View Full Version : Calzaghe vs Dawson


Welsh Jon
10-09-2011, 02:33 PM
I usually try to avoid starting threads on Joe Calzaghe on message boards because there's so many haters that get my annoyed and so many blind ignorant fans that leave me embarrassed. But there have been a few threads on here about Joe recently and it got me thinking about him.

So I just want to pose one question: If he hadn't retired in 2009 and instead decided to fight Chad Dawson, which had been mooted, what would the outcome have been?

New England
10-09-2011, 05:17 PM
we've had a good thread on this before


i think joe is overmatched physically in this one but wins it based on his adjustments and winning mentality


i actually think he might get touched up for a few rounds given dawsons length and jab and his physical size

Scott9945
10-09-2011, 07:12 PM
We'll know a whole lot more about Dawson after 10/15.

SCtrojansbaby
10-09-2011, 11:30 PM
Dawson dominates him probable a shutout decision

sammiza567
10-10-2011, 04:10 AM
calzaghe never fought in usa until his last 2 fights against two old names. i love bhop and its great what he's done. but he got way too much cred for beating amateur pascal. dawson had the worst fight of his career vs pascal and was about to ko him before the cut. calzaghe disgraced the sport by retiring. dawson was the clear cut above and beyond number one contender when joe retired, so save that crap about chad not clearing the division.

#1Assassin
10-10-2011, 08:28 AM
dawson would box him to death. the best way to beat dawson is to smack the **** out of him and take him out of his comfort zone, but joe doesnt have the power. dawson is a level above joe both physicly and skill wise, he would school calzaghe.

Scott9945
10-10-2011, 10:26 AM
calzaghe never fought in usa until his last 2 fights against two old names. i love bhop and its great what he's done. but he got way too much cred for beating amateur pascal. dawson had the worst fight of his career vs pascal and was about to ko him before the cut. calzaghe disgraced the sport by retiring. dawson was the clear cut above and beyond number one contender when joe retired, so save that crap about chad not clearing the division.

"Disgraced the sport by retiring"? Is that a joke?

The_Demon
10-10-2011, 12:13 PM
dawson would box him to death. the best way to beat dawson is to smack the **** out of him and take him out of his comfort zone, but joe doesnt have the power. dawson is a level above joe both physicly and skill wise, he would school calzaghe.

Dawson hasnt schooled anybody as good as Calzaghe before,i think this is a 50/50 match-up,if you dont think joes workrate would cause Dawson problems then you are tripping,the first time bad chad faced somebody fresh he lost his '0',and Pascal aint no Calzaghe

TheHolyCross
10-10-2011, 12:28 PM
Dawson hasnt schooled anybody as good as Calzaghe before,i think this is a 50/50 match-up,if you dont think joes workrate would cause Dawson problems then you are tripping,the first time bad chad faced somebody fresh he lost his '0',and Pascal aint no Calzaghe

and calzaghe has schooled anyone as good as dawson?
has calzaghe even a better resume than dawson?

calzaghe's workrate would give chad problems as much as it did kessler and hopkins,



it'd be a tough fight but i'd definitely pick dawson to win

CiganoBoxer
10-10-2011, 12:42 PM
Calzaghe out boxes Dawson with ease ...just dont see where Dawson can school him. ,Love him or hate him (most on this thread do)but Calzaghe was slick and could adapt to any style even if it was made ugly(Hopkins/Bekia).
Dont see the likes of Dawson who can be Lazy in fights remember ..Sorry i just cant put my head or heart in Dawson outpointing the much busier more skillful Calzaghe ...UD to Calzaghe .

CarlosG815
10-10-2011, 06:14 PM
Calzaghe out boxes Dawson with ease ...just dont see where Dawson can school him. ,Love him or hate him (most on this thread do)but Calzaghe was slick and could adapt to any style even if it was made ugly(Hopkins/Bekia).
Dont see the likes of Dawson who can be Lazy in fights remember ..Sorry i just cant put my head or heart in Dawson outpointing the much busier more skillful Calzaghe ...UD to Calzaghe .



