View Full Version : Still don't think Rashad or Machida do any better then Rampage or Shogun...


$BloodyNate$
09-27-2011, 12:45 PM
Rampage did alot better then all of you thought. I told you he's strong in the clinch so Jones wasn't gonna outmuscle him. His striking defense has always been world class since coming to the UFC he never takes alot of punishment, he blocked the majority of Jones strikes.

But with that being said, Machida & Rashad are easier then Rampage & Shogun in my opinion. Jones reach is absolutely ridiculous not to mention hes such a well rounded versatile striker. Machida gets it the worse IMO Bones will do the exact same thing Shogun did but easier. I know good footwork is good against tall fighters but Shogun showed you can neutralize him with kicks and Jones don't even have to be half as aggressive as Shogun. He could just kick him all day. Not to mention Machida ALWAYS keeps his hands low and chin down. Just cant see him rushing in and out with out getting hurt.

Rashad too, Jones will just do the exact same thing Machida did against him. Don't play Rashad's game, let him be the one thats aggressive and pick him apart. All Rashad can do is try to wrestle which will be hard as **** with Jones reach Jones can keep a safe distance all night long.

Bottomline: I think you need to be able to take somes shot to land your own to be able to catch Jones with something big and Machida & Rashad are fragile as hell with not great defense. Thiago & Rampage both hurt Rashad badly. Tito even got some licks in.

Rampage, Shogun and Hendo I think have the best chance until Jones goes to heavyweight. Solid chins, great power.

Virgil Caine
09-27-2011, 02:01 PM
Styles make fights, and also Shogun was clearly not at his best when they fought, by a fair bit.

And for the record, I was one of the ones saying that Rampage has a shot, that he wouldn't be out-muscled, that he had the experience to maybe test Jones in some areas, and that Jones is overrated because people think he's unbeatable.

F l i c k e r
09-27-2011, 03:42 PM
I think Rashad and Machida would both do better than Rampage and Shogun.


Due to the simple fact that both Rampage and Shogun are incredibly stationary targets. They plot forward and stand almost completely still for the most part. Where as Rashad is always moving and Machida is constantly fidgeting around.


I think the movement will give both Rashad and Machida a better shot than Rampage and Shogun.


I think the big issue is. Rashad does a lot of stupid *****. Where as Machida is real tentative. Both of which are big no-no's against a guy with the ability, aggression, and reach of Jones.

Virgil Caine
09-27-2011, 05:02 PM
I guy I've recently seen brought up also, is Feijao, based on his strong kicking and punching ability, aggressiveness, and prodigious takedown defense.

He may have been knocked out by Henderson, but styles make fights, and he would present some interesting looks for Jon Jones.

Virgil Caine
09-27-2011, 05:02 PM
Oh yeah, just an off the beaten track comment, but did anyone else find it pretty sad when Rashad ruined Jon's special night, again?

Jack3d
09-27-2011, 06:50 PM
Rampage just came in there and did his usual winging right hooks and hitting nothing but air and Jones while dominant looked less than impressive. Rampage is just a one dimensional fighter these days and is basically just looking for big money fights so he can cash out. He doesn't want the title and tbh, I don't even think he cares if he wins or not as long as he gets paid.

I think Rashad has a good chance, and Jones must think so too because he's faked an injury twice now to avoid fighting him.

I wasn't blown away by Jones at all, tbh. He still has a lot to prove. But at the same time there doesn't seem like a whole lot of guys who can give him problems.

BKM-2010
09-27-2011, 07:05 PM
Any of those guys can do better than Shogun did. That was one of the most lop sided title fights ever that lasted longer.

MindBat
09-27-2011, 10:36 PM
I believe Machida would be a better challenge. Lyoto hasn't been beat up as much as the other guys. Although, Bones could make it look just as easy beating down Machida as he did the others.

Bones is in a momentum groove right now.

He'll have to make a serious mistake in order to be beaten convincingly.

led
09-28-2011, 09:56 AM
Among the four fighters mentioned I think Machida, because of his elusiveness, would give Jones a challenge. Evans is the easiest fight.

F l i c k e r
09-28-2011, 12:17 PM
Reason why I don't think Machida has a better chance than Evans. Because he is too tentative. I know it's his style but he is not naturally aggressive. Jones will pick that apart. Also add that he doesn't take damage of any kind well. :dunno:


Rashad does better under duress. However, I just think the silly things he does will get him knocked out. Hands down, rolling his shoulders, gyrating like a retard. He'd get bushwhacked doing that stuff.

BKM-2010
09-28-2011, 01:46 PM
Among the four fighters mentioned I think Machida, because of his elusiveness, would give Jones a challenge. Evans is the easiest fight.

There is no way in hell Rashad gets a worse beat down than Rua got. He was as close to a human punching bag you''ll ever see at that level.

Styles wise, Rua is such a piece of cake for Jones it would be wise for his management to never want a rematch against Jones.

If you don't have great takedown defense(Rampage, Machida and Evans all do) you will get a hellacious beating.

MARKBNLV
09-28-2011, 08:50 PM
How would Henderson fair?I think he could beat jones,also Machida if he would pick up his output Jon Jones was hurt and annoyed by the few leg kicks rampage threw.

led
09-28-2011, 09:49 PM
There is no way in hell Rashad gets a worse beat down than Rua got. He was as close to a human punching bag you''ll ever see at that level.

Styles wise, Rua is such a piece of cake for Jones it would be wise for his management to never want a rematch against Jones.

If you don't have great takedown defense(Rampage, Machida and Evans all do) you will get a hellacious beating.

We'll see. Trust me on this, Evans every attempt to takedown, clinch, or to even to take his range has an equal damages from Jones strike.

blaze778
09-28-2011, 10:46 PM
Out of those two, I think Evans has a better chance. People shouldn't take Rashad so lightly. His wrestling, movement, and speed can give Jones issues that he hasn't dealt with yet.

Machida and his style is kind of a wild card in my opinion. He either loses all 5 rounds on the scorecards or he knocks Jones silly. Pretty hard to predict if you ask me.

Although active, Jones does get pretty sloppy with his striking. He gets away with it because he has such a long reach. He relies on distance as does Machida, and 9 times out of 10 that favors the guy with the longer reach.

Machida is a much better counter striker than Jones, closing the distance wouldn't be out of the question as he does very quick on the feet. I'd love to see this match up.

Joeyzagz
09-29-2011, 11:40 AM
Hendo can beat him. He hits him with the Fedor uppercut, its curtains.

F l i c k e r
09-29-2011, 12:56 PM
Hendo can beat him. He hits him with the Fedor uppercut, its curtains.


LOL, his arms are too short. He'll wing punches and get stiff jabbed in the process.


The ***** would look worse than Gomi-Nate. Then when Hendo tries a desperate clinch, he'd get tossed all crazy like Bonner and Hamill did. :lol1: