View Full Version : How Good could Brock Lesnar have been?


SLIMY RAT
08-30-2011, 09:09 AM
Before he got seriously ill?

Lets be honest this guy was not your typical Human.. he has reached the top in the UFC, WWE and had a decent football career.

He rag dolled his opponents and moved with incredible speed for a guy of 267 pounds. The guy beatdown an experienced vet in Mir in one of his first fights in MMA only to get caught (due to his own inexperience). He later would destroy legends like Couture and Mir with ease and looked unstoppable.. before he got very ill..

Since he came back it's clear that he is not the same he can't seem to take punishment and be struck on the chin like he once did. People act like he is a bit of a joke now.. but if boxers/MMA fighters chins can get worse over time and with age.. surely a life threatening illness could affect it

I am 100% sure Brock in his prime would take Overeem down and pound his face in, Fedor would get worse treatment. It's a shame we will be unlikely to ever see him at his best again

So how good do you believe he could have been? i would say easily a top 5 mma HW

Rip Chudd
08-30-2011, 09:12 AM
Reaching the top of the WWE isn't really a big accomplishment seeing as how it's fake. All you have to do is come up with a good character. He was a huge dude who looked like a beast, instant storyline right there.

MANIAC310
08-30-2011, 09:36 AM
Reaching the top of the WWE isn't really a big accomplishment seeing as how it's fake. All you have to do is come up with a good character. He was a huge dude who looked like a beast, instant storyline right there.

ummm everyone knows WWE is legit

they have athletes like:

http://i53.tinypic.com/23w42tl.jpg

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slideshows/725/slideshow_72501/display_image.jpg?x=341091


http://i55.tinypic.com/2drdjdg.jpg

SLIMY RAT
08-30-2011, 09:39 AM
Reaching the top of the WWE isn't really a big accomplishment seeing as how it's fake. All you have to do is come up with a good character. He was a huge dude who looked like a beast, instant storyline right there.

Yeah but it is very physically hard.. probably more so then UFC/MMA

He never had the heart or chin to make it.



And Kaps(the prick that he is) will delete this post.

I dunno he took shots from Couture/Mir.. but after illness he folds into a little ball after being struck once.

Rip Chudd
08-30-2011, 09:39 AM
ummm everyone knows WWE is legit

they have athletes like:

http://i53.tinypic.com/23w42tl.jpg

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slideshows/725/slideshow_72501/display_image.jpg?x=341091


http://i55.tinypic.com/2drdjdg.jpg
Don't forget your favorite wrestler......

http://images.wikia.com/prowrestling/pt/images/c/c7/Goldust.jpg

Smokin LHook
08-30-2011, 12:13 PM
Still would have lost to Cain. The question should be how good could he have been if he started training MMA at age 15? or something along those lines

Smokin LHook
08-30-2011, 12:16 PM
Yeah but it is very physically hard.. probably more so then UFC/MMA



I dunno he took shots from Couture/Mir.. but after illness he folds into a little ball after being struck once.

What could possibly be harder on your body than being a professional fighter? LOL. Maybe being Nikki Benz and taking huge ****s in your @ss

Gojira
08-30-2011, 12:19 PM
Reaching the top of the WWE isn't really a big accomplishment seeing as how it's fake. All you have to do is come up with a good character. He was a huge dude who looked like a beast, instant storyline right there.

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You dont get to be WWE champion with no wrestling talent.

$BloodyNate$
08-30-2011, 04:06 PM
Not relevant IMO. The better question is how good would he have been if he went straight from his great amateur wrestling days to MMA right after. He would have been sick, a force because he would be young and would have time to develop in all areas.

But now it makes no difference, he was always just a big bully with his speed and powerful wrestling. If he can't overpower you he's just not gonna win unless it's like the Carwin fight where Carwin punched himself out. I'm not sure if Brock could have even beat Tim Sylvia or Arlosvki in the UFC 40's to 60's when they ruled. I think Barnett, Rizzo, Randleman, and younger Coleman would have beat him back in the day too. He just started to late so he can't develop to a great skill level like he could if he started younger. Power only gets you so far.

fitefanSHO
08-30-2011, 04:16 PM
Illness or no illness, he'd still have a terrible chin and he'd still do somersaults into the fetal/turtle position in the cage to avoid punches.

F l i c k e r
08-30-2011, 04:30 PM
lol, you guys are crazy.


Anyways, Brock without the illness wouldn't be any different. His style is to Viking your ass. He's gonna go in all barbarian use his size and strength to bully you, most likely get you to the ground, and then pound it out. That's what he does, those short standing punches that knock people down, that isn't a big part of his game. He still goes for the GnP. He'd be no different. If it wasn't for the illness, he'd probably have more losses because he'd have the same mindset as Kimbo did.


If he went into MMA after his collegiate wrestling campaign. He'd be slightly different. I still believe he'd use his size to bully around but he may be more well rounded and probably more fighting flexible. Cause as it is, dude is really stiff. Hips, shoulders, everywhere.

Spray_resistant
08-30-2011, 06:08 PM
Not very, he has no talent and is just an entertainer/marketing tool.

-Swizzy-
08-30-2011, 08:42 PM
Illness or no illness, he'd still have a terrible chin and he'd still do somersaults into the fetal/turtle position in the cage to avoid punches.

what proof of this do you have? when has Lesnar ever been wobbled?

kaps
08-31-2011, 01:56 AM
what proof of this do you have? when has Lesnar ever been wobbled?

http://h2.abload.de/img/cain-lesnar2fzrq.gif
http://piczasso.com/i/f9lze.gif
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_x6uys1z3-mI/TDAxMSOVzSI/AAAAAAAAAP4/-XIxbWR_Tx0/UFC116-ShaneCarwinWinXBrockLesnar1a-250-sg.gif

F l i c k e r
08-31-2011, 02:22 AM
Cain was bashing him in the back of the head though. Illegal moves.

Jack3d
08-31-2011, 03:04 AM
If he went straight to MMA from his collegiate wrestling days, then maybe he could have done better or at least maybe he could have had more time develop while the sports was still filled with one dimensional fighters.

But eventually he would have run into the same problem that he's ran into already and that is the simple fact that the guy does not like being hit and wilts and folds when he does. Brock's chin is actually fine, it's just his guts and his heart that are in question.

G A M E
08-31-2011, 03:09 AM
to be honest.. these ways a 250+lbs moving at 'Brock' speed and force is normal so im not that impressed with his 'size' etc... its when he gets hit in the face....

G A M E
08-31-2011, 03:11 AM
http://h2.abload.de/img/cain-lesnar2fzrq.gif
http://piczasso.com/i/f9lze.gif
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_x6uys1z3-mI/TDAxMSOVzSI/AAAAAAAAAP4/-XIxbWR_Tx0/UFC116-ShaneCarwinWinXBrockLesnar1a-250-sg.gif

thats got nothing to do with his 'chin'... I think thats got more to do with how he reacts to getting hit

MARKBNLV
08-31-2011, 08:23 AM
Reaching the top of the WWE isn't really a big accomplishment seeing as how it's fake. All you have to do is come up with a good character. He was a huge dude who looked like a beast, instant storyline right there.

Not true at all bro,my buddy wrestles professionally and he works his ass off,dude is 29 and has already had a spinal fusion surgery and multiple concussions and broken bones that are as real as it gets.

SLIMY RAT
08-31-2011, 08:37 AM
All of those clips are after surgery.. can you show me getting hurt and putdown pre surgery?

I think the guy could have been really great if he trained after college for mma..

Also to the other guy.. wrestling is harder on the body then mma imo..

How many ex mma guys do you hear dying? wrestling you get 3 or 4 deaths a year

Money Shot
08-31-2011, 09:33 PM
Imagine of Mariusz Pudzianowski had trained in mma much earlier, its all ifs buts and maybes...

G A M E
09-01-2011, 03:22 AM
Not true at all bro,my buddy wrestles professionally and he works his ass off,dude is 29 and has already had a spinal fusion surgery and multiple concussions and broken bones that are as real as it gets.

wow.. thats pretty young. pro wrestling aint no joke.

Cloud
09-01-2011, 03:55 AM
Prime Brock Lesnar would have been a total monster on the floor. His ground game is one of the best because he's so big but his flaw is the horrible stand up.

If JDS vs. Lesnar would have happened, either Lesnar would take Junior down and hold him there, depending on whether or not Junior's TD defence had improved or the more likely...JDS wrecks Brock with the boxing skills he has.

A prime Brock would have been something to see in the UFC but his stand up will always be his weakness. IMO of course.

-Swizzy-
09-05-2011, 08:59 PM
http://h2.abload.de/img/cain-lesnar2fzrq.gif
http://piczasso.com/i/f9lze.gif
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_x6uys1z3-mI/TDAxMSOVzSI/AAAAAAAAAP4/-XIxbWR_Tx0/UFC116-ShaneCarwinWinXBrockLesnar1a-250-sg.gif

that's not Lesnar being wobbled. That's just Lesnar being a *****.

F l i c k e r
09-05-2011, 09:02 PM
You forgot to add that Cain was using Vitor's tactics.


Rock you -> smash you in the back of the head 30x -> get a win.