats how I visualize seeing the original Jack Dempsey. Hopefully in the future I'll find more about his fights from newspaper accounts and be amazed with all the brutal fights he had to go through.

As for the second Jack Dempsey he was the definition of a "Powerhouse". Totally opposite of the first Dempsey who was a true believer of the Sweet Science were Dempsey#2 just wanted to beat the living crap out of you. He had skill as well and he used it in fine fashion. I think Dempsey#2 is probably greater because he was heavyweight champion and during the golden era of Tex Rickard. I think the technology in his day helped enhance his celebrity status much faster through radio including news reels in movie theaters. The first Dempsey was not fortunate to have that.

But I have a feeling the first Dempsey fought more often and had much more savage battles not only in the bareknuckle era but under the "Marquis Of Queensberry Rules" as well. Both fighters to me personally are what fighters should be. They gave everybody their money's worth and got the job done!

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 05:28 AM
Packey was a terrific fighter as well. Les Darcy was a tremendous middleweight fighter... too bad he didn't get a chance to whip Greb. I would of loved that.
I think it could be right that,... I think Darcy would have been too big for MW after 1918 or 19 at the latest, so maybe Greb would have still been champion, they could have fought for a few years later but they'd be going for the LHW title..... Les would have OWNED that division for years.

LeG00N
10-19-2011, 06:00 AM
Great read. That Dempsey was a tough SOB

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:14 AM
I have to change my rankings lists..... Nonpariel was only a Welterweight,.... he must rank very high as a WW now and higher in my pound for pound rankings.... this dude may well be rightfully included as a TOP 10 A.T.G....... what a fighter but no wonder Fitz beat him, Bob was huge compared to the great Dempsey.

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:17 AM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3D97woAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3D1gUGAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D896%2 C5643007%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bdempsey%26hl%3D en&ei=bZWeTsKZHOOHmQW-7KybCQ&usg=AFQjCNE8sEPtHUyfGCVhAdqd3vZVVAnaxg&sig2=WdWFB4C72xauXOz97GW_iw

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:17 AM
https://www.google.com/url?url=http://news.google.com/newspapers%3Fid%3D16FXAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DwfMDAAAAIB AJ%26pg%3D6887,492247%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bde mpsey%26hl%3Den&rct=j&sa=X&ei=bZWeTsKZHOOHmQW-7KybCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQ-AsoADAA&q=jack+nonpareil+dempsey&usg=AFQjCNH9qn5SHVzTlHJnDF3lrLh0zBQjrA

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:18 AM
https://www.google.com/url?url=http://news.google.com/newspapers%3Fid%3DKLYdAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DclwEAAAAIB AJ%26pg%3D1575,638988%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bde mpsey%26hl%3Den&rct=j&sa=X&ei=bZWeTsKZHOOHmQW-7KybCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDMQ-AsoATAA&q=jack+nonpareil+dempsey&usg=AFQjCNFPixKvrcSiidKUbwlp-EsJmqGmKw

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:18 AM
https://www.google.com/url?url=http://news.google.com/newspapers%3Fid%3DVWgnAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DEgQGAAAAIB AJ%26pg%3D3863,577343%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bde mpsey%26hl%3Den&rct=j&sa=X&ei=bZWeTsKZHOOHmQW-7KybCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQ-AsoAjAA&q=jack+nonpareil+dempsey&usg=AFQjCNF30PAj65EThf2OYqdbKZBq3czDIg

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:19 AM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CD8QqQIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3D7bsgAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DhWkFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D2725% 2C783291%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bdempsey%26hl%3D en&ei=bZWeTsKZHOOHmQW-7KybCQ&usg=AFQjCNGy3SZH3gbwsU3U6WwtlClBaDVO2A&sig2=OBEhw6foNf6hxbDNJK9pUw

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:20 AM
https://www.google.com/url?url=http://news.google.com/newspapers%3Fid%3D7bsgAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DhWkFAAAAIB AJ%26pg%3D2809,738332%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bde mpsey%26hl%3Den&rct=j&sa=X&ei=bZWeTsKZHOOHmQW-7KybCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CEAQ-AsoADAD&q=jack+nonpareil+dempsey&usg=AFQjCNETYEqKQHc1-gd-dRfWp9QANspLnA

