View Full Version : When did boxing go downhill?


legend_killer
10-26-2005, 11:24 PM
How did the sport of boxing take such a dive from the heights that Mike Tyson had brought it to in the late 80s? For me, it was all about Tyson. The rape allegations against him robbed the sport of its greatest showman. We were then subjected to Buster Douglas losing in pitiful fashion to Tyson's planned opponent, Evander Holyfield. This completely killed the excitement from Douglas' knockout of Tyson in Japan and made it seem like a fluke win.

Tyson's comeback was inspirational and he brought back some flare in the heavyweight division. The first fight against Holyfield was classic and he was beaten by the better man on the night. However, the second fight produced the infamous "ear bite", which revealed to the world how violent boxing can be. This was not a champion overcoming the odds to obtain the ultimate glory. This was an animal losing his temper and viciously assaulting his opponent. It was the darkest day in boxing history and severely damaged the sport up to this day.

Dempsey 1919
10-26-2005, 11:28 PM
i agree. After the demise of tyson in 1990 and 1996, boxing took a very sharp turn downhill. Heavyweight boxing is crap now, and most people don't even know who is the heavyweight champion at this very moment lol!

kapersky
10-27-2005, 12:52 PM
i think from the day lennox lewis retired. i think boxing shined again after holyfield came in scene and later lennix lewis. so maybe earlier 90 and from earlier 2000

Rockin'
10-28-2005, 05:29 PM
Boxings downfall began with the creation of the television and then the many fights that were broadcast during the week.

I know what you are thinking already, tv did not bring about boxings downfall. I watch them on the tube every chance that I get. The television, with the comforts of sitting at home watching killed the local club show.

With the television now showing up to 3 nights of fights on the television in the 1950's the club shows began to take a hit in attendance and gate receipts.

With this, the local fighters began to find it hard to find a place to ply their trade and make a living. The promoters also found it hard to make any money promoting these bouts. But moreover, the general public no longer made pilgrimages to the live bouts opting instead to sit at home and view the bout.

T.V killed the local boxing star!!!!!!

Rockin' :boxing:

fistlegend
10-29-2005, 10:21 AM
nope, tv hyped it up gave it more publicity.

habZ
10-29-2005, 11:06 AM
when boxing promoters signed with HBO and other channels, they took away the writers believing they didnt need them but writers always kept boxing alive.

fistlegend
10-29-2005, 12:33 PM
the heavyweight divison at the moment is very dull and boring, no amount of publicity can make it more interesting, unless another ali or tyson comes along

Dempsey 1919
10-29-2005, 01:40 PM
the heavyweight divison at the moment is very dull and boring, no amount of publicity can make it more interesting, unless another ali or tyson comes along
i agree. even if the fighters now are good there needs to be someone to save the sport. someone special, who can have the potential to be an all-time great. someone, fast, someone pretty. someone like.... muhammad ali! if another ali-type fighter comes along with ali-type personality and charisma, and wins and unifies the hw titles, boxing will be saved and more people would show interest. look at how much people wanted to watch golf when tiger woods came along. boxing needs a phenom like that!

a heavy hitter such as foreman, liston, or tyson will do nicely as well. however, they need to be flayboyant to attract viewers.

fistlegend
10-29-2005, 01:45 PM
i agree. even if the fighters now are good there needs to be someone to save the sport. someone special, who can have the potential to be an all-time great. someone, fast, someone pretty. someone like.... muhammad ali! if another ali-type fighter comes along with ali-type personality and charisma, and wins and unifies the hw titles, boxing will be saved and more people would show interest. look at how much people wanted to watch golf when tiger woods came along. boxing needs a phenom like that!

a heavy hitter such as foreman, liston, or tyson will do nicely as well. however, they need to be flayboyant to attract viewers.

definetly, they have to be like ali, 'i talk to interviewers until their fingers are sore', they have to have ali's pace/speed , his heart and tysons ferocious power and louis's accuracy.

if this came along everyone will get really interested and get into the hype, RESTORE BOXING TO ITS FORMER GLORY

Dempsey 1919
10-29-2005, 02:00 PM
finally, i am getting intelligent replies from intelligent boxing enthusiasts, and not stupid replies bashing me about my intelligence from people like duncanjl. fistlegend, thanks a million!

