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Parody

10-25-2005, 04:09 PM

Julio Cesar Chavez who is considered one of the best ever
Welterweights in boxing history had an Impressive record of
108 wins (87 KO's) and 6 Loses. He was at one time the best
Pound 4 Pound fighter of the world, His most impressive wins were:

Note: (Career records were before they fought Chavez)

Chavez defended his Super featherweight title 9 times but the most
Impressive wins for the WBC Super Featherweight Title were:

Mario Martinez (33-1) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 8
Ruben Castillo (63-4) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 6
Roger Mayweather (21-2) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 2
Francisco Cruz (27-1) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 3

Chavez defended his Lightweight title 3 times but the most
Impressive wins were for the WBA Lightweight title were:

Edwin Rosario (31-2) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 11
Rodolfo Aguilar (21-0) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 6

Chavez defended his Light Welterweight title 16 times but the most
Impressive wins for the WBC/IBF Light Welterweight titles were:

Alberto Cortes (44-0) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 3
Meldrick Taylor (24-0) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 12
Kyung-Duk Ahn (29-1) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 3
John Duplessis (36-1) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 4
Lonnie Smith (29-2) - Chavez wins by UD
Angel Hernandez (37-0) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 5
Hector Camacho (41-1) - Chavez wins by UD
Frankie Mitchell (29-1) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 4
Greg Haugen (32-4) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 5
Terrence Alli (52-7) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 6
Andy Holligan (21-0) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 5
Meldrick Taylor (32-3) - Chavez wins by TKO in Round 8

restless_438

10-25-2005, 04:11 PM

He was one of the best ever..

TheEvilSaint

10-25-2005, 04:12 PM

the noteworthy opponents chavez beat were:
juan laporte
edwin rosario
jose luis ramirez
meldrick taylor
hector camacho
and ivan robinson.

PessimisticPug

10-25-2005, 04:19 PM

In my opinion Chavez was an extraordinarily great Lightweight. He may have been better at jr welter and welter but had aged through his many wars in the ring. I could never say that Chavez was a great welterweight.

Rockin' :boxing:

scap

10-25-2005, 04:20 PM

Parodius

10-25-2005, 04:21 PM

Chavez is overrated, not underrated.

-GBGQ-

10-25-2005, 07:38 PM

Chavez is overrated, not underrated.

Your an idiot.

restless_438

10-25-2005, 07:40 PM

Chavez is overrated, not underrated.

So are the majority of your posts. *****arodius... that flows off the tongue pretty well.

Tha Greatest

10-25-2005, 07:45 PM

Parodius

10-26-2005, 01:24 AM

So are the majority of your posts.LOL, You're full of **** 90% of the time. I'm pretty sure I have 100 times more knowledge about boxing then you have. I will school you any day of the week.

AIR_KENG

10-26-2005, 01:37 AM

Stop flaming each other..:D

Parodious feels Chavez is overrated...
That's his opinion...

Guess what!

LOTS of other people think he's overrated..

So you have no right to call Parodious a idiot because of his opinion.
haha! kinda weird you talked that way dude... if someone trashtalked barrera you would have burst your bubble :D

.::|ULTIMATE|::.

10-26-2005, 01:39 AM

Chavez is underrated and only barely has he gotten some of his just due.

Many people only know the end of his career but never had the privelege to see him fight in his prime. This man was an offensive technician that all fighters could take notes from.

Some people just think he was a brawler but thats the farthest thing from the truth.

The way he would constantly switch his hands inside depending on his position was like he was programmed. He had an awesome lead right hand where he would lean in close the distance and fire it then follow it up with what straight left hand. It was like he went southpaw without switching stance. He was a very smart thinking fighter and any real student of the game can see the brilliance he employed. Thats not even counting his acclaimed left hook. The man was a machine, with a lot of offensive and yes believe it or not defensive wisdom. He just didnt employ it by going back but by coming forward.

AIR_KENG

10-26-2005, 01:47 AM

Versastyle

10-26-2005, 01:47 AM

ppl overrate him cause alot of his fights r padded to make him seem all big and mighty thats why i think some ppl overrate him

hollister

10-26-2005, 01:52 AM

He could also be a very dirty fighter at times.

moy22487

10-26-2005, 02:08 AM

which fighter in all of boxing history did not have at least 10 fights that were no real challenge?

wmute

10-26-2005, 02:43 AM

I think some people overrate him and some underrate him, but that's true for all the greats

Ultimate mentioned his technique, and I can't avoid but agreeing. The rosario fight is an amazing display of it

Let's put it this way:
If you think that his 100 victories don't mean much because his record is seriously padded (and I agree), just suppose he had only 50 fights. Imagine the 1st taylor fight was not stopped (which I think should have been the case), he still destroyed a great fighter and won the rematch big time, suppose the first opponent he cant overcome is a prime whitaker. so what? it took whitaker to be in a ring with chavez without getting hurt? that sounds great to me... he was a GREAT fighter. If someone overlooks him it's because his style is not flashy, he is not a one punch KO artist, or because he has had too many worshipping fans.

Parody

10-29-2005, 08:13 PM

Lets see hear dont get me wrong I love anyone who loves boxing but yesterday you needed feedback on Roy Jones who dominated throughout the 90's because you were really to young to know anything about his prime...

AND...

Today you are proclaiming that Julio Ceasar Chavez (a universally recognized all time great) who's prime took place a decade before Jones's in the 80's is "very underrated"...

How the hell is JC Superstar (the fighter in which most hispanic champions are measure) underrated? Who else do you know that goes on a 10 fight farewell tour 2 decades past his prime?

i THINK ur talking about the other The_Greatest...there are 3 in this forum so u r confused, ive never talked about jones in this forum, although i do like him and think he is a great fighter. anyway..

Slipx

10-29-2005, 10:51 PM

i THINK ur talking about the other The_Greatest...there are 3 in this forum so u r confused,

I think that'd be my queue to get a new name..

blockhead

10-29-2005, 10:57 PM

Chavez is overrated, not underrated.
no way chavez is overrated. his record is at the top of this thread. look at it!

blockhead

10-29-2005, 10:59 PM

So are the majority of your posts. *****arodius... that flows off the tongue pretty well.
haha *****arodius. thats good. :D

Parody

10-30-2005, 12:22 PM

I dont think he gets that much credit for whats hes accomplished..he should get some!

Marcos

11-05-2005, 08:32 PM

To even make a statement saying that JC Chavez was overated just shows your ignorance and hate as a fan of boxing. It's safe to say that you were one of those that never gave Chavez a chance to make it "big time" during his carreer.
The fact is, he did make it big time. He is considered as a legend and one of the best in his era and in boxing.
Think about it, I hate to pull the race card here, but had Chavez been a White American and had accomplished what he had. He would have been bigger than Ali, Leonard, Hearns, anyone!! You know why? Because during Chavez's era times were different. Mexicans fighters received minimal exposure. Today they are getting mass credited for their talent.
Their were many great Mexican champions during the 70's 80's and 90's. Chavez was the best of them. But because the limelight was on what was produced in the US. and Chavez being Mexican and never learning the English language and American way hurt his Marketabilty, but were talking about boxing here( the sweet science) and not Nationalism.
Today we have Morales, Barrerra, Castillo, Delahoya, Marquez, Lariois ect. getting paid big $$$, PPV, acknowledgement as great warriors and as some of the best in boxing today. JC CHAVEZ was better than any of them. He beat the best fighters in his era with a his style that would just cause opponents great pain and damage. There hasn't been a fighter today, that has accomplished what Chavez has. 89-0 at one point of his carreer? Beating Current/future Hall of Famers as Edwin Rosario, Jose Luis Ramirez, Roger Mayweather, and other champions Mario Martinez, Rocky Lockridge, Juan Laporte, Meldrick Taylor, Greg Haugen, Hector Camacho, Frankie Mitchell, Tony Lopez, Joey Gamache, Frankie Randall ect all is un heard of today.
So I ask. How could anyone question his Legendary status?
Let me guess?
you'll try and find a reason to dicredit El Grand Campion Mexicano

BadMagick

11-05-2005, 08:41 PM

Chavez is not underrated. When you're considered one of the greatest 20 or so fighters to ever step in the ring you aren't underrated. It's debatable where his exact position is, but he's far from UNDERrated.

Again, he's considered one of the greatest fighters ever, and every other Mexican fighter is "measured" against him (as stated). How is he UNDERrated? Maybe some people like to criticize him, or his record, but by no means is he underrated. People who know boxing generally agree he's one of the all-time greats.

wmute

11-05-2005, 08:58 PM

My Karma is going to go down again for this, but, as much as I think chavez is an all time great, I also think some ppl overrate him, by looking at his padded and helped record. Still I don't care about them, and the ones who say he is just a brawler (even worse). I just shut my ears to those idiots and watch him fighting taylor or rosario.

As I already wrote in the past he is overrated like marciano, louis, ali, figures who have become mytical, to the point in which hardcore fans just cannot think objectively about them

NAB

11-05-2005, 09:05 PM

With all due respect to JCC, I wouldn't ever mention his ring record as one of the points supporting his 'legend status'.
Hardly anyone would have heard of any of the guys he fought in his first 50, and many of the guys after that were simply padding for his record.
So 89-0 is deceptive. Yes he fought & beat some great fighters, but he may as well have been 2000-0 for the first 3 or 4 years of his career.

Tony Foster

02-21-2006, 12:24 PM

Frankie Randall beat his ass twice and got screwed on time. towards the end Chavez became a dirty fighter, elbowing low blows hitting the hips, plus he got lotsa help from the refs and the judges. Taking nothing away from him early on, the, thats when he was great.

Roberto_Roldan_

02-21-2006, 12:37 PM

I dont think he was underrated at all. I think he get what he deserves. He is allways in the list of top 20 fighters of all times.