I don't think anybody has ever used the word slick to described Calzaghe, because quite frankly, the guy was anything but slick. Fraud, yes, slick? No.

Control-
10-10-2011, 06:32 PM
calzaghe is a slick underrated fighter. i honestly can't see wtf chad dawson has ever done apart from get smacked around by pascal



calz by late ko or wide UD

CiganoBoxer
10-10-2011, 06:35 PM
Calzaghe was a very good fighter. a great ABA fighter (one of the greatest i believe) and a very good world champion that always found a way to win !
Only haters hate on him, real boxing fans know how good he was !
The man could fight and he did something Dawson couldnt in getting the win over Hopkins who tried to beg cheat and steal to stop Calzaghe winning..all to no avail of course :)

NChristo
10-10-2011, 07:12 PM
he did something Dawson couldnt in getting the win over Hopkins

You're from the future ?.

Ziggy Stardust
10-10-2011, 07:40 PM
Calzaghe was a very good fighter. a great ABA fighter (one of the greatest i believe) and a very good world champion that always found a way to win !
Only haters hate on him, real boxing fans know how good he was !
The man could fight and he did something Dawson couldnt in getting the win over Hopkins who tried to beg cheat and steal to stop Calzaghe winning..all to no avail of course :)

Well, Calzlapghe IS better than the fraud in your avatar. Apart from that he's just another Brit who avoided being horizontal by avoiding any opponent with a pulse.

PS. Eurofrauds do NOT have a pulse. Nor do the washed-up.

Poet

SCtrojansbaby
10-10-2011, 07:43 PM
Dawson hasnt schooled anybody as good as Calzaghe before,i think this is a 50/50 match-up,if you dont think joes workrate would cause Dawson problems then you are tripping,the first time bad chad faced somebody fresh he lost his '0',and Pascal aint no Calzaghe

Adamek>Calzaghe

rorymac
10-10-2011, 08:04 PM
Calzaghe slaps the ***** out of him all night, wide UD. Different class of fighter.

Scott9945
10-10-2011, 08:06 PM
Originally Posted by Mrpedigree http://www.boxingscene.com/designs/radio/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11276396#post11276396)
he did something Dawson couldnt in getting the win over Hopkins


You're from the future ?.

:rofl: It's amazing what some people will try to pass off as fact.

IronDanHamza
10-11-2011, 07:29 AM
I think Calzaghe would beat him by Decison.

Another question;

If Dawson beats Hopkins on saturday what else does he have to do to equal or surpass Calzaghe's resume?

I mean, Dawson's win over Adamek is about as good as Calzaghe's win over Kessler.

Glen Johnson x2 is better than Calzaghe's win over Jeff Lacy.

And 43 Hopkins > 46 Hopkins (Just about)

So really, and rather embarrasingly, If Dawson wins on Saturday he really isn't far off Calzaghe's resume, IMO.

Dawson, on the other hand I feel is and still would be no where near HOF calibur if he wins on Saturday.

joseph5620
10-11-2011, 09:34 AM
I usually try to avoid starting threads on Joe Calzaghe on message boards because there's so many haters that get my annoyed and so many blind ignorant fans that leave me embarrassed. But there have been a few threads on here about Joe recently and it got me thinking about him.

So I just want to pose one question: If he hadn't retired in 2009 and instead decided to fight Chad Dawson, which had been mooted, what would the outcome have been?

Right now I would favor Calzaghe by a close decision. I might change my mind after the Hopkins fight.

joseph5620
10-11-2011, 09:39 AM
I think Calzaghe would beat him by Decison.

Another question;

If Dawson beats Hopkins on saturday what else does he have to do to equal or surpass Calzaghe's resume?

I mean, Dawson's win over Adamek is about as good as Calzaghe's win over Kessler.

Glen Johnson x2 is better than Calzaghe's win over Jeff Lacy.

And 43 Hopkins > 46 Hopkins (Just about)

So really, and rather embarrasingly, If Dawson wins on Saturday he really isn't far off Calzaghe's resume, IMO.

Dawson, on the other hand I feel is and still would be no where near HOF calibur if he wins on Saturday.

If he Dawson wins Saturday his quality of wins surpasses Calzaghe's in my opinion. As of now alone, beating Tarver twice was more impressive than Calzaghe beating a shot Roy Jones jr.

IronDanHamza
10-11-2011, 10:03 AM
If he Dawson wins Saturday his quality of wins surpasses Calzaghe's in my opinion. As of now alone, beating Tarver twice was more impressive than Calzaghe beating a shot Roy Jones jr.

Don't you just find that pathetic? That Chad Dawson's quality of wins will be better than a future HOF'er's?

Beating Tarver twice is certainly better than beating the Jones Jr Calzaghe fought.

Beating Glen Johnson twice is most definitely better than beating Jeff Lacy.

Beating Adamek is equal if not better than beating Kessler.

And Hopkins 43 and Hopkins 46 are round about the same.

I would say that his other 'decent' wins like Richie Woodhall and Robin Reid are not much better than Dawson's win over Diaconu or some of his other bogus title defences.

Dawson is miles away from the HOF though. Don't you think?

I don't consider him to be near the conversation personally.

Yet, Calzaghe is First Ballot. Or atleast he will be.

Still Burner
10-11-2011, 10:35 AM
Its well known here I dont care for Calzaghe but lets be real he'd maul Chad Dawson. No way Dawson beats him, not enough energy, passion, desire or workrate to prevent him from being damn near white washed by Calzaghe.

joseph5620
10-11-2011, 12:18 PM
Don't you just find that pathetic? That Chad Dawson's quality of wins will be better than a future HOF'er's?
Beating Tarver twice is certainly better than beating the Jones Jr Calzaghe fought.

Beating Glen Johnson twice is most definitely better than beating Jeff Lacy.

Beating Adamek is equal if not better than beating Kessler.

And Hopkins 43 and Hopkins 46 are round about the same.

I would say that his other 'decent' wins like Richie Woodhall and Robin Reid are not much better than Dawson's win over Diaconu or some of his other bogus title defences.

Dawson is miles away from the HOF though. Don't you think?

I don't consider him to be near the conversation personally.

Yet, Calzaghe is First Ballot. Or atleast he will be.

It really is. I've always admired Calzaghe's skills but his resume is seriously lacking when he's talked about as an ATG. And yes, Dawson's resume is not HOF material or even close right now.

RubenSonny
10-11-2011, 12:30 PM
Its well known here I dont care for Calzaghe but lets be real he'd maul Chad Dawson. No way Dawson beats him, not enough energy, passion, desire or workrate to prevent him from being damn near white washed by Calzaghe.

Dawson wouldn't get whitewashed, Calzaghe didn't whitewash Kessler, Reid or Hopkins.

Welsh Jon
10-11-2011, 07:50 PM
Yep some of these answers made me remember why I try to avoid Calzaghe discussions in message boards. Some of these replies are just ridiculous.

I understand people thinking Dawson would win, but he has done nothing to suggest he would win by a shut out. Seriously that answer is just stupid. And more than 1 person gave it.

The hatred for Calzaghe depresses me a little.

I blame myself though, I shouldn't have started this thread.

Scott9945
10-11-2011, 10:01 PM
Yep some of these answers made me remember why I try to avoid Calzaghe discussions in message boards. Some of these replies are just ridiculous.

I understand people thinking Dawson would win, but he has done nothing to suggest he would win by a shut out. Seriously that answer is just stupid. And more than 1 person gave it.

The hatred for Calzaghe depresses me a little.

I blame myself though, I shouldn't have started this thread.


Right now there are about 4 different threads here with Calzaghe's name in them. That's part of the problem.

DarkTerror88
10-11-2011, 10:33 PM
I'm going to hold off until after his fight with Nard, but I don't think Chad can keep Joe off him for long without being worn out. I'll say for sure after the 15th

CiganoBoxer
10-12-2011, 03:54 AM
Its well known here I dont care for Calzaghe but lets be real he'd maul Chad Dawson. No way Dawson beats him, not enough energy, passion, desire or workrate to prevent him from being damn near white washed by Calzaghe.END OF THREAD RIGHT THERE :boxing: