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Welsh Jon
10-13-2011, 12:59 PM
I was bored so I made list:

1. Ezzard Charles
2. Gene Tunney
3. Archie Moore
4. Sam Langford
5. Maxie Rosenbloom
6. Michael Spinks
7. Harry Greb
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Harold Johnson
10. Bob Foster
11. Jimmy Bivins
12. Jack Delaney
13. Matthew Saad Muhammad
14. Billy Conn
15. Roy Jones Jr.

what do you guys reckon?

Pastrano
10-13-2011, 01:29 PM
I was bored so I made list:

1. Ezzard Charles
2. Gene Tunney
3. Archie Moore
4. Sam Langford
5. Maxie Rosenbloom
6. Michael Spinks
7. Harry Greb
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Harold Johnson
10. Bob Foster
11. Jimmy Bivins
12. Jack Delaney
13. Matthew Saad Muhammad
14. Billy Conn
15. Roy Jones Jr.

what do you guys reckon?
Not bad, but I'd have Johnson at nr. 5.

New England
10-13-2011, 01:37 PM
I was bored so I made list:

1. Ezzard Charles
2. Gene Tunney
3. Archie Moore
4. Sam Langford
5. Maxie Rosenbloom
6. Michael Spinks
7. Harry Greb
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Harold Johnson
10. Bob Foster
11. Jimmy Bivins
12. Jack Delaney
13. Matthew Saad Muhammad
14. Billy Conn
15. Roy Jones Jr.

what do you guys reckon?



Resume?
h2h?
or "greatness?"

McGoorty
10-13-2011, 03:49 PM
I was bored so I made list:

1. Ezzard Charles
2. Gene Tunney
3. Archie Moore
4. Sam Langford
5. Maxie Rosenbloom
6. Michael Spinks
7. Harry Greb
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Harold Johnson
10. Bob Foster
11. Jimmy Bivins
12. Jack Delaney
13. Matthew Saad Muhammad
14. Billy Conn
15. Roy Jones Jr.

what do you guys reckon?
That's wrong...... here's mine... I've got my #1 sorted but I'll put some more names up in no particular order....... #1. JOE CALZAGHE. then in no order,.... NICK PIPER... NATHAN KING... NICK FISHER... NOEL TRIGG.... RANDY JONES.... NATHAN CLEVERLY (maybe my #2.).......... REDVERS SANGOE ...... ROBERT PEEL (wasn't he a Prime Minister ? )..... WAYNE BROOKS...... I reckon I can't name any more because it's them and then daylight.

Welsh Jon
10-13-2011, 03:59 PM
Resume?
h2h?
or "greatness?"

Resume mostly

Welsh Jon
10-13-2011, 04:05 PM
That's wrong...... here's mine... I've got my #1 sorted but I'll put some more names up in no particular order....... #1. JOE CALZAGHE. then in no order,.... NICK PIPER... NATHAN KING... NICK FISHER... NOEL TRIGG.... RANDY JONES.... NATHAN CLEVERLY (maybe my #2.).......... REDVERS SANGOE ...... ROBERT PEEL (wasn't he a Prime Minister ? )..... WAYNE BROOKS...... I reckon I can't name any more because it's them and then daylight.

Oh man, please don't draw me into another Calzaghe debate!

Also you're list seems to be missing Jack Petersen.

NChristo
10-13-2011, 04:07 PM
I like it, would have Billy Conn in top 10 but can't please everyone.

McGoorty
10-13-2011, 05:14 PM
Oh man, please don't draw me into another Calzaghe debate!

Also you're list seems to be missing Jack Petersen.
Oh man I had trouble finding some of those names, I kept trying to type in the right thing to get results...... for some reason every time I typed in the obvious word,.......... I kept getting directed to sites about confectionary, I didn't want any lollies......

Greatest1942
10-13-2011, 05:43 PM
I was bored so I made list:

1. Ezzard Charles
2. Gene Tunney
3. Archie Moore
4. Sam Langford
5. Maxie Rosenbloom
6. Michael Spinks
7. Harry Greb
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Harold Johnson
10. Bob Foster
11. Jimmy Bivins
12. Jack Delaney
13. Matthew Saad Muhammad
14. Billy Conn
15. Roy Jones Jr.

what do you guys reckon?

Harry Greb in top 10 is a breath of fresh air.
But I would have liked it more Conn was in top 10. But lists are always subjective.

McGoorty
10-13-2011, 06:50 PM
Harry Greb in top 10 is a breath of fresh air.
But I would have liked it more Conn was in top 10. But lists are always subjective.
What About Harry ?......... an Alfred Hitch**** Movie

SCtrojansbaby
10-13-2011, 08:48 PM
lol at Saad Mummad over Roy Jones

joseph5620
10-13-2011, 10:13 PM
I was bored so I made list:

1. Ezzard Charles
2. Gene Tunney
3. Archie Moore
4. Sam Langford
5. Maxie Rosenbloom
6. Michael Spinks
7. Harry Greb
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Harold Johnson
10. Bob Foster
11. Jimmy Bivins
12. Jack Delaney
13. Matthew Saad Muhammad
14. Billy Conn
15. Roy Jones Jr.

what do you guys reckon?

Good list. I think I would replace some names with John Henry Lewis.

SBleeder
10-14-2011, 06:37 AM
lol at Saad Mummad over Roy Jones

What did Jones do at 175 that would justify rating him over MSM? And no, being more recent doesn't count.

SCtrojansbaby
10-14-2011, 06:54 AM
What did Jones do at 175 that would justify rating him over MSM? And no, being more recent doesn't count.

MSM's resume

Wins over

Conteh x2
Lopez x2
Johnson x2

stopped by Qawi x2 and stopped by Eric Winbush

Roy Jones resume

Virgil Hill(already better then anybody MSM beat)
Reggie Johnson
Merqui Sosa
Montell Griffin
Mike McCallum
Julio Cesar Gonzalez

lost maybe 10 rounds total at light heavyweight in his prime.

Its not close one guy got stopped twice by the best man he ever fought and his best wins are over B class fighter. The other is arguable the most dominant champion ever

Pastrano
10-14-2011, 10:56 AM
MSM's resume

Wins over

Conteh x2
Lopez x2
Johnson x2

stopped by Qawi x2 and stopped by Eric Winbush

Roy Jones resume

Virgil Hill(already better then anybody MSM beat)
Reggie Johnson
Merqui Sosa
Montell Griffin
Mike McCallum
Julio Cesar Gonzalez

lost maybe 10 rounds total at light heavyweight in his prime.

Its not close one guy got stopped twice by the best man he ever fought and his best wins are over B class fighter. The other is arguable the most dominant champion ever
MCCALLUM?! Please tell me youre not serious!:nonono: Mike was 40 and washed up. Sosa fight got stopped way too early. Saad's resume ****s allover Roy's! Virgil Hill fight was at 178. And no way is Virgil better than Conteh and Johnson, no matter how much I like him. Roy's opposition was mostly subpar compared to Saad's. He fought mostly guys that came from nowhere and disappeared into nowhere afterwards.

And you forgot to mention Marvin Camel, Lottie Mwale and Murray Sutherland on Saad's resume. Qawi was a very tough matchup for ANYBODY back then, even for Jones he would be gruelling. And MSM was already worn out and faded from all the gruelling battles he had.

SCtrojansbaby
10-14-2011, 11:17 AM
LMAO did you really just say John Conteh and Marvin Johnson are better than Virgil Hill that says all I need to know.

Welsh Jon
10-14-2011, 11:57 AM
LMAO did you really just say John Conteh and Marvin Johnson are better than Virgil Hill that says all I need to know.

Marvin Johnson was as good, if not better than Virgil Hill.

John Conteh was certainly better than anyone RJJ fought, apart from Hill.

SCtrojansbaby
10-14-2011, 12:43 PM
Marvin Johnson was as good, if not better than Virgil Hill.

lol you can't make this stuff up

kendom
10-14-2011, 12:58 PM
Wasn't Hill 34 at the time of the fight with Jones?

Scott9945
10-14-2011, 01:16 PM
MSM's resume

Wins over

Conteh x2
Lopez x2
Johnson x2

stopped by Qawi x2 and stopped by Eric Winbush

Roy Jones resume

Virgil Hill(already better then anybody MSM beat)
Reggie Johnson
Merqui Sosa
Montell Griffin
Mike McCallum
Julio Cesar Gonzalez

lost maybe 10 rounds total at light heavyweight in his prime.

Its not close one guy got stopped twice by the best man he ever fought and his best wins are over B class fighter. The other is arguable the most dominant champion ever

Very clever how how included MSM's losses on their resumes, but neglected showing that Roy lost to Tarver (2x), Johnson, and (technically) Griffith. I believe that is called selective discrimination. :nono:

Welsh Jon
10-14-2011, 01:24 PM
lol you can't make this stuff up

To clarify I meant the Marvin Johnson win was as good if not better than Roy's win over a Virgil Hill who was in his mid 30's when he fought Roy.

I don't see how ranking MSM over RJJ is laughable.

Scott9945
10-14-2011, 06:14 PM
To clarify I meant the Marvin Johnson win was as good if not better than Roy's win over a Virgil Hill who was in his mid 30's when he fought Roy.

I don't see how ranking MSM over RJJ is laughable.

It apparently is if you hang onto Roy's jockstrap.

SCtrojansbaby
10-15-2011, 12:02 AM
To clarify I meant the Marvin Johnson win was as good if not better than Roy's win over a Virgil Hill who was in his mid 30's when he fought Roy.

I don't see how ranking MSM over RJJ is laughable.


lol Marvin Johnson isn't even half the fighter Virgil Hill is plain and simple.

Hill was still in his prime and proved it by going up and winning a cruiserweight championship