View Full Version : Recent Kevin Rooney interview about Mike Tyson


BKM-2010
10-01-2011, 05:40 PM
http://www.tysontalk.com/article720.html

Talks a lot about how hard Tyson hit, says he would have been the greatest if he stuck with him etc.

New England
10-01-2011, 07:19 PM
"I don’t remember the guy’s name. I believe he was being paid $400 a week. This was in the early 80***8242;s. The guy gets into the ring [laughs]. Bell rings, Mike comes out, bop, bop, bop. Mike throws combinations. He put his hands up, like, Hold it. He steps out of the ring over the top rope – he was big, like 6-4, 6-5 – and walks out of the front door. Didn’t look for his pay, just gone. We’re all like, what’s happening?! He wanted nothing to do with Mike. He just left. It was funny"


i pulled this out of there


i cant get to reading the whole thing now but that first part had me rolling



that guy knew what was good for him evidently.

TAC602
10-01-2011, 09:33 PM
"When I had Mike we were in training camp for five weeks. Back then I used to run 3-4 miles with him just to make sure he was doing it. And then we***8217;d go to the gym. And then we***8217;d go to a health club at night. Then we***8217;d go do bed. When he was with me there was no partying. There was no, well I worked hard, I***8217;m gonna go have a few drinks and try to pick up a girl. That never happened. Hey Mike, guess what? We got a title to defend and you gotta be in tip-top shape. So that Mike Tyson, if he didn***8217;t cross channels and went with Don King, he would have gone down as the greatest heavyweight in history. Now people are talking, ah, he***8217;s nothing. But that***8217;s not true.***8221;

:beerchug:

catskills23
10-01-2011, 09:58 PM
He is right about Tyson . Tyson had it all unnatural handspeed and power and elusive as any fighter and possessed boxing skills beyond any heavyweight . While Muhhammed Ali might of being faster and George Foreman might have hit harder they could only dream of posessing Tysons technique and boxing skill a facet of Tyson that is always overlooked. He really was special and really was a gift from the boxing gods . The only weakness that he had was his short reach but he was so fast, so powerfulll and so skilled that it didnt seem to matter . He was to boxing what Marradona was to soccer. Just genius.

TAC602
10-01-2011, 11:48 PM
He is right about Tyson . Tyson had it all unnatural handspeed and power and elusive as any fighter and possessed boxing skills beyond any heavyweight . While Muhhammed Ali might of being faster and George Foreman might have hit harder they could only dream of posessing Tysons technique and boxing skill a facet of Tyson that is always overlooked. He really was special and really was a gift from the boxing gods . The only weakness that he had was his short reach but he was so fast, so powerfulll and so skilled that it didnt seem to matter . He was to boxing what Marradona was to soccer. Just genius.

Tyson's power and hand speed alone could give any other all-time great some difficulty, combined with the fact that he was absolutely great defensively. It's interesting to read how many people have numerous fighters rolling over him with ease. For all the talk of what he couldve or may have been, I'd say his accomplishments are actually quite impressive. He basically built a HOF career by the time he was 23 years old. He's third all-time in 1st round KOs within the division, Top 3 in WBA defenses (post-1921), Top 5 in WBC defenses (post-1963). That is, over an individual reign. He was an undisputed champion and individually unified three belts. It wasn't close to being a situation where he became undisputed and prompty lost, or was stripped or vacated.

Tyson w/ Rooney and Tyson post-Rooney are two completely different fighters. And Tyson really went off the edge from a personal standpoint after that split. I still believe he looked pretty good in the Bruno fight and Ruddock I & II. Being incarcerated for several years obviously had a bigger impact than any other, but splitting w/ Rooney and running with King are easily second.

Capaedia
10-02-2011, 12:30 AM
Coulda shoulda woulda.

Just speculation about another boxer who didn't live up to his full potential.

Scott9945
10-02-2011, 02:15 AM
Tyson's power and hand speed alone could give any other all-time great some difficulty, combined with the fact that he was absolutely great defensively. It's interesting to read how many people have numerous fighters rolling over him with ease. For all the talk of what he couldve or may have been, I'd say his accomplishments are actually quite impressive. He basically built a HOF career by the time he was 23 years old. He's third all-time in 1st round KOs within the division, Top 3 in WBA defenses (post-1921), Top 5 in WBC defenses (post-1963). That is, over an individual reign. He was an undisputed champion and individually unified three belts. It wasn't close to being a situation where he became undisputed and prompty lost, or was stripped or vacated.

Tyson w/ Rooney and Tyson post-Rooney are two completely different fighters. And Tyson really went off the edge from a personal standpoint after that split. I still believe he looked pretty good in the Bruno fight and Ruddock I & II. Being incarcerated for several years obviously had a bigger impact than any other, but splitting w/ Rooney and running with King are easily second.