Linx
10-29-2005, 02:06 PM
Boxing (especially Heavyweights) started to go down hill when other sports such as Football (American, Soccer, AFL, Rugby), Basketball, Baseball, etc started to get paid much more than boxing/boxers. Parents would rather have their kids play a "safer" sport than boxing and also star athletes who may have become great boxers, could have been drawn to another sport. This is why the Heavyweight division is so **** right now because all the talent for big guys are drawn away from this sport.

fistlegend
10-29-2005, 02:41 PM
hmm yes true, but alot of people from the 'ghettos'[which were alot of black boxers come from] are not good at football or any other sport come to boxing, because it relies on them to survive, which is what they have been doing all their life in the ghettos, they won't be stuck up or have 'pride' so they will have the heart, like joe frazier who came from the ghettos.

habZ
10-29-2005, 03:23 PM
All the big guys are drawn into football or basketball.

fistlegend
10-29-2005, 03:27 PM
true, but most of the black boxers are either from ghettos or are school dropouts

ceboxer15
10-29-2005, 09:01 PM
the heavyweight divison at the moment is very dull and boring, no amount of publicity can make it more interesting, unless another ali or tyson comes along

we may and may not see another tyson, but there is no way that we'll see another ali. ali was too great, too fast, and was very funny. a fighter like that is a very rare one, hopefully in the near future we'll see one.

Linx
10-29-2005, 09:42 PM
we may and may not see another tyson, but there is no way that we'll see another ali. ali was too great, too fast, and was very funny. a fighter like that is a very rare one, hopefully in the near future we'll see one.

Actually we are probably more likely to see a Ali than a Tyson. With Heavyweights getting bigger and bigger, Tyson is probably the last of the great sall heavyweights under 6 feet.

Dr.Depravity
10-29-2005, 10:22 PM
The birth of Don King for starters. Then when Tyson flaked out and switched trainers, then lost the HW championship. That was the end of an era. Ever since there hasn't been a completely dominant HW.

blockhead
10-30-2005, 12:15 AM
ppv has made boxing less accessable than it used to be. not as many people have the ability to watch so interest has declined. it is very sad considering the power and inspiration that the sport provides to people who struggle. :(

Tha Greatest
10-30-2005, 01:22 AM
$50...
I doubt it will last forever..

Rockin1, TV has been around since like the 1940's hahaha

No way has tv ****ed it up..

PPVS! **** PPVS!

j
10-30-2005, 08:29 PM
i disagree with tv killing boxing as a prominant american sport. long before tv's were invented, people were glued to the radio. alslo, back then they had theater's with video from big fights that raked in a lot of money.

$50 ppv's, however, don't help. don king doesn't help by segmenting the heavyweight division. promoters, politics, and excessive amounts of money have hurt the sport. egotism as well i would add and of course racism.

habZ
10-30-2005, 08:38 PM
crappy promotions to every fight doesnt help.

Dempsey 1919
10-30-2005, 08:55 PM
i believe the confusion about the title is the problem. they need to get rid of every boxing association, except one and use that as the actual claim to the crown. nobody cares about boxing because everybody now claims to be the champion. they need to first clear up that mess.

Verstyle
10-30-2005, 09:11 PM
when tyson left. he was fantastic. but it suxs that boxing is based on the performance of the heavyweights

Rockin'
11-01-2005, 04:55 PM
$50...
I doubt it will last forever..

Rockin1, TV has been around since like the 1940's hahaha

No way has tv ****ed it up..

PPVS! **** PPVS!


Do your research before spouting your opinions. Television killed boxing at the grass roots level.

What person is going to go out and spend his hard earned money on a club show ticket when he can sit home and watch some other fights on the television for free.

No money coming into the club shows at the beginning levels means that there will be less fighters that are able to earn a living, thus depleting the sport of its skilled fighters.

Do some research and i believe you will come to the same conclusion.


Todays sport is hurt by the alphabet f-cks. 4 champions per division or more is not easy for the general public to follow.

Aswell, the promoters have hurt it by not using their stable of fighters against another promoters fighters. They do not want to lose that belt that their fighter may have won. With this comes less superfights and less excitement for the general public.

The promoters and alphabet f-cks hurt it now, but the television is what started boxings decline.

Rockin' :boxing:

BoxingPromoter
11-02-2005, 03:25 PM
As was discussed in previous threads ppv and pay networks like showtime and hbo has contributed to the decline in boxing.

PPV, HBO, and showtime alienate potential new fans to the sport because of several reasons. The first reason is not everyone wants to pay extra on their cable bill for premium channels or pay an excessive $50 just to watch 2-3 championship level fights. Another reason why people cannot watch these fights is because not everyone has a cable box in which to order the stupid ppv.

Finally, my last reason why ppv and HBO are contributing to the decline is that, many sports bars find it unprofitable to order ppv because they are charged a different and more expensive rate than residential users would. Therefore, many sports fans who would otherwise become more interested in boxing do not, because their local sports bar can't afford the ppvs or hbo costs.

Let me give you guys one example before I sign off. I don't have a cable box because its too expensive, so whenever possible I try to go out to a sports bar that sometimes has ppv boxing. So last month I went out to watch the Castillo-Corrales fight and couldn't find one ****ing place in the boston area that was having the fight! If that isn't evidence that ppv is ruining boxing than I don't know what is. :mad: :mad:

Rockin'
11-02-2005, 03:33 PM
If you take a look at the whole picture, not just in the last 30 years since the invention of numerous titles, it was the television that began the decline.

PPV is just a branch from the killing tree.

What we need are more local boxers and shows that the local people can follow as they come up in the ranks. There are so many fighters that will never get exposure or a fair upbringing in the pro game because they are not working under a certain promoter. Fewer promoters= fewer fights= fewer fighters= lesss revenue through the entire sport = us having to pay the ppv price tags to see an excellent match up.

Rockin' :boxing:

BoxingPromoter
11-02-2005, 03:52 PM
If you take a look at the whole picture, not just in the last 30 years since the invention of numerous titles, it was the television that began the decline.

PPV is just a branch from the killing tree.

What we need are more local boxers and shows that the local people can follow as they come up in the ranks. There are so many fighters that will never get exposure or a fair upbringing in the pro game because they are not working under a certain promoter. Fewer promoters= fewer fights= fewer fighters= lesss revenue through the entire sport = us having to pay the ppv price tags to see an excellent match up.

Rockin' :boxing:

I disagree with you on this one Rockin'. Television helped bring boxing to the masses like the radio did before it. I hope now, that you won't say boxing's decline is due to the radio! :p My point about ppv is that, prospective fans do not know about big name fighters like a Floyd Mayweather, Vitali Klitscho, Manny Pacquino,etc. because these guys no longer fight on cable tv networks like fox sports net, espn, telefuturo, etc and almost exclusively fight on ppv or hbo and showtime.

Rockin, I think if these fighters fought on basic cable stations like espn there would be a resurgence in interest in the sport. Just picture this for a minute; Hatton vs Mayweather or Vitali vs Rahman or Corrales vs Castillo on "Friday Night Fights."

Rockin'
11-02-2005, 04:27 PM
In the 30's and 40's boxing was thriving. With clubshows and local talent being developed by the many promoters that worked the area.

Then came the tuesday,thursday and friday night fights on television. While it did bring the boxing to the masses it made people prefer to stay home and watch the fights on the television, thus hurting and eventually killing the local promoters pocketbooks and hurting the depth of the fighters at the grass roots level.

By saying that television helped the sport you are looking at it soley from a fans point of view. When was the last time you heard of a local club show going on in your area. If you are from Boston as your name states, then you would know that Boston was a good place for the local club shows back in the day. Now a days you will never hear of a local club show going on. Ofcourse, unless you are extremely close to the game.

Its cool that you disagree, but I full believe that if you were to do some thorough research on the subject that you will find that it was indeed the television that began boxings decline.

Rockin' :boxing:

bassing68
11-02-2005, 10:51 PM
Read my post about pay per view and the posts about the WBA< WBO,etc.

Boxing's biggest downfalls are too many divisions with too many "champions". Now add pay per view. Would you watch football, baseball, or basketball if the majority of games and best games wewre pay per view and if there were 6 football champions??? Hell no.

The best thing boxing can do is go down to two divisions and put all their fights on cable not pay per view just like all other sucessful sports.

bassing68
11-02-2005, 11:00 PM
Boxings downfall began with the creation of the television and then the many fights that were broadcast during the week.

I know what you are thinking already, tv did not bring about boxings downfall. I watch them on the tube every chance that I get. The television, with the comforts of sitting at home watching killed the local club show.

With the television now showing up to 3 nights of fights on the television in the 1950's the club shows began to take a hit in attendance and gate receipts.

With this, the local fighters began to find it hard to find a place to ply their trade and make a living. The promoters also found it hard to make any money promoting these bouts. But moreover, the general public no longer made pilgrimages to the live bouts opting instead to sit at home and view the bout.

T.V killed the local boxing star!!!!!!

Rockin' :boxing:


How do you figure this??? Baseball, football, basketball, NASCAR are on TV all the time. Have they decreased like boxing? No. There goes your argument. TV keeps the fans informed and allows to follow the sport. You can not follow it too well without it. Too much pay per view, too little TV exposure and too many titles/divisions.

bassing68
11-02-2005, 11:06 PM
You know what. Don't EVEN play the race card here and blame racism. How many white fighters are there? Few. This sport is dominated by "minorities". If anything, racism is reversed here.

bassing68
11-02-2005, 11:14 PM
Do your research before spouting your opinions. Television killed boxing at the grass roots level.

What person is going to go out and spend his hard earned money on a club show ticket when he can sit home and watch some other fights on the television for free.

No money coming into the club shows at the beginning levels means that there will be less fighters that are able to earn a living, thus depleting the sport of its skilled fighters.

Do some research and i believe you will come to the same conclusion.


Todays sport is hurt by the alphabet f-cks. 4 champions per division or more is not easy for the general public to follow.

Aswell, the promoters have hurt it by not using their stable of fighters against another promoters fighters. They do not want to lose that belt that their fighter may have won. With this comes less superfights and less excitement for the general public.

The promoters and alphabet f-cks hurt it now, but the television is what started boxings decline.

Rockin' :boxing:

You ask what person is going to go out and spend his hard earned money on a club ticket when he can watch it on TV. Hmmmmm. Then pray tell, why are football and baseball stadiums, basket ball arenas, and NASCAR grandstands always FULL??? Once again look at all other main sports. Full stands and always on TV and only ONE champion. Hmmm.

Rockin'
11-03-2005, 03:53 PM
Do some research, you will see.

Rockin' :boxing:

legend_killer
11-03-2005, 09:29 PM
i believe the confusion about the title is the problem. they need to get rid of every boxing association, except one and use that as the actual claim to the crown. nobody cares about boxing because everybody now claims to be the champion. they need to first clear up that mess.
This is by far the smartest thing I have seen in this thread. The reason that Ali and Tyson created such interest in boxing was because they became undisputed champions with incredible charisma. Nowadays, you have 4 different heavyweight champions and shifty finishes (ala. Holyfield-Lewis #1). We need a unified champion to bring back the appeal.

Rockin'
11-07-2005, 02:27 PM
The NBA,NHL,MLB all have farm systems to develop their athletes. The minor leagues are to baseball and such as the local town or club fights are to boxing.

Because of the advent of the television and boxings easy airing, (the entire event is contested in a 20x20 ring) it did become very popular with the public. However, the public soon then abandonded the local shows in preference of the television.

By 1952,experts reported that the ranks of professional boxers had been depleted by 50% and town fight nights had been wiped out.


Rockin' :boxing:

Dempsey 1919
11-08-2005, 03:18 PM
how about because now, these boxers suck lol!