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:20 AM
https://www.google.com/url?url=http://news.google.com/newspapers%3Fid%3DBllCAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3De7kMAAAAIB AJ%26pg%3D3173,2520189%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bd empsey%26hl%3Den&rct=j&sa=X&ei=bZWeTsKZHOOHmQW-7KybCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CEsQ-AsoATAF&q=jack+nonpareil+dempsey&usg=AFQjCNGB4hfzXaggwVd3KCzq8fxUWzZCyw

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:21 AM
https://www.google.com/url?url=http://news.google.com/newspapers%3Fid%3Dk_xeAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DVGINAAAAIB AJ%26pg%3D3015,1113024%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bd empsey%26hl%3Den&rct=j&sa=X&ei=bZWeTsKZHOOHmQW-7KybCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CEwQ-AsoAjAF&q=jack+nonpareil+dempsey&usg=AFQjCNGgzc_9NUs1qcPK5joVdPt4YFhlGQ

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:23 AM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=23&ved=0CDQQqQIwAjgU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3DR8wgAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DhmoFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D1297% 2C1619523%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bdempsey%26hl%3 Den&ei=AJeeTofbKuLHmQWXo7C3DQ&usg=AFQjCNHr1v_A-arv01D7rESKD2r6fVfuQA&sig2=X9DnhlafSGfW5C0DEhh6nw

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:24 AM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=26&ved=0CD0QqQIwBTgU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3D-OFBAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DsLgMAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D3727%2C49 425%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bdempsey%26hl%3Den&ei=AJeeTofbKuLHmQWXo7C3DQ&usg=AFQjCNEwtheB1vTRcem31KAIy77Ku-0jWQ&sig2=rEFQWbmEhTU82aCXGmSzqw

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:24 AM
https://www.google.com/url?url=http://news.google.com/newspapers%3Fid%3D_eFBAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DsLgMAAAAIB AJ%26pg%3D4941,278458%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bde mpsey%26hl%3Den&rct=j&sa=X&ei=AJeeTofbKuLHmQWXo7C3DQ&ved=0CD4Q-AsoADAFOBQ&q=jack+nonpareil+dempsey&usg=AFQjCNFqW3QgpnvmXG_vhyeIS8O3f3WGZg

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:25 AM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=31&ved=0CDAQqQIwADge&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3DdOhBAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DqrgMAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D6293% 2C6019593%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bdempsey%26hl%3 Den&ei=aZeeTovKDZGfmQXSndmJCQ&usg=AFQjCNGs8MqRTF-l0TYkAn5S6Ylwe_LG5g&sig2=TDcT_eh7N7LYNgOCKf--Ig

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:26 AM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=37&ved=0CDwQqQIwBjge&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3DBqBDAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DvbgMAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D3242% 2C4820523%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bdempsey%26hl%3 Den&ei=aZeeTovKDZGfmQXSndmJCQ&usg=AFQjCNHlij0oD6zUjigH6pW1S0k3h6Fmsw&sig2=kLjq4mAWrHHhIGRANdCV_Q

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:26 AM
https://www.google.com/url?url=http://news.google.com/newspapers%3Fid%3DJgVlAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DVHgNAAAAIB AJ%26pg%3D3500,1460753%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bd empsey%26hl%3Den&rct=j&sa=X&ei=aZeeTovKDZGfmQXSndmJCQ&ved=0CD4Q-AsoATAGOB4&q=jack+nonpareil+dempsey&usg=AFQjCNEJ2TX6_NZK1QC-n4QGn1BsFlBq0A

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:26 AM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=39&ved=0CEMQqQIwCDge&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3DZgFCAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DurgMAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D5062% 2C5485149%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bdempsey%26hl%3 Den&ei=aZeeTovKDZGfmQXSndmJCQ&usg=AFQjCNEjmXmtt2eal7IraFTxTwCfNgORaw&sig2=If34F1m5rDrz41U0JLqgNw

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:27 AM
https://www.google.com/url?url=http://news.google.com/newspapers%3Fid%3DeOpfAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DDr0MAAAAIB AJ%26pg%3D3924,6133056%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bd empsey%26hl%3Den&rct=j&sa=X&ei=aZeeTovKDZGfmQXSndmJCQ&ved=0CEQQ-AsoADAIOB4&q=jack+nonpareil+dempsey&usg=AFQjCNF5CO2XUGUUk6wVyya7kQiOW81axA

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:29 AM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=54&ved=0CDYQqQIwAzgy&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3DwgobAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3D0UgEAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D2891% 2C1421334%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bdempsey%26hl%3 Den&ei=OZieTq_rI43LmAX8rtC0CQ&usg=AFQjCNFgZ63xOI5SKYlYX8513tqT5jicCQ&sig2=0nXuhTTScK7eQWQpnUmQ6Q

Nonperial
10-19-2011, 06:32 AM
Wow...thank you for all those Dempsey newspaper accounts McGoorty. You're awesome!

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:32 AM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=87&ved=0CDwQqQIwBjhQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3DyBYnAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DbgMGAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D2339% 2C1999342%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bdempsey%26hl%3 Den&ei=9JieTpGLIIfPmAXzv4GFCQ&usg=AFQjCNFDhHZqr4VrfcvepjkRe-bY3LID9w&sig2=V184JeWXoNFhwQTlT5zk4A

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:38 AM
Wow...thank you for all those Dempsey newspaper accounts McGoorty. You're awesome!
Oh shucks,... I thought I'd give you a hand getting started,.... researching Darcy has taught me a lot about using the net for primary and secondary sources and a lot of other things. If you visit my home page you can check all my many threads on bare knuckle and up to the 20's....... There are some cool links on those threads..... I have two types of threads...... serious boxing history..... and novelties, just to keep people in good spirits with humour...... PM me if you want to know more.

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:43 AM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=95&ved=0CDgQqQIwBDha&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3DJbtVAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3DRpsDAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D6756% 2C6653035%26dq%3Djack%2Bnonpareil%2Bdempsey%26hl%3 Den&ei=RJueTrG-KKmhmQW31NWYCQ&usg=AFQjCNFCSGL0DbxG4znqpszmh8EGNdRhrA&sig2=y5CWGEioCIFsqrr10ZFAZg

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 06:49 AM
Wow...thank you for all those Dempsey newspaper accounts McGoorty. You're awesome!
BTW there are others that are pay per view...so you'll need to pay them eventually..... all less than $10,......... I need to pay for more Darcy info... have not done it yet, but I'll have to so I can make sure I'm accurate. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe you can write some of those out, then you can cut and paste to your hearts content..... And I'd be interested if you could give a short rundown of those fights, especially the ones less known to us, it's good practice.

Nonperial
10-19-2011, 07:04 AM
Yeah that's a good idea. I didn't think of that. Yeah that would be good practice. I'll give it a shot. So what really happened to Les Darcy what did he die of?

McGoorty
10-19-2011, 07:44 AM
Yeah that's a good idea. I didn't think of that. Yeah that would be good practice. I'll give it a shot. So what really happened to Les Darcy what did he die of?
Septicaemia is the official verdict, he had two teeth knocked out when he Knocked out Heavyweight Harold Hardwick (moments after he lost his teeth he sent the big man into Disneyland) for the Australian HW Title...... He had a dentist put the teeth back in,... the dentist killed him, but his incredible amount of 20 round fights may have had their toll. He was winning fights in a canter in 20 rounders from at least as young as early in his seventeenth year. He fought more fights and soooo many more rounds than most modern fighters before his 21st birthday........ Darcy's last fight was as a 20 year old,.... a genius of a fighter with the whole caboodle.

Nonperial
10-19-2011, 07:33 PM
Septicaemia is the official verdict, he had two teeth knocked out when he Knocked out Heavyweight Harold Hardwick (moments after he lost his teeth he sent the big man into Disneyland) for the Australian HW Title...... He had a dentist put the teeth back in,... the dentist killed him, but his incredible amount of 20 round fights may have had their toll. He was winning fights in a canter in 20 rounders from at least as young as early in his seventeenth year. He fought more fights and soooo many more rounds than most modern fighters before his 21st birthday........ Darcy's last fight was as a 20 year old,.... a genius of a fighter with the whole caboodle.



Wow I didn't know that...The Dentist sure didn't know the hell they were doing. Darcy barely out of his teens and already had a great record to his credit. That's pretty Impressive. I read that Dempsey#1 had a very tragic ending as well.

McGoorty
10-22-2011, 05:21 AM
Wow I didn't know that...The Dentist sure didn't know the hell they were doing. Darcy barely out of his teens and already had a great record to his credit. That's pretty Impressive. I read that Dempsey#1 had a very tragic ending as well.
most boxers end up in tragedy.... That record and the testimony of those who saw him fight,,,, Jack Kearns said that Darcy was the greatest middleweight to ever live,.... he still held that view as late as the 60's... Tunney said the same thing and so did Dempsey II,,, and most Aussies have held that view.... when you see how many great and very good fighters he beat and that 46 W's and 29 KO's and TKO's is virtually amazing.