Tyson was great defensively for about 2-3 rounds. After that he would stand straight up with considerably less head movement. Check and see if you don't believe me.

Monte Fisto
10-02-2011, 02:53 AM
Coulda shoulda woulda.

Just speculation about another boxer who didn't live up to his full potential.Exactly. Everyone is saying how Tyson had all this natural ability and if this person and that person didn't come into Tyson's life he could've been the best ever, blah, blah..

The fact of the matter is, Tyson had unbelievable talent, but, was weak-minded. His weak mind is what led him to his downfall, personally & professionally. Like the great Ali once said " the will must be greater than the skill " There's alot of truth in that Ali quote, and ultimately, that's what separates the greats from the good to mediocre fighters.

TAC602
10-02-2011, 06:31 AM
Tyson was great defensively for about 2-3 rounds. After that he would stand straight up with considerably less head movement. Check and see if you don't believe me.

When his fights would go past a few rounds, yeah, it would become lost on him. I'm not putting it up there with his power and hand speed - which were on another level - but I think it was a nice compliment to his swarming style and saved him from taking a few unnecessary blows that are bound to happen in order for him to get inside and go to work. If you're talking about post-Rooney, then it couldn't be more correct. Throw in a total lack combos and anything resembling decent footwork as well.

I remember reading Mike saying his best fight or fight he likes the most being the first with Frank Bruno. Took me a second to put my finger on it before realizing this was also his first fight w/o Rooney, and I'd imagine his training habits had already started to come off the rails, but he survived it on talent and power alone. It's been a few years since I've actually watched that fight, but I recall Bruno buckling him pretty good.

Rooney obviously thinks rather highly of himself, but there's little to question about Tyson's desire and conditioning for the time he was under him: 35-0, 31 KOs, Undisputed HW Champion.

SBleeder
10-02-2011, 09:54 AM
Have another drink Kevin. Tyson never had GOAT potential.

IronBoxer
10-02-2011, 12:01 PM
Completely agree with Rooney. He's one of the few trainers who cares about the fighters as opposed to filling his pocket with money. Had Tyson stuck with him, he would have never been sent to jail, would have likely retired undefeated and been proclaimed boxing's GOAT above Ali and others.

Scott9945
10-02-2011, 12:25 PM
Completely agree with Rooney. He's one of the few trainers who cares about the fighters as opposed to filling his pocket with money. Had Tyson stuck with him, he would have never been sent to jail, would have likely retired undefeated and been proclaimed boxing's GOAT above Ali and others.


Believe me, Rooney missed the money more than he missed Mike Tyson.

BKM-2010
10-02-2011, 12:47 PM
Believe me, Rooney missed the money more than he missed Mike Tyson.

Sure, lets believe you, a man who was there during Tyson's time with the entire Catskills team.

Scott9945
10-02-2011, 01:10 PM
Sure, lets believe you, a man who was there during Tyson's time with the entire Catskills team.


Yeah, I'm sure Rooney didn't notice the difference when those six figure paychecks stopped coming in.

joseph5620
10-02-2011, 01:14 PM
Believe me, Rooney missed the money more than he missed Mike Tyson.

^^^^ This. Anybody who believes the money wasn't important to Rooney is just being ignorant.

BKM-2010
10-02-2011, 01:58 PM
Yeah, I'm sure Rooney didn't notice the difference when those six figure paychecks stopped coming in.

Your assumptions are only facts in your own delusional mind. Obviously Rooney would love the money too as any normal person would(and I wouldn''t be able to understand someone criticizing him for it as they would most likely be hypocrites), but don't act like he didn't actually care about Mike Tyson himself either because of that. So again, the only way you can know for sure is if you knew these people personally and you were there back then as well, which you weren't so have some more class.

TAC602
10-02-2011, 02:06 PM
Your assumptions are only facts in your own delusional mind. Obviously Rooney would love the money too as any normal person would(and I wouldn''t be able to understand someone criticizing him for it as they would most likely be hypocrites), but don't act like he didn't actually care about Mike Tyson himself either because of that. So again, the only way you can know for sure is if you knew these people personally and you were there back then as well, which you weren't so have some more class.

Of course, money has a lot to do with it. He also did his job to earn it. Something nobody after him did in the slightest. Rooney had plenty of motivation to keep Tyson on top: money, legacy and the fact that he'd known him personally since his early teens. It's puzzling to me why people speak of Tyson's 'potential' and what he threw away as if he never became a champion, or an undisputed champion at that, with multiple defenses. There's a lot he didn't do, a lot more he could've done, and a lot he lost that affects his legacy. All of that withstanding, he still put together a great career, however brief.

Kid McCoy
10-02-2011, 02:22 PM
Yeah, I'm sure Rooney didn't notice the difference when those six figure paychecks stopped coming in.

I wouldn't be surprised. Rooney went through money almost as fast as Tyson did. At one point he owed about $500,000 to a few casinos.

IronBoxer
10-02-2011, 03:04 PM
^^^^ This. Anybody who believes the money wasn't important to Rooney is just being ignorant.

Don King really cares about the fighters too...right?

Scott9945
10-02-2011, 03:15 PM
Your assumptions are only facts in your own delusional mind. Obviously Rooney would love the money too as any normal person would(and I wouldn''t be able to understand someone criticizing him for it as they would most likely be hypocrites), but don't act like he didn't actually care about Mike Tyson himself either because of that. So again, the only way you can know for sure is if you knew these people personally and you were there back then as well, which you weren't so have some more class.

I never said that was a fact, just an opinion. You can pretend that Rooney wasn't (isn't?) a degenerate gambler and an alcoholic. I know better. And this is a boxing message board which is always going to be full of speculation. That's why nobody has ever sued me.

This is a reminder to me that even after all those years, there are boxing fans and there are Tyson fans.

BKM-2010
10-02-2011, 04:49 PM
[I][B][FONT=Arial]I never said that was a fact, just an opinion.

If you claim Rooney cared more about money than about Tyson himself then you have to either prove your claim or retract your statement. That's not an opinion. You should learn the diffirence between an opinion and a fact.


You can pretend that Rooney wasn't (isn't?) a degenerate gambler and an alcoholic. I know better. And this is a boxing message board which is always going to be full of speculation. That's why nobody has ever sued me.

Rooney having addictions doesn't prove your claim at all. Rooney has always talked about how much he cared about Tyson, so I'm willing to believe him and everybody else who was actually around them that said the same thing, instead of you just because you said "believe me".

This is a reminder to me that even after all those years, there are boxing fans and there are Tyson fans

I'm a Lewis fan first and foremost, but nice try at trying to label me some kind of nuthugger of a certain fighter. You aren't the first one to try and fail at that, though.

Scott9945
10-02-2011, 04:57 PM
If you claim Rooney cared more about money than about Tyson himself then you have to either prove your claim or retract your statement. That's not an opinion. You should learn the diffirence between an opinion and a fact.

How can anyone possibly prove for a fact that someone else cared more about money than a person's well being? Be reasonable. This is a boxing message board, not a court of law. So I retract nothing and offer no apologies.

joseph5620
10-02-2011, 05:44 PM
How can anyone possibly prove for a fact that someone else cared more about money than a person's well being? Be reasonable. This is a boxing message board, not a court of law. So I retract nothing and offer no apologies.

:lol1::lol1: Right. Unless he can prove for a fact that Rooney cared more about Tyson than the money.

TAC602
10-02-2011, 06:29 PM
I never said that was a fact, just an opinion. You can pretend that Rooney wasn't (isn't?) a degenerate gambler and an alcoholic. I know better. And this is a boxing message board which is always going to be full of speculation. That's why nobody has ever sued me.

This is a reminder to me that even after all those years, there are boxing fans and there are Tyson fans.



I'm actually partial to swarmers in general, particularly in the heavyweight division. I like Frazier, Marciano and Dempsey about the same as I do Tyson for the most part. He's the fastest and most powerful of the group, visually and not strictly relative to era and a massively entertaining fighter in his prime. I can see why people become irritated with a portion of his fan base, but what's done is done and he won't soon be forgotten.

BKM-2010
10-02-2011, 06:40 PM
[I][B][FONT=Arial]How can anyone possibly prove for a fact that someone else cared more about money than a person's well being?]

Exactly, so why even make an extremely arrogant statement like that in the first place if you''re only offering your own assumptions? You don't understand that a statement like that can get annoyed reactions from people who like the guy? And again, you did not give an opinion. You do not seem to know what an opinion is.

Be reasonable. This is a boxing message board, not a court of law. So I retract nothing and offer no apologies.

You said Rooney cared more about money than about Tyson, then you said believe "BELIEVE ME". I guess in your ideal world nobody should ask you for proof of that, right? Because it just would not be convenient for you if you couldn't make untrue comments without having to back anything up. I guess you put more effort into which color your posts are than actually trying to back up your claims.

Scott9945
10-02-2011, 07:00 PM
Exactly, so why even make an extremely arrogant statement like that in the first place if you''re only offering your own assumptions? You don't understand that a statement like that can get annoyed reactions from people who like the guy? And again, you did not give an opinion. You do not seem to know what an opinion is.



