View Full Version : Toney/McCallum I: Similar fights?


Turbo B
10-09-2011, 04:58 AM
Iím looking for fights that are similar to their fist meeting.

Fast paced, technical, very competitive.

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TIA. :)

Everywhere
10-09-2011, 08:12 AM
Fights involving one of them specifically? Or just good technical fights in general?

Turbo B
10-09-2011, 10:00 AM
Fights involving one of them specifically? Or just good technical fights in general?

Any fighter, not just them.

Cheers.

crold1
10-09-2011, 10:18 AM
Any fighter, not just them.

Cheers.

Leonard-Benitez
Whitaker-McGirt (I or II but especially I)
Mosley-De La Hoya I
McCallum-Kalambay (both)

Those are personal faves in my lifetime. :)

#1Assassin
10-09-2011, 10:24 AM
mccallum-curry is my favorite fight ever, very fast paced technical chessgame with a sweet finish.

hearns-hill also fits your criteria, not fought in as many areas of the game, mainly a long range jabbing contest with both men trying to control range and set up the right hand. but its two of the best jabbers/long range fighters ever doing so.

de la hoya-quartey.

Pastrano
10-09-2011, 10:41 AM
1989 McCallum beats Toney on almost any day/night.

joseph5620
10-09-2011, 12:47 PM
Leonard-Benitez
Whitaker-McGirt (I or II but especially I)
Mosley-De La Hoya I
McCallum-Kalambay (both)

Those are personal faves in my lifetime. :)

The first fight was one of my favorites as well. In the rematch Whitaker really beat up McGirt.

goblin213
10-09-2011, 01:00 PM
Marquez vs Barrera
Charles vs Johnson
Curry vs Starling
Tiger vs Giardello IV
Saldivar vs Shibata

crold1
10-09-2011, 01:11 PM
The first fight was one of my favorites as well. In the rematch Whitaker really beat up McGirt.

Late he did, but he had to get off the floor twice and it's really a great fight.

Turbo B
10-09-2011, 04:16 PM
Just watched Whitaker/McGirt I, and heard Merchant describe it as ***8216;violent chess***8217;; that***8217;s a pretty good way of phrasing what I was looking for.

Seen a few of the others, I***8217;ll be sure to watch the rest of them. Thanks!

joseph5620
10-09-2011, 04:45 PM
Late he did, but he had to get off the floor twice and it's really a great fight.

Yes, that's correct. I thought it was a very entertaining fight and Whitaker did have a very tough fight early.

crold1
10-09-2011, 05:08 PM
Just watched Whitaker/McGirt I, and heard Merchant describe it as Ďviolent chessí; thatís a pretty good way of phrasing what I was looking for.

Seen a few of the others, Iíll be sure to watch the rest of them. Thanks!

Also recommend the Toney-Mccallum rematches. Even III; Considering how much Toney still had, and the loss Mike was coming off of v. Roy, it's a remarkable fight with both guys throwing loads.

SCtrojansbaby
10-09-2011, 08:38 PM
Carl Froch vs Mikkel Kessler
Ricardo Lopez vs Rosendo Alvarez
Jermaine Taylor vs Winky Wright

#1Assassin
10-10-2011, 08:37 AM
Carl Froch vs Mikkel KesslerRicardo Lopez vs Rosendo Alvarez
Jermaine Taylor vs Winky Wright

those are terrible picks.

froch-kessler was fought at a very low skill level considering the stage. kessler fights in straight lines, froch has plain bad technique and both have close to no defense. neither made alot of adjustments and it wasnt really a chessmatch at all. it was a fight, kessler just had better fundamentals.

taylor? really? did you just reccomend a jermain taylor fight as a high level chessmatch? jermain was just swinging. it was a skilled and smart veteran (winky) fighting a guy who was physicly superior in every way. winky was boxing smart but not jermain, it wasnt high level skill on his part and damn sure no chessmatch.

SCtrojansbaby
10-10-2011, 07:35 PM
those are terrible picks.

froch-kessler was fought at a very low skill level considering the stage. kessler fights in straight lines, froch has plain bad technique and both have close to no defense. neither made alot of adjustments and it wasnt really a chessmatch at all. it was a fight, kessler just had better fundamentals.

taylor? really? did you just reccomend a jermain taylor fight as a high level chessmatch? jermain was just swinging. it was a skilled and smart veteran (winky) fighting a guy who was physicly superior in every way. winky was boxing smart but not jermain, it wasnt high level skill on his part and damn sure no chessmatch.


I see your point about Taylor, but watch Froch vs Kessler again. Its a great fight fought at a high level you have to watch those guys more often to see there subtle skills(Froch is a really good offensive fighter).

JAB5239
10-11-2011, 04:06 AM
I see your point about Taylor, but watch Froch vs Kessler again. Its a great fight fought at a high level you have to watch those guys more often to see there subtle skills(Froch is a really good offensive fighter).

Froch is a warrior, one of my favorite fighters today, but there is nothing subtle nor technical about the way he fights. The guy doesn't win with skill, he wins with determination and tenacity. Nothing about his fight with Kessler can even be compared to Toney-McCallum. Neither him or Kessler will ever be confused with Wille Pep and they still only managed to muster a paltry 18 (Froch) and 19 (Kessler) percent connect rate averaging 8.2 connects a round (Froch) to Kesslers 12.3 over the 12 rounds. I won't even get into either fighters deficiencies, but by just viewing this recap you can see there are plenty. Not sure about these subtle skills you're talking about but would be interested in some examples. Im confident no objective fan will EVER confuse their skills with that of Toney and McCallum.

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Pastrano
10-11-2011, 08:11 AM
Benitez-Leonard and McGirt-Whitaker I?

SCtrojansbaby
10-11-2011, 12:42 PM
Froch is a warrior, one of my favorite fighters today, but there is nothing subtle nor technical about the way he fights. The guy doesn't win with skill, he wins with determination and tenacity. Nothing about his fight with Kessler can even be compared to Toney-McCallum. Neither him or Kessler will ever be confused with Wille Pep and they still only managed to muster a paltry 18 (Froch) and 19 (Kessler) percent connect rate averaging 8.2 connects a round (Froch) to Kesslers 12.3 over the 12 rounds. I won't even get into either fighters deficiencies, but by just viewing this recap you can see there are plenty. Not sure about these subtle skills you're talking about but would be interested in some examples. Im confident no objective fan will EVER confuse their skills with that of Toney and McCallum.


Watch the way Froch throws the up jab and follows it up with combinations that are accurate and come from awkward angles. Also as much as Froch looks off balance when he throws them he always seems to avoid big counters. Also I thought we were comparing the quality of fight not fighters with equal skill

JAB5239
10-11-2011, 04:30 PM
Watch the way Froch throws the up jab and follows it up with combinations that are accurate and come from awkward angles. Also as much as Froch looks off balance when he throws them he always seems to avoid big counters. Also I thought we were comparing the quality of fight not fighters with equal skill

Sorry man but you're 100% wrong here. The fight was not fought at a high level, it was a high level fight. There is a difference. And as I said earlier there isn't ANYTHING particularly skillful about Froch.

SCtrojansbaby
10-11-2011, 11:22 PM
We'll agree to disagree

wmute
10-12-2011, 09:50 AM
I have never seen a fight like Toney-McCallum 1. The combination of output level and the skill level is unmatched IMO, not on good quality video at least. I enjoyed McGirt vs Pea I, but the pace was slower (and it shoul be faster if anything since we are talking small welters vs middleweights) and Pea was clowning too much. That applies to most of the fights mentioned, which are all great fights.

I like goblin's list, I have never seen watch saldivar-shibata.

Froch-Kessler and Taylor-Wright should not appear in this page.