View Full Version : After another brilliant performance, is it safe to starting talking of jones as king?


the traveler
09-26-2011, 02:22 PM
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I just watched this entire fight againt he had with Rampage and I was even
more impressed than what he did with Shogun. Jones toyed with heavy hitter Rampage the entire fight sort of like a young Ali did against another heavy hitter in Sonny Liston...

He gracefully danced away from Rampage's strikes with the elegance of a swan, threw strikes with little to no fear of retaliation and even showboated and toyed with Rampage at the end of rounds--once pulling guard for a triange attempt and another time picking Rampage up on his shoulders like an older brother would do to a little brother playing around in their backyard.

After displaying an exhibition on kicking for two rounds he switched to a more pugilistic attack in the 3rd and 4th, battering Rampage with jabs and hooks that were coming from seeminly out of nowhere. In the 4th round he beautifully pushed rampage against the cage from clinch position and secured a rear naked choke on a veteran who has rarely been submitted. He does this as if he has been practicing jui jitsu for years and years.


The question should be asked:
Is, with the talent and skill he has displayed in such a short time doing MMA, Jon Jones the most talented fighter we have seen in mma?

He has outstruck two of the most crafty strikers in his division back to back at the young age of 23, has outwrestled nearly everyone he has faced and has displayed jui jitsu skills. He outmatches everyone in the clinch. I guess the only remaining question is how he does off his back, but I almost feel like him pulling guard against Rampage was mind games for Rashad who is going to be looking to take him down.

'Sugar' Freddi
09-26-2011, 05:02 PM
Rampage is not the same anymore and just like Jones said, he's so predictable. Just a boxer and even as a boxer, swings too much and too slow. I don't think he's the most talented fighter because Anderson Silva is still alive and even when he dies, Jones will not be as good as Silva. I honestly don't see much in Jones except physically gifted and he uses it very well.

F l i c k e r
09-26-2011, 08:22 PM
Does Anderson still exist?

Boxingtech718v2
09-26-2011, 08:33 PM
Rampage is not the same anymore and just like Jones said, he's so predictable. Just a boxer and even as a boxer, swings too much and too slow. I don't think he's the most talented fighter because Anderson Silva is still alive and even when he dies, Jones will not be as good as Silva. I honestly don't see much in Jones except physically gifted and he uses it very well.

The hate is strong with you my son. Although it is too early to crown Jones IMO, until he beats Rashad and Machida, he is clearly a great fighter. Rampage came into this fight in great shape and got tooled. Stop trying to discredit a great performance. Jones still has a long way to go until he matches Silva's record though.

kaps
09-26-2011, 11:01 PM
How about we wait until after he beats more than 1 healthy top ten guy in the weight class?

Dorian
09-26-2011, 11:04 PM
How about we wait until after he beats more than 1 healthy top ten guy in the weight class?

A rematch with Shogun would look exactly the same, KO.

F l i c k e r
09-26-2011, 11:09 PM
How about we wait until after he beats more than 1 healthy top ten guy in the weight class?


lol, who would that guy be? Majority believe Rashad is overrated. I don't but majority people do. Machida can't take a punch. Shogun got home rowed. Hendo I think will look just like Rampage.


I have no clue who can beat him unless Silva moves up.

kaps
09-26-2011, 11:34 PM
lol, who would that guy be? Majority believe Rashad is overrated. I don't but majority people do. Machida can't take a punch. Shogun got home rowed. Hendo I think will look just like Rampage.


I have no clue who can beat him unless Silva moves up.

Not saying any of these guys would beat him. I just think a guy should have to fight more than 1 top ten competitor in the weight class who didn't come off a year lay off and 2 surgerys before we start calling him king...

-Swizzy-
09-27-2011, 12:08 AM
I don't know if it's safe to talk about Jones being King, but it is safe to say that any thread about Jones is gonna have a hate post by kaps, lol.

led
09-27-2011, 07:26 AM
I have no clue who can beat him unless Silva moves up.

Silva is a good at 205, but would he be as great as he is in MW?

the traveler
09-27-2011, 10:41 AM
Rampage is not the same anymore and just like Jones said, he's so predictable. Just a boxer and even as a boxer, swings too much and too slow. I don't think he's the most talented fighter because Anderson Silva is still alive and even when he dies, Jones will not be as good as Silva. I honestly don't see much in Jones except physically gifted and he uses it very well.

Rampage may not be the same but is that necessarily a bad thing? Sure he was explosive and dynamic in Pride, but it's in the UFC that he has had his most success. He just came off a win over Machida, one of the best lhw who will one day be thought off with more regard than most of the other lhw that Rampage fought in Pride. He's consistently been in the top 5 in a division that rivals the one he was in during his Pride years. Fact is Rampage may not be the same fighter but fact is he has been more successful in the ufc than he had been in Pride.

Anderson Silva is extremely talented. I kind of look at this question as far as where he is in his career today. Jon Jones is still a really young cat. He's only 24 and he is already displaying striking defense as good as some of the top in the game--Machida and Silva. Who else has made Rampage and Shogun look so bad striking? Not even Machida could do so.

Jones wrestling is way better than Silva at this point. He's so young and he is already as good as some guys that have been in the game for decades. I think that makes him the most talented.

You can't discount his skills mainly as "physical tools" also. Every athelete has different physical tools. It's mainly about your ability to perform an action that gives you any advantage at all.

The Realist
09-27-2011, 08:32 PM
After one title defense? You're as bad as Joe Rogan in the post-fight interview. I know Joe's only trying to hype the s**t out of him, but he came very close to giving him head.

the traveler
09-28-2011, 12:58 PM
Quantity matters but so does quality. The quality of Jones wins thusfar, expecially his last two wins are worthy of high praise.