You said Rooney cared more about money than about Tyson, then you said believe "BELIEVE ME". I guess in your ideal world nobody should ask you for proof of that, right? Because it just would not be convenient for you if you couldn't make untrue comments without having to back anything up. I guess you put more effort into which color your posts are than actually trying to back up your claims.

I'm done wasting my time with your irrational arguments on this topic. Once again, you can't prove a persons true motivations. But I'm damn sure that I'm entitled to comment on them here . If you don't think so then you can report my posts to the moderator.

I don't understand what colors you're referring to. All my posts look the same to me. Sorry if I damaged your Catskills fantasies. I'm sure that you're determined to get the last word in, so go ahead...

BKM-2010
10-02-2011, 07:12 PM
I'm done wasting my time with your irrational arguments on this topic. Once again, you can't prove a persons true motivations. But I'm damn sure that I'm entitled to comment on them here . If you don't think so then you can report my posts to the moderator.

I don't understand what colors you're referring to. All my posts look the same to me. Sorry if I damaged your Catskills fantasies. I'm sure that you're determined to get the last word in, so go ahead...

Don't get mad because someone called you out on it. You wanted us to believe you, but your assumptions aren't enough for me to believe Rooney was that evil that he only cared about money. I guess I have "catskills fantasies'' because I believe stories from people who were actually there.

I assure you I won't be able to make dissrespectful assumptions about fighters' lives with no proof, and then be delusional enough to think nobody will have a problem with that here. And I actually wouldn't have had as much of a problem with you if you weren't so blatantly arrogant saying the words "believe me" in your comment and then offering nothing. Get over your Tyson hate bro.

Scott9945
10-02-2011, 07:19 PM
Don't get mad because someone called you out on it. You wanted us to believe you, but your assumptions aren't enough for me to believe Rooney was that evil that he only cared about money. I guess I have "catskills fantasies'' because I believe stories from people who were actually there.

I assure you I won't be able to make dissrespectful assumptions about fighters' lives with no proof, and then be delusional enough to think nobody will have a problem with that here. And I actually wouldn't have had as much of a problem with you if you weren't so blatantly arrogant saying the words "believe me" in your comment and then offering nothing. Get over your Tyson hate bro.


Obviously it escapes you that the expression "believe me" is just a figure of speech. But apparently for some reason it tripped your wire.

And I've never hated Tyson. Just his fans.

IronBoxer
10-02-2011, 07:53 PM
I've always been Tyson fan but never a nuthugger.

WesleySnipes
10-02-2011, 08:06 PM
I've always been Tyson fan but never a nuthugger.

holy moly...what a BOMBASTIC booty o.O

IronBoxer
10-02-2011, 09:02 PM
holy moly...what a BOMBASTIC booty o.O

CalmDown also has a good one:hitit: too

Turbo B
10-02-2011, 09:46 PM
60/40 -- Money/Rooney’s rapport with Mike.

Even when he got ditched, he still seemed to go out of his way to defend Mike.

Who wouldn’t miss being part of a successful team and making millions?

JAB5239
10-03-2011, 06:07 AM
If you claim Rooney cared more about money than about Tyson himself then you have to either prove your claim or retract your statement. That's not an opinion. You should learn the diffirence between an opinion and a fact.

Can you prove he didn't? No, you can't. And do me a favor, don't ever tell another poster in this section what he has to do.

BennyST
10-03-2011, 07:18 PM
While Rooney would have cared for Mike, you can see in Rooney the slimy seediness and dodgy character. You can't prove someone's feelings but you sure as hell can see what type of person they are through the way they interact, speak, and what they suggest with their personality and Rooney is a dodgy guy.

Mike achieved more than a lot of people like to let on these days, but he's also not as talented as other people make him out to be. Like it or not, talent is largely determination, willpower and heart. You need the first two for training and he clearly had them in spades early on, but even more so you need the latter for a fight that gets rough, tough and throws adversity in your face.

That is a talent. It is arguably a bigger talent than physical gifts. You saw what happened to one of the physically fighters that has ever graced the ring when he got cracked inhumanly hard, and clearly didn't think possible to that point, and suddenly it all went out the window in Macho.

Tyson had weaknesses that were part of his makeup. Stamina, mental fortitude/heart, discipline and a calm mind under fire were things he didn't have in spades. They are massive parts of a fighters talent and without them, there are fighters who will bring them out no matter how well trained.

On Rooney and money: The only reason Rooney still talks about Tyson in such a good light is because it makes Rooney look good. He's clearly a little too insistent in taking all the credit for Mike's unbeaten run and makes sure people know that it was all about him. That to me, is the worst sign of a guy who doesn't truly care about his charge and thinks more about himself and the gains he gets from it. A psychologist would have a textbook field day with Rooney and his self obsessiveness, so yes, money played a bigger part in Rooney missing Tyson than Tyson himself and his needs because money allowed Rooney to do everything he wanted and gratify himself constantly.

Also, anyone that talks about addicts not caring more about themselves than another person clearly has never known an addict of any sort and doesn't understand the psyche behind it. The single most important thing in addiction is self-obsession and the need to gratify whatever habit immediately. If Rooney was an alcoholic and gambler, he cared a lot more about himself than he did Tyson and yes, Tyson was his meal ticket to everything he wanted and needed. Don't delude yourself into fantasies that aren't based in reality.

Scott9945
10-03-2011, 08:53 PM
While Rooney would have cared for Mike, you can see in Rooney the slimy seediness and dodgy character. You can't prove someone's feelings but you sure as hell can see what type of person they are through the way they interact, speak, and what they suggest with their personality and Rooney is a dodgy guy.

Mike achieved more than a lot of people like to let on these days, but he's also not as talented as other people make him out to be. Like it or not, talent is largely determination, willpower and heart. You need the first two for training and he clearly had them in spades early on, but even more so you need the latter for a fight that gets rough, tough and throws adversity in your face.

That is a talent. It is arguably a bigger talent than physical gifts. You saw what happened to one of the physically fighters that has ever graced the ring when he got cracked inhumanly hard, and clearly didn't think possible to that point, and suddenly it all went out the window in Macho.

Tyson had weaknesses that were part of his makeup. Stamina, mental fortitude/heart, discipline and a calm mind under fire were things he didn't have in spades. They are massive parts of a fighters talent and without them, there are fighters who will bring them out no matter how well trained.

On Rooney and money: The only reason Rooney still talks about Tyson in such a good light is because it makes Rooney look good. He's clearly a little too insistent in taking all the credit for Mike's unbeaten run and makes sure people know that it was all about him. That to me, is the worst sign of a guy who doesn't truly care about his charge and thinks more about himself and the gains he gets from it. A psychologist would have a textbook field day with Rooney and his self obsessiveness, so yes, money played a bigger part in Rooney missing Tyson than Tyson himself and his needs because money allowed Rooney to do everything he wanted and gratify himself constantly.

Also, anyone that talks about addicts not caring more about themselves than another person clearly has never known an addict of any sort and doesn't understand the psyche behind it. The single most important thing in addiction is self-obsession and the need to gratify whatever habit immediately. If Rooney was an alcoholic and gambler, he cared a lot more about himself than he did Tyson and yes, Tyson was his meal ticket to everything he wanted and needed. Don't delude yourself into fantasies that aren't based in reality.


Awesome post Benny. Please don't be so scarce around here. :)

JAB5239
10-03-2011, 10:34 PM
While Rooney would have cared for Mike, you can see in Rooney the slimy seediness and dodgy character. You can't prove someone's feelings but you sure as hell can see what type of person they are through the way they interact, speak, and what they suggest with their personality and Rooney is a dodgy guy.

Mike achieved more than a lot of people like to let on these days, but he's also not as talented as other people make him out to be. Like it or not, talent is largely determination, willpower and heart. You need the first two for training and he clearly had them in spades early on, but even more so you need the latter for a fight that gets rough, tough and throws adversity in your face.

That is a talent. It is arguably a bigger talent than physical gifts. You saw what happened to one of the physically fighters that has ever graced the ring when he got cracked inhumanly hard, and clearly didn't think possible to that point, and suddenly it all went out the window in Macho.

Tyson had weaknesses that were part of his makeup. Stamina, mental fortitude/heart, discipline and a calm mind under fire were things he didn't have in spades. They are massive parts of a fighters talent and without them, there are fighters who will bring them out no matter how well trained.

On Rooney and money: The only reason Rooney still talks about Tyson in such a good light is because it makes Rooney look good. He's clearly a little too insistent in taking all the credit for Mike's unbeaten run and makes sure people know that it was all about him. That to me, is the worst sign of a guy who doesn't truly care about his charge and thinks more about himself and the gains he gets from it. A psychologist would have a textbook field day with Rooney and his self obsessiveness, so yes, money played a bigger part in Rooney missing Tyson than Tyson himself and his needs because money allowed Rooney to do everything he wanted and gratify himself constantly.

Also, anyone that talks about addicts not caring more about themselves than another person clearly has never known an addict of any sort and doesn't understand the psyche behind it. The single most important thing in addiction is self-obsession and the need to gratify whatever habit immediately. If Rooney was an alcoholic and gambler, he cared a lot more about himself than he did Tyson and yes, Tyson was his meal ticket to everything he wanted and needed. Don't delude yourself into fantasies that aren't based in reality.

Excellent post and great point about addicts caring more about themselves than anyone else.

BKM-2010
10-04-2011, 12:39 PM
Can you prove he didn't? No, you can't. And do me a favor, don't ever tell another poster in this section what he has to do.

lol is that a threat? How ironic too.

And yeah I guess I can just make any claims about any fighter and respond with "I can't prove this to be true, but you can't prove this to be false either!".

joseph5620
10-04-2011, 01:02 PM
lol is that a threat? How ironic too.

And yeah I guess I can just make any claims about any fighter and respond with "I can't prove this to be true, but you can't prove this to be false either!".

The point is you can't prove what you're saying is true any more than anybody else. Hold yourself to the same standards you're trying to use for everybody else or give it up.


Don't pretend that you haven't made ridiculous claims about fighters. Lamon Brewster the closest thing to Joe Frazier in the last 20 years sound familiar? Good luck "proving" that one as a fact.

Miburo
10-04-2011, 02:34 PM
They talk too much about the Ali match-up like it would be the most challenging. No form of Tyson, even at max potential, is ever beating prime Foreman.

BKM-2010
10-04-2011, 03:44 PM
The point is you can't prove what you're saying is true any more than anybody else. Hold yourself to the same standards you're trying to use for everybody else or give it up.

The point is that I'm not claiming anything, it is common knowledge. It's not just me who is saying Rooney cared for Tyson, it's everybody that knew both men. Scott is the one making the claim, in this case confidently saying Rooney cared more about money than about Tyson. And he completely failed to prove that.

It's common knowledge that Joe Louis did great things for his country right? What if I make some baseless claim about him having to do those things against his will?(just an example) Guess i''ll just say you can''t prove me wrong.


Don't pretend that you haven't made ridiculous claims about fighters. Lamon Brewster the closest thing to Joe Frazier in the last 20 years sound familiar? Good luck "proving" that one as a fact.

Way to go off topic there. If you wanted to go there you should have mentioned how I schooled you again last time and you quit about Foreman in some other thread.

JAB5239
10-04-2011, 05:36 PM
lol is that a threat? How ironic too.

And yeah I guess I can just make any claims about any fighter and respond with "I can't prove this to be true, but you can't prove this to be false either!".

A simple request so Im not forced to start deleting your posts is all it was. Take it however you want.

JAB5239
10-04-2011, 05:37 PM
The point is you can't prove what you're saying is true any more than anybody else. Hold yourself to the same standards you're trying to use for everybody else or give it up.


Don't pretend that you haven't made ridiculous claims about fighters. Lamon Brewster the closest thing to Joe Frazier in the last 20 years sound familiar? Good luck "proving" that one as a fact.

Exactly!!!

joseph5620
10-04-2011, 05:40 PM
The point is that I'm not claiming anything, it is common knowledge. It's not just me who is saying Rooney cared for Tyson, it's everybody that knew both men. Scott is the one making the claim, in this case confidently saying Rooney cared more about money than about Tyson. And he completely failed to prove that.

It's common knowledge that Joe Louis did great things for his country right? What if I make some baseless claim about him having to do those things against his will?(just an example) Guess i''ll just say you can''t prove me wrong.




Way to go off topic there. If you wanted to go there you should have mentioned how I schooled you again last time and you quit about Foreman in some other thread.


Oh you mean the one where you claimed Lyle got the better of Foreman? Yeah you really "schooled me" with that one :lol1:

joseph5620
10-04-2011, 06:31 PM
I know I went overboard against Scott. I should save that kind of responding against instigators like Joseph and Poet.

And you'll get your ass handed to you again and disappear for a while like you always do. You won't respond with anything towards me, Lamon Frazier.

joseph5620
10-04-2011, 07:00 PM
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=502907&highlight=lyle+foreman&page=5

This is our last 1 on 1. After I schooled you you quit responding and gave up like you always do. Haha how ironic after you said the same about me. Oh Joseph, trolling aint easy.

So you post a thread where you're convinced that Lyle outslugged Foreman:lol1:? Yeah, it looks just as dumb as it did the first time you posted it. Good to see you're still delusional enough to think you were correct. Thanks for the laugh. Foreman knocked Lyle out. Lyle didn't outslug Foreman. Lyle didn't come out on top. That was not prime Foreman for that fight. End of story. Where are your "facts" to dispute this? Oh, nevermind. You think Ali beat Foreman by slugging it out with him.


Now come up with something else interesting and funny. You can start with your ridiculous comparison of Lamon Brewster to Joe Frazier.

Ziggy Stardust
10-04-2011, 08:06 PM
So you post a thread where you're convinced that Lyle outslugged Foreman:lol1:? Yeah, it looks just as dumb as it did the first time you posted it. Good to see you're still delusional enough to think you were correct. Thanks for the laugh. Foreman knocked Lyle out. Lyle didn't outslug Foreman. Lyle didn't come out on top. That was not prime Foreman for that fight. End of story. Where are your "facts" to dispute this? Oh, nevermind. You think Ali beat Foreman by slugging it out with him.


Now come up with something else interesting and funny. You can start with your ridiculous comparison of Lamon Brewster to Joe Frazier.

He should stick to MMA.....
Poet

Scott9945
10-04-2011, 10:54 PM
The point is that I'm not claiming anything, it is common knowledge. It's not just me who is saying Rooney cared for Tyson, it's everybody that knew both men. Scott is the one making the claim, in this case confidently saying Rooney cared more about money than about Tyson. And he completely failed to prove that.

It was just a ****ing opinion. Everyone got that except you. :pat:

BKM-2010
10-05-2011, 04:27 AM
So you delete my posts now yet you let Joseph's trolling posts stay Jab? I don't know why i bother arguing with your FRIENDS here since you start helping them out instead of deleting it from both sides.

JAB5239
10-05-2011, 11:43 AM
So you delete my posts now yet you let Joseph's trolling posts stay Jab? I don't know why i bother arguing with your FRIENDS here since you start helping them out instead of deleting it from both sides.

"I should save that kind of responding against instigators like Joseph and Poet."

You started it by being a punk with the quoted response so your trolling posts got deleted. I'll be happy to let you talk boxing, but keep the crap up and you'll be bounced out of here. I apologize if you don't like the way I moderate, I haven't met someone who likes to stir the pot likes it yet.

JAB5239
10-05-2011, 02:37 PM
Actually I didn''t start it here, Joseph did first. I'm not gonna sit back every time a troll attacks me. In Scott's instance I started it but not with the other 2 so if you're gonna delete my flaming posts then why not do the same with your buddies? But my track record in this section is clean and I contribute all the time anyway so whatever.

Your track record here isn't quite as spotless as you would have us believe. But you worry about posting and following the rules. I'll worry about moderating and we should get along just fine.

JAB5239
10-06-2011, 06:23 AM
Hey Scott just a thought here, are you Joseph and JAB the same person?

Do our writing styles seem similar? Kind of a strange question man. But the answer is no. We have many differing opinions but have known one another from different forums and e-mail for quite a few years. What brought that on?

SBleeder
10-06-2011, 08:54 AM
The point is that I'm not claiming anything, it is common knowledge. It's not just me who is saying Rooney cared for Tyson, it's everybody that knew both men. Scott is the one making the claim, in this case confidently saying Rooney cared more about money than about Tyson. And he completely failed to prove that.

I will believe the story that makes the most sense, not the story that happens to have more people subscribing to it. I certainly realize that "hear no evil about The One" is a commandment for the Tyson Nuthugger Club, but it's pretty plain to see that Rooney had his own interests first.

And fyi, I think that anyone with "mma" as part of their user name has already lost a certain measure of credibility.

Ziggy Stardust
10-06-2011, 11:24 AM
Hey Scott just a thought here, are you Joseph and JAB the same person?

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee91/van_the_baron/Decorated%20images/facepalm.jpg

Scott9945
10-06-2011, 12:12 PM
Hey Scott just a thought here, are you Joseph and JAB the same person?

Obviously...:banana:

And isn't that actually a question rather than a thought?

joseph5620
10-06-2011, 01:35 PM
Hey Scott just a thought here, are you Joseph and JAB the same person?

:lol1::lol1:

joseph5620
10-06-2011, 01:39 PM
Do our writing styles seem similar? Kind of a strange question man. But the answer is no. We have many differing opinions but have known one another from different forums and e-mail for quite a few years. What brought that on?

He obviously missed our AOL Ali/Louis battles :lol1:

Scott9945
10-06-2011, 02:31 PM
He obviously missed our AOL Ali/Louis battles :lol1:

Or that Jab and I strongly disagree about our current heavyweight titleholders.

JAB5239
10-06-2011, 03:25 PM
Or that Jab and I strongly disagree about our current heavyweight titleholders.

Or the outcome to Taylor-Chavez. How Mayweather chooses his opponents between me and Joe. We've posted so long together we really dont have much left to disagree about, and when we do we more or less keep it to ourselves because we have an understabding of how each other think. And because we have a mutual respect we must all be the same person. Go figure.

Forza
10-06-2011, 09:33 PM
Rooney is a delusional alcoholic and tyson doesn't even crack top 50 ATG heavys. How much was he paid for that paragraph? He never says anything good about tyson, then again there isn't anything good to say about him especially coming from rooney's perspective.

I agree with scott for once. There are boxing fans, and there are tyson fans. Know the difference.

kendom
10-07-2011, 12:14 PM
Rooney is a delusional alcoholic and tyson doesn't even crack top 50 ATG heavys. How much was he paid for that paragraph? He never says anything good about tyson, then again there isn't anything good to say about him especially coming from rooney's perspective.

I agree with scott for once. There are boxing fans, and there are tyson fans. Know the difference.

That's a ridiculous statement, name me 50 heavyweights who should be ranked ahead of Tyson

Ziggy Stardust
10-07-2011, 12:41 PM
That's a ridiculous statement, name me 50 heavyweights who should be ranked ahead of Tyson

I'm sure he means 49 white Heavyweights :rolleyes9:

Poet

kendom
10-07-2011, 01:35 PM
I'm sure he means 49 white Heavyweights :rolleyes9:

Poet

:rofl: I can't understand such irrational hatred

Ziggy Stardust
10-07-2011, 01:42 PM
:rofl: I can't understand such irrational hatred

It's no shock he's perpetually red.

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
10-07-2011, 02:01 PM
Lol, silence Poet - you DKSAB - everybody on here knows that. . . You don't understand the subtle subjectiveness of the sport. . . You are unable to, as the tagline of American Beauty says, "look closer". . . .

Understand the subtle subjectiveness of ,,!,,

Scott9945
10-07-2011, 04:36 PM
also, like george w. bush, you censor your wall. . . on boxingscene! LOL - who does that?!

George Bush has a Boxingscene account? The reference seems to have gone over my head. :dunno:

Ziggy Stardust
10-07-2011, 04:41 PM
George Bush has a Boxingscene account? The reference seems to have gone over my head. :dunno:

He's just a narcissistic attention-whore. He's been shamelessly begging me to put him on my "Oxygen Thief" list for the better part of two months.....I just refuse to give him the attention he so desperately craves usually.

Poet

Scott9945
10-07-2011, 06:11 PM
He's just a narcissistic attention-whore. He's been shamelessly begging me to put him on my "Oxygen Thief" list for the better part of two months.....I just refuse to give him the attention he so desperately craves usually.

Poet

Any room on that list for my racist mate FenechJeff?

Ziggy Stardust
10-07-2011, 06:16 PM
Any room on that list for my racist mate FenechJeff?

Oh I've had him earmarked for it.....I was just waiting to figure out whose alt he is :chuckle9:

Poet

JAB5239
10-07-2011, 06:56 PM
Oh I've had him earmarked for it.....I was just waiting to figure out whose alt he is :chuckle9:

Poet

You have Fenech on the wrong list as he is now history in this section.

Ziggy Stardust
10-07-2011, 06:58 PM
You have Fenech on the wrong list as he is now history in this section.

I'll be glad to change him :smug9:

Poet

Scott9945
10-07-2011, 07:05 PM
You have Fenech on the wrong list as he is now history in this section.


:Flush: :wave: :headbang:

JAB5239
10-07-2011, 07:20 PM
I'll be glad to change him :smug9:

Poet

:Flush: :wave: :headbang:

Just to clarify...I have requested a ban from this section for him. Regardless if that happens or not any and all posts of his will be deleted so to the regulars I would say to not even bother responding. His posts won't be around long enough get into any kind of conversation if I can help it.

Ziggy Stardust
10-07-2011, 07:45 PM
Just to clarify...I have requested a ban from this section for him. Regardless if that happens or not any and all posts of his will be deleted so to the regulars I would say to not even bother responding. His posts won't be around long enough get into any kind of conversation if I can help it.

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Forza
10-07-2011, 09:14 PM
I'm not racist, my favorite HW in history is black and hardly cracks top 20 atg HW

I just dislike tyson and think he is way overrated

Capaedia
10-07-2011, 10:31 PM
And can you name 50 heavyweights better than him?

I can name 10-12, but not even top 50? Come on.

Ziggy Stardust
10-07-2011, 11:51 PM
I'm not racist, my favorite HW in history is black and hardly cracks top 20 atg HW

I just dislike tyson and think he is way overrated

And he's banned :rofl9: Probably for his posts in the following thread:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11265666#post11265666

JAB5239
10-08-2011, 04:30 AM
And he's banned :rofl9: Probably for his posts in the following thread:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11265666#post11265666

As they say, "**** happens" and "karma's a *****". :